There's an estimated 15,500 transgender personnel in the United States Armed Forces currently serving in silence.
Odds are at least a couple of you are on /lgbt/ right about now.
Here, have some info.
The exact orders banning transgender service:
Department of Defense
INSTRUCTION NUMBER 6130.03
April 28, 2010
Incorporating Change 1, September 13, 2011
SUBJECT: Medical Standards for Appointment, Enlistment, or Induction in the Military
Services
ENCLOSURE 4
MEDICAL STANDARDS FOR APPOINTMENT, ENLISTMENT, OR INDUCTION
14. FEMALE GENITALIA
f. History of major abnormalities or defects of the genitalia
including but not limited to change of sex (P64.5) (CPT 55970, 55980), hermaphroditism, pseudohermaphroditism, or pure gonadal dysgenesis (752.7).
15. MALE GENITALIA
r. History of major abnormalities or defects of the genitalia such as change of sex (P64.5)
(CPT 55970, 55980), hermaphroditism, pseudohermaphroditism, or pure gonadal dysgenesis
(752.7).
29. LEARNING, PSYCHIATRIC, AND BEHAVIORAL
r. Current or history of psychosexual conditions (302), including but not limited to transsexualism, exhibitionism, transvestism, voyeurism, and other paraphilias.
http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/613003p.pdf
>>6072112
Why join if you know that joining as a tranny is against the rules?
Making it harder to get discharged for being trans
Navy, Marine Corps raise authority for trans separations
Lt. Cmdr. Ed Early, a Navy spokesperson, confirmed on Thursday the change for both military services to the Washington Blade and said it took effect Wednesday.
“Effective immediately, separations of Navy and Marine Corps personnel with a diagnosis or history of gender dysphoria, who identify themselves as transgender, or who have taken steps to externalize the condition must be forwarded to the Assistant Secretary of the Navy for Manpower and Reserve Affairs for decision,” Early said.
...
The Navy Department can alter the policy for both the Navy and the Marine Corps because the civilian leadership has jurisdiction over both military services.
http://www.washingtonblade.com/2015/07/02/navy-marine-corps-raise-authority-for-trans-separations/
Positive words from the Secretary of Defence
Remarks by Secretary Carter at a Troop Event in Kandahar, Afghanistan
Press Operations
Secretary of Defense Ash Carter
February 22, 2015
Q: Mr. Secretary, thank you so much for being here. I'm Lieutenant Commander Jesse Ehrenfeld. It means the world to me that in your first week on the job you came to spend the time with us, to thank us for what we're doing, so that -- I just want to thank you for that. Quick question for you: What are your thoughts on transgender service members serving in an austere environment like this here in Kandahar?
SEC. CARTER: I come at that from a fundamental starting point. It's not something I've studied a lot since I became secretary of defense. But I come at this kind of question from a fundamental starting point, which is that we want to make our conditions and experience of service as attractive as possible to our best people in our country.
And I'm very open-minded about -- otherwise about what their personal lives and proclivities are, provided they can do what we need them to do for us. That's the important criteria. Are they going to be excellent service members?
And I don't think anything but their suitability for service should preclude them.
http://www.defense.gov/News/News-Transcripts/Transcript-View/Article/607016
White house shows their support
White House Expresses Support for Transgender Military Service
SPARTA Renews Call for a Comprehensive, Department-Wide Review
Washington, DC – One day after Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter indicated support for ending the Defense Department’s de facto ban on transgender military service, the White House expressed agreement in a statement from White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest. Speaking to reporters at a White House briefing, Earnest said, “The President agrees with the sentiment that all Americans who are qualified to serve should be able to serve, and for that reason, we here at the White House welcome the comments of the Secretary of Defense.” Carter had responded to a question about DoD’s policy barring transgender individuals from military service by saying, “I don’t think anything but their suitability for service should preclude them [from serving].”
"To those familiar with how the military chain of command works, the Commander-in-Chief's intent could not be clearer,” said Allyson Robinson, former Army captain and SPARTA Director of Policy. “President Obama has done more to ensure transgender Americans are treated fairly and with respect than all those who've previously held the office combined. Good subordinate leaders take their commander's intent and execute – they get the job done. That's what SPARTA's transgender members, their commanders, and their families are looking to Secretary Carter to do now. It’s time to change this policy."
http://www.spartapride.org/white_house_expresses_support_for_transgender_military_service
Army on the ban
Army eases ban on transgender soldiers
WASHINGTON — The Army issued a directive Friday that protects transgender soldiers from being dismissed by mid-level officers by requiring the decision for discharge to be made by the service's top civilian for personnel matters.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/03/06/transgender-troops-chelsea-manning/24512731/
Air Force on the ban
Transgender airman buoyed by new Air Force policy
Now the Air Force has taken a step closer to allowing transgender airmen to serve openly by requiring a higher authority to approve discharges for enlisted airmen diagnosed with gender dysphoria or who identify as transgender.
http://www.airforcetimes.com/story/military/2015/06/05/transgender-airman-praises-policy/28554781/
And finally, next month is hope.
Military transgender ban set to end next May
WASHINGTON — The Pentagon’s ban on transgender troops would end May 27 under a draft timeline on repeal of the policy that affects about 12,000 troops, according to a document obtained by USA TODAY.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/08/25/military-transgender-ban-set-end-next-may/32345385/
>>6072115
This explains why so many trans people join the military.
Transgender troops policy change raises many questions
When Dwayne Villanueva joined the Army at 17, he thought it would help to overcome his nagging desire to become a woman.
“It’s a hypermasculine environment and I thought that by joining the military it would make me more masculine,” Villanueva recalled in a recent interview. “I thought joining the military would help suppress those feelings or take them away, as far as wanting to be a female.
http://www.navytimes.com/story/military/pentagon/2015/07/18/transgender-troops-policy-change-raises-many-questions/30256249/
>>6072112
Shut up, you fucking moron. That shit has been slated to end since last year. Yeah, just what it needed more mentally fucked up people in uniform.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/08/25/military-transgender-ban-set-end-next-may/32345385/
>>6072112
Chair force tranny here,
;-;
;-;
;-;
>>6073131
It's okay we forgive you.
Are you open about it?
>>6073131
Wait you're not Logan are you?
>>6073362
So they're making you pay for hrt? I thought that it should have been covered like any other medication.
I'm a LCPL in the Marines, waiting till the DOD order's ended to start trying to get hrt for myself.
>>6073392
They aren't making me, I just went and did it myself a little over 2 years ago because i couldn't wait anymore. Didn't tell anyone about it until the time when they stopled giving us the boot for being trans. I know quite a few of us on HRT in the military, actually
>>6073410
Gotcha. So are you going to try getting it on your insurance soon?
And the most I've met so far is a few girls who were bisexual, never met anyone trans.
>>6073430
As soon as i can obv, it is costing me a lot.
But I can't not do it, you know what i mean?
>>6073437
Yeah I get it.
Can't keep running from it forever. I just need to fix my fucking hairline. Boot camp made me get an extra inch of forehead.
>>6073447
I already took way too long to start ;-;
I am very fortunate that I don't look much worse than i could i guess
>>6072144
My brother joined the military at 22. He did 6 years service. He just came out to me at 29. I don't think he plans on transitioning but he said he used the military as a way to be more "male". He did a lot of masculine stuff in his twenties to try and repress those feelings.
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>>6078792
Well I'm never going to pass anyways.
Roommates said the best I could look like is a $5 trap whore.
>>6079305
This is me.
Forgot the trip
>>6079342
I've looked at Sparta Trans but right now I really just need to work on getting through this last month of Comm school.
>>6079346
Ah, i see, if you change your mind and want to join us later, do you know how to get a hold of any of us?
Good luck with your training <3
>>6079362
I got in contact with Corporal Ireland on facebook, she added me to the facebook group. So I'll be able to get more in contact soon
>>6079373
Whenever you get there, look for ivy!
>>6079305
So how have you been dealing with finding out you were actually kind of obvious when you were repressing?
>>6072112
>There's an estimated 15,500 transgender personnel in the United States Armed Forces currently serving in silence.
What's this figure based off of?
>>6084600
I meant the Facebook posts and shit.
>>6078792
I'm not sure what he was like as a child because I am 5 years younger. I am transgender MtF. I came out to my friends first then him. It was weird because after I told him I was transgender and planning on transitioning he told me he had felt that way his entire life too and only told a few of his friends online. He never expressed it to me before I came out to him.
His hair is quite thinned out now (hes 30) and his body is pretty masculine. I think he's just gonna try to take it to his grave. Really sad because since I am transitioning I feel like I am rubbing it in his face because I pass pretty well at 24.
>>6086116
That's really sad. I hope he finds happiness somehow.
Informed consent script and being in regs for your birth assigned gender means no one cares
>>6072115
>Why join if you know that joining as a tranny is against the rules?
They want to serve their country.
>>6086116
>His hair is quite thinned out now (hes 30) and his body is pretty masculine.
Hair transplants are pretty advanced nowadays, and estrogen plus a decent workout regimen will give her at least a much more feminine body than she currently has. Don't let her become one of those 60-year-old married closet cases who randomly blows their brains out or upends their whole family's life to transition.
Bring it up. Help her out with your personal experience. Be a good little sister to your big sis.
>>6089875
>>6091670
Thank you guys. I will try. She doesn't seem to like talking about it very much, I think it hits a really sore spot. She was self medding on HRT for a few months but had to move.
She is a disabled veteran and incapable of doing much physical activity now. Got injured in Iraq. I think she wants to move to Oregon so maybe will continue the transition there.
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>>6091802
Jeez. That's exactly why I didn't want to join the military when I was a lot more suicidal. The chances of dying are too low if that's what you want, to risk it. Is she at least getting her "100%"? I think it's a disability payout or pension, I'm not sure. My business professor is a Vietnam war veteran who uses his military jargon from time to time and is starting up a non-profit that helps veterans. He's helped some people get those payouts, one of them was a WWII veteran who somehow still wasn't getting anything. He also got our congressman to change one old guy's dishonorable discharge to an honorable one (the offense was I think spitting gum out onto the ground and offending standards of cleanliness [not sure if that's the military's term for it]). A discharge sounds extreme for that, but I don't know much about the military, much less the way it was 40 years ago.
The problem is I don't know if he helps people who don't see him in person, and we're in NJ.
>>6091659
I joined because I was homeless
Trillions of American citizens are gay.
>>6091659
I really don't think that's true for even the majority of cis people in the military. The military provides a safety net or a ladder for the healthy young poor.
>>6093774
This
>>6093762
quadrillions of human beings are gay around the world RIGHT NOW
>>6072112
That salute i wrong faggot.
I'm fine with being banned from service. We should be banned from most civil services anyway. Like, Id love to never do jury duty again. We don't let deaf people sit on juries, why should we let the mentally ill?
>>6093829
>implying pre-puberty transitioners are mentally ill
It's just the rest of us that got fucked over that are.
So, if I join can I still have my moans? Will they make me wait? Will they let me wear a males uniform?
I should prob just ask a recruiter
>>6072112
>Incorrect salute
>Improper undershirt
>Sideburns to long
>Sleeve undone
>Improper salute
>Flag hung on the incorrect side
>Sterile uniform
>0/10 would smoke the fuck out of.
Seriously, do you civtards even fucking TRY with this stock image shit? How fucking hard is it to not be a total fuck up?
6 year Infantry vet here. Not a tranny, but for sure a total fag. Exclusive top though.
>>6072115
>>6072144
Yeah, the whole seeking refuge in hypermasculinity is a common one, though another one I don't see brought up that often is that not everyone of us even realizes we're trans that early. You'd be surprised at how much a disconnect there can be, especially if one lacks enough information to even know to look for information to know better.
>>6094112
>Seriously, do you civtards even fucking TRY with this stock image shit? How fucking hard is it to not be a total fuck up?
6 year Infantry vet here. Not a tranny, but for sure a total fag.
5 year med boarded tanker tranny that may as well have been infantry here. Completely agreed. It's not that hard to find one of us for a quick glance for some minimum 670-1 shit.
>>6094345
>may has well been infantry
Fuck off with that. Why do POGs always pull that shit. You weren't infantry, stop comparing yourselves to us.
>>6094345
>You'd be surprised at how much a disconnect there can be, especially if one lacks enough information to even know to look for information to know better.
Those would be the trannies raised in evangelical/fundamentalist families that don't even have the internet living in conservative areas, right?
>>6072112
Ban or no ban, trans 'men' will only ever be laughed out of the army. Good luck fitting in with the most macho bros in country.
>>6079305
Wigs exist, OP.
http://www.wigs.com/human-hair-wigs.html
>>6095028
the military is insecure roided up manlet central so they would fit right in
>>6096808
Yes they do, but being able to look passable or feminine at all while being treated like a dude and forced to dress, act, and cut your hair like a dude in the place you end up spending most of your time hurts very bad.
>wigs
Thats not good enough. Im not playing dress up on the weekends, i'm trans.
>>6096946
>the military is insecure roided up manlet central so they would fit right in
That is true. Every military is basicly built on weak manhoods needing to be proven somehow. And what better way than with all those toys and action? They will whip you into shape and make you forget what a pussy you really are.
>>6094345
>Yeah, the whole seeking refuge in hypermasculinity is a common one, though another one I don't see brought up that often is that not everyone of us even realizes we're trans that early. You'd be surprised at how much a disconnect there can be, especially if one lacks enough information to even know to look for information to know better.
That can litterally go on for a lifetime. People get really good at supressing shit and trying to conform to their surroundings. Closets within closets...
I had no connections to my feelings. They were horrible feminine things that could not be let out. First time I had sex with another guy I drove out of town an hour away where I knew nobody would know what we did. Same thing first time I dressed up in real female clothing. Felt like I had murdered someone and needed to get rid of the body. Didnt even make the connection. I knew I did it, but it felt like I had fapped to child porn or something. It was so horrible it could not even allow myself to admit it to myself. It's like you are split into a normal side and a deviant side that occationally gets out when nobody is around. Followed by immediate deep shame.
>>6094396
Because our jobs are literally harder than yours you snot gargling, Afghani-sand breather. You should be glad anyone compares their work to yours. Now get back to work before your poor sergeant has to rape your ass into gear.
t. O-6 XO of an aircraft carrier who has to deal with shitheads like you daily
>>6094396
>muh infantry
Half you idiots can't even infantry right. I love seeing infantry in ASUs, marksman, marksman, marksman, oo look a sharpshooter.
But you know it isn't like your primary function is to shoot.
Retards get enlisted to MOS that they don't have the intelligence to handle, fail out, fall into needs of the Army
>infantry
The better question is why does anyone join at all? You're literally a slave.
>>6104439
This. We don't defend America's freedom anymore, only Israel's. What's the point?
>>6104439
>Serve 4 years
>GI bill pays for college
>Do 4 years college
>Find job
>Not spend 30 years paying back student loans
>also $0.30 off your coffee for muh military discount
>>6108010
>>6104439
There's nothing to survive when most people who deploy are barely going beyond the wire or placed in active combat roles, idiots.
It's one thing to just not like the military, that's fine you're entitled to that but if you have to resort to blatant lies, misinformation, and self-delusion just to get your get your point across, you're a dumb cunt.
Rally the few functional brain cells in that little skull of yours and try to put forth some effort in at least knowing what you're talking about.
You're not a slave, you're fulfilling a contractual obligation in return for a variety of benefits. Nobody places you under duress to sign that paper. You do it of your own volition, so you're expected to fulfill your end of it.
Even then, you're given multiple chances during the course of your vocational training to jump ship if you feel like the military just isn't for you and it's encouraged. You probably get treated worse at your shitty little wage slave job than the average military member gets treated
I doubt the military would take you anyways, you fat bovine-looking piece of garbage.
Im trans and I currently serve in the USAF. I joined because I was in denial and I wanted to make my family proud but I came to terms that I would never be happy unless I transitioned recently. I have been considering suicide for pretty much the last 6 years but it has recently spiked to planning it out constantly. I do hope things go well at the end of May if not I honestly have no idea what I will do,
>>6115272
Airfag here, where are you stationed??
>>6115310
Shaw AFB, where are you at and what is your AFSC?
>>6115317
Maxwell, security forces ;-;
Post your email and I'll tell you more
>>6111938
>You probably get treated worse at your shitty little wage slave job than the average military member gets treated
>civilians have no curfew
>civilians won't get a negative counseling for forgetting to salute an officer
>civilians won't get told "Hey we're staying till 2200 today because this thing is fucked and you need to fix it
>civilians won't have to do extra pt during lunch for being 2 pounds overweight
>civilians won't have the "smoking lamp" put out so they can't have their tobacco
>civilians won't get negative counseling for not having a clean as fuck haircut every single week
>civilians won't clean their rooms for 3 hours, have a Sergeant run in, throw shit around, and tell them they failed field day inspection
>civilians won't have random uniform inspections
>civilians don't have to wake up at 4 in the morning for a battalion run
so you're telling me
>civilians get treated worse
is that it?
>>6117498
Neither does the airforce.
;)
