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What should I read to get the crash course on feminism? Is such a thing possible?
I'd like to better understand the waves of feminism, contemporary feminism, feministic activism, feminist perspective, leading feminist intellectuals, and any other sphere that would be important for me to best understand feminism on a macrocosmic scale.
>>7257272
Read an introduction to feminism. Then consult the 'suggested readings' list.
Charles Fourier
Josephine Butler, Mary Wollstonecraft
A Room of One's Own- Woolf
The Female Eunuch- Greer
SCUM Manifesto- whatever the crazy lady's name was
The Second Sex- Beauvoir (large, not many feminists have read it, but important)
Gender Trouble- Judith Butler
The Manipulated Man- Vilar
Irigaray
Critiques from the movement itself.
Christina Hoff Sommers - Who stole feminism
TERF (Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminism) The Blog Gender Trender
>>7257299
>Greer
I fucking hate that cunt, it pains me she is an intellectual representative of Australia.
>>7257272
Imagine the things that make you feel potent, like speaking your mind against opposition, being physically strong and seducing women. Now imagine there's a very strong psychological barrier between you and all those actions. Think about how much you would resent someone who spoke his mind, did heroic feats of strength and seduced women right in front of you, every day.
You now understand feminism.
>>7257383
>guaranteed replies
>>7257378
Sorry, I had to try for balance.
Read The Crying of Lot 49
read the sticky
Emma Goldman
>>7257272
feminists want all the female privileges with destruction of the male ones.
my sister's diary tbh
>>7257272
>feminism
Ech, i could never read about such ideology
>>7257633
This image isn't biased at all. These claims it presents are completely objective.
>>7258273
It's a critique of the "male privilege" version. suppose to b ironic m8
>>7257272
Oxford has a "very short introduction" of feminism...
http://ukcatalogue.oup.com/product/9780192805102.do
that can be a good start..but you have to understand the different "waves" of feminism etc to get a hold of it. Its very heterogeneous. don't mind the hate you will be getting here for asking such question.
>>7258287
It's not
>>7258305
whatever then, there's dumb asses on both sides of the spectrum. what a surprise.
>guaranteed replies
I'm impressed with the considerable lack of /pol/ in here. well done /lit/.or maybe I'm just inb4
Feminism: a beginners guide
>>7257272
A biology textbook, Something about evolutionary biology and some background knowledge of Philosophy leading up to Nietzsche.
Feminism is reactionary garbage anyways, I dont know why you would want to learn about it; unless you are some overweight dyke with short neon colored hair...
>>7257272
start with Karen Straughn
>>7258404
evolutionary biology predicts your judgmental pedantry
>>7258309
>objective not taking a side maymay
not taking a side is taking a side
>>7258426
Don't encourage him.
>>7258426
evolutionary biology predicts your oversensitivity
>>7258426
i predict the resemblance of your labiae to roast beef
>>7257272
just paint some words on your tits and run around in public, christmas is coming around so there's always that
best of luck
>>7258426
Doesnt matter, feminism is still full of shit.
Evolutionary biology predicts that woman are the way they are for a purpose, all other complaints on feminisms behalf are ethical/political and therefore relative.
>>7258437
I can see how Darwinian sex selection wrecking havoc on weakling beta guys.
>>7258442
not everything is predetermined , social conditioning has still some room to operate(given it lost a lot of yard in later part of 20th century)
I can't find that evolutionary biology / evolutionary psychology book which says that you should sit on your ass and accept everything just because you know how to sequence genes....
all our political aspiration goes out of the window with this kind of "destiny" induced crack ideas.
Your genes control a lot, but so do your will, and evolutionary biology don't nullify that(infact evolutionary psychology strengthens some stuff)
>>7258470
>feminism is basically the scientology of political movements
What an odd comparison.
There's no central power, there's no official doctrine (in fact it's split up into several "waves"), you don't have to pay to be part of it, it's not centered around one person, etc. pp.
>>7257633
All of this is accurate. Feminism does nothing but reappropriate age old gender stereotypes.
>>7258470
But classical liberalism + ayn rand + hayek etc is hard science in btw. We can test rand's ideas in a petri dish.
http://denisdutton.com/baumeister.htm
>>7258558
like anecdotes > logic
>>7258558
Can't tell if this a joke or not
>>7257272
why would anyone want to waste their time trying to understand an obsolete movement?
>>7259653
It's clearly a joke. But it was probably not meant as one.
>>7260041
It's very obviously a parody of (a) similar graphic.
>>7257633
this tbh
feminism was never about equality
>>7257272
Feminism wants to take away my porn and my video games
>>7260128
We're tired of repeating the same facts over and over again to you fuckwits who refuse to listen.
>>7260132
This is a liberal arts board and I'm still surprised at what passes for facts on /pol/
>>7260132
>facts
boy, you sure have a funny definition of facts
>>7260141
If you aren't reading /pol/ with a grain of salt you're retarded.
The same goes with 4chan, and hell, just reading in general.
>>7260148
>grain of salt
More like an entire salt shaker.
>>7260128
Why is it that liberals prefer to have info-graphs, inane comedy routines and bullshit statistical charts do their talking for them?
The Feminine Mystique was p good imo fam
>>7260261
idk
im not a liberal
>>7257272
>What should I read
This post:
Feminism is a conspiracy by fat, ugly women to make the attractive ones as miserable as they are.
Or:
A way to maximally restrict male sexuality and power while maximally unleash female ones.
Or:
A way to become privileged while whining that you're discriminated.
Two centuries ago it was for civil rights. Today, it's not.
>>7260092
yfw they are all jews
>>7260092
>non-Tumblr tier feminism
>Emma Goldman, Engels, Simone De Beauvoir
This is Tumblr-tier. Especially fucking Beauvoir.
You're all fucking idiots. Have we not learned from our last mistakes? Women are FUCKING SCUM. They are worthless and mean nothing. They are merely holes that we fuck and dispose of our cum. We should be entitled to their bodies, we gave them literally everything and this is how they pay us back? By revolting against us? I say we make murder legal for any feminist who sprouts her propaganda in a public setting. Her death sentence should be choking on the longest and strongest of male cocks. Don't you understand? We should be reading poetry in public and discussing the destruction of religion. Not fucking arguing for these "rights" for these sexual fucking objects. Ugly cunts.
>>7260306
it's literally true
>burg
>man
>gold
>stein
>ack
>>7257272
Feminism is a whole bunch of extra noise people make when (Whether or not they know it) they meant to say "Humanitarianism" or something more along those lines.
1) First wave: This may have started in the middle ages already. A 13th century book the city of women is an example of this. But on a more serious level, this arrived long after the rights of men were established. By the end of the 18th century Wollstonecraft wrote a treatise on human rights applied on women. The wave accelerated during the abolitionist movements. Political rights such as voting rights for women were the focus of this wave. It was a wave of liberal feminism.
2) Second wave: This started with a book by Simone de Beauvoir The Second Sex. She argued that women are often defined of ‘’the other’’ of men, where women are subordinate to men. A famous quote is that you are not born as a woman, but made into a woman. This is distinct from the second wave because equal rights did not stop oppression and discrimination of women, while women had to play by male rules. This wave emphasized difference between men and women rather than similarity. There are two ways in which this difference in explained. De Beauvoir’s view was that this was constructed, while another view was that it is essential (inherent). Female rights in the private sphere were also a focus of this wave, as well as economic rights such as equal pay. Therefore, this is a critical and a constructivist rights.
3) Third wave: A strict difference between males and females was criticised here because this would exclude people which would not fall in either category such as transgender/gays. This wave goes against the ideas of essential differences of the second wave because this may backfire into justifying ideas as to why women should have fewer rights. A postcolonial aspect to this wave is that women realized that between women themselves, as well there are major differences, where the second wave sought to build on female solidarity by pointing to them as a globally oppressed group. Postcolonial feminists pointed to the western emphasis of feminism.
4) Fourth wave: there is a debate whether this exists. A difference between these waves is that the third was very academic, but the fourth was much less so. Women here have a positive view of their sexuality. This view accepts that women are different but also says women are still exploited, and that women may decide themselves what their identity is.
from some old lecture notes to give you an overview
>>7260566
>Anyone who doesn't think women have a leg up in today's society is fucking retarded
i love how people love stating this
but rarely provide any proof outside of "they have no difficulty when looking for sex" and "they have an easier time getting custody" spheres of thought
>>7260609
>rational, non-pol explanation of the Jew's extreme and disproportionate influence on Western society
Culture that values intelligence, rhetorical skill and scholarship, combined with a cutthroat approach to dealing with outsiders and nepotism that gets their voices heard because these people who value scholarship and rhetoric tend to own media outlets and work in academia.
The value put on rhetorical skill means that arguing is a huge part of the culture, and the Jewish equivalent of, beating up your dad is coming up with an argument you know will bother him that he can't outright refute. This is how you get so much interest in oddly radical but not intuitively interesting ideas.
are any of the "red pill" claims about women, ignoring the manner in which they make them, actually wrong?
>>7260633
dont forget the strong emphasis on formal education, as well as the acceptance of academic and cultural career tracks as viable work choices (as opposed to say, the asian-american disdain for working in any area outside the realm of business and government)
>>7260609
jews have a mean IQ of 115 as a group and are especially strong in verbal reasoning. they will always be overrepresented among intellectuals.
>>7260611
Women are getting more degrees and higher degrees than men, while also picking shit tier degrees.
a Ph D in Gender studies isn't equal to a bachelors in physics.
>>7260679
>a Ph D in Gender studies isn't equal to a bachelors in physics
yes, i do so agree. one certifies you as a serious academic in a social science field that isnt the most respectable one, but its still a field, and one is a bachelors degree to a natural science
oh, but did you mean something along the lines of the coursework of one being much heavier than the other? in which case I also agree, PhD students need to produce dissertations that are much longer and take way longer to research than mere undergrads honors theses
>>7260645
>these people who value scholarship and rhetoric tend to own media outlets and work in academia.
>>7260640
There's no unified body of redpillers, so I couldn't say. I think everyone who speaks passionately about such clickbait-friendly issues on the internet tends to oversimplify, and redpill stuff tends to be a little too essentialist for my tastes.
>>7260693
Yeah, because gender studies as a field is completely valid, not a sub-section of sociology, not a field completely fueled by political motives for political means. It also produces so much!
I used to be a rapist, until my gender studies degree, and my professor didn't only enlighten me, but also is a one wyman war machine combating the patriarchy ( More specifically the gender wage gap)
>>7260693
>gender studies
>a legitimate degree
The sole purpose of it's existence is to spread a sickeningly retarded ideology.
>>7260777
We're on a fucking wannabe Japanese garbage meme image board. we aren't academics debating the issue.
You have no thesis, nor a central point for me to dismantle. what do you expect? this is more conversation than discourse
You're the type of autismo sperglord to get into a fistfight in the street and expect some type of gentleman's rules to reign the day.
Structure your arguments like an argument instead of snippy little bullshit remarks from a 17 year old girl, and maybe I'll consider a back and forth.
>>7260792
so you fight ideology with ideology?
>>7260798
>makes retarded point that cant be backed up by evidence
>i answer with evidence that the point is retarded
>decides to build a strawman to get free "amirite?" points
>gets called out on it
>goes on rant, complete with memery
yup, classic idiot. also, what kind of retarded metaphor is that? fistfghts in the street? we dont live in the 19th century anymore boy
but you know, of course youre right, you, random anon with absolutely zero qualifications or even argumentation, and all of academia is wrong. they should revoke every gender studies PhD, they should, on account of your brilliant argumentation!
>>7260792
so? that's like saying sociology after the 20th century or psychology lately arent legitimate degrees
>>7260831
>invited to share his point of view, a thesis or central concepts
>green texts instead
But seriously though, you've never been in a fistfight before?
>>7260844
unimaginative self-deluding anti-fem ideology
>>7260798
this is one of the better burns I've seen on /lit/, but not the best
I'm thinking 7.5/10, the insults are too memey for my preferences, probably an 8/10 if you don't mind that sort of thing
>>7260844
fine by me
you can believe whatever you want, just dont expect other people (especially academics) to go along with it
>>7260850
not a street brawl, no
do soccer riots still happen?
regardless, my point of view is that dissing on gender studies as a an area of study in any other area other than its terrible job prospects or the scorn it attracts from regular people is stupid, because no one in academia is going to agree with you
plus your point about a bachelors in physics being harder than a PhD in gender studies was idiotic. the workload doesnt even compare, even if its an easy area of study
>>7260851
So if I'm opposed to an ideology, I am now part of an ideology? So if I think that, say, socialism is retarded, or that anarcho-capitalism is retarded, then I'm not only now deluded, but my entire worldview is now defined by my opposition to said ideology?
Did you think about this before you typed it or....?
>>7260864
What does the opinion of academics have to do with anything? Academics sanctioning something as being legitimate doesn't make it so. A PhD in Gender Studies has a vested interest in trying to tell me their field is of value, even if there's evidence to the contrary. The opinions of academics do not determine reality.
>>7260875
>So if I'm opposed to an ideology, I am now part of an ideology?
no, but if you're using terms commonly used in an ideological discourse in the same way they are used to dismiss another specific ideology then i feel my assessment is accurate
i don't care about the rest of your post
>>7260886
no one is convinced you even know what gender studies is
>legitimacy is based on reality
wow
>>7260886
except its not just PhDs in gender studies saying their field is of value
its deans, its faculty, its administrators, its sociologists and other academics
so if this massive crowd of learned folk doesnt decide what is and what isnt a valid discipline, then who does?
you?
>>7260893
So the terms
>sickeningly retarded
and
>ideology
Are now a part of deluded anti-feminist discourse? I dunno man, seems like you're prescribing that to them for the sake of your horrible argument.
>>7260857
>sikk burn bro
no need to samefag, we all know no opinions will be changed here
>>7260864
>not a street brawl, no
This gives me mixed feeling about you.
I think your point that "no one in academia is going to agree with you [in that Gender Studies is a bullshit degree / field]" is completely unfounded. Neither of us would have that data on hand, i would think, so I'll leave this as it is as a point that could either way.
regardless, in my line of work, we rely on KPIs (Key performance indicators) to ascertain somethings quality or legitimacy. It would be my idea of breakthroughs in knowledge as the perfect KPI for academics. If you accept this as premise, then you must undoubtedly accept that Gender Studies is a low quality or illegitimate field because of it's lack thereof.
>>7260895
Sociology and gender studies are closely interrelated, to the point of many studies performed by sociologists being incredibly biased in order to conform to their view of reality. The dean, faculty, and administration all have a vested interest in it continuing to be considered a valid "discipline" because they make money from the people that spend their cash on learning the garbage.
It's why some schools teach classes on Harry Potter and Twilight, it's for money. Just because they're educated doesn't mean they're magically immune to corruption.
>>7260897
no you're right i just really wanted to talk to you specifically and i've never ever seen feminism called a 'retarded ideology' at all before. i don't think it's common at all
sorry for engaging you -- i should have known better from how sickeningly good your grasp is of the english language
>>7260904
Quick print screen to prove it wasn't me
>>7260911
>being incredibly biased in order to conform to their view of reality
the irony
>>7260914
So you've only heard the terms "retarded ideology" in regards to feminism? Really?
How long have you been on the internet? Two, days or three?
>>7260919
Man, I wish I could shitpost with such confidence and wit.
>>7260920
>So you've only heard the terms "retarded ideology" in regards to feminism? Really?
no and this isn't even relevant. you were calling feminism a 'retarded ideology'
i hope in one post you'll manage not to embarrass yourself by not launching into some personal attack based on false premises
>>7260925
you just did! congrats man
>>7260904
also, if you want to call someone out for samefagging, you should link all the posts that you think are samefagging, that way, it provides better context and an easier debunk.
I know, learning how to use 4chan is hard, but you'll get it eventually
>>7260909
and what would be KPIs for a social science field? because as much as we'd all like to have breakthroughs in a field like economics (my field), most of the work done is incremental in nature, not disruptive. no one questions the legitimacy or (most of) the output of it
i dont accept the premise that gender studies is a low quality field a priori, and in my experience gender studies doctorate students while not terribly brilliant or productive had work to do, things to articulate, and their own research to conduct
>>7260911
yeah, this is just unjustified cynicism
if it wasnt a viable area of study, universities wouldnt have accredited programs for it. i refuse to believe tens thousands of completely disparate institutions worldwide would just engage in a scheme like this, especially considering how most of them are very well-funded just through regular disciplines
>>7260935
>le helpful oldfage
heres your reply
>>7260931
Then what was the point of your post? You claimed I was a part of an ideology, I asked how, and you said it was because I used the terms of an ideology to fight one. I looked at my post, and the terms I used against it were "sickeningly retarded".
So which is it? Am I a part of an ideology because I oppose feminism, or is it because you just say I am? Because so far you've offered no concrete reason as to how any words within my post would place me into the "unimaginative self-deluding anti-fem ideology".
>>7260946
>no, but if you're using terms commonly used in an ideological discourse in the same way they are used to dismiss another specific ideology then i feel my assessment is accurate
maybe you should learn to read
>>7260940
I doubt it started that way. I'm sure when it began there were good reasons for having it around, the study of women's place in history, for example, was pretty much completely investigated prior to the formation of gender studies as a field. As it stands now though, it's pretty much a giant pyramid scheme where the only people that lose out are the students that get indoctrinated with this shit. At this point, it's pretty much cancerous.
>>7260964
>the study of women's place in history, for example, was pretty much completely investigated prior to the formation of gender studies as a field.
big call
completely uninvestigated*
>>7260964
how exactly is it indoctrination anyway?
>>7260964
>As it stands now though, it's pretty much a giant pyramid scheme where the only people that lose out are the students that get indoctrinated with this shit. At this point, it's pretty much cancerous.
yeah, i'd rather take the orthodox opinion on this one, rather than the vague calls of a "pyramid scheme" from some random in the internet, if you dont mind
>>7260940
I told you what I thought would be a good KPI of all academia. did you not catch the last sentence of my post?
Pick your own KPI, odds are, it will either prove my point or not be a true KPI. Ball's in your court. Tell me, what proves gender studies as a legitimate course of study?
If economics is your coin, you must know that your anecdotal evidence is moot.
Nearly everyone has work to do, things to articulate, and their own research to conduct, It doesn't mean that they serve a legitimate master.
>>7260980
do you think society just doesn't pay any attention to gender at all except for gender studies majors?
>>7260964
Anthropology or history would have sufficed.
Gender Studies is just a manifestation of a toxic ideology strong arming its way into a pseudo-academic field. The true irony is that the Gender Studies departments are always anti-western and free speech.
>>7260980
my point was that assigning the same performance indicators for say, a physics department and an economics department would be stupid (as such, a "KPI for academia" would be silly)
unless of course you went by sheer amount of work done (i.e.: papers published), which you dont seem to accept as valid. fair enough
then we can argue for impact on the ways of thinking of society as a whole. inarguable that gender studies has had a very tangible impact on ways of thinking about gender, and its relation to all sorts of things such as anthropology, history, deviancy, and so forth
what other benchmark can we use? how much we agree with it? if that were the case, i'd be mixed, you'd be against it, which sounds like a seriously shitty benchmark, one that allows such width of interpretation
>economics is your coin
what?
>>7260978
Go ahead.
>>7260977
It makes unfalsifiable claims of mass sexism ingrained in the systems of western society, it gives people moral justification to censor, it bases it's conclusions on assumptions instead of arguments, statistics, or any kind of reasoning in general, deductive of inductive. The worst thing about is that it's intellectually dishonest and incites hatred towards anything that isn't a part of it, and silences anyone-including women-who disagree with it.
I wouldn't disagree with feminism so vehemently if it's practitioners at least sought out debate to show that their claims were valid, but they don't, cause they know they don't have to to get the idiots who bought the shit hook, line, and sinker to keep giving them money, via books purchases, donations, and purchase of merchandise.
>>7260986
What the fuck do you mean "society"?
because the beauty of capitalism as an equalizing force is that it doesn't care your race color gender or creed, it just wants you to work and spend money.
Why is it evil to acknowledge gender? Why is it wrong to cater to a market? why is it wrong to sell products to women that women would prefer over men?
Post your shitty gotcha questions elsewhere
>>7261012
>It makes unfalsifiable claims of mass sexism ingrained in the systems of western society, it gives people moral justification to censor, it bases it's conclusions on assumptions instead of arguments, statistics, or any kind of reasoning in general, deductive of inductive. The worst thing about is that it's intellectually dishonest and incites hatred towards anything that isn't a part of it, and silences anyone-including women-who disagree with it.
seems like you're talking about ess-jay-double u's rather than gender studies as a field of study
>>7261000
You're probably right, but I doubt it started as being anywhere near as toxic as it currently is.
>>7261000
gender studies is more inter-disciplinary than anth or hist
what is ideological about it? also they're not really anti-western or anti-free speech either. you could potentially say they are if you completely mishandle the terms or have some uninformed view of what they do
>>7261012
but you're making unfalsifiable claims about gender studies, so what do i believe?
you're going to need hard evidence of this instead of some crafty narrative
>>7261017
it doesn't really matter what i mean by society, because it is hard to imagine any definition of the word without including gender. i meant it in relation to whatever you thought society was. the point is that gender is very much ingrained in whatever we want to call society, so it is fitting and 'legitimate' that there is study on how it manifests and what we can learn about ourselves from this
also i don't see the point in asking me what i meant about society and then immediately jumping into a talk on 'capitalism' like it's even easier to define
>Why is it evil to acknowledge gender?
why is it evil to study it?
i'm not sure you're arguing what you should be arguing
>>7261010
>>economics is your coin
>what?
It's a colloquial term, meaning your proficiency mastery. akin to "having one's ducks in a row" means to be well prepared.
There must be some way to compare academic departments in between each other. Why is Notre Dame's philosophy department better than bumfuck-U? If you don't think there is any, then I'm starting my own academic department, the department of shitposts at the online unregistered college of 4chan. here's your honorary doctorate
But seriously though, post some KPIs, any benchmark that proves the worth of that useless field. because I cant find any.
>>7261045
The bottom line is Gender studies is a sham.
If it were truly about what it claimed to be about it would be a sub section of sociology.
Now, here's when the /pol/acks come in but it all stems from the Frankfurt school.
>>7261056
but like i said before it is more interdisciplinary than to be just a part of 'sociology'. if gender studies is a sham then gender is a sham. i find it funny that the academic study of gender makes people uncomfortable, like something is being exposed
>>7261021
http://time.com/179/men-are-obsolete/
http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/22913/
http://chronicle.com/article/The-End-of-Male-Supremacy/228769?cid=trend_right_wc
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/07/anti-feminist-women-hobby-lobby-decision-great
http://www.radfemcollective.org/news/2015/9/7/an-interview-with-julie-bindel
Feminist academics and journalists wrote and said all of these things. There's far more than the ones I've gathered here, too. Here's a choice quote of these:
>will heterosexuality survive women’s liberation?
It won’t, not unless men get their act together, have their power taken from them and behave themselves. I mean, I would actually put them all in some kind of camp where they can all drive around in quad bikes, or bicycles, or white vans. I would give them a choice of vehicles to drive around with, give them no porn, they wouldn’t be able to fight – we would have wardens, of course! Women who want to see their sons or male loved ones would be able to go and visit, or take them out like a library book, and then bring them back.
I hope heterosexuality doesn’t survive, actually. I would like to see a truce on heterosexuality. I would like an amnesty on heterosexuality until we have sorted ourselves out. Because under patriarchy it’s shit.
>>7261031
Nothing I've said is unfalsifaible, actually read and analyze feminist arguments instead of repeating what I say back to me as if it's some kind of witty retort.
>>7261048
>There must be some way to compare academic departments in between each other. Why is Notre Dame's philosophy department better than bumfuck-U? If you don't think there is any, then I'm starting my own academic department, the department of shitposts at the online unregistered college of 4chan
college rankings generally, which are an arcane mix of fame, test scores of students, workload, career prospects, and some other things which arent explained. also, accreditation, thats a big thing too
regardless, youre the one that came up with the KPI thing, burden is on your end as far as i reckon, because as it stands, the orthodox opinion is that the field isn't useless. it's funded, it's accredited, it's graduating tens of thousands of people from tens of thousands of colleges every year
youre the one with the dissenting opinion, its on your end to prove why it's "useless"
>>7261066
you copy/pasted from the wrong text file son. this is about gender studies not feminist clickbait
>>7261024
So it's an inter-disciplinary discipline?
Damn, you got me there, I don't even know what to say about levels of retardation this high. I need some motherfucking RAD-X and purified water because your retardation is irradiating from my screen at levels that hurts my brain to read.
>>7257272
Don't.
>>7261066
>Nothing I've said is unfalsifaible, actually read and analyze feminist arguments instead of repeating what I say back to me as if it's some kind of witty retort.
Unicorns are also unfalsifiable. if you assert something prove it.
>>7261066
post some academic articles if you will, helps make your case a bit more persuasive
otherwise, i could pass an article by some avowed crazy gold bug as representative of the wider consensus of economists, misrepresentation at its finest
>>7261074
cop-out
>>7261074
>I need some motherfucking RAD-X and purified water because your retardation is irradiating from my screen at levels that hurts my brain to read.
>video game references
the average anti-feminist everyone
>>7258404
another tragic misreading of genealogical method. oh well. masters need their reactionary slaves.
>>7261065
>if gender studies is a sham,gender is a sham
What a completely retarded argument. If I create a field called brick physics, and then with no academic rigor on my part claim that all mechanical processes are based on tiny men banging bricks together on a subatomic level, then that doesn't mean the study of physics is a sham. It means my retarded analysis and lack of intelligent analysis that makes it a sham. I'm absolutely certain that another incarnation of gender studies could contribute something of cultural worth, but this one cannot.
>i find it funny that the academic study of gender makes people uncomfortable, like something is being exposed.
>retarded reasoning and blanket statements of misandry make people uncomfortable, therefore they're onto something!
Christ.
>>7261101
>I'm absolutely certain that another incarnation of gender studies could contribute something of cultural worth, but this one cannot.
okay then, what are you so upset about regarding it then? what is so systematically wrong with gender studies that you think the whole establishment should be torn down? with citations, of course, wouldnt want to critique something that you know nothing about
>>7261101
i find it funny that you're talking about a supposed lack of academic rigour but you make all these claims about gender studies without any shred of evidence backing any of it up. you're conflating tumblr sjws with an academic discipline and this is where you are fucking up.
if you think gender studies is basically only concerned with misandry then you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
>>7261083
Every single one of those people I linked to had a degree of a bachelors at the bare minimum, many of them higher. You'd know that if you'd bother to link to them, but I'm not going to waste my time displaying the obvious to you, you can do your own research.
>>7257272
Fuck saw a pic by shadman of some girls beibg fucked by horses now the first thing to come to mind after seeing that pic was that she was going to fuck the wolf.
What do /lit/?
>>7261089
>videogame references
Allow me to remind you of 4chan's history.
This is website is a shameless ripoff of a Japanese forum mainly used to discuss Anime and video games.
This website was moot's sandbox for videogame discussion and other dumb interests.
You are an idiot. You just walked into a desert and complained about the sand.
>>7261118
so you're judging the inner workings of a field of study based on a select handful of inflammatory articles? are you hoping the audacity of these women to say some things that could possibly be controversial will speak for itself, or do you actually want to 'read and analyse feminist arguments' instead so you can demonstrate how they're doing something wrong?
you're a fucking fraud dude. you're more fraudulent than you claim (your conception of 'gender studies') to be
>>7261133
a bloo bloo
i forgot to mention it wasnt just a video game reference, but a shit video game reference, and the fact that you so rabidly defend such a shit display speaks volumes about you
>>7261120
I came here to awoo at you
>>7261118
hanna rosin apparently studied comparative literature at stanford, not gender studies
are the rest of your examples this bad or am i in for a surprise?
>>7261152
Those scars are strangely arousing
>>7261140
NV was a good game, the originals were good games. 3 was meh.
It's nice that you conveniently move those goalposts whenever you want. even on your shit posts. I commend you on the art of your craft
You have adequately proven to me that not only are you a severely impaired mentally deficient shitposter, but you also have garbage taste
>>7261174
i didn't know shitposting could be this generic
>>7260611
Alice Eagly did a study where the most common gender stereotype is the "women are wonderful" stereotype. With the caveat that it manifests more in women who are perceived as "motherly" IIRC
>>7261230
all this is completely true and you'd have to be delusional to deny it. women are much more privileged than men.
>>7260609
By living inside a culture that's not their own, while retaining their own identity, they can reap the benefits without being bound to the same culture; the same thing happened to the Irish, who are extremely prominent in English lit, considering Great Britain outnumbers them 10 to 1. Same reason why most artists tend to be abnormal in someway; the isolation from the rest of society helps them see better.
Either that or natural selection made them smart during the middle ages.
>>7257633
>Don't want an expensive wedding ceremony
>Male: YOU'RE FUCKED
Is... is this a thing?
>>7261826
yes, unless the girl is far poorer than the man and accepts that what is a mediocre wedding according to the man is already a fancy one according to her.
Take the communist manifesto replace every instance of proletariat with women and bourgesoise with men.
and then throw it in the trash.
it is intellectual poison.
>>7261933
One is class-based the other is identitarian.
Kill yourself
>>7261933
Sheeit /pol/yp at least pretend to not read books in your own board.
>>7261944
how does modern feminism not appropriate the same dynamic from marxism?
>>7261961
The former is idealist while the latter is materialist
i love how the only responses on this thread are snide passive aggressive quips accusing dissenters of being beta permavirgins.. on 4chan... the reason feminists always resort to this defence is that heterosexual women have fundamentally anti-feminist needs. You all want to be held down and fucked by the chad of your dreams. You could have been genuinely intellectual in another field yet your crippling insecurity about being inferior meant that it was always an easier option to opt for something softer like feminism, while blaming men and the patriarchy for bringing you down, while you take for granted the world men have built. Being a member of the most protected and safe demographic in human history has left you a bitter, unhappy and selfish moron with no desire for genuine self actualisation, preferring to bitch about manspreading on a phone your dad probably bought for you, a phone a man invented, designed and most likely built. Luckily i don't live in America where this kind of shit is the worst, i just feel slightly sorry for feminists.
>>7261965
that doesn't negate my point, it's just pedantic hair splitting.
>>7257272
>women can be understood
>women's bullshit movements can be understood
No hope.
>>7261970
There's a huge difference. What a moron you are.
>>7261977
only to autists who can't see forest from trees.
feminism is ideological autism.
>>7261970
Your "argument" is replacing definitions in your logic I can replace proletariat with men and the bourgeois with women. Because they have the same "dynamic" don't they... which is still unclear. Are you so blind to see this not an argument it's down right changing definitions.
>>7261982
Marxism and feminism don't have the same "dynamic" at all, you inbred idiot.
>>7260918
>unity
You've just proven beyond a shadow if a doubt that you have no intelligent thoughts about anything.
>>7261986
yes they do you lazy hacks.
Come up with your own original ideas.
Oh wait that traits is almost entirely found on the Y Chromosome.
>>7261997
What dynamic? Unless you start bringing an actual argument in how Marxism and Feminism are related it is safe to say you are intellectual vacant on the matter.
>>7262010
I think it's a frog-person
>>7262010
engel's p much explained the intersection in origins of family, state and property, which has since been integrated into modern feminism.
>>7262019
Show me how a materialists analysis has been adopted by identitarian feminists. Go ahead I'm not going anywhere.
>>7262031
it is bridged by cultural materialism
>>7262031
and don't just say "they just did" or "it's evident"
>>7262036
there's a contradiction in terms.
>>7262045
lose weight.
>>7261968
>>7262046
get laid
>>7262051
is this /r9k/ 'discourse'?
>>7262052
been there done that.
how does it feel that chad will never notice you?
>>7262036
Can you answer me honestly and say that you have read anything on the subject. There is literally nothing relating this to feminism also this was theorized in 1969 well after the origins of modern feminism.
>>7262059
>Chad
Oh dear, are you going to start talking about roastbeef next?
>>7262069
chad is a stand in for the alpha male attention feminists never earn because they're too busy pursuing a piss-poor mating strategy.
>>7262073
Yeah, they should pick the anime-watching and videogame playing adult neckbeard who browses /r9k/.
How do we redpill them, m8?
>>7262081
I'd rather just drink and invest in cat food companies for when their ovaries get dead and unused like the few authors posted here. Feminism is just a way for eggless spinsters to sabotage fertile women.
>>7262081
if you want chad so badly why not just abide by cultural norms, chad isn't impressed by your knowledge of Greer or Dworkin
>>7262096
>>7262100
yes, this is chad
>>7262090
I'm sure they'll be devastated to hear that :^)
>>>7262100
"Projection of general guilt: Projection of a severe conscience is another form of defence, one which may be linked to the making of false accusations, personal or political."
hmm now where's my mattress
>>7262096
For you frog-people Chad is just a guy who is more attractive than you right? Someone who doesn't piss into bottles and isn't filled with ressentiment? If so, I think I'll do just fine.
>>7262112
>ressentiment
feminism is really the ideology for you
>>7262119
I'm not a feminist
>>7262112
you're assuming i resent other men in the same way you resent other women, for engaging with men without the emotional crutch of feminism, believing you're morally superior and faultless, constantly wronged by the men around you. /r9k/ spergs and sad feminists are two sides of the same coin
>>7262126
at least frogposters has no delusions about themselves
>>7262126
Please tell the class what Feminist literature you have read.
>>7262130
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>7262131
I met a girl on tinder whom was part of an art group that "exposed the sexism in art through the lens of 3rd wave feminism". Not being a cunt and jumping to conclusions, I asked her what was some good feminist literature and she went silent. The majority are just band wagoners whom have read a few articles and think they know what they're talking about.
>>7262133
they at least self-aware that they are autistic, feminists retain that blind spot for the sake of ego
>>7262136
So none so get the fuck out of this thread.
>>7262141
I'm not that guy you responded to bruh.
>>7257378
You shouldn't begrudge her. Australia already has so little intellectual representation to choose from.
>>7262137
They think they deserve girlfriends for fuck's suck
>>7262152
and feminist think being wagecucks is liberation
>>7262152
its kind of amusing you have an emotional reaction to that, it's as if you're scared you wont be able to attach yourself to a man above you and will sink down to those mating options
>>7262165
Yeah, we can agree that they're capitalist cucks
>>7262169
>as if you're scared you wont be able to attach yourself to a man above you and will sink down to those mating options
Surely that is the most terrifying scenario imaginable. I'd much prefer death than to spread my legs for an eggman-tier male in all honesty. One does have standards after all.
>>7262173
so what's the solution? Literally all the feminist victories benefit them. a biodetermined feminism i would not mind much, but it requires dismantling the current LARP as a man paradigm.
>>7262186
socialist non-identitarian feminism
>>7262192
and what is that in reality and not just a theoretical word salad your professors taught you
>>7262198
I don't have any socialist professors. You do know how to operate google, don't you? Has your professors not taught you that?
>>7262203
it does not provide an adequate explanation of how it works in the day to day
>>7262193
http://orwell.ru/library/reviews/chase/english/e_bland
>>7257272
>feminist intellectuals
Question: If women are equal to men, then why aren't they?
Checkmate women.
>>7260312
Most of the posters on /leftypol/ don't know jack about what they're talking about
t. /leftypol/
Every time we have a thread like this it shows the true size of the female population of /lit/. That or there are a lot of people who are really sensitive about the fact that SHOCK SHOCK on a website for Chinese cartoons on a board talking about books from thousands of years ago might have some people who are little socially inept.
>>7260128
Reduces cognitive loads and makes sure that some of the pestilent commie critical thinking thing doesn't manifest.
>>7262090
such redpill
hope you enjoy wasting your lives LARPing about a shitty ideology.
>>7260738
>thinking knowledge is only worthwhile if it can be applied for earthly gains and benefits.
You fucking sophist.
Joking aside, there's nothing wrong with studying gender and how it affects modern society, in fact that's a rather interesting pursuit of knowledge.
The issue is the growing trend that the people who enjoy gender studies believe their degree has more earthly impact and application than, say, a bachelor in Physics.
It's a disconnect, they want to study what they love without any downside (which is generally economic). And the refusal to accept downsides it what gives them the common perception of child-like.
>>7261968
>FEMINISM IS BAD YOU GUISE, ITS TOXIC IDEOLOGY, WAHH, STOP LEARNING IT, FUCKING WOMYN
>why?
>BECAUSE I SAY SO FUCKING FEMINIST ULTRA MEGA CUCK, EVERYTHING WORTHWHILE WAS MADE BY MAN, GENDER STUDIES IS A PYRAMID SCHEME, YOU ARE ALL MORONS, I HOLD THE LIGHT, I'M SO SORRY FOR YOU
>okay
every anti-fem argument in a nutshell
>>7263507
and what pro-feminist defenses are superior in any manner other than by consensus?
>>7263520
none really, but there's very little need to defend what isn't effectively attacked
>>7263522
you're moving goalposts.
It makes women waste their fertile years and sabotages their happiness over spooks.
It has gone full-circle into its own form of bigotry and it is entirely reasonable to loathe bigotry under any label it takes. Unless you want to do something about your hostile bigots, feminism will share the same flaws islam does.
BTW, islam is a great metric of feminist gauging since anyone who defends it clearly is an ignoramus.
>>7263529
i see a lot of unfalsifiable statements, buzzwords, and a complete lack of evidence
bravo, youre well on your way to showing everyone that feminism is a lie because you say so
>>7263542
Nobody needs to debunk what feminists say, they contradict themselves constantly. Doublethink is the nature of their ideology.
>>7263542
pot meet kettle
it's pointless talking feminism as women never admit they are wrong and don't want their hugbox impaired
>>7260261
Can't find a source for these quotes. Probably fake.
>>7263579
except you know /pol/acks at least make attempts towards empiricism
>>7263586
nice meme
no seriously, nice meme
>>7263595
>nice meme
debate won
>>7263595
so what data to feminists have?
hardmode; NO FEELS
the wage gap has been discredited so many times it's not even funny
>>7263605
you have no argument and you're not afraid to show it
>>7263601
>the wage gap has been discredited so many times it's not even funny
hint: infographs dont discredit anything, as much as you'd think otherwise
>>7263599
this isnt even a debate, it's a statement of fact. the level to which anti-feminists have sunk is just amazing. it used to be a legitimate movement criticizing the excesses of the second wave of feminists and groupthink in academia, but now its all about "muh male feelings"
>>7263619
plenty of neutral sources has debunked this, stop trying to pigeonhole anyone who disagrees as committing ideological heresy. How is this any better than a religion/cult?
>>7263627
>neutral sources
give me an article on somewhere reputable like jstor to read then, that patently says "the gender gap is caused by women picking lower-earning majors" or something to that effect
>>7263615
you're free to continue your anti-woman crusade in a non literature only board.
>>7263639
no one is more anti-women than other women.
a misogynist is just a man who hate women as much as they hate eachother.
you can be anti-fem and pro women those are not mutually exclusive positions despite what your propaganda tells you.
>>7263645
very interesting.
i'm sure /pol/ would love to listen to your opinion.
>>7263636
no you're a smart womyn who can do her own research, we didn't let you into universities if you couldn't do your own research.
but considering how many women get raped there, maybe letting you all attend was a mistake.
Is feminism the epitome of slave morality?
>>7263686
marxism is but feminism is closing in
>>7263686
is shitposting on 4chin the epitome of master morality?
>>7263686
no, that would be post-Reagan conservatism
>>7263691
>muh right wing boogeyman
cmon at least people who scapegoat jews have more credence than you
>>7263696
no, they dont and we both know that
>>7263691
how? dismantling welfare programs and peddling pull yourself by the bootstrap, you can do it memes seems pretty "master" (and stupid)
>>7263698
that is my point. Scapegoating men and the right manages to be EVEN MORE demented than faulting der juden.
