http://www.nbcnews.com/video/queer-2-0-let-s-talk-about-gender-dysphoria-711394371505
We're totally fucked if these are the people who represent us. This nonbinary hon has no fucking clue what they're talking about the entire video and the worst part is that normies will eat this up thinking it's legit info. I've given up any hope at this point that the mainstream public will ever understand us.
>>6460478
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9N12fV9gOhs
raid?
>>6460478
They are literally using the definitions of the DSM and are accurately stating the body dysmorphia of many cis people.
IDK what can be wrong with that.
>>6460478
(((Who))) is behind this? It's being done intentionally.
The only people to represent the trans community is hons or trans porn stars. Because no one else would want their status disclosed.
>>6460478
>We're totally fucked if these are the people who represent us.
Here's an idea, why don't you get out there and represent yourself?
>>6460478
We need to start harassing them and driving them off the public sphere once and for all.
Set the hounds loose on him, I'm not gona let some kids didling old man in a dress like him force his way onto us.
Crush the creepy old men and run them back into their holes.
Can someone please point out what they said was wrong?
>>6460563
It's a perverted bearded man who thinks a dress entitles him to creep on kids.
Purge his kind before they do more damage.
>>6460536
We'll do much better by hunting his kind and hounding them till they go into hiding.
>>6460576
But they accurately stated the topic in an informative manner without stigmatizing any group mentioned.
Like who cares about their appearance?
>>6460591
Everyone
a man like him talks about harassing women and children.
He's disgusting, a monster, he should die before he can hurt anyone.
>>6460591
Are you retarded?
apperance means everything because it can make cis people think that all trans people are like that
>>6460558
These people wouldn't even have a platform if it wasn't given to them by pic related.
>>6460536
>just spend your life trying to play damage control
Yeah that sounds like a real productive idea.
>>6460563
>"it's not that we hate our bodies..."
>dysphoria is discomfort in oneself DUE TO SOCIAL PRESSURE
>if you're not a super skinny girl or a buff guy, you probably experience dysphoria too
>blah blah break the gender binary blah
family it's too obvious
>Dysphoria
>General dissatisfaction
It's physically pailful. You can't function with dysphoria you weirdo. Shave that beard.
>>6460478
Top fucking kek. You can't bitch about dysphoria with a FULL FUCKING BEARD jesus christ GTFO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAb652NcL_M
Let me represent all trannies.
I'm not hideous, and I do understand the struggles.
>>6460603
But with the current over saturation of trans imagery in media we are at the point of having hundreds of images daily of every kind of trans person.
From Glamazons to non-passers, I mean why even valueize looks at this point
>>6460624
But what they stated regarding ending the whole "trapped in a man's body" narrative was something Laverne Cox stated.
I tend to agree, while I have a personal dysphoria where my body cause distress and anxiety how I am treated by society because of my body is much more harmful to my health, life and likelihood.
>>6460478
This is just fucking harmful.
>>6460606
Ready to go full lgbt strong, senpai?
The sooner we start loving guns and purging anyone who gives our enemies an opening to attack, the sooner we'll stop getting bashed like in Orlando.
Remove the man in >>6460478 , deport him to the kebab lands.
>>6460678
Goldberg pls go
>>6460603
Normally I would go
>Fine. Everyone will look for those freaks. And passing girls would go under the radar.
But then I think about poor trans kids coming out to their parents and they would think their kid would end up like this freak of nature in OPs.
>>6460478
Spreading misinformation and, oh, look at the response
>you're a freak, case closed, get out of my face with this perverted propaganda
>celebrate the deranged gender confused so they can recruit your children and grandchildren. Homosexuals don't reproduce young children, they recruit young children, maybe your young children and grandchildren.
>lol I still can't get used to seeing a man with a beard with a dress on. I'm sorry if that offends you, I wonder if they wear bra's
>so instead of calling you sexually retarded we can just tastefully say you're sexually interesting and praise your indifference
>The never-ending quest for the Girls Locker Room, Queer 2.0? -- Do you know you sound like mental patients with severe hormonal disorders?
>propaganda from the the belly of the beast....brought to you by the .03% of our population,and our state department....this GUY is a train wreck. you have the right to make yourself look like fool,and I gave the right to tell you... welcome to America.
>I laughed all the way through. Thanks MSNBC an Jacob, I needed that.
Mission accomplished NBC and Jacob. Doing the community a real solid here.
>>6460737
In the name of trump, the one true prophet.
>>6460783
peace be with him, and his father, kek, the one true god.
>>6460527
Agree with this. The solution to this problem is going stealth. I honestly stopped bothering with these type of fake trannies.
Whenever I meet someone and I have to explain that Im trans for whatever reason, I always get to hear that I don't fit in the stereotype they keep seeing on the media, and I casually explain to them the difference to people seeking attention, and the actual transgender girls who have been struggling with their dysphoria and just want to feel and be seen as any other girl next door. And some trans girls might have a harder time passing then others but you can easily spot the real ones from the fake ones. But the differences is that the fake ones seek attention, why the real ones try to blend in.
And above all is that we hate those fake trannies just as much as you do. After that we both laugh and make fun of fake trannies for the rest of the conversation.
>>6460514
>raid?
Looks like the video already circulated on /pol/ or /b/.
>>6460864
me one the far right
>>6460864
>I always get to hear that I don't fit in the stereotype they keep seeing on the media, and I casually explain to them the difference to people seeking attention, and the actual transgender girls who have been struggling with their dysphoria and just want to feel and be seen as any other girl next door.
As a cishet, this was kind of always my conclusion, like, if you want to transition to the other gender, why would you want to make a big deal about the fact that you've transitioned, that's not your will, intent or desire, logically.
It makes it all the more obvious that the tumblr tier trans people and the general media whores have some kind of fucking personality disorder that makes them desperately crave attention no matter what the cost is to them.
These fucking freaks think anything can be trans and ruin our image with their lack of desire to even fucking try to look acceptable.
I wish we could lynch these trender fucks.
>"misrepresentation"
I find it comical that trannies think that a dude in a dress is somehow a misrepresentation. Trannies are, in fact, men who are wearing a woman costume.
You're just mad that they're more honest about it than you are, entirely because you know that normal people are not going to buy it. The only way that your movement has any teeth at all is if it's cloaked in secrecy and confusion. That there are plenty of trannies who are open about this issue is what will undo you.
>>6461142
Cute boys on hormones aren't dudes in dresses.
Poor autistic trailer trash, nobody cares what you or the rest of your Omar Matene loving kind think.
>>6460657
you don't pass and you look like an agp though
>>6460478
Holy shit that looks horrible.
>>6461142
>Trannies are, in fact, men who are wearing a woman costume
Most of them actually feel legit body dysphoria though, try their best to pass as a woman, and the idea of growing a beard and making a video for NBC fucking News is abhorrent to them.
Sure, some of them might fail at passing but they aren't the same as this gender bending fag trying to co opt gender dysphoria from people who actually have legit issues.
Sissies are ruining both lolita community and trans community
When did it get okay for grownass men to promote their age play fetishes
>>6461305
Forgot link
http://www.cosplaycrisis.com/2016/06/04/safety-vs-acceptance-in-j-fashion/
I'm 25 years old mtf and people like the guy in the video almost made me kill myself.
>>6460558
Who the fuck is "us"? Step off a bridge Becky.
>>6461442
no they didnt you fucking assimilated coon pussy
>>6461177
>boys aren't dudes
>if you disagree with me about the biological reality of transsexuals, then you are autistic, poor, muslim, and you hate gay people
It's not a great argument. You might want to try a different one.
>>6461268
>Most of them actually feel legit body dysphoria though
That doesn't change their physical reality. "Dysphoria" literally means that they feel differently than they actually are.
If you're just going to agree with me, you may as well not reply. I already knew that I was right.
>>6461471
>Becky
>>6460478
>We're totally fucked if these are the people who represent us.
It's possible that a large percentage of trans people are hons and/or non binary, and that passing trans women do not engage in LGBT+ spaces as much. So it's natural that representation will reflect the people available for representation.
Case in point: If you were NBC, would you pick a trans activist who frequently writes for a variety of news organisations about being trans (including NBC Out), has appeared in documentaries about trans people, who runs a variety of workshops and oh by the way has a professional website with clear booking information, orrrr would you pick a random qt trans girl with no prior media experience and shitposts on a website that also hosts /pol/?
Also genderqueer people exist and are clearly harder for people to conceptualise than "he was born a man, but wants to be a woman" since they critique the idea of a gender binary, which is a pretty novel idea for most people.
Just be thankful they didn't wheel out Alok to tell you why you're racist for assuming that people could only be men or women.
>>6461305
Lolita asks for it.
It's turned into a fashion with a lot of internal bullying and hate. Eventually, only "acceptable" thin, frail, child-like girls were able to join Lolita coms without being bullied out. That leaves a shit ton of bait, right out in the open, in a culture where they are pretty much forced to accept trans people. There are no fatty-chans to tell the pedos to GTFO, so you're all screwed m8.
>>6461550
>That doesn't change their physical reality
I never said it did. Most trans people who are deluded enough to believe that sex can be changed reside over on tumblr, not here.
My point is that a trans person feeling dysphoria is different from some non binary fag who embraces their secondary sexual characteristics, and should not be classed as the same thing. You can't feel dysphoria and rock a beard, that's not how it works.
>>6461554
>critique the idea of the gender binary
>If i wear a dress I'm a girl today and if I wear flannel I'm a boy today
Great critiquing they're doing...
>>6460478
Seriously? I'd expect better of you, just because she isn't pretty doesn't mean she isn't trans. I don't see you doing any better and all your doing is being a bigot
>>6461646
A transwoman would
NEVER EVER
wear a beard like that,
especially not
WHILE BEING FILMED!
You're the bigot in this one, anon.
>>6460624
>>just spend your life trying to play damage control
Don't complain then when these people represent you
>>6461442
People like you and the guy in OP's pic are what gives us a bad name.
Just a bunch of weak ass bitches
>>6461550
>"Dysphoria" literally means that they feel differently than they actually are.
No. That would just be being transgender.
>a state of unease or generalized dissatisfaction with life.
>a profound state of unease or dissatisfaction. In a psychiatric context, dysphoria may accompany depression, anxiety, or agitation.
>>6461646
OP here. Fucking strawman it up harder why don't you. My problem is that they're a fuckawful rep because they provide factually inaccurate info. Being a hon doesn't help, but if this nigga just knew what the fuck they were saying then I wouldn't have posted this.
Also, their name is Jacob, and they're not even a trans woman you dumb cuck.
>>6460515
That part is correct, but the context they use it in means that the actual definition is getting conflated with their bullshit. It actually makes it worse. The profound sense of dissatisfaction with one's sex (leading to depression, suicide, impairment of normal function, etc.) that actually transsexual people experience is not the same as feeling kind of sad about having to conform to male gender roles like this person experiences. If they felt actual gender dysphoria they wouldn't so severely downplay the importance and prevalence of bodily dysphoria, and they certainly wouldn't be comfortable with having a fucking beard and generally being obviously male.
Amongst many other things they do wrong, they conflate "gender dysphoria" with "dissatisfaction with one's body based on gender-specific societal standards". Gender dysphoria would be a male feeling bad about being male and having masculine features; by their definition a cis man who feels inadequate for being too short or not handsome enough would have gender dysphoria, which is outright wrong and incredibly misleading at best, and using a definition that broad makes the term practically meaningless.
Not once did they mention anything about it being a medical condition, or about how serious the problems it causes can be, or about how it's not a choice to be trans,or anything of that nature.
This is why I insist on using the word "transsexual"; because the word "transgender" can mean just about anything, which contributes to situations like this happening.
>>6461142
>Trannies are, in fact, men who are wearing a woman costume.
Not really. Numerous scientific studies have shown that people with gender dysphoria are NEUROLOGICALLY (not just psychologically) more akin to their identified rather than to their birth-assigned gender, and not just in the segment of the brain that identifies gender, but pervasively. I feel you on the 'you can't just choose your sex' thing, but if there's one thing more conclusive than the sex of the genitals as to what a person 'is', it's the sex of the physical brain. Female brain means female person.
>>6461683
She's not a transwoman. They are genderqueer. It's the entire point of the video
>>6462449
Normal people don't care about that. They see that thing in the video and they think tranny freak. It's just how it is.
>>6462449
He is talking about "trans-people" without actually specifying it any further.
But he is talking explicitly about "gender dysphoria", which is something transsexuals experience. A fucking "genderqueer" does not feel genderdysphoria. This "genderqueer" man in the video says, that he experienced "gender dysphoria", which was created by society and something, which originated in him naturally.
This man is fucking insulting.
>>6460678
>no counterarguments
>>6460478
THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.
![23lo028[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/utlF8Oa.jpg "23lo028[1].jpg")
>>6460563
It's very strange. /lgbt anonymous self-proclaimed passing trannies seem quite hatefull towards people who don't live according to their expectations.
They usually also seem to really believe that they actually "pass", or that because of that they are "more of a women".
Seems they hate to be reminded of who they are, and often hate everyone else in the LGBT spectrum in a Mean Girl impersonation style, wich seems to be what fullfill their idea of what being a woman means.
>>6463051
hon detected
>>6462709
Not that anon but I've been out a fucking decade as gq/non-binary. I've been out longer than most of you transexxuals on here and much younger. I've been doing activism and advocacy work that is along with many others allowing you butches to get free SRS, FFS and breast jobs via MediCal; state funding for trans shelter beds and rights for other young trans people transsexual or not
Yes I have gender dysphoria and while your selfish ass wants to be a cis woman going stealth those who choose or don't choose not to go the path you've decided to take we continue to fight for your freedom to live as you please
Kindly fuck off fake ass Regina George.
![220px-Schäslong[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/oOj5Ehn.png "220px-Schäslong[1].png")
>>6463071
No, you don't get, it seems.
I wonder if you are just poorly meming or actually struggling with your identity...
>>6460603
oh my god, there is not one trans person who can represent all trans people. some trans people do look like this, as you and i both know. there are plenty of trans people in the media that stick more to one end of the binary, which seems to be what you're in a tiffy about. all trans people should be accepted however they want to present, even if it's confusing to straight cis people or makes binary conformists buttmad. everyone should be represented. get over it
>>6460639
they aren't bitching, they seem pretty comfortable with their identity desu
>>6463105
You. I get you.
>>6463051
True
>>6462068
That's partially a result of the latest dsm stripping gender dysphoria partially off the mental disorder category.
What they are saying is up to date but also largely for a cis audience who might need to connect with something they deal with. the speaker even stated trans people deal with dysphoria more intensely. IDK I feel you guys are overreacting, if they looked like Kim Petras most of y'all would be creaming your pants about her being a real trans example.
>>6461635
how is being trans any more revolutionary in this sense?
>>6463105
I own people like you absolutely nothing.
That you're old, doesn't mean you're wise.
You assume, that your so called "activism" granted me personally access to SRS etc., but you do not even know, where I am from. I've never heard from that MediCal, you're writing about. Yet you feel obviously morally authorized to call me "a butch" and tell me to "fuck off".
Btw there is no free access to SRS, FFS and breast jobs - nowhere on this earth it's for free! You write like somebody, who has absoluetly no idea.
It's sad, that you experience gender dysphoria. But do yourself a favor and stop being mad about successfully transitioning transwoman!
>>6460478
>10 seconds in
>Some people have this misconception that all trans people hate their bodies, or feel trapped in their bodies. But, that's not always true
It's fucking true, it's what makes somebody trans. If you don't have body dysphoria you're not trans.
This guy is a fucking TERF.
>>6460478
trans people will never be accepted. You're right to give up.
>>6463221
The access to Srs, ffs and top surgeries are free for low income transgender Californians on state health insurance and yes those of us drafting the revisions and speaking with medical service providers/politicians literally created these changes.
I'm not old, I was 13 when I came out and have for the past six years worked with organizations and groups that allow for us to give services to wannabe stealth like yourself.
The reason why you can act as though you are successful is because myself and women unlike myself who you may call hons have been working their asses off.
Your access to hormones and surgeries are because of hons, your access to anti-discrimination policies are because of hons, your ability to not be imprisoned are because of hons.
So many people on here reap the benefits without getting the generations of work in the making and sacrifices others have made for you. You are not standing alone, you did not make your own path, you ride on the coattails of the women you mock.
>>6463300
you realize not everyone lives in California, right? That's a very small part of the world. I have nothing to thank a hon like you for. You sound like a very stupid person, obviously bitter because you had to settle for being some gendermeme freak because you couldn't pass.
>>6463105
Hon. Enjoy being a freak. Don't need your "advocacy"
>>6463300
Thanks hon. Now go away
>>6463337
She does sound so bitter doesn't she.
>>6463221
>You write like somebody, who has absoluetly no idea.
You write like somebody who thinks pretending you were born and grown in a basement till you were 10, and nobody knew you were called Samuel, creates acceptance, and helps in the development of hormonal and surgical treatments....
>stop being mad about successfully transitioning transwoman
You sound so in denial with your condition. It's scary.
I'm >>6463221.
And I agree with >>6463337.
I earned the money for my transition myself.
You do not even live on my continent, you did absoluetely nothing for me.
Just fuck off with your people-"like-me"-paved-your-road-theory! Maybe you did do some decent work in "California" to help transsexuals, thumbs up. But you identify as a non passing trans woman - a hon - and are mad at passable transwoman, because they are frekkin happy. How fucking vile can a person be!
>>6462714
>That's not an excuse to look like a freak and mess up your body.
If you have a female brain and a male body then the body's already messed up. You only end up looking like a freak when you push your mode of dress and makeup way beyond the corresponding level of femininity exhibited by your body. Even if you are a fifty year old man, you can go on E and feel a lot better about yourself and only wind up looking like a fifty year old man with slightly more androgynous features. It's hons who dress in fucking gothic Lolita fashions for little girls from the Eighteenth Century who CHOOSE to look like freaks.
>>6463221
>Btw there is no free access to SRS, FFS and breast jobs - nowhere on this earth it's for free!
Some insurances in the US pay for it. You need to be lucky though.
>>6463414
Interesting.
But the fact, that insurances pay for some services, does not mean, that the service is "for free" in the sense, that everybody can access it. I'm sure you have to see a psychologist first, which is in my opinion always the way to go.
>>6463434
>Insurance pays for SRS
>Insure Cock
>get SRS
>Get paytout
>>6463498
>Insure Barn
>Burn It Down
>Get Payout
should have thought of that before srs
>>6463506
That sounds a lityle shifty, joan
![costanza_400x400[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/nsVb6dU.jpg "costanza_400x400[1].jpg")
>>6460478
>Replying on other people to represent you
Hey, OP, I have an idea. Why don't you become an outspoken advocate instead of bitching about other people doing it wrong?
>>6463542
>>Replying
"Relying"
>>6463300
>for low income transgender Californians on state health insurance
oh so basically nobody? cool
>>6463407
>If you have a female brain and a male body
No such thing. There's no Woman in a Man's body.
>>6463663
>Because I said so
>My feelings told me this, so it must be true!
>>6461646
>expect better of you,
what
>expecting better
>4chan
>>6462609
So... they just shouldn't exist? They should go in the closet, or go in the binary trans closet and still be unhappy?
Here's what you sound like
>Normal people don't care about the difference between trannies and fags. They see a tranny in the street and think "fag freak". It's just how it is.
>>6463051
"Projection" is a bit of an /lgbt/ meme, but that's what it is. They're insecure about not passing or becoming a hon, so when they see people who remind them of that fear they project their potential self hatred onto them. ESPECIALLY people who aren't sorry about it, like the person in OP.
>>6463542
This. Anon here >>6461554 nailed it, so many people in this thread are talking about going stealth if they pass... well, then it looks like the only people willing to do trans activism don't pass, and if you're looking to hire a spokesperson on trans issues you go for a trans activist over a random trans person... so that's why trans people feel misrepresented.
Although desu the trans community is better off not being represented by the 4chan brand tranny, who thinks anyone who doesn't pass should kill themselves and anyone who came out over the age of 20 is a fake AGP hon.
>>6463300
I was certain that hons were only good at getting off to themselves. How brave
>>6460563
>Transsexualism isn't real
>Trans people exist because of gender stereotypes, gender roles, and gender expectations
>We all suffer from gender dysphoria, only that some people suffer more than others
Basically, he's a cis guy TERF, who has issus with gender roles, gender expectations and stereotypes. For that he hijacks the trans movement to hide under a shroud of vicimhood, to then try to spout shrouded hatred against trans people, to convince them of his TERF ideology.
Also, his definition of dysphoria
>Opposite of euphoria
>Depression
>Anxiety
>Strong sense of unhappiness
What he is trying to say is that, everyone feels euphoric when they have breakfast, or something is on discount that they may want to buy, or were buying anyway.
>>6463814
They shouldn't call themselves trans, since they aren't trans.
I'm not going to call myself a cancer victim, because my hairline isn't the stereotypically feminine hairline. To then start to talk about "misconceptions about cancer"; and claim that everyone suffers a little cancer every day.
>>6463843
I'd rather have those 4ch advocates anon.
You, Stephonkee and the rest should find a way to restore your lack of self-awareness and leave the camera to the those who can at the very least pick out an outfit. my god
>>6463926
They're not binary trans. They're still under the trans umbrella.
>But anon, the trans umbrella doesn't real, it's just a stupid sjw thing
Yeah and? At this point you're arguing who is and isn't trans, which only puts you further down the road from people who argue that trans doesn't real
>But anon, trans does real!
Unless you're a hon, because everyone knows non passing TruTrans would actually an hero, and TruTrans would also have an hero'd by the age of 25 if they hadn't started transition.
>But anon
Nobody gives a shit. As far as normal people are concerned, you get the trannies like Janet Mock who were born with a dick but then become women, you get the trannies like Chaz Bono who were born with a vag and then become men, and then you get the trannies like OP who go off and do something else. You can argue about who is and isn't real, but the SJW discourse informs ALL discourse about trans people and makes you as popular amongst people who don't hate trannies as Germaine Greer.
>B-but people like this make us look bad!
Respectability politics don't work.
Also your entire cancer victim comment was so unspeakably retarded that I'm just going to call you retarded without even attempting to explain why.
>>6463979
>They're not binary trans. They're still under the trans umbrella.
No, they're not. They are simply not trans, being trans REQUIRES you to have body dysphoria, and to want to change your sex in some way.
>At this point you're arguing who is and isn't trans, which only puts you further down the road from people who argue that trans doesn't real
So I can say that everyone has cancer, and that it's just something you identfy with?
It's completely ok to argue who does and who doesn't have cancer, and it's ok to argue who is trans and who isn't. It's a medical condition.
Go back to your magical tumblr/reddit, aspie fuck.
>>6463979
I think I lost a few brain cells reading a post this retarded
>>6463952
The activism you're suggesting is "Hey! Look! We're hot and you can't tell we're trannies! You shouldn't be mad at us!". It's about as effective as gay guys going "Look, I wear tasteful co-ordinated outfits with my husband, and we own a white picket fence in suburbia where we raise our adopted daughter!". The schtick works on an individual level - you'll be seen as one of the "good" trannies - but it doesn't work to convince people who hate trannies. Even if you managed to get all the unacceptable trannies to kill themselves, there'd still be people who considered you a freak, no matter how much of a stealth wholesome woman you became. And God help you if you ever get an illness that makes you need to go off 'mones.
>>6464007
>No, they're not. They are simply not trans, being trans REQUIRES you to have body dysphoria, and to want to change your sex in some way.
Being trans requires you to experience dysphoria. That can take many forms. Let's have a look at what the DSM-5 says:
>A marked incongruence between one’s experienced/expressed gender and assigned gender, of at least 6 months duration, as manifested by 2* or more of the following indicators:
>1. a marked incongruence between one’s experienced/expressed gender and primary and/or secondary sex characteristics (or, in young adolescents, the anticipated secondary sex characteristics)
>2. a strong desire to be rid of one’s primary and/or secondary sex characteristics because of a marked incongruence with one’s experienced/expressed gender (or, in young adolescents, a desire to prevent the development of the anticipated secondary sex characteristics)
>3. a strong desire for the primary and/or secondary sex characteristics of the other gender
>4. a strong desire to be of the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender)
>5. a strong desire to be treated as the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender)
>6. a strong conviction that one has the typical feelings and reactions of the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender)
Well, you only need two of these signifiers to qualify, and they don't have to include physical dysphoria. And let's see, I know the NHS currently will help non binary people to transition, and recognition of non binary identities is a recommendation, specifically because otherwise
> It perpetuates the search for the “true transsexual” only, in order to identify the right candidates for hormone and surgical treatment instead of facilitating clinicians to assess the type and severity of any type of GI and offer appropriate treatment.
Let me guess, though, you know better?
>>6464015
Oh so parading freakshows like in the OP somehow is more effective than if trans advocates were actual trans people? It's time to stop posting, Jacob.
>>6464075
Dysphoria doesn't "take many forms". The person in the OP experiences no gender dysphoria whatsoever.
>>6464079
Parading actual trans activists is better than grabbing random trannies off 4chan to tell the world that anyone who hasn't transitioned by 25 or doesn't pass either needs to kill themselves or they aren't really trans. You seem to forget that most of the platforms for trannies will skew towards the left wing so most of the shit that 4chan trannies think would never fly.
The left wing thing is part of why you get hons featured slightly more often - they want to avoid giving the impression that trans women are only valuable if they pass and are attractive, thus they will feature hons and/or non binary people slightly more than expected. But unless you want to explain how you've got compelling evidence this person isn't trans according to the DSM-V, I think you're the one who needs to stop posting.
>>6464102
Reread my post.
>4. a strong desire to be of the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender)
>5. a strong desire to be treated as the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender)
>6. a strong conviction that one has the typical feelings and reactions of the other gender (or some alternative gender different from one’s assigned gender)
If you have those feelings for more than 6 months, you more than meet the diagnostic criteria for gender dysphoria.
>But anon, I don't consider that as counting!
Too bad, that's literally the clinical definition.
>But ANON! THE FREAK IN OP IS SO FUCKING DISGUSTING AND AWFUL AND I HATE THEM SO MUCH
They're a freak, but the only reason you're having this big a reaction to it is because your dysphoria is showing.
>>6464119
No worries. That's the exact realisation I gun for when I try and stick up for flaming faggots to "gaybros".
>>6464157
Depends on the hon, really. The reason they're even called hons in the first place is because of the tendency of hons to overuse feminine coded speech (as in "Oh hon, your tuck is barely showing!" "Thanks sugar, your stubble is practically invisible today!")
Typically hons don't want to look like hons, whereas non binary people either want to look androgynous or they want to be able to mix secondary and tertiary gender expression as they see fit (hence femme makeup, dress, pearls and a beard)
>>6464121
They are not trans activists. They are cis and their "activism" does nothing but encourage harm to real trans people's well being. I'm sure you love the all-encompassing feel good ideology but that helps no one. It's probably hard for you gendermemers to face reality but reality is what needs to be accepted in order to improve care for people who experience gender dysphoria.
>>6464145
The person in the OP doesn't fit any of those criteria. He has no problem being seen as a man. He has no intention of being the "other gender".
I wouldn't call my post a big reaction when I was simply stating a fact, on the other hand you seem to be getting all emotional.
>>6464196
He's not trying to be the other gender. They're trying to be an alternative gender different from their assigned gender. Therein lies the difference.
They certainly meet 4 and 6; a strong desire to be genderqueer and a strong conviction that they have the typical feelings of being genderqueer. That still counts under DSM-V.
I'm not getting emotional, I'm literally half-shitposting while I wait for the petrol station to open so I can buy cigarettes. You however are trying to deflect the fact you're getting emotional by accusing me of being the one getting emotional.
>>6464215
I made one post in response to you stating a fact. There wasn't any emotion involved.
Also there's no such thing as an "alternative gender".
>>6464229
A bunch of non-western societies would disagree with you on that front, along with trans activists, and of course medical professionals who as previously discussed will recognise non-binary identities and assist people in transitioning to them. Quite a few departments in the British Government now accept Mx instead of Mr or Miss/Ms/Mrs, and there are campaigns to use it in America too.
I think what you meant to say is that you don't recognise alternative genders.
how can you have gender dysphoria about being seen as male and then have a beard
how does having female style hair and clothing alleviate dysphoria enough that a beard is no problem.
cant wrap my head around it sorry
>>6460478
Oh my fucking god, burn this video to the ground.
>cisgender people experience gender dysphoria
>women who aren't beautiful experience gender dysphoria
>dysphoria is social, not physical
>he ends the video by basically saying what a TERF would say -- "let's not change our bodies. let's change society"
Why do so many "queer" people seem to sound less like LGBT-activists and more like the TERFs and radical Christians they think they're arguing against.
>>6464254
None of that hogwash proves the existence of an alternative gender.
>>6464254
These "third genders" are universally just "a guy that acts in a feminine role" or "a girl that acts in a masculine role".
I.e. these "third genders" are really just a form of sexism, where we act like your hobbies and personality can make you more or less of a man/woman.
>>6464300
Well, it's considered as medically valid as a binary trans person, and it's rapidly becoming legally valid too, so that kinda means it has come into existence
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>6464304
In other words, it's just semantics. One person's "I'm a man who doesn't feel comfortable with being a man but needs to behave like this instead, even though there is a large social penalty for doing so" is another's "genderqueer". There's little point getting into a discussion about how gender is a subjective social construct because you won't listen, but it is.
>>6464304
>These "third genders" are universally just "a guy that acts in a feminine role" or "a girl that acts in a masculine role".
what do you think trannies were before we got technology
like, what do you think a 14th century tranny was
>>6464328
The problem is when these people make statements like "gender dysphoria isn't about your body", and talk about being transgender because of social roles.
It's also problematic, because being transgender shouldn't have anything to do with your personality or gender roles or hobbies. Sure it's semantics, but when a genderqueer person is compared to a trans woman or a trans man, it implies that trans women/men only exist because of social pressures and choice. It's delegitimizing.
I'd be a lot less annoyed at non-binary people if they didn't call themselves transgender, or at least made a clear distinction between those of us who require medical intervention for our bodies, and those who don't.
>>6464343
How does that mean anything? Just because they can't fix the problem doesn't mean they don't have physical dysphoria.
There's a difference between a tomboy and a trans man.
>>6464328
Something being recognized by what you deem an authority doesn't make it a real provable thing.
Gender isn't a social construct. You are born as one gender or the other. There is evidence of this, it's not an imaginary thing like your alternative gender is.
>>6464361
>The problem is when these people make statements like "gender dysphoria isn't about your body", and talk about being transgender because of social roles.
Gender dysphoria isn't necessarily about your body. To beat a dead horse, DSM-5, clinical definition only requires two of those things, that is the literal clinical definition of gender dysphoria etc etc etc
It should not be suggested that binary trans people are the result of social pressures nor should the idea of physical dysphoria be dismissed, but genderqueer people are trans in a meaningful way; transgender but not transsexual (which is a term that has fallen out of use, but more descriptive)
>>6464385
"Genderqueer" people are not trans at all. They're cis people who like playing dress up.
>>6464366
You're thinking of sex. Gender is a separate beast, and outside of the modern day West there's a plethora of examples that were considered neither men nor women. You can deliberately interpret those roles through a modern western lens as "girly men" or "manly women" or "binary trans person" but those societies would not understand that as such and their interpretation is not invalidated because you think differently.
If you would care to link me to some evidence that there are only two immutable genders, I'm all ears. It's surprising that the DSM (which is what all western psychologists "deem an authority", btw) would overlook such compelling evidence.
>>6464397
Nope, that's factually incorrect. They're diagnosable as gender dysphoric, and will be helped to transition to a non binary identity which can then be legally recognised. Some genderqueer people even experience physical dysphoria, if that sways you.
It's a bit like saying trans women who aren't dysphoric about their penis aren't trans, or trans women who don't pass and aren't so dysphoric about not passing that they've killed themselves aren't trans.
>>6464366
>Gender isn't a social construct
To be fair, it really is. Gender is a social construct, built on-top of biological sex. When we talk about transgender people being born as a 'different gender', what we're really saying is 'being born with a predisposition to experience gender dysphoria', or, in short, 'having a different "brain sex"'.
In reality, it all comes back to biological sex, even if some aspects of it are less visible/obvious than others.
>>6464385
So? I'm disagreeing with the DSM-5 clinical definition. I believe that whatever form of dysphoria someone who is gender non-conforming experiences is vastly different to the form of gender dysphoria someone who is transsexual experiences. You could call them "social dysphoria" and "physical dysphoria", but those terms are already being used in a weird way right now (people tend to use 'social dysphoria' to refer to circumstances that remind of/trigger physical dysphoria).
>but genderqueer people are trans in a meaningful way; transgender but not transsexual
I'd be agreeable to this if it wasn't so confusing for the general public. The number of people I've heard talking about both transgender and transsexual people like they're "people who wish they were wolves" is astoundingly high. When we conflate gender non-conforming individuals with transgender/transsexual individuals, we invite sexist comparisons, and public scrutiny.
I can only consider someone who's genderqueer as gender non-conforming. I cannot see myself considering them transgender, nor do I think they should be considered as such.
>>6464403
Gender and sex are one in the same. Although gender can more accurately describe your brain sex, there are only two genders.
Your appropriation of underdeveloped cultures so called third genders doesn't prove the existence of alternative genders.
The burden of proof is on you to provide evidence of an alternative gender.
>>6464413
You can't medically transition to a "non binary identity" because all that requires is a trip to your mum's closet. In order to be trans you need to transition. Gendermemers are cis in all ways.
>>6464416
Superb. Thank you.
So that person in OPs pic and video is not even a hon.
>>6464416 (me)
>>6464413
>Some genderqueer people even experience physical dysphoria
This does interest me, though. All the studies I've read on 'brain sex' suggest that (at least in the case of trans women) the studied part of the brain isn't necessarily identical to that of a cis woman, but rather, only *similar* to it.
This does convince me that people may experience gender dysphoria towards different aspects of their sex, based on the degree of masculinization to their brain. (I.e. as you said, a trans woman who doesn't experience dysphoria towards their genitalia, or a non-binary identified person who experiences dysphoria towards some sexed traits, but not all of them).
However, that's the only plausible theory I can make for transgender non-binary genders. I firmly believe that without an immutably physical component, the person is "merely" gender non-conforming.
>>6464439
>This does convince me that people may experience gender dysphoria towards different aspects of their sex, based on the degree of masculinization to their brain.
Yeah, that's a good thought. But there must be a minimum of gender dysphoria! It's impossible to be "biologically inclined" to follow the social construct "female" and accordingly wanting to wear woman's clothes and ALSO being "biologically inclined" to be perfectly fine with presenting a three-day-stubble!
>>6464475
The person in the video isn't medically transitioning (nor does it appear they have any desire to), they explicitly state that their "dysphoria" was "wanting to participate in traditionally feminine roles, but being saddened by the discrimination against men who do these things", and they experience *zero* sex dysphoria.
For fuck's sake, they compare gender dysphoria to "not feeling very attractive". Stop trolling and trying to defend them.
>>6464475
The whole point is that they're not trying to follow the social construct "female", they're existing in the space inbetween. There can often be some sort of deliberate "look how much I don't care about social constructs, ~smash the patriarchy~" but it's not always the case. It's like how shrinks in the 70s would claim trans women who weren't high femme and attracted exclusively to men weren't really trans, because all women are heterosexual and wear dresses and high heels (even though plenty of cis women do not fit into that category)
>>6464493
>The whole point is that they're not trying to follow the social construct "female", they're existing in the space inbetween.
I strongly disagree. Nobody wants to look like a woman with a beard except attention-whores.
>It's like how shrinks in the 70s would claim trans women who weren't high femme and attracted exclusively to men weren't really trans, because all women are heterosexual and wear dresses and high heels (even though plenty of cis women do not fit into that category)
Nah, that's different. Legit transsexuals were unlegitimately excluded in the past, but that does not mean we have to include every person, who is wearing clothes of the opposite sex.
>>6464075
>and they don't have to include physical dysphoria
5/6 of those criteria are about physical, body dysphoria.
>a strong desire to be treated as the other gender
This is being treated as if people see you as male or female, based on your physical appearance.
The guy in the OP does not qualify for "gender dysphoria", and actually doesn't' fill a single criteria.
>>6464493
>how shrinks in the 70s would claim trans women who weren't high femme and attracted exclusively to men weren't really trans, because all women are heterosexual and wear dresses and high heels (even though plenty of cis women do not fit into that category)
Doesn't this disprove your point, though? If women and men aren't just walking stereotypes, then why is this guy any less of a guy for wearing feminine clothes and makeup?
Just because he doesn't act typically of a man doesn't mean he's really half man, half woman. He's just a feminine guy. Hell, twenty years ago, we'd just call him gay.
>>6464215
>He's not trying to be the other gender. They're trying to be an alternative gender different from their assigned gender. Therein lies the difference.
No? He doesn't take hormones, or go through any surgeries, so he's not trying to change his sex.
There are two uses of gender, one is gender identity, and the other is synonymous to sex.
You can't use your tumblr definitions on this, they have their own definitions and follow those.
>>6464632
When transgender people use gender identity, they're using it in the context of changing their sex.
When cisgender people (this guy) use gender identity, they're using it in the (sexist) context of acting more like a stereotypical guy or girl.
Which of these uses of 'gender identity' makes more sense? Which should we be encouraging?
I don't want to live in a world where in order to be a 'real' woman, you have to fulfill every sexist trope under the sun. Nor do I believe that a woman who doesn't act like a walking stereotype should be considered "non-binary" or "genderqueer", or compared to transgender people with physical dysphoria.
>>6463498
>>6464397
how soon until trannies turn against psychs and the DSM as soon as other groups get the same pandering?
Why is it okay to call yourself transgender if you don't have gender dysphoria?
Why would you ever be okay with some trendy faggot trivializing you?
>>6464413
>non binary identity
No such thing, sorry my dude.
Only two genders :)
>>6465491
This. It's like those tumblr girls who claim to have DID and have their own "headmates"
It's insulting as fuck.
>>6463843
I don't care about fucking hon's advocating for the trans community. As long as they are actually transsexuals. And know what the fuck they are talking about. They can do whatever they want.
I know I pass and go stealth and live my life as a girl and I don't care about people calling me self proclaimed. I know how I get perceived in my daily life. I just browse these forums from time to time cause this is where I "grew" up, and want to help out on girls who were in my position 2 years ago.
But people like the guy in the video is absolute cancer. He is not a transsexual, he does not suffer from genderdysphoria like we do he's just a dude who wants to do whatever he wants because he is a genderqueer. Its a total misrepresentation of transsexuals all over the world. People like this made me afraid as a kid on what it means to be transsexual. I didnt associate myself with this kind of trash, I felt like wanting to have a girl body, not growing up as a guy with a beard in a girl dress. Do you even know how much body hair triggers dysphoria?
>>6465491
The guy isnt even trans he's "genderqueer". NBC brought the wrong person out to do a piece about gender dysphoria which is only for transpeople.
Its the equivalent of bringing out a mexican to talk about the civil rights movement and he starts rambling about spanish not being respected.
>Ad about Mercedes Benz featuring a gay couple
We have truly achieved equality now that the Jews view us as a valid segment of the population to market consumer goods to.
Also, I am not buff and ripped male, so that means I have gender dysphoria guys. BRB getting hormones.
>>6463979
>>6464007
>>6464075
This disagreement is because of the problem with defining the word "trans", which is why everyone should stop using that word and expecting it to have a narrow definition which everyone somehow knows without being told. Even just going off the word itself without taking into account common usage it's incredibly vague. The person in the video is trans, but they are not transsexual and they do not experience gender dysphoria worthy of medical treatment. They also clearly don't understand what gender dysphoria is, because:
>Amongst many other things they do wrong, they conflate "gender dysphoria" with "dissatisfaction with one's body based on gender-specific societal standards". Gender dysphoria would be a male feeling bad about being male and having masculine features; by their definition a cis man who feels inadequate for being too short or not handsome enough would have gender dysphoria, which is outright wrong and incredibly misleading at best, and using a definition that broad makes the term practically meaningless.
>>6465636
>The person in the video is trans, but they are not transsexual
Trans is short of transsexual, you cannot be trans without being transsexual.
Using a different definition of trans, to apply to yourself, is appropriation.
>>6460478
Real trans people must unite!
>>6465740
Right, and the "trans" in "transsexual" comes from "transition" ugh... I hate trans-trenders. "I'm trans but I don't intend to transtion" THEN YOUR NOT FUCKING TRANS.
>>6465871
I always saw it as transcendant, but I'm a Galli and I like starve and cut myself for religion so whatevs.
I also have a weird mystical period and stuff, just like a cis girl, only it's out of my "boipussi"
>>6465908
>wat.jpg
>>6463680
That's what trans people say all the time.
Some parts of their brain like homosexuals are like the opposite sex, but they don't have an opposite sex brain.
>>6469090
>Some parts of their brain like homosexuals are like the opposite sex, but they don't have an opposite sex brain.
It's a LOT of parts though. So far I've seen studies listing like a dozen different metrics showing that trans people are either within normal cis ranges for their identified gender, or halfway in between, while only one or two metrics yield normal readings for their birth-assigned genders. The physical brain structure of trans women may not be completely female, but it is more female than male.
>>6460657
I couldn't even make it 5 seconds into the video. You're depressing as fuck to look at and your voice hurts my ears.
>>6470533
sources?
>>6462449
Genderqueer is bullshit by attention seeking fags
>>6469090
>opposite sex brain
This confuses so many people. It's not that the entire brain is like the opposite sex. Most of the brain isn't even sexed to begin with.
It's about key areas of the brain, which scientists believed were affected by sexual differentiation in the womb, being different from their natal sex. Said scientists discovered these regions differed significantly between cisgender men/women, and transgender women/men, while appearing similar when comparing cisgender men/women with transgender men/women.
Scientists believe these areas are key in sexual determination, and the source of transgender peoples' gender dysphoria.
It'd be fair to assume that gay people experience a similar form of atypical sexual development in the womb -- only, instead of the areas responsible for gender dysphoria being incorrectly affected during sexual differentiation, only the areas for sexual attraction were.
>>6470994
Here you go:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25720349
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26429593
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0085914
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0083947
http://cercor.oxfordjournals.org/content/21/11/2525.long
http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.85.5.6564
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25667367
>>6464640
Holy shit thank you
>>6471169
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25720349
>Our findings thus indicate that GM distribution and regional volumes in GD adolescents are largely in accordance with their respective natal sex. However, there are subtle deviations from the natal sex in sexually dimorphic structures, which can represent signs of a partial sex-atypical differentiation of the brain.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26429593
>For a number of sexually dimorphic brain structures or processes, signs of feminisation or masculinisation are observable in transsexual individuals, which, during hormonal treatment, partly seem to further adjust to characteristics of the desired sex.
>As the prevalence of homosexuality is markedly higher among transsexuals than among the general population, disentangling correlates of sexual orientation and gender identity is a major problem.
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0085914
explain this one? doesn't appear relevant
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0083947
>These results support the notion that structural brain differences exist between transsexual and healthy control subjects and that majority of these structural differences are dependent on the biological gender.
>>6471169
http://cercor.oxfordjournals.org/content/21/11/2525.long
>... None of these measures differed between [heterosexual males] and [male-to-female transsexuals]. [male-to-female transsexuals] displayed also singular features and differed from both control groups by ...
>The present data do not support the notion that brains of MtF-TR are feminized.
http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.85.5.6564
>In the present study, we show regardless of sexual orientation: 1) a sex difference in SOM neuron numbers in the human BSTc, with males having almost twice as many SOM neurons as females; 2) a number of SOM neurons in the BSTc of male-to-female transsexuals in the female range; and 3) an opposite pattern in the BSTc of a female-to-male transsexual with a SOM neuron number in the male range.
finally something that may support the claims
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25667367
essentially says transgender brains are different from non-transgender brains
so, there's really very little evidence to support the claims in >>6470533
>>6460624
>>6463352
>>6463905
My experience was growing up and information given to me was that gender dysphoria was literally constantly wanting to remove parts of your body, and destroying it to try to fix it and constantly being on the verge of suicide
>"i cant be trans"
>#tbt to me at 10 years old "So mom when am I going to grow a penis so I can pee standing up like daddy?"
>hated body but not to the point that I couldnt get out a bed "cant be gender dysphoria then" says therapist
>"well you haven't tried cutting off your chest so it cant be that bad"
I think it's more of an over push now to reverse some of the issues that have resulted from being too tight on the requirements to be diagnosed, and it's gone too far.
>>6463148
>>6464428
This. SJWs often use the example of the hijra in India, but they're actually still considered men.
>>6478930
Jej
