>AGP questions and answers
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>What is AGP?
Autogynephilia, from Greek αὐτό- ("self"), γυνή ("woman") and φιλία ("love")
Broadly, arousal to the thought of being a woman. It can take many forms - being aroused at imagining or seeing yourself with a female body, dressing in clothes that make you appear feminine, acting in stereotypical "feminine" ways, or others.
>Isn't AGP just discredited pseudoscience?
No, you might be thinking of Blanchard's Typology, which includes the idea of AGP. Regardless of whether or not you agree with Blanchard's ideas, AGP is very real to the people who experience it.
>I'm AGP, does this mean I'm not trans?
No, you can be AGP and trans.
>Aren't you all just trannies in denial?
Some people with AGP will go on to transition, while others are content with incorporating it into their sex life or simply the occasional indulgence. It varies greatly in intensity. If AGP consumes a lot of your mental energy or causes you lots of distress, it is probably worth asking more questions.
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>>6371709
>get really high
>crossdress
>start fapping
>thinking of progressively more gross and masc men fucking me as my dick gets smaller and smaller until it's a clit
>cum super hard i think i'm gonna pass out
>feel really gross
Very, very disconcerting. I do not like this one bit
>>6458395
Used to shame masturbate all the time. Having a fucked up fantasy doesn't mean you really want something like that to happen, you know? A lot of people have fantasies about being raped.
>>6458821
That's all well and good but when it happens so much it really seems to become a part of you, and it's exhausting having it on your mind so much
Sounds like a fetish adapted into a lifestyle, not any worse than most related genders or whatever the fuck these are.
I usually fap in such a manner, and commiting to a relationship doing it all the sounds cheesy and romantic. I like it! Hope some of you strike gold itt.
>Taking estrogen increases the risk of blood clots. Blood clots can cause death, permanent lung damage (clot in the lungs), permanent brain damage (stroke), heart attack, or chronic problems with the veins in your legs. risk of blood clots is much higher for smokers, especially those who are age 40 or higher. The danger is so high that some doctors will not prescribe estrogen if you are a smoker; most will only prescribe you a low dose as long as you are still smoking. The risk of blood clots may be reduced by taking estrogen via skin patch, cream, or gel (rather than pill/injection) and also by using a lower dose of estrogen.
>Taking estrogen changes the way your body metabolizes and stores fat. Taking estrogen can increase deposits of fat around your internal organs, which is associated with increased risk for diabetes and heart disease. Estrogen also increases the risk of gallstones, which can block your gallbladder. If you have chest or abdominal pain, you should see a medical professional right away
Do I really want to risk this for some short term fetish gain ?
I wanted to try self-medding HRT for like 3 or 4 months just to get a taste for it and maybe develop a slightly more feminine figure without committing to full trannyhood but I'm not sure if the risks are really worth it.
>>6459737
If this is nothing more than a fetish for you then absolutely not. If you've developed actual dysphoria and want to be a woman for non-sexual reasons despite having AGP then yes.
>>6460164
it's a strong fetish tho
>>6460183
Risking your health for something like that is not sensible. If it develops beyond that then that's another story.
>>6460781
Are you talking about strogens senpai
>>6459737
Look up the side effects or risks of the next pill you take for a headache
>>6459737
Blood clots are only really a risk for hons starting hrt at 50.
>>6460781
Positive though: estrogen preserves your brain during traumatic brain injury and old age.
>>6459737
First, you're not going to get much feminization for 3-4 months and you won't keep any of it after. That's not to say you couldn't try it to see how it makes you feel (and I don't necessarily mean the "wow I started hormones yesterday and I feel AMAZING now wow they work do great!!!" meme). But it seems like I was where you were several months ago, and I'm still on them despite some attempts to stop, although I haven't stopped for months at this point. You may be opening a box you can't close, it feels like I did. I may have turned myself tranny, or simply am too weak to resist the fetish. Maybe you're stronger than I am though.
>>6461756
That must be one of the many reasons why women tend to live longer than men.
>>6462593
that and the lack of drive to do stupid shit at high speed.
Why are the overwhelming majority of AGP male? I'm thinking it has to do with men's rigid role's when it comes to sex with women. I think the average man is terrified of exploring his sexuality because he might come off as gay or less masculine to his partner (or society), so he restrains himself by only being dominant, never moaning and remaining stoic etc. Living vicariously through the submissive females is how they cope with that.
>>6463890
AGP is by definition something males do; when a woman does it it's called "being a woman". Or were you thinking of AAP?
>>6463920
AGP isn't just women's sexuality. Women don't stand in front of the mirror rubbing themselves to how feminine they look
>>6463920
your right that was a mistake, i meant to say there are more cases of Autogynephilia than autoandrophilia. thanks
>>6463942
some women do feel hot when they dress up in sexy lingerie and stuff tho
>>6463890
>>6463951
We don't know the exact percentage actually. One contributing factor to the lack of knowledge of AAP being a thing is that the person who came up with AGP doesn't believe that AAP even exist, despite the existence of self-professed AAPs. Most 4chan users are male and this thread in specific is dedicated to AGP (though I wanted to make it a general A*P thread some asshole objected and made it early..) so you're bound to get a skewed result.
>>6463942
>>6464022
I feel that this is an extremely common question people fail to grasp the nuance of.
Actual women can get turned on by the thought of being themselves or another woman in a sex-related situation. Wearing lingerie in preparation for an encounter and being turned on by that is in effect being turned on by the thought of being attractive for your mate. Feeling this by itself does not make for an AGP fantasy.
Autogynephiles feel turned on by their own "femininity", whatever that means to them. Usually having a feminine body, being treated like a woman, wearing women's clothing or doing other things which are in their mind intensely feminine. This often comes down to stereotypes because that's how humans work in the aggregate. An AGP wearing lingerie might get turned on for a profoundly different reason than a normative woman does. They get turned on by how feminine it is of them to wear lingerie rather than how they look for their mate.
A further complicating factor is that you can have people for whom AGP is just a sexual thing along with people who BOTH have AGP as well as actual dysphoria and the need to become a woman for non-sexual reasons relating to feeling uncomfortable in their own skin. I think it is extremely easy - and dangerous - for one type to confuse themselves for the other. Hell, a non-AGP transwoman might confuse herself for being AGP because she has the former fantasy of the kind cis women have.
>>6464152
This
>>6461715
Not to mention that our information on HRT risks may be inaccurate. Way back when they didn't use AA just high doses of estrogen and they used premarin(horse piss) which has a much higher risk.
>>6463890
This, but there may be something unique about the male brain and testosterone that causes it.
>>6463942
Not exactly, but I have a suspicion that some women exhibit a weaker form of AGP. Ever notice how some women really play up their femininity? I think some of them get psychological pleasure out of being women, which when a male does it becomes AGP.
>woman talks in a bubbly girly fashion=woman
>man talks in a bubbly girly fashion because thats what women do=AGP
>womens wears high heels because she likes being sexy and femme=woman
>man wears high heels because thats what women do=AGP
>>6464152
Lol very true.
I'm feelings feelings.
>>6466353
wanna talk about them
Ya'll should read this it's an excellent resource
https://sillyolme.wordpress.com/faq-on-the-science/
>>6469069
When I first started doing research on AGP I ran into a lot of sites and works which felt extremely one-sided, to the point where I found them more or less useless. Serano's site was one. This site another. When you can see the author is more interested in a narrative than science they probably don't have anything worthwhile to say. They post the studies they like and fail the mention the ones they do not.
>>6470212
What's "wrong" about that site and its sources? Seems eerily similar in many places to my concerns about my AGP, right down to it being a huge warning flag that should send any sensible female partner running for the hills. That bugs me a lot. I wish I could get rid of this but I don't have much in the way of sexual instinct to begin with. If I could "cure" my AGP I don't know what would be left of it.
>>6470832
first let me say that I think blanchard is probably correct on at least some things, and I have a generally favorable view of his paper. I wish it were more acceptable to talk and do follow up research about his work and AGP.
the most glaring bias that I can see with the article is that it's presented as fact, not as the description of one theory about transsexualism and autogynephilia. that is,
>Learning an uncomfortable truth is better than believing a comforting lie. –Kay Brown
>What causes transsexuality and how many types of transsexuals are there?
>Short answer: Two types/causes (taxons/etiologies) for each natal sex, extreme lifelong gender atypicality vs. erotic target identity inversion.
I didn't read the whole thing because honestly I don't need another rehash of blanchard's typology. maybe I'll skim it to see if there's anything novel there, but I don't have high hopes
>>6470832
I read it a while back so I don't quite remember the specifics. I just remember a lot of strawmen, failure to account for research the writer didn't like and in general an attempt to present a specific narrative instead of the contrasting views of different scientists. I felt it was similar to Serano's work in the way it picked a conclusion and built everything around it.
>masturbate
>cum
>hate myself
>want to die
xInf
>>6469069
>>6470832
Ah yes sillyolhon. Her site is good, better than any TERF bullshit, but I get the feeling she is a bit condescending towards AGPs. Also she claims her site is really meant to help HSTS. As if boys who play with barbie dolls in 2016 need any help transitioning. Meanwhile teenage boys who contract a wierd psychosexual disorder their scared to talk about, few people understand and officially doesn't exsist, fuck em right?
>>6470832
Yes her site hits close to home. I cannot ever have an LTR with a woman, because I don't know what will happen as I age. It seems that AGPs go nuts as they age and their "bell rings" so to speak.
>>6470922
That's my problem with Kay, AGP is presented as fact rather than an excellent theory. Back in 2005 WPATH got sick of that theory and Blanchard. Other than a few loud AGP transwomen who threw a fit, there was no massive SJW trans juggernaut like we have today.
>>6473089
>I get the feeling she is a bit condescending towards AGPs.
I do as well.
>Also she claims her site is really meant to help HSTS. As if boys who play with barbie dolls in 2016 need any help transitioning.
That's a good point.
>Meanwhile teenage boys who contract a wierd psychosexual disorder their scared to talk about, few people understand and officially doesn't exsist, fuck em right?
I'll be honest here, as a trans girl with AGP, it's odd to me some of you say you had no inkling of the desire to be a girl until puberty/teenage years, whether sexual or not.
>Yes her site hits close to home. I cannot ever have an LTR with a woman, because I don't know what will happen as I age. It seems that AGPs go nuts as they age and their "bell rings" so to speak.
Why not jump ahead of the curve? If you know it's coming it's better to take action now.
>>6473172
>I'll be honest here, as a trans girl with AGP, it's odd to me some of you say you had no inkling of the desire to be a girl until puberty/teenage years, whether sexual or not.
Likewise, its odd to hear AGP girls say they had this before puberty. I did have some effeminiate traits mind you, but I enjoyed boyhood and never even considered being a girl. Once I started masturbating to porno mags at 11 and intensly wanting to be a lesbian, that was it...
>Why not jump ahead of the curve? If you know it's coming it's better to take action now.
I've strongly considered this, I need to be in much better physical shape to counteract the effects of HRT. Also need lots of money for laser, I got a full beard and a decent amount of body hair. Strangely, I still feel like I want to spend more time with my current self before I let the AGP reaper come for me. I only had a severe dysphoria attack at 30, after repressing for a few years prior, now that I'm fully awake I want to see how this develops.
>>6473172
>I'll be honest here, as a trans girl with AGP, it's odd to me some of you say you had no inkling of the desire to be a girl until puberty/teenage years, whether sexual or not.
Same. I was pretty comfortable calling myself a boy, even through my teenage years I was doing 'manly' things and enjoying it. The only thing that drew me towards femininity was my sexuality and masturbation. Eventually it got to the point where I was seeking out random dudes from the internet to fuck me and I got increasingly concerned about my masculinizing body. The only reason I got on HRT was because I wanted to stay soft and feminine for longer, all in tandem with my MEF
>>6473172
it turns out that I did have some instances when I was still really young, but I was far too self-conscious even then to ever say anything about it
>>6475383
Which posts are yours? I was the same about hiding it.
Since there is no trivial way to get rid of your AGP, is there a healthy way to incorporate it in your life? Or is it stupid like asking for a healthy way to incorporate cancer rather than getting rid of it?
>>6475592
Well you can't get rid of AGP, unlike most cancers, so it's not quite the same
The only way is to minimize your use of it, maybe cross dressing once in a while to really scratch the itch. I think the only real way to incorporate it into your life is to go on HRT, it'll make you feel good and reduce your libido which will curb that AGP desire. The price is infertility and some breast tissue
>>6475592
>healthy way
Not really
>>6475592
Crossdressing?
>>6473172
>I'll be honest here, as a trans girl with AGP, it's odd to me some of you say you had no inkling of the desire to be a girl until puberty/teenage years, whether sexual or not.
Not that person but it took me forever to realize anything was up. I obsessed over the idea of boys becoming girls since the age of 4 but I also distinctly remember thinking of myself as a boy. At 12 I started masturbating to the idea and aside from one or two occasions it was all I ever masturbated to. I felt extremely unhappy slightly before that started happening but I couldn't ever really figure out the reason. The depressive bouts lasted all the way through my teenage years. With time I started to have to convince myself ever more desperately that this thing is just a fetish and I'm normal but the desire to become a woman eventually appeared and intensified slowly but steadily. I've only started confronting all of this some 3 years ago, at 22.
I don't think I could ever enter a relationship as a man but transitioning might not be right for me either. My desire to do so feels, in a way, fake. I yearn for it in a variety of contexts, often unrelated to sex, but I almost inevitably get turned on by any thought related to transitioning. I find my own arousal to dreams of a happy life pretty disturbing. Enough to doubt myself and remain as I am.
>>6476617
so what are you gonna do then
>>6476939
Repress F O R E V E R and focus on my career.
>>6476968
sounds great, hun!!
>>6477025
Yeah I bet that plan will work out without a hitch.
I don't know if I'm AGP or genuinely dysphoric, help
And to complicate matters, I'm more likely to be dysphoric if transitioning is realistic for me, and more inclined towards AGP if reversable transitioning (the quite frankly mythical gender fluid) is realistic for me.
>>6478393
probably both
>>6478393
It's all about your sexuality.
Personally, I takes me about 5mn when I fap to normal porn and 2~3mn when it's to AGp related stuff, that's how I know I've got AGP.
But I wouldn't want to be a girl full-time, it's too much trouble.
Perhaps you could try playing on your libido, thinking about it just after fapping or stopping for a moment.
I'm trying to get rid or at least minimize my AGP, I've come up with a thing or two :
1) Controlling my sexuality : when fapping, using normal (straight porn) and not feeding my fetishes.
That way I hope thinking less about AGP related stuff.
2) Having a male model : cultivating an idea of a man I want to look like in the futur; not a real one, an idealization of how I want to look like, as a man.
3) Stimulating the feminine me (not sexually) : I believe there is some kind of a feminine part in me, unconsciously. I want to let it get out, let it express itself as I do when crossdressing or fapping, but in a healthy way, which doesn't imply sex, so I can get eventually to a normal sexuality and perhaps stop crossdressing(most of the time at least)
What do you think ? I may sound like I'm daydreaming, but I tried lots of time stopping it, I believe I kinda know what works and what doesn't.
>>6479466
Tbh this sounds like exactly what a tranny trying to repress gender dysphoria would be doing. Especially the the male model thing, sounds exactly like one of those trannies that joins the military or gets ripped to try to be happy with themselves as a man.
>>6479396
>AGP and dysphoria all boils down to what kind of porno you nut off to
sounds legit. is that a Blanchard theory?
>>6481248
I'm not them, but I would hate to get even slightly ripped although I'm pretty sure I repress hard in other ways.
>>6479466
I think conceptualising aspects of yourself as individual and self-contained things is inaccurate, and when you try to compartmentalise them like you're doing it's unhealthy and unproductive. The "feminine you" isn't some discrete entity that needs to be appeased and will leave you alone if you do so; it's an inseparable part of you. The same applies for your sexuality.
>an idealization of how I want to look like, as a man.
What's your ideal without restricting it to being a given gender? Would your ideal self be male or female?
>1) Controlling my sexuality : when fapping, using normal (straight porn) and not feeding my fetishes.
This is exactly like gay people who force themselves to fap to straight porn to turn themselves straight (unsuccessfully).
What are you hoping to accomplish by reducing your AGP?
how do I stop feeling the feels help
>>6483246
cut off ur dick
>>6481567
Not the guy you're replying to, but I want to get rid of my AGP because I think it's very selfish. My "ideal self" is a very androgynous woman; I find "girl culture" equally as baffling as "guy culture," and fashion and whatnot falls into those. Transition wouldn't change anything for how I act other than being more comfortable with my sexual needs. I don't really see any major differences between what makes a man a good man and a woman a good woman other than the fact that men are, frankly, expendable. I don't really think my life belongs to me; it belongs to others, and I have to put them first because if I won't help shoulder people's problems, who will? A female body would be a purely selfish desire since I find it aesthetically pleasing and it's more suited to being a "bottom," so to speak. At the same time, I know I could never get that kind of body since I grew up looking like a fat linebacker and only recently started getting anywhere near normal size, and even now you could land the space shuttle on my shoulders.
I feel like pining over AGP stuff and a female body is a waste of time. I don't outright hate being male, I just hate my body for reasons unrelated to genitalia. Besides, I honestly don't think transition would change anything but make me look selfish by throwing everyone else's lives into disarray. The only thing more selfish I can think of is suicide, and my personal sense of duty to the people I care about wont let me do either. Basically, I feel like AGP not only threatens to get in the way of the things I have to do by making me doubt my decisions, it actively prevents me from enjoying one of the few facets in life in which I feel my own self interests actually matter - intimate sexual relationships.
(Sorry if this doesn't make sense, I'm exhausted and writing on a phone)
>>6483833
>I don't really think my life belongs to me; it belongs to others, and I have to put them first because if I won't help shoulder people's problems, who will?
you need to get over this nonsense tbqfhwyf
that's not to say you have to transition, but goddamn
>>6483833
>I don't really think my life belongs to me; it belongs to others
I can't really comment on anything else but I think that's a fucked up sentiment. A person belongs to themselves and only to themselves. You did not ask to be born into this world. You only get to live once and briefly. If you choose to spend that time helping others that's well and good but ultimately your life is your own.
If you can't transition convincingly then that's that but I think that one can both pursue their own happiness and help others. In general individuals are more effective when they're not constantly feeling like shit. You can better help others if you first help yourself.
>>6483896
>You only get to live once and briefly.
Funny that you mention that, because that's a big reason *why* I feel the way I do about my role in life. People these days like to go "lol YOLO do what makes you feel good," but I've seen that backfire spectacularly all too often. My view is completely different - you only live once, so don't fuck up, because you might not have time to fix it.
I don't see how that's all that fucked up, and this isn't the first time I've been told that. People need stability in their lives and, at least among the people I know, nobody else gives it but me. My parents need the straight-laced, modest son so they don't feel they failed raising kids, my siblings need their elder brother who provides the only consistency in the family during multiple divorces, and my friends need the cishet guy who's doing well, and always says and does things in line with a consistent set of principles in an inconsistent part of everyone's lives, so I give them that. Thats why I hate the idea of indulging in such bizarre fantasies; if anyone found out, the respect I've built would be gone overnight. That's part of why I have these fantasies in the first place; I want a chance to act out and be inconsistent in my own actions, saying and doing things without worrying about whether or not they're consistent with what people expect of me.
Young women are allowed to do that. Men aren't, but most do anyway. Someone has to be that rock, that arrow that says "this way up" so people can reorient themselves when the world flips them over. If I break expectations, especially on something as critical to public perception as sexual motives or identity, I take that away from the people I care about, and I absolutely don't want to do that.
>>6483997
You value the needs of other people. Why don't you value your own? Are you less valuable as a human? Should those people, too, value the needs of others over their own? If everyone were to sacrifice themselves for others how could anyone be happy?
I don't mean to be a dick but you are not the messiah. You are in all probability not the center of the lives of these people. You want to help them and that's good. Ultimately, though, what you want for these people is for them to behave *unlike you* and place their own happiness high on their priority list. One cannot be happy if they do not make at least some effort to pursue their happiness on their own. It is rare for a depressed person to be in any way effectual.
There are a lot of valid reasons not to transition but this is not one. It sounds like an excuse dressed up as a fantasy where you get to be the martyr hero.
>>6476617
http://deploy.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/5788347/#5788347
I don't know what your circumstances are, but you might benefit from transition if you are intensely AGP. This source is an older post by an AGP transwoman, reading it might help you. I'm also AGP, and my desire to transition has also gotten worse, and I thought it was helpful to know that their was someone else who was in the same circumstances as me who transitioned and turned out fine.
>>6481567
My ideal self, well I've got kinda both, one man and one woman, but I want to go for the man one. I don't mean to reject the female one, perhaps I will try to make it real, but not on myself.
As for sexuality, gay people aren't straight people with just a fetish, there entire sexuality is oriented toward men, so of course fapping to woman doesn't work.
But I'm straight, and I've got a fetish about woman stuff (like clothes), see the difference ? I can fap to straight porn, it's just less fun. But perhaps I eventually get to like it.
>>6484112
http://deploy.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/5788347
Thought I'd repost the link, because the original wasn't working.
>>6484112
Thanks for trying to make me feel better. That post is very interesting. I wonder whether OP's AGP developed into a proper sexuality or was just a repression mechanism.
>>6484146
At this point it's not really possible to know, but there are two possibilities, either AGP fantasies are just a symptom of a repressed trans identity or AGP is a sexual fetish which develops into a trans identity. I personally think the first possibility is more likely, considering the level of dysphoria, shame and confusion many people with AGP have. It doesn't seem likely to me that a sexual fetish would cause someone so much distress and to question their identity.
Fuck I feel more lost then before, trying to identify myself :^(
I should try talking to psychologist or something
>>6484363
>tfw going back to a therapist tonight
she's going to have to read allll about my nasty fetish
not looking forward to it
>>6484363
Good idea. Just make sure they know what they're talking about. You are now armed with knowledge, right? Put it to use.
>>6484369
Sounds fun
>>6484363
http://transcendmovement.com/
I would recommend this website to anybody who has AGP, I personally found it useful. The author, Felix Conrad is also AGP and he talks about the subject more in depth and tries to give his own explanation as to why AGP exists, its relationship to trans identity how to deal with it.
>>6484417
>that "crossdreaming" retard
no
>>6483888
>>6483896
That's that familial indoctrination, makes you love being oppressed
>>6483997
>That's part of why I have these fantasies in the first place; I want a chance to act out and be inconsistent in my own actions
You're basically going to induce more dissonance in your head if you keep it up. I understand your desires to act 'proper' and to not disappoint your close ones, but you need to be able to apply that same principle to yourself. You don't have to transition, throw everything away, abandon your ambitions for hedonism. You can balance these things, letting yourself enjoy things but also carrying out certain responsibilities, being a productive citizen and a concerned family member. These things are not mutually exclusive
>Someone has to be that rock, that arrow that says "this way up"
Society is actively doing this all the time. You're told what is 'normal', how things 'should' go. If you have these desires to stray and you dont'... well then you're just deceiving others. Others might look up at you to know how things are 'supposed' to go, but it is entirely not the truth. If they could know your true desires, even if you still acted the same, they would understand the reality of the matter, that following a straight line path is not nearly as simple as it looks
Is this agp or some other fetish?
>>6485106
http://logs.omegle.com/296e7ee
>>6485106
Dd/lg is definitely one fetish in there, but there's too little information to say the desire to pretend to be a girl in this case was AGP or not.
>>6484085
Unless you have a wife and kids, not transitioning for the sake of your friends and family seems pointless.
You can still live a life as a transwoman similiar to the one you lead now.
I kinda get where your coming from, you desire acceptance, and being treated as a freak and a failure rather than a woman would bother you very much.
If a man transitioning was considered as valid as a girl going through puberty, I'd probably feel alot more comfortable about being a masc hon.
>>6484417
I've read that site before, interesting read. Even Blanchard referenced him once.
>>6484428
Ok seriously whats wrong with Felix Conrad, and the idea of crossdreaming in general? It's just a less sexual word for AGP.
>>6484417
I see no reason to give Felix any credibility whatsoever. He's AGP himself, and none of what he says is based on experiments, but speculation. Even he has doubts about the horseshit he espouses, as he showed in that letter to that questioning muslim MtF.
In one of his books, he tries to explain why HSTS or young transitioners, I don't remember what term he used for them, don't have AGP. Given those three earlier facts, I was not going to spend $3.74 on his wishful thinking. He likely gives something fundamentally incorrect as an explanation.
>>6484120
>see the difference ?
That's not how it works. If you want a different example, literally no sexual fetishes can be "cured" by forcing yourself to fap to vanilla porn either (or cured in general).
And likewise, many people have tried to cure their AGP by doing what you're doing, with no success.
Even if you do develop a taste for normal heterosexual porn, what makes you think that will remove your AGP?
>>6485878
It's not gonna remove it, but I'd be able to ignore that part of my sexuality
>>6486098
>ignore AGP
Please, senpai. It's your master.
>would transition if I knew I'd end up cute
>know I'll look like shit because I'm not 12
I thought I might be trans but I guess since this is the crux I'm just AGP? I dunno but it sucks and makes me want to die. What are the alternatives to killing myself?
>>6485789
I think its cool that AGPs are speaking out at least, instead of the only voices being TERFs, rightwing transphobes, or AGP trannies who swear their not AGP.
I will agree that Felix is engaging in AGP broscience.
How do you feel about Jack Molay, the man who coined crossdreaming?
>>6486523
>Wait to get a new body, either biological or cybernetic
>Wait for VR
>Read and write narratives of life as a woman. Even idealized pieces like romance novels.
>Distract yourself with a career
>Vicariously live through a girlfriend/wife (I sure hope you girls don't do this)
>Become a flaming pseudo gay so you're treated like one of the girls partially and even get invited to their baby showers and hold older mother's children
>Crossdress and get dp'd by guys off of Craigslist
>Go back to playing MMOs as a girl
>>6486574
And as we're doing these things, more research on AGPs(aka gynephilic transwomen) will be conducted. Not to mention better medical treatments and vastly improved social acceptance.
>>6486523
I just take hormones and crossdress when alone / with bf
>>6486648
How lewd is he?
>>6486523
>tfw transitioning at 20
>pass since I'm not too masculine to begin with but still can't get over how cute I would've been if I started at 12
>used to have a high ass voice as a kid that turned into an autistic low mumble with age so it's hard af to change
Fuuuck, I'll never be a cute singer or figure skater this way :( Unless brain transplants or youth pills become a thing in my life time.
>>6486663
Likes squeezing my tiny boobs whenever he wants, nice and gentle in bed though
>>6486698
Met him on a dating site, met up for a one night stand and we just got together too well to stop seeing each other
>>6486467
AGP is cool, but there's more thing in life like getting your dick rode all fucking nihjt
>>6486868
you mean riding a dick though right
>>6484085
>Are you less valuable as a human?
Well, kinda, yeah. When I realized I was AGP, I spent a lot of time thinking about the roles of men and women in society. I realized that for the most part, men are the disposable and replaceable sex. Society can get by just fine with fewer of us, and those of us it needs to survive are expected to bear the burdens of certain duties and responsibilities for the sake of providing stability, even when it hurts us or makes us unhappy, with little to nothing in return other than a chance to establish a legacy. Legacy is very important to me, so I put up with the things I don't like and restrain myself from doing certain selfish things so that I can be one less thing for the people I care about to worry about. Other people are welcome to value the needs of others over their own like I do, but they don't need to as long as a few individuals do.
>You are in all probability not the center of the lives of these people. You want to help them and that's good. Ultimately, though, what you want for these people is for them to behave *unlike you* and place their own happiness high on their priority list.
I'm aware of these things. The difference is that I think they're capable of being happy, either because they were AFAB and thus not subjected to the expectations I am, or because they're, you know, not AGP and thus capable of forming successful, lasting intimate relationships. For other people, like my brother, they've already decided to act unlike me for whatever reason, and someone has to pick up their slack. Being AGP thus pretty much at a dead-end in regards to "living life for myself" (since acting on any of that would make my life /worse/ in the pursuit of a ridiculous dream; I'll never be the tomboyish girl I'd consider my "ideal self" and I know it), it makes sense to me to take whatever pride I can get by doing what others want/expect from me for their benefit. That's not martyrdom, that's making the most of a bad situation.
>>6486950
nah that was some song's lyrics it just got me thinking of. Check death grips
Anyway both seems nice desu
Do you guys ever get that feel, why do normal people just fit so much in society and get to have real and honest relationship, whereas I always have to hide myself, not being able to talk mindlessly to someone and saying everything which goes through your head and finally asking "man, why am I so alone ?"
>>6487026
"Normal" people know exactly who they are and what they want and so are able to just go after their lives with little to no self-doubt or anxiety
>>6487100
Most people don't know who they are
Well at least young people
>>6484386
Fuck I don't want to go lad. It's happening and I had a really nice vanilla straight dream and I don't feel like my agp is real now
>>6487190
>Now, not only are people not sure whether they're trans or AGP, they're not even sure if they're AGP or cishet.
I'm going to go ahead and say you should go anyway, because it's not like AGP doesn't ebb and flow to begin with.
>>6487190
Yeah life is weird sometime
i'm just in my room, sitting and doing nothing special. It's night so I should sleep, but for some reason I don't.
Sometime you tell yourself you'll do something and not do anything else, but as time goes you convince yourself it was a bad idea, it's not gonna change anything anyway and blablabla
And so you stop what you decided, and you didn't make any change, you're still sitting in your room, doing nothing.
Sometimes you need will, even though it seems like it doesn't make sense.
is it agp to get a slight boner when applying daily eyeliner?
>>6487369
If even a slight part of you feels you're looking pretty or feminine as you do it, yes.
>>6487369
>daily eyeliner
huh
Well in a way I guess so
>>6487384
for reals? i don't think anything of it but my penis gets hard when I do my eyeliner and or lipstick
i'm full time btw
>>6487400
What a huge phone
Anyway you look cute, but you shouldn't worry about it
>>6487413
but I get a boner every time I even look at my makeup, and its only from my makeup because it never happens when I am not wearing any
>>6487427
>Do you associate the makeup with something?
no, I don't find women attractive but for some reason when I see myself as a woman my cheeks flush and my cock gets hard and its causing issues in my life. Maybe if I could afford srs then I could resolve the boner issue.
>>6487426
hey come on, she's ok
I mean no one could tell just by looking from across the street
>>6487369
Yes.
Pretty mild but classic agp nonetheless
>>6485674
does it mean the same thing as agp? then it's redundant and sounds stupid
does it mean something else? then I don't really care about it and it sounds stupid
>>6487435
>Not liking women with penises.
>>6486973
let's be real, pic related
list the reasons why you can't
>be the tomboyish girl I'd consider my "ideal self"
as far as needing to "be the pillar," do you have a wife and children?
>>6487435
You have to punish her into being a good girl by teasing her boypussy. You would take your hard dick against her soft and slowly move it towards the entrance of her warm, pink hole. You take your hand and start pushing like you're going to enter her, but just as she starts to accept the tip, you pull away and put in on her ass again, circling around her anus, letting the precum fall onto her warm skin. She'll moan out your name, telling you not to tease her. Then you tell her this is her punishment for talking about a spot girls don't have so you tell her to promise to not do it again for you to consider ending the punishment. She grovels and almost starts crying, begging you to fuck her like a woman. Then you snatch her by the hips and fill her with your rockhard dick in one movement. She whimpers in surprise and starts moaning to your rhythmic thrusts.
p.1
>>6486973
>Well, kinda, yeah. When I realized I was AGP, I spent a lot of time thinking about the roles of men and women in society. I realized that for the most part, men are the disposable and replaceable sex. Society can get by just fine with fewer of us, and those of us it needs to survive are expected to bear the burdens of certain duties and responsibilities for the sake of providing stability, even when it hurts us or makes us unhappy, with little to nothing in return other than a chance to establish a legacy.
Anon I don't know how to tell you this but we're no longer hunter-gatherers. Raising a human to adulthood is fucking expensive and the primary function of a human in a modern society is labor. Making more humans is nice but only because those humans can also be put to work. We live in an age where a single brilliant scientist is worth more than a million blue collar dimwits and is likely to contribute more to society as a whole. Whether they have children at all is almost irrelevant in light of the scale we're discussing.
What's more, our society is generally structured to reward the top providers so that they can be powerful and the point of power is, ultimately, happiness for yourself and those you like. That's what money is. What those providers get in return for "bearing duties and responsibilities" is the keys to the building and a free reign to do whatever they want with it. It is their world and they are by and large hedonists.
>Legacy is very important to me, so I put up with the things I don't like and restrain myself from doing certain selfish things so that I can be one less thing for the people I care about to worry about.
Establishing a legacy means inventing something or becoming a successful capitalist. Producing, what, 3-5 humans? is worth shit in the modern world. Beside you keep ignoring the fact that depression generally makes you fucking useless. It impairs creativity, focus, energy.. everything you need to produce.
>>6486973
I mean, just existing as some no-name guy who sells coats isn't worth much.
>Other people are welcome to value the needs of others over their own like I do, but they don't need to as long as a few individuals do.
Why do you presume that even a few people need to do this? As said before, first and foremost, depressed people are almost inevitably bad at whatever they set out to do. If you want to help others then being unhappy is a poor way to do that. If you look at the big names in finance, science, mathematics, engineering, every field that matters they generally lead happy, successful lives and STILL end up doing more for society than the normies.
>I'm aware of these things. The difference is that I think they're capable of being happy, either because they were AFAB and thus not subjected to the expectations I am, or because they're, you know, not AGP and thus capable of forming successful, lasting intimate relationships. For other people, like my brother, they've already decided to act unlike me for whatever reason, and someone has to pick up their slack. Being AGP thus pretty much at a dead-end in regards to "living life for myself" (since acting on any of that would make my life /worse/ in the pursuit of a ridiculous dream; I'll never be the tomboyish girl I'd consider my "ideal self" and I know it), it makes sense to me to take whatever pride I can get by doing what others want/expect from me for their benefit. That's not martyrdom, that's making the most of a bad situation.
If you absolutely can't transition and be happy then you can't transition and be happy. That's the end of that. Just don't spin some ridiculous story about how you gotta do this for the family. If you could - and if you can and are denying it - the only proper choice would be to go ahead and do what would make you happy. That's what everyone else are doing.
>>6488696
I don't. I know that being AGP pretty much precludes any sort of successful heterosexual relationship. Still, a person doesn't need to be a father and husband to provide an support for others. Sometimes it's just being there consistently, and being consistent in your ways.
>list the reasons why you can't be the tomboyish girl I'd consider my "ideal self"
Because this isn't a Bethesda game where I can open a console command and reroll at any given moment. My body wouldn't be conducive to transition, at least not towards the goal I'd want to move towards (see >>6483833). Besides, even removing the social aspect, the cost-benefit just isn't there. I'd be spending insane amounts of money for what are essentially stopgap cosmetic results while modifying my body in ways that are likely to reduce my lifespan and don't even really address the cause of what body dysphoria I do have. It's a ridiculous amount of money and effort for the incomplete fulfillment of a want, not a need.
If there was a way to cure AGP without transition, I'd do that even if it doesn't result in my ideal self, just because it'd be a more efficient fix to my problem.
>>6489331
>>6489357
Why do people keep asserting I'm depressed? Other people tell me this too even if they don't know about my AGP, and I don't see it.
nice try wise guys
>>6489508
>Why do people keep asserting I'm depressed? Other people tell me this too even if they don't know about my AGP, and I don't see it.
Because you keep talking about sacrificing your own happiness for their sake and how it is normal to do so for "little to no reward" because men are supposed to suffer nobly or whatever.
>>6489508
how old are you and how long have you had agp?
are you aware that nearly everyone who transitions or takes hormones would prefer a magic cure that would make it unnecessary?
are you aware that you will get further and further from your ideal self as you age?
will you explain your body dysphoria in depth then?
>>6458395
Fapping to dudes used to make me feel gross until I fucked a dude. Now it feels great, and I'm even crossdressing irl. Maybe try it out.
>>6479466
You're trans, girl
>>6489704
Fapping to dudes or the thought of being fucked by a dude?
>>6489734
Fapping to dudes = fapping thinking about getting fucked by a dude. Usually looking at pictures of guys would make me feel gross and I'd quickly close them. Then I finally hooked up with a dude, and despite not even knowing whether I'd like it until we were both naked, I found it was great sex. Yeah, it wasn't very romantic, since I'd just met him, but there was none of the discomfort of having to "act like a man" that I'd experience having sex with women. It was more natural than any sex I had with women, and now I'm pretty comfortable with masturbating to pictures and videos of men.
>>6489731
Not that person but you shouldn't say such things so flippantly. You don't know their background. The line between an AGP who needs to transition and one who doesn't is pretty thin.
>>6489687
26, I've had this fetish since puberty. I was fascinated by transformation fiction and the idea of leading a different life since about 2nd grade. In 4th grade I discovered transsexuality after reading about Lynn Conway in Scientific American, which led to a lot of reading in secret and plenty of parent chew outs when it was uncovered.
I'm aware of how trans people feel about transition. I assume they do what they do because they feel they have no choice. I also know I'll get further from my ideal self, but my current dysphoria comes from the remnants of being an obese child - extra weight and loose skin would cause dysphoria regardless of physical sex. It's why moving further from that ideal as I age doesn't bother me too much anymore - at this point in my life, even having that body tomorrow would mean it would disappear in a matter of years, and transitioning wouldn't get me much closer; in fact, it might move me further from it. I'm still chasing an acceptable body - investing in a pipe dream for a facsimile of an ideal one doesn't seem worth it.
>>6489776
They just sound a LOT like I did when I was heavily in denial, and I wasted some years of my life that way
>>6489834
alright, fair enough. i'm not trying to push anything on you. i'm only saying that i have never heard of anyone saying they or anyone they knew have successfully suppressed agp, particularly when it's been going on for that long. you're on /lgbt/ for a reason. why? your first post (>>6479466 i think is you) just really sounds like you're starting or having lots of trouble with this.
in any case, i think you really need to get over this savior complex. like...it's not your responsibility to be some paragon of normalcy and virtue.
>>6489731
no I'm not stop that
I w-want to be a boy !
And anyway hrt wouldn't work out so well, I'm 6"1 tall, broad shoulder and a big nose
and shitty hair too
>>6490151
ohhh yeah i wasn't paying attention. i just followed the chain up and it got to
>not the guy you're replying to
>>6490145
lol
i'm your height too, but eventually it got to the point where i couldn't deal with it and i just got on them anyway. can't be a hon if i never try to dress like a girl.
what are your shoulder and underbust (lel) circumferences? how muscly are you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmXnsV5YvKI
do you think he's pretty, agp-chan?
>>6490370
so much for asians can't be hons
>>6490370
he passes so bad
but he's kinda cute
>>6490374
>implying the walls of his anal tract don't have the traces of seeds belonging to many chads
>>6457092
Heterosexual autogynephiliac here
is there any porn to be found for my fetish?
All "autogynephilia" porn I find is focused on sucking dick, fucking men, things that don't turn me on.
Is there any porn that just shows you a man transformed into a woman and no sex scenes with men?
>>6490469
that's not porn
perhaps look for forced feminization videos but they all suck
>>6490211
nah I'll be a hon, I look really like a man, a wall made out of concrete
perhaps in an other life, but thanks anyway.
I'll just live my life for now and try not to think too much about it, just do what I feel like doing
>reddit gets triggered
https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/4qcu3v/came_out_to_my_therapist_today_he_said_to_watch/d4s19dj
>>6490509
not even just to satisfy the curiosity of a poor old anon?
>>6490535
What do you wanna know ?
>>6490509
I don't blame you for not transitioning.
Theres a tall broad shouldered masc hon on r/asktransgender whos profile I have bookmarked. He has genital dysphoria and wants SRS. I feel sorry for the guy, he will probably kill himself when FFS + SRS + HRT doesn't make him happy by age 35.
I'm against SRS and think trannies should be shemales. Thats the AGP talking, but its much heathier than trying to mod your penis into a pseudo-vagina. Anatomic AGP is a thing though, but its much riskier to indulge in.
>>6490518
Reddit doesn't like AGP lol. Technically Reddit is in the right though since WPATH and other orgs don't believe in it.
>tfw AGP neets on a Malaysian wood carving forum know more about AGP than doctors and psychiatrists.
At first I wished I was born as a girl, then I wished that I had transitioned when I was younger, now I just wish that I was dead.
#AGPLife
>>6491107
iktfb
I'm not sure if I'll pass, probably not, I'm 25 just starting HRT and laser
I just know I don't want to live like this anymore
>>6491107
Same feelings, same progression here, senpai.
>>6491130
So you're cis, or you're a tranny fetishizer that has AGP?
>>6491107
Same
>>6490469
Yes.
Also not to alarm you but this is how it started out for me. Then I moved on to imagining myself as a woman having sex with women and reasoned that it wasn't gay because I just liked women and that's really straight right?
Then I moved on to lusting for men.
>>6490518
You know, I'm one of the people who posts the most about Blanchard's work but I do wonder about alternative views. Are any of them based on science? I know Blanchard wasn't super rigorous but the alternative sources I read sounded like 100% wishful thinking. A lot of organizations seem to outright deny people like me, who get turned on in an AGP-like fashion but still feel bad about being men, even exist.
>>6491679
I don't think there are alternative views except
>"autogynephilia" is a completely made up illness, designed by the bigot and trans phobe ray Blanchard in order to delegitimize and insult trans women
>>6491738
WPATH/etc must have some sort of a party line re: people who openly admit to having experienced AGP-like arousal, no?
Has anyone here seen Zerophilia before? Only trans media I've ever seen that I actually identified with.
>>6489992
>it's not your responsibility to be some paragon of normalcy and virtue
It shouldn't be, but it is. Everyone else seems too caught up in doing what feels good to think about how it affects others. For the most part there's no ill effects from that, but someone has to be a voice of reason from time to time. My dad used to give me all these speeches about honor and resilience to life's difficulties, and now he's churning through a new marriage every few years and leaving a vacuum in my family for a sense of stability, which nobody else is willing to fill. Outside of my family, I'm dealing with a lot of trans people who have apparently decided that their bravery to transition gives them moral superiority. I shouldn't have to be the person explaining to them and others why removing due process eliminates fair treatment and leads to the persecution of minorities, but again, nobody else will. Being consistent in my decisions and beliefs gives me extra leverage in these discussions.
>>6490981
I know one like that too. Kinda gives me the creeps, at least partially because I know I'd turn out the same way. Every time I start wondering if transition is a reasonable solution to my problem, I see them and immediately back off because I do not want that for myself (even though my ex treats them better as a friend than she ever treated me).
>>6491831
Is it on Netflix or something? I read a lot about it as a kid but never saw it. The narrative idea of a complete transition being something that just happens to people really interested me. I always figured if that happened to me, I could explain it to people as something I'm just having to live with, as opposed to getting grilled over "wow you're spending money to do *this* to yourself?"
>>6492120
No, but there's a torrent of it up on either piratebay or kickasstorrents.
Yeah, that was really appealing to me too as a kid. I kind of wanted to ask my parents for hormones since I was 15 but didn't want to have to work that out with them and instead spent most of my time hoping that something like pic related would happen to me. Eventually though I got the courage to ask them and I went from mostly straight guy to mostly straight girl, just like the protagonist of the film.
As a side note, Zerophilia rejects the whole "I feel like a girl so I am one" narrative and instead says that physically passing is the most important part of being a particular gender, which is something I think a lot of AGPs agree with. I'm still trying to figure out why trutrans talk about being trans in feelsy ways while AGPs talk about it in concrete ways though.
>>6492221
>I'm still trying to figure out why trutrans talk about being trans in feelsy ways while AGPs talk about it in concrete ways though.
That's interesting, the vast majority of whining and self pity over at /mtfg/ (aside from tfw no bf / tfw no gf, which isn't really a trans or cis feeling as a human feeling) is about physically not being able to pass. Maybe I'm not understanding, but who are you talking about when you say 'trutrans'?
>>6486540
I had heard nothing about Jack Molay until you told me his name. I had heard about crossdreaming before. I don't have much of an opinion.
>>6492268
Trans people who do not report having AGP feelings in any significant capacity.
Pretty much all the AGPs I've heard of that fully transitioned didn't start thinking of themselves as women until they for the most part passed (myself included) whereas trutrans people like http://everydayfeminism.com/2016/01/how-love-being-non-passing/ seem to be more inclined to consider themselves as women simply because they feel they are deep down (even if they have a beard!)
>>6492308
Well, I guess I'm just weird then. I'm definitely AGP by the definition of this thread, I'm nowhere near passing, but still felt like I was a girl, or at least not a normal boy, well before I started hormones or anything.
>>6492340
Nah, I've heard from other people that AGP eventually did trigger a similar feeling of actually being the other gender in them. It varies between individuals.
>>6492308
>that site
I hope I never meet anyone I want to be around less than the authors/journalists/writers of that site.
>>6492440
Lol yeah it was shit like that actually fed more into my repression growing up and sort of drove me toward the /pol/ "trans people are crazy" idea for a while because I couldn't find trans people that weren't idiot SJWs. I've posted about this here before but it was a FTM acquaintance I knew in high school who got me to think rationally about trans issues and realize that physical transition may seem unusual, but is still a good choice as long as that's what the person wants permanently, regardless of why they may want it.
After that, I stopped being so preoccupied with the idea of an inner "transness", and just decided to transition because it was what I wanted. Really couldn't be happier with my decision.
>tfw you will never be a cute girl who wakes up early in the morning to make her boyfriend lunch he can bring to work
>tfw you will never make him question why someone like you would ever spend time with someone like him
>>6489508
I was like you with the feeling of being obliged to be a ruler stick for proper behavior. People also said I looked sad all the time when I was in middle school and high school. Yet I didn't think I felt that way. I just felt that I wasn't happy. Now I can say that I was depressed and bored with life.
>>6492567
I want the first part, but not the second. I don't my bf to have low self-esteem because that sucks.
>>6492567
You should stop thinking about that, it's really unhealthy
>>6492567
>>6492620
>tfw you will never have a boyfriend who tries to hide his flu symptoms from you
>tfw you will never realize he's sick anyway and make him stay home from work no matter how much he insists he has to go
>tfw you will never feed him home-made chicken soup by the spoonful and kiss his tummy before giving him a blowjob (flu virus is transmitted through respiratory particles, not semen)
>tfw you will never rub his chest with menthol rub before putting him to bed and quietly leaving the room
Just die in my sleep already.
Can anyone describe to me what being heterosexual/homosexual is like?
My sexuality has always been centered on masochistic emasculation, along with AGP. I know that generally people with this fetish are gynephilic but I honestly don't think it applies to me. I've never been sincerely attracted to other people. I can sometimes get hard by looking at pictures and bodies but to actually get aroused and achieved I have to construct some sort of MEF fantasy in my mind.
This IS my sexuality, for as long as I can remember. I just really wish I knew what it's like for normal people
>>6492818
>aroused and achieved I have to
aroused and achieve orgasm I have to*
>>6492822
A lot of AGPs report their feminization fantasies turning into normal heterosexual urges post transition. For me, it was like the AGP feelings slowly got replaced with attraction to guys and I finally understood how people could enjoy vanilla sex. Does that help?
>>6492818
Sexuality is really personal, I don't think I could really describe hetero/homo well but I'll try :
Heterosexual are getting attract by women, and what we use to identify them as such, face hair boobs ass and stuff. You see someone, looks like a women, cute face fine ass, talks to her and stuff
Homosexuality is kinda the same, but toward the same sex, for men you look if he's seems manly, muscles and stuff. And there is that nuance of social embarassment, guilty feeling
It's just a guideline, things are more complicated than that, some people like weak boys and others like boyish girls
>>6492851
Not really. I'm in the process of transitioning right now (7 months HRT) and I actually have a boyfriend that I have sex with on a regular basis. However even now, in order to achieve orgasm I have to fantasize. It's fairly easy since the stuff he does to me fits well with my desires for MEF, but my attraction to him or his dick are not 'direct' per se. I have a pseudo-androphilia that only works as long as he is dominating me.
>>6492869
Maybe give it more time? Currently it's 50/50 for me whether I orgasm to a feminization fantasy or to more vanilla hetero (and very rarely lesbian) fantasies but it's definitely swinging more and more towards the hetero/lesbian side.
>>6492120
>It shouldn't be, but it is.
dude.. no
no no no no no
this doesn't even have anything to do with agp. you really need to work this shit out. you are not the savior of the evil hedonistic human race or the "people around you" or anything. you seriously should go see a therapist about this because it's not healthy.
if you were gay would you get a wife and have a family just because you need to be this honorable normie? it seems like you would and that's insane.
Posted this in another thread, but is anyone else here into forced feminization while still obviously a boy? One of my top humiliation fantasies is being punished by a parent/teacher/etc by being forced to wear moderately girly clothes that usually leaves my legs bare (typically short shorts) and makeup such as lipstick, nail polish, etc., all while obviously being a boy, and being forced to go out, sit in public, do chores, sing, get spanked, etc while dressed like this in full view of other people, especially cute girls. Ever since around age 16 I used to drive to secluded neighborhoods and act these kinds of things out.
Obviously, since I am AGP and transitioning I've become too girly with long hair so I've recently resorted to buying short hair/boyish wigs to continue doing that.
Does anyone else have feminization/humiliation type fetishes that directly go against your desire to transition? Obviously I still really want to be a girl, otherwise i wouldn't be self-medding hormones rn.
Personally, I hate the idea that feminisation is somehow degrading or humiliating but at the same time I wouldn't mind being forcibly feminised. If I was the guy/woman in The Skin I Live In, I wouldn't resist.
>>6493369
Probably not, but that's different. There's not really any external change or significant medical changes that come from being gay. At most you'd get some social blowback if you live in the southern US like I do, but that's about it.
Besides, I'm not trying to save the human race or anything. I just need to talk people down from the ledge on occasion, so to speak, and it's much, much easier if I have a reputation for doing and saying things that are consistent with the things I'm trying to convince people of.
>feel like a girl when aroused or around feminine things
>feel like a guy everywhere else, aka the majority of the time
i dun geddit
>>6457092
>be """"straight""""
>be overly autistic and silently roleplay to imaginary stories in bed before sleeping
>do this since i was 13, nowadays 20
>usually assume the role of some girl
>when i'm too horny i make a fork of the story in which this char gets into some kinky shit, pretty /tg/ desu
>i do this before getting into 4chan
>when I arrive here i slowly became a sadpanda weeb and usually add newfound fetishes to my fork fetish stories
>browse /v/, /fit/ and /pol/ sometimes, boards which happen to be the gayest of the whole webpage
>begin to doubt about my own sexuality after all this shit
>height doesnt help
>also dyel
I'm quite insecure about this all. I mean, I feel like this is merely a fetish that went too far and is actually confusing me because I like women (or anything remotely femenine) way more than men, yet I feel pretty gay sometimes.
I even had a relationship 3 years ago with a girl who was taller than me and she was really cute, but this only add more questions and doesn't provide any answer.
>>6494357
It appeared as a fetish but perhaps you got it and it grew big because you had something hidden in the bottom of yourself that wanted to go out, in some way.
Honestly just live your life and see what happens, or perhaps try meeting the same sex to clarify stuff
>>6494224
this is me, although not really aroused by it anymore since I'm working to pass better
I have 3 modes: girl, andro, and regular guy w long hair
>>6492567
>tfw you will never be a cute girl who wakes up early in the morning to make her boyfriend lunch he can bring to work
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA *breathes* AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>6493895
I'm a feminist and try to conduct myself as such in my interactions with others but in private I can't help but get turned on by awfully stereotypical feminization fantasies which go against what I actually believe in.
>>6494956
>I'm a feminist
wew lad
>>6494987
Feminism - or at least the reasonable versions of it - is just a natural extension of humanism.
>>6494922
>tfw I read that as a man voice scream
End it, lads.
![Why Oh. That's why. [Humiliation] [Cross-dressing] - Imgur.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/V4dCrwk.jpg "Why Oh. That's why. [Humiliation] [Cross-dressing] - Imgur.jpg")
>>6495128
I'm tired of these shit stories, it's always the same
> i didn't want to but my mother/aunt/cousin/dog made me were this clothes
>damnboner.bat
>new life
glad I quitted that state
>>6495128
>10 years later
>"WAAAAAH I WILL NEVER BE A WOMAN ;_;"
>>6495128
Reminder AGP is a subset of MEF
>>6497312
What does MEF stands for ?
>>6497473
masochistic emasculation fetish
i think
>>6488891
Boner stop, boner what are you doing.
>>6488891
nice
>>6497312
My AGP isn't about being emasculated, though, and I'm sure that's the case for many.
Did anyone else always feel the need to look feminine, even before puberty, in a non-sexual way? Does it mean I might be trans? I have no genital dysphoria though
>>6497690
The screaming stands for "I will never have this. Cool. Alright. I'm fine."
>>6498054
Ah. Okay. We're on the same page, then.
Are you also slightly annoyed when you hear a girl is a lesbian? I feel like it's a waste, somehow.
I know that's fucked up, and I know it's me projecting my fantasy/fetish onto every woman.
>>6497312
Reminder it's the other way around
>>6498343
they're independent fetishes ;^)
>>6498343
Not if that's what you are in your mind.
>>6498215
Not at all. I don't even think it is healthy to expect women to be the domestic caretakers. I just get upset that I, specifically, will never get to tenderly take care of a loved one.
I get you though. Sometimes what you find attractive does not line up with your actual beliefs.
Ok I crossdress often and I don't get horny unless its a slutty outfit. I do it because I like to? It just feels nice I'm not sure what could fill that void if I ever stoped. I also love to shave my legs I just love the feel/look of them. I mostly wear skirts with stocking and heals with a cute top when I crossdress if that matters. So am I /AGP/ or what am I just a crossdresser?
>>6500496
AGP, in the mild form, can be a simple fetish.
AGP, in the chronic form, can result in varying degrees of dysphoria and the desire to actually become the opposite gender.
If you're just turned on by crossdressing then you might be a transvestite, specifically attracted to wearing the clothes of the opposite gender.
If you're turned on by the thought of being a woman or being feminine then that's at least some form of AGP.
If you start developing actual dysphoria and feeling awful about being a man in non-sexual contexts then you might actually be trans and AGP.
>>6500496
Sounds like a regular crossdresser
i hate being a mentally ill fag that wants to be a girl
>>6500596
i don't really get that screenshot
i mean, she does look like a cis girl, just an ugly one
seen a lot of chicks with the exact same face desu
>>6500614
>she does look like a cis girl,
lol
>>6500486
>don't even think it is healthy to expect women to be the domestic caretakers. I just get upset that I, specifically, will never get to tenderly take care of a loved one.
Anon, we totally agree on this. I'd never want a girlfriend like that, it feels wrong to me to have someone care that much for me. *I* want to be the one who cares so much for my partner.
>>6500621
They're right though.
>>6500596
she would look hot as fuck if she got ffs
>>6500653
damn then i've seen shittons of chicks that didn't pass
>>6500653
Studied engineering in undergrad, can confirm that cis women look like that redditor sometimes
>>6500686
>I'm pretty sure they were talking about expecting women to be caretakers in general.
So am I.
I wouldn't want a girlfriend that acted that way but you can be sure as hell that's how I'd be if I were a girl.
>>6500727
ikr and before anyone asks the reason I don't do this now is because I can't even be in a relationship like this.
>>6500740
The reason I don't is the whole being 6'3" with a deep voice. At best I could pull some "army dad who cares so much about his kids but doesn't know how to say it", which isn't gentle in the slightest and not what I want.
Since I can't get what I want, I think I'll try to become eye candy instead.
>>6500777
You can act this way even if you don't fit the gender stereotypes, you know. If you are lucky enough to actually be able to function in a relationship as a man then take that chance.
>>6500787
>be able to function in a relationship as a man
I can't even do this.
It makes me feel like such a failure and so ashamed that I just want to be treated like a girl.
>>6500794
I can't do this either haha. I wish I could tell you not to feel ashamed but I know hearing that wouldn't help me. I just thought you were holding yourself from behaving as you'd like due to stereotypes. Sorry.
>>6500800
I'm not the guy you were replying to before.
I just replied because I like to talk about myself.
>>6500809
Haha, well I get that too. I feel awfully selfish telling my story in these threads over and over but I just need someone to talk to, you know? Maybe I should go see a psychologist. It's not the same as talking to other people who went through similar things though.
I hope things work out for you.
>>6500821
I should probably talk to one too but it's just too scary.
I'd have to write everything down on a piece of paper and hand it to them or something.
>>6500825
It helps that gender reassignment is literally illegal in my country and I'm willing to bet there are basically no therapists who know shit about this subject haha. Makes me feel better about my decision.
If you know someone who can actually help you I'd take the chance. Good luck.
>>6500787
>You can act this way even if you don't fit the gender stereotypes, you know
I really can't. There's massive dissonance between how I want to be (a small, cute girl hopelessly in love who wants to make herself the best person for her partner), and who I am now.
And I doubt I could be in a relationship what with the whole "I can't understand that someone would like me that much"
>>6500821
>>6500825
i was >>6484369
i have to say that it's honestly a little bit relieving to have some real person be aware of the shit going on with your life and not have them freak out or act any way but calm and...nice?ly .
>>6500825
i wrote all my stuff on the computer and then sent it to her. she read it before we had a session and it's a million times easier for me at least than saying anything vocally.
>>6500841
that sounds troubling. what country?
you can try an online therapist
>>6492550
Hey, what hand is that, and where did you get it?
Who here /notsatisfiedwithjustcrossdressing/?
>>6501022
I'm taking hormones but I'm perfectly fine being a guy in public as long as I can be a girl in private (with my bf)
>>6501022
No I'm just bored and a bit disgusted by crossdressing for the moment, it's going to come back for sure, but att I prefer faping to regular porn
>>6501069
>tfw spend all time thinking about feminine clothes appearance etc
>tfw don't even want to fap that much anymore
idk if it's the old age or what
>>6501134
A lot of people say this is how AGP progressed for them.
>>6501173
>AFAB women lose their sex drives as they get old
>MtF do as well
>"Muh AGP lololol desu cake is a lie!"
>>6501173
That's how it went for me. Found out I had a crossdressing fetish, started getting dysphoria, then the fetish went away but the dysphoria didnt
>>6501181
>"muh slippery slope!"
>>6500841
Where are you from?
Some amerifat gender therapists have online sessions but I have no clue if you can use them overseas
>>6501179
I have no idea what you're trying to say. All I said is that a lot of AGP individuals claimed that as they aged they grew out of the sexual aspect but the desire to be a woman remained.
>>6501221
I'm saying that there's no such thing as AGP and you know it, but you say your memes anyway because you're a tard.
>>6501245
Why are you here if you believe so?
>>6501256
>But I'm not convinced by lies and made up stories.
Why would I make up that story then cry about it in an obscure thread on 4chan? If I wrote it to upset people wouldn't I be shoving it in their face instead of hiding in this hugbox?
