Let's settle this once and for all /lgbt/
Is it possible to be Trutrans and not have any genital dysphoria whatsoever?
>>6481101
I guess if you fit literally every other criteria for HSTS status, yes.
It's not possible to be trans without genital dysphoria
>>6481101
cisgay here. Not to get all tumblry on you faggots, but ultimately, why does it matter?
Whether someone transitions because they have crippling dysphoria, or because they're AGP, or even because they're an attention whore ultimately shouldn't matter. The end result is the same.
I understand that for people with dysphoria, the idea of others transitioning for sexual kinks or "just for the hell of it" may offend you. But you have to let that shit go.
It's like how I used to be in terms of being uncomfortable around or even pissed off at flamboyant, effeminate male homosexuals. I believed they made me as a gay man look bad. Took me awhile, but eventually I realized that no one can make me look bad but myself. I have no ill will towards them anymore - I accept them for who they are, and my life improved as a result.
Anyone transitioning for any reason is obviously doing it because it's what they feel they need to do as a person to be true to themselves. It's not like it's an easy decision to make.
I want to transition so I can be a woman and so I can have a male mate but I'd rather not lose my dick. The balls can go as they make T but I love using my penis. Boys suck the best dick.
Feminine penis.
That is all.
>>6481277
Do we walk around with our genitals hanging out?
>>6481277
I'm fine with my clit, and my vagina as long as it doesn't bleed, and my uterus as long as it doesn't get impregnated. I'm not fine with my boobs, voice, bone structure, or musculature. When puberty started, I honestly wanted to kill myself because it meant I would stop passing for a boy. I would start to resemble female peers and I knew I was not female and I didn't want anyone to find out that I was born in a female body. I think I'm ok with my genitals because I have always had the ability to masturbate and orgasm even before I knew it was a sexual act.
>>6482843
No, I'm just actually transgender unlike the rest of you.
>>6482820
>AGP
I don't get off to myself. The better insult would be to call me an ultrahomosexual. I want my dick inside men, not nasty bleed holes.
>>6482898
You think any normal person gives a shit? You're never gonna be accepted just because you're some retarded Uncle Tom tranny. It doesn't matter if you're the truest fucking tranny of them all as long as everyone still thinks trannies are freaks, and playing your game of respectability politics will never get you anywhere.
>>6482959
Nice tangent.
>>6483052
It's not a tangent if the answer to "can you be trutrans if" is it doesn't fucking matter
>>6482820
m8 Blanchard literally said AGP can be trans, hence them being half of his TRANSSEXUAL typology.
>>6483413
>Being crazy for one reason is very different from being crazy for another
>>6483425
Clearly your brain is being messed up by counterfeit overseas medications, fetishist. Seek help.
>>6483599
wew brutal
no real difference between people who want boobs due to being born with a fucked up brain and people who want boobs due to their brain being fucked up though
>>6483658
The brains of trans people aren't "fucked up," asshole, their bodies are.
>>6483685
Nah mate, current studies suggest gender dysphoria is a neurological disorder.
I've never questioned whether i'm trans or not. Since i was 10 and discovered trans porn by accident something clicked in my brain and i knew i was trans and would eventually transition.
The thing is i don't fit a lot of truetrans stereotypes. I sometimes wonder if it makes me weird.
Like i said i realised i was trans by finding trans porn. Usually people say that's pretty AGP but i wasn't thrned on by the porn. I just realised that becoming a passable girl even though i have a penis was possible and decided to look into making that a reality. To be honest i didn't even think about why i wanted to be a girl i just knew i wanted to be one and not a crossdresser. It took me a few years to finally start transitioning but i'm still a you g transitioner. I started at 16 after asking one of my online trans friends to send me some of her spare hormones. When i took the first pill my only thought I was that if it's a mistake i can alway just stop. But i wasn't a mistake and i kept transitioning and started passing really early on. When i went to the doctors i was really headstrong and forced my way through the system by using my self medding as leverage. Every docotr and therapist i've seen has mentioned how confident i come off about my transition and i am confident.
So transition early and being confident sounds pretty truetrans but here's the thing. I love sex with sex with cis women, i work very hard on improvig my body so i can feel sexy and comfertable in it, and i have nearly no body or genital dysphoria. And the dysphoria i do have isn't like being depressed and moping around about things it's just a really strong drive to do better and improve. Only recently as i've fallen into depression and hit some walls in my transition have i started feeling negative dysphoria instead of a drive to better myself. From what i read here that's pretty atypical.
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>>6483717
It might be that my dysphoria is only social because i passed so early on. There was 't much about my body to dislike. And since i like my gentials for sex with women i don't mind them either. Lately i've started wanting SRS though and have even booked an appoitment. I mostly want it for asthetic and fitting in reasons though. I'm sick of worrying about having a buldge, gettig errections, being unable to wear tight fitting clothes, going swimming, and using changing rooms. I desperatly want to be normal. But on the otherhand i like my dick and the clseness i feel with women when we have sex. And i've even been curious about sex with men and other trans women. Sounds muddled right?
So what the hell am i? I don't feel true trans because i never wanted to cut my dick off with a knife but i don't feel agp because i transitioned really well and don't live a fetishistic life style.
I'm also stealth but have been debating being out a lot. I'm moving back home where people know i'm trans soon and think i might live the out life style because it's easier for dating and i don't have to worry about being found out.
Tl;dr. Like my dick, transitioned early, lesbian, pass well, am stealth, wanna be out, wanna fuck trannies, might get srs to fit in better.
So what am i true trans or agp?
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>>6483699
That doesn't necessarily mean as much as you think it does. Like most metal illnesses it's a spectrum because the brain might only be a little broken. So like most mental disorders we treat the symptoms and the symptoms of being gender dysphoric (feeling bad about it because if you don't feel bad about it who cares?) is by transitioning.
That's why the DSM reworked GID into gender dysphoria. Because if it doesn't hurt you or the people around you there's no reason to treat human anomalies.
>>6483743
it's called you're a young transitioner so fucking be happy you're not a hon like me shithead
>>6483685
>>6483760
I'm very much pro-transsexual but being born intersexed usually causes the intersexed individual a great deal of suffering. You can treat such individuals with dignity while still recognizing that their condition is a disorder. Furthermore if you have two groups of people who both suffer a great deal from being a certain sex due to a mental condition then it seems somewhat absurd to dub one legitimate and the other illegitimate like all of the people who misunderstand Blanchard's work do.
>>6483743
>So what am i true trans or agp?
At this point I feel like /agpg/ should be mandatory reading for trannies on this board. AGP can be trans.
>>6483815
Sorry i was just pointing out the misunderstood fact that psychology isn't about finding mental human variation and listing them but helping people that suffer because oc the variation. I think i got in the crossfire of you and another poster.
You're tottaly right.
>>6483837
I wrote some rather mean things in this thread as well so I can't really judge. Sorry.
>>6483864
Hey don't worry about it. We're all kinda shits here.
I'm mtf trans and i like having the junk i was born with. I know gender and sexuality are separate things but honestly i think it's because i'm also bi
Like, i like having the kind of body i'm attracted to. If you think about it thats how gays and lesbians are too, they're attracted to their body. It's not unusual or anything.. at least among lgbtees
Like i honestly dont get the distinction people make bewteen wanting to be X and being attracted to Y. It's weird to me that most people are like that honestly
>>6483944
Are they attracted to their own bodies? I don't know if that's a given anon. Maybe make a new thread with a poll asking lgb if they are or not.
>>6483983
Maybe not all of them, but lots of gay guys are attracted to their bodies, and i think the same goes for lesbians
Let me put it like this. If lgb people were given the chance to have sex with someone who looks exactly like they do, i think most of them would
Whatever it is. Just pass. I'm sorry but that's the most important thing.
>>6483743
>I like my dick
>should I get rid of it?
That sounds like a bad idea.
>>6481101
No.
Transgender people are only transgender because they have an uncontrollable emotional upset at the gender/sex they were born. We seek out to live as the opposite sex, and become so as far as medically possible, because we identity as that gender/sex. The psychological effect of being forced to live in a gender/sex we feel we are not, is mentally and emotionally crippling. There would be no scientific or medical basis to provide medical treatment or surgery to a person who doesn't actual suffer from any medical condition. Transsexualism/GID/Gender Dysphoria are actual medical conditions recognized across the planet by every professional in the field.
If you don't suffer from dysphoria, you are either:
>a fetishist
or
>an attention whore
>>6485166
Can't it just be a preference like anything else? Is this the one special case where it has to be a medical condition? I mean I'm sure some people have it as a fetish and some do it for attention. I don't have dysphoria if I were to just remain boymode, but going over to girlmode yes, I don't want my male features which could likely be the removal of my genitals if I have the cashflow to allow for that.
>>6483351
Definitly, but keep in mind Blanchard doesn't consider AGPs or HSTS women. To him trans=man with mental disorder.
I have a theory that alot of HSTS in the 20th century only get SRS to fit in. If they do feel genital dysphoria, it may be induced subconisouly by society, rather than something their born with.
Now if HSTS would just accept that they are trans and not a ciswoman, they could probably find a qt bi or AGP guy who accepts them as the shemale that they are.
>>6485166
I side with this guy. He is right.
>>6482764
>it only causes dysphoria if seen by others
That's not how it works, at all.
>>6485166
But what about trans people with weak dysphoria or that don't feel bad about their body but still feel the need to transtion.
If science were advanced enough to make a perfect copy of what you want, then no.
Since science is taking its time with everything in general due to a lack of funding and ultimately won't be capable of producing a perfect copy for another 50-100 years, yes.
For me I don't like my dick but I much prefer it to some wound I have to reopen every 12 hours for the rest of my life crafted out of what is left of what I hate.
I'll wait for stem cells to move past their infancy.
>>6485531
OR
you're both wrong.
>>6485166
>If you don't suffer from dysphoria, you are either:
I agree with this, but you're erroneously equating not having gender dysphoria with having no dysphoria at all. I like my penis but I'm still on hormones and have tons of dysphoria with my secondary sexual characteristics
>>6485476
Are you that AGP who keeps saltily commenting on how HSTS don't want AGP partners? You're almost as bad as that femboy shill twit. Face it, you're not a good partner for anyone. Neither cis women nor trans women want you. Here's why in words you'll understand http://www.sisterhouse.net/familyroom/2013/11/10/how-your-crossdressing-changes-your-wifes-opinion-of-you/ http://www.sisterhouse.net/familyroom/2015/11/22/the-other-woman-in-your-marriage/ Because you can't maintain a masculine image and presentation at all times, you are subpar as a male partner. Your need to imagine yourself as a woman is unattractive. The fact you're likely to try transition once you enter your forties makes you a risky bet.
If you want to date a woman either cure your AGP (good luck), find a woman into crossdressers, or transition.
t. bi tranny who would not knowingly date a nontransitioned AGP
>>6485621
>For me I don't like my dick but I much prefer it to some wound I have to reopen every 12 hours for the rest of my life crafted out of what is left of what I hate.
You only have to dilate multiple times a day at first. After some time, it's just 30 minutes once a week. May as well do it with your weekly estrogen injection.
The difference between people who have genital dysphoria and those who claim to not have it is their bank account tbqh.
I can't wait for being trans to stop being taboo so people will stop doing it for attention.
That should filter out the TRUTRANS pretty nicely.
>>6481101
I hope so :c
>>6485476
>Definitly, but keep in mind Blanchard doesn't consider AGPs or HSTS women. To him trans=man with mental disorder.
so? that's true
>>6486082
honestly I just see the current tech annoyingly primitive and i'm too afraid of never having sensation or getting one of those monster "vagina"s
>>6481277
>It's IMPOSSIBLE to deviate from my symptoms in any way
>human personalities are even less complex than Western psychologists believe
>>6482959
Underrated
>>6485782
>I like my penis but I'm on hormones
Bruce Jenner pls go and stay go
In my opinion, it depends. You cant be trutrans without genital dysphoria, but you can be trans. I get confused by trans people who have no genital dysphoria, most often disgusted by the thought of srs. I can see not wanting to get it due to it being a hassle which is not worth the cost and wait, but outright despising it confuses me. Can someone without genital dysphoria please explain their feelings?
>>6481101
>Is it possible to be Trutrans and not have any genital dysphoria whatsoever?
Yo, I have dysphoria towards secondary sex characteristics. Y u need primary as well?
>>6489909
I have mild genital dysphoria, have gotten most of my transition out of the way, and am reasonably close to passing, but it's honestly just not worth the effort for me. It's an INSANE amount of money to see the surgeon I would want to see, and anyone cheaper I would not trust, as I've looked at the results of well-known but more institutional-type surgeons. Their rate of messing up is too high, and their best is just not very good.
I would be more than happy to get it, but it would cost me over ~$20,000, and I'm just not in any sort of financial position to pursue it, and I think it's just like >>6486082 said. Given a free ride with a good surgeon and a good understanding of what can be accomplished and most trans women would get it.
>>6489909
i just want a stem cell vag ;_____;
fake really just isn't good enough for me
I wish people could get hrt and surgery without having a therapist approve it. I can understand having a therapist approve it to get insurance to cover it though. This is America. If someone wants to get hormones and surgery and then later realize that they are actually cis then it should be their choice and their problem. When non dysphoric trans people didn't physically transition and then later realize they made a mistake it makes it harder for dysphoric trans people to transition. If that wasn't the case, less people would give a shit about if someone has dysphoria or not
I personally think you need dysphoria to be trans. I can't imagine why someone would go through the trouble and pain of being trans even if they don't physically transition just for shits and giggles, but if someone says they're trans I'll accept it even if they tell me they don't have dysphoria since they must have some other reason for it. Plus, me telling them they're not trans isn't going to change their mind
>>6483944
>I'm attracted to my own dick
Now THIS is agp.
>>6489909
I just do not mind having a penis and getting GRS to fit into someone's idea of trutans would be a huge waste of money and the time of the surgeon that could be operating on someone who wants it and would ultimately probably just make me feel worse. Why do it? Hormones alone are enough to make me happy.
>>6484178
I don't love it though.
>>6483847
I don't believe you weren't turned on by the trans porn
>>6481101
Is it possible to be trucis and have total genital dysphoria?
>>6489909
Personally I don't see the point in getting SRS if I'm okay enough with having and using my penis. I mean.. if I could snap my fingers and get a legit vagina and the rest of the plumbing.. no questions asked, I'd do it in a fucking heart beat.. If I could snap my fingers and get a neovagina that was pretty spot on with no complications or anything like that I'd probably still do it in a heart beat.. but, unfortunately, this is reality and it just doesn't work like that and probably never will within my lifetime. So, as I said, currently for me.. my best option is keeping my penis, regardless if I 100% want to or not.
And that's another thing... people who say that they are cool with their birth genitalia and refuse to get SRS because of it but also say something like I said "snap fingers to get real preferred genitalia" or "would still like to have preferred genitalia" do have some amount of genital dysphoria. Choosing not to get SRS ≠ no genital dysphoria.. it just means it's not as severe.
>>6481101
>Is it possible to be trutrans and be the exact thing the word trutrans was coined to distinguish from
I r8 this b8 0/8.
>>6485584
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