I just want to be gay without being wrapped up with all this identity politics shit. Where do I go?
>>6437809
>I want to be part of a culture while ignoring said culture.
Oh sweetie.
>>6437809
Just live your life and tell people who try to speak for you without listening to your opinions to go to hell
>>6437809
Gay bars and nightclubs. Activists congregate in places they can make into safe spaces, and fixate on Pride marches in particular because the first pride was a riot etc etc
They cannot make your average gay bar into a safe space, and so will not go to them. People go to gay bars to drink and get laid thus the only way for a gay bar to be identity-politic'ked is if activists run their own nights. Which does happen, but it's very obvious when it's an activist club night and they're always shit.
>>6437842
>There is no such thing as gay culture
Read a book, dingbat.
>Gluing dildos to your face isn't culture
Old pride tradition.
>>6437864
>Anything I don't like is cancer. :(
Back to your hugbox.
>>>/pol/
>I want to be black without fighting for black rights
nice
>>6437876
More like,
> I want to be black without being a communist
>>6437909
>Gov. Wallace will be nice if we just stop marching!
>>6437823
Yeah I want to be proud to be gay without supporting MIKE BROWN DIN DO NUFFIN and Occupy Wallstreet pay off my student loans for my art degree!
>>6437936
The right hates you just as much as the rest of them.
Read Uncle Tom's Cabin.
Nazi German gas chamber
>>6437809
>>6437943
>>6437943
>read uncle toms cabin
I've read far more literature in my life than you have, I can assure you.
>falling into the left right fallacy
You have a lot of growing up to do mentally.
People should be free to live how they want, but Black Libes Matter is literally a violent terrorist organization (not to mention blacks are the most homophobic race in the U.S.) and muh Occupy Wallstreet kids are entitled SJW millennial brats.
>>6437944
>14 replies 7 posters
I'd be willing to bet money you're same fagging in this thread to push your edgy agenda.
Why are leftists so stupid?
Thank god for post counts, one of the things moot did right before he left
>>6437909
The basic arguments that relate to this is that you cannot claim to support gay rights without supporting e.g. racial equality, because racial inequality will harm some gay people. Financial inequalities harm poor people, which has knock on consequences for the LGBT community (e.g. lack of access to HIV medication).
Thus most of what it boils down to is "pride has to support ALL queer people, not just wealthy white cis gay men", thus you get themes like this. Although in practice most prides will just be giant street parties and an excuse to troll for dick, and you don't need to pay attention to the parade itself.
>>6437852 is bang on the money, too. If you don't want to get involved in identity politics it's really easy to avoid it. However I suspect you didn't come here for actual advice and rather to whine about identity politics, so have fun with that.
>>6437996
>Financial inequalities harm poor people, which has knock on consequences for the LGBT community (e.g. lack of access to HIV medication
Calling your connection tenuous would be giving it far too much credit.
>>6437996
>Thus most of what it boils down to is "pride has to support ALL queer people, not just wealthy white cis gay men", thus you get themes like this
Oh wow, I glazed over this the first time.
No THIS is tenuous.
Damn, look at Captain lose associations over here
>>6438020
I'm telling you the logic behind it, not necessarily arguing that the logic is sound. The basis is that if anything can harm LGBT people, queer rights movements must be opposed to it, or else they're only representing the queer people that aren't affected by the issue at hand, and that issue can be sexism, racism, classism etc etc
At this point there's usually some rambling explanation of why capitalism is inherently oppressive but I never quite managed to follow that particular argument.
>>6438036
>I'm telling you the logic behind it, not necessarily arguing that the logic is sound.
Why would you bring it up if it's unsound logic?
>racism
I agree with that, because black gays probably do have it the worst given how homophobic the black community is
>>6438063
So you can understand why these themes are so ubiquitous.
Most of the black gays I know say they've got more issues with racism in the queer community than homophobia in the black community, although obviously they've had issues with both. Obviously racism can really affect some queer people (namely the ones that aren't white) and thus they feel unrepresented if queer rights organisations don't take an actively anti-racist stance. It's called intersectionality.
Don't go anywhere, the whole identity politics thing is a rent-a-mob for corporations to pass legislation, it doesn't concern you in the slightest. Participating for or against it only pads the current narrative.
>BUT IF WE MAKE NOISE REAL LOUD THE GOVERNMENT WILL MAGICALLY THROW US ANOTHER BONE
>MEANINGLESS BUZZWORDS AND SOCIALIST RHETORIC AREN'T JUST A DISNEYLAND PAMPHLET
pls
>>6438088
>It's called intersectionality.
I thought it was black gays being obnoxious and unpalatable to even the most ardent anti-racists
>>6438107
>black gays
>unpalatable
Obviously you've never licked one desu senpai.
>>6437852
Alcohol is gross. Bars are too loud and boring.
>>6438107
I think you're perhaps generalising quite heavily here, and you have some sort of a chip on your shoulder. Obviously a queer rights organisation that says "we don't care about racism" will be less popular with activists than one that takes an active anti-racist stance, because if you're saying you don't care about racism non white gay people will feel uncomfortable about being part of your movement, as they don't like racism. That's not being obnoxious, that's just a reasonable stance, in the same way gay black people may not want to join in an anti-racist organisation that doesn't give a damn about homophobia.
These issues only apply if you actively spend time around activists and activist spaces. Outside of the internet you're unlikely to accidentally wander across a cabal of social justice warriors, and the reason people write all those thinkpieces about gay men is because most gay men, like most people, do not care about activism and if they're going clubbing then they're out to have a good time and not to have a consciousness raising experience in aid of ending the kyriarchy.
>>6438125
>implying you aren't a virgin
>>6437991
You sure don't argue like you've read literature.
I'm truly sorry that you got nothing out of your extensive reading.
>>6438141
Well, you've fallen into the pitfall that a lot of anons here face. Generally speaking the main spheres gay guys participate in are clubbing and activism. If you don't like either, you're basically saying "how do I get to meet gay guys without going to either of the places that gay guys hang out?".
You've got a couple of options. Bigger cities will usually have gay sports teams for things like rugby and football, but if you don't like sports that's not very helpful. Likewise, there'll probably be a gay bookclub or something similar in a big city, but they are usually somewhat politicised so not much good if you don't like activists. Also if you live in a smaller city or town these options won't really be available.
That basically just leaves dating websites and hookup apps like grindr, but not much good if you're mostly looking for friends and I'm willing to hazard a guess that you'll have some strong negative opinions about hookup apps in general.
Effectively what you're asking is how to meet people who are gay but aren't into social justice or clubbing and the problem is there's no one place to go to find these people as they've not got anywhere to go or any reason to congregate together.
>>6438190
Yep. And Grindr is only a step above CL
>>6438189
>provides no counter arguments besides "Nuh uh, I bet you don't read books"
Sorry, I didn't realize I'd run into an intellectual heavyweight such as yourself
>>6438239
Well your only actual options are to either suck it up and do something you don't like (be it Grindr, sports, clubbing or pretending to like social justice) in order to get out there and start meeting gay guys, discover some sort of alt-right gay community (idk, maybe join the gay republican association or something) or just be content with not meeting gay guys. You have to do some sort of leg work to meet people, new acquaintances don't just fall into your lap. Look at all the robots in /r9k/ who don't leave their rooms and whine about being forever alone, and then realise that you'd be even less likely than them to find someone just as a result of statistics.
>>6438152
It's all so exhausting, this method of thinking that skirts around emotions. Having to explicitly elaborate every possible iteration of "representation" in order to not scare off the rare birds... It's obsolete, it's blatantly idealistic and tenuous.
The normies have flocked away from liberation theology and marxism after the normalization attempts in the last 10 years across youth groups. There is simply no material reward for doing so other than self-censorship homogenizing the overall discourse, repressing strong personalities to the fringes for the sake of statistical creature comforts that are downright alien.
The sex that people have through their own orgs is triggering to the core of tie-dyed hamlords who have no value in the normie marketplace, it's over.
If only you guys had a CommieCon to flock to every year, you might retain the subculture relevance, but everything in the sphere of activism is bought and paid for by multinational interests, assuredly to launder money and pad stats to throw at underqualified politicians to justify yet another committee or vacuous awareness momentum. There will be no legacy to anything that the left has created in the last decade, it's all redundancy and rent-seeking empty words.
>>6438310
Quality post
>>6438310
I got out of activism a few years ago when it started getting too postmodern and original-sin like for my own liking. I know how to navigate activist spaces and can say all the buzzwords, but I don't hang out with activists.
That's how I know how to meet gay guys without being an activist. As I've said, clubbing, grindr, dating websites and sports are all ways in which I've met guys. You're going to have to do one of them, or start a website or something for alt-right gay guys. There's definitely a niche in the market there, some of the gay alt-right people I know literally wound up meeting by going to youth conservative meetings and discovered they both liked dick.
>>6438357
How beautiful
I'm more of a right libertarian than an alt right. I don't particularly like social conservative values. I just think leftist economics is prone to fail and the left has gone insane culturally.
>for racial and economic justice
>racial justice
Well, maybe. I'm all for racial equality, but if by "justice" they mean "let's round up a lynch mob and go after every police officer who has ever shot a black man, armed or not" then no thanks. I believe in due process, and I do generally have faith that juries will (mostly) make informed decisions about this stuff.
Besides, I really don't think there's an epidemic of racial profiling going on, although I'm not saying it never happens.
>economic justice
I'm not even sure what this means. If they're referring to something retarded like "wealth inequality," I couldn't care less. That's just how capitalism works. If it bugs you, then acquire some form of higher education so you can get a better job? There are a lot of state scholarship options available, so education isn't all that difficult to afford.
>Where do I go?
You don't. Most you can do is exercise your right to vote on issues that might affect your physical rights.
Any organized group tends to lean toward extremes. I believe that's called the bandwagon effect.
>>6438310
Spot on.
In the end, social justice fascism will go the way of all things, and return to its source. In this case, the echo chambers of far-left academia.
Spare a thought for those future generations of students who will have to listen ad nauseam whilst their university professors wax philosophical about their halcyon days of hashtag activism: Black Libes Matter, imaginary genders, rape culture, etc.
>>6438275
Never respond to my posts ever again.
>>6437809
You can't ignore the intersectionality of the oppressed
#weareallone #notallmuslims #istandwithher #blm #hillary2016
>>6438430
>That's just how capitalism works.
That would be why they're pushing to move towards a different economic system like socialism
>>6438885
The people who preach socialism don't even know what the fuck it means
This is what I love about the political LGBT crap
They're all so fucking stupid
>>6438905
You've got to be pretty thick yourself to think that all poor people need to do is get an education and land a high paying job and there aren't huge structural issues with wealth inequality, but y'know whatever
>>6438922
Nigga I ain't him
Don't assume shit
Poor people are poor because they are shit with money
I grew up poor
Name those structures that are indefinitely holding everyone back and tell me how socialism won't exasperate the issues
I agree that there are some there but they are not solved by what socialists put out
The truth is that corporatism and socialism have the same end game which is the creation of an under class and over class with no middle class
You need to take a trip to Venezuela lad
>>6438125
Milo pls.
>>6437809
You just do normal shit and then you meet other fags who happen to do the same shit, assuming you don't live in some place with very little fag population.
Bonus is you don't get stuck with SJWs
>>6438527
>>6438829
When I see posts like these, I honestly can never tell if they are genuine or are parodies of the left.
>>6439072
I think it's a parody because we are on 4chan and leftists probably would not want to post much on this website
>>6439084
>leftists probably would not want to post much on this website
and all the Bernie posts a few weeks ago?
I always figured it was closer to 50/50 on /lgbt/ or 60/40 favoring the left.
>>6437823
LOL. This.
>>6439137
They're also hashtagging somewhere that doesn't support hashtags, which implies parody
>>6438941
exacerbate* the issues
>>6437823
Your sexual orientation is not a culture.
this thread
>>6440043
Thank you! Someone finally says it.
>>6440043
But that culture and it's history is responsible for making it okay for you to live with your sexual orientation without the fear of getting stabbed, killed, or sodoku yourself 24/7.
>>6440427
wot
>>6440427
>categorizing majority of the world as one culture just because you as a minority feel different
please... Sexual orientation is not a culture. You can be gay or trans or whatever you want, that doesn't mean that you have to act like, hang with or identify with elements unique of the LGBT culture or community.
Some people don't like all the drama, rainbow flags, demonstrating bullshit. Some people just like their own gender.
It's true we long for connection and a sense of belonging but they are very material and surface level biological behaviours. If what the LGBT community is fighting for is freedom, then maybe they shouldn't be working backwards on the concept of the true self and forcing members to feel like they need to identify with traits specific to the culture.
>>6440483
>then maybe they shouldn't be working backwards on the concept of the true self and forcing members to feel like they need to identify with traits specific to the culture.
I don't know what it's like where you live, but one of the cores of the LGBT community here is to accept all people no matter what their view is or where they fit in. i.e. You don't have to "identify with traits specific to the culture" you can literally just be whoever-the-fuck-you-want. And it's actually more admired if you don't fall into a stereotype of some sort.
I feel like most people in this thread haven't actually gone outside and assume the LGBT community is like some tumblr land, solely based on what they've read on the internet.
>>6440546
Most of the people here have never gone outside. They were born in petri dishes in their basements, and have been there ever since.
>>6437823
Oooh call him a house gay next! Or an Uncle Tom! That'll show him. How DARE people not be like you!
>>6440411
Congratulations, you failed spectacularly!
>>6437809
You don't go anywhere. You live your life and fuck who you want and be happy with the fact that your sexual orientation isn't a huge part of your personality. You don't have to go to Pride events to be gay or consider yourself part of the "community." Just be you.
Just be warned that plenty of fags will call you Uncle Tom or whatever because you're not shitting glitter 24/7. But that's okay, there's plenty out there just like you so don't let the others get you down.
just don't participate
i sure don't
>tfw kissless virgin
>>6437809
The Republican Party.
They hate identity politics and wish everyone would just man up and stop acting like they're so oppressed and offended all the time. Also, they want to bomb the shit out of ISIS.
>>6440411
Give it a couple years and it won't be okay no more.
>>6437809
I am a bear, my bf is much cuter
my bf wants to drag me to "up your alley"
>told me to book a hotel now kuz they fill up
I am a little hesitant
while i'd love to be gagged and handcuffed and lead around on a collar im not sure how i feel about it, it looks like 100% bears and thats what my bf likes but im into cuter guys
do i just suck it up and go have fun or what
>also who has been will it all be bears or is there cute people too
