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>AGP questions and answers
>Thoughts and feelings / emotions
>Help, advice, guidance
>Be cozy and chill out
>What is AGP?
Autogynephilia, from Greek αὐτό- ("self"), γυνή ("woman") and φιλία ("love")
Broadly, arousal to the thought of being a woman. It can take many forms - being aroused at imagining or seeing yourself with a female body, dressing in clothes that make you appear feminine, acting in stereotypical "feminine" ways, or others.
>Isn't AGP just discredited pseudoscience?
No, you might be thinking of Blanchard's Typology, which includes the idea of AGP. Regardless of whether or not you agree with Blanchard's ideas, AGP is very real to the people who experience it.
>I'm AGP, does this mean I'm not trans?
No, you can be AGP and trans.
>Aren't you all just trannies in denial?
Some people with AGP will go on to transition, while others are content with incorporating it into their sex life or simply the occasional indulgence. It varies greatly in intensity. If AGP consumes a lot of your mental energy or causes you lots of distress, it is probably worth asking more questions.
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>>6295709
>tfw browsing some sketchy chinese sites that sell silicon breast forms because I can't afford surgery yet but still want to fill my clothes nicely.
>inb4 just wait for hormones to do their job.
I'm almost 8 months and spiro + finasteride ain't doing shit.
I want to be a titty cow now.
>>6371769
>I'm almost 8 months and spiro + finasteride
Same here! Since early November.
---
I experiences AGP at my early crossdressing phases. Got aroused. But only the first time I tried something on. The feeling left quickly. Was in denial about being trans despite of that.
>>6371769
>wants to be titty cow
>not taking estrogen
uwot
>>6371996
I'm taking what the doctor is giving me. What else I can take other than those two? And how I can tell my endo I want to switch so I can grow bigger breasts?
>>6372093
>>6371709
Oh oh look what we have here.
This edition is really, really nice.
Yes, I'm a tripfag now.
>>6372093
um you literally need estrogen
right now youre only on anti androgen (spiro) and anti MPB medication(finasteride)
lmao
>>6372719
>>6372278
My endo trolling me then? Fuck.
Do I stop going to that clinic and move somewhere else or I can try to sort this by talking to her? fuck, like seriously fuck.
Is it possible to become so disgusted with yourself that you go full AAP instead? From an early age I crossdressed and would imagine myself transforming into a woman while fapping. But I was disgusted with myself so I went through a process of binging and purging on crossdressing. Eventually I got into futa and trap porn and the thought of being a woman no longer excited me. Porn with real women in it wasn't exciting at all.
So I started transition and became the little trap. Over time I found myself looking at men more and more. Somewhat recently I've allowed myself to admit that I'm really quite attracted to guys, not just as props for my feminization fantasies, but because men are pretty hot. Now I find myself in a position where, increasingly, I fap to nothing but gay male and trap porn and all my fantasies revolve around how hot gay sex is and thinking of myself as a submissive male in a gay relationship.
Everything I've read about AGP suggests that AGPs have a strong orientation toward women and that bisexuality in AGPs isn't genuine. What the hell do I even call myself at this point?
>>6372861
You are literally me. Like literally literally.
I just ended up here because I liked the OP pic, btw.
>>6372861
that sounds just like standard gay fantasy..
>>6372908
At least I'm not alone anymore ;__;
>>6372990
I think it's a little more complicated than just being gay. As far as I know there are no gay men that experience erotic or autoerotic crossdressing. Like there are guys into the sissy fetish who mostly or exclusively have gay sex but AGP theory says they're probably (at the very least) behaviorally AGP.
On the other hand, I really CANT see myself having sex as a woman and the thought of being a real woman doesn't do anything for me. Like, the idea of being a trap was hot. But I have no desire to actually be a real female.
I think to some extent I just wanted to become what I was attracted to, which is mostly traps and femboys. Its hard for me to reconcile my experiences with the "two types" narrative of AGP, but I think I might still have some of the diagnostic markers.
>>6372808
Try talking to her first
>>6373111
So are you saying you're a big guy
I just hate that I'm trans while fapping and cis when out and about, unless I come across something distinctly feminine like some dresses in a window and want to wear them or get married in them
>>6373332
Get on hormones and then you'll never be trans or cis ;^]
>>6371709
AGP sounds about right.
I've had, and continue to have, fantasies about being biologically female, but I really have no desire to go through surgical reassignment or take hormones to alter my body. For me, it's just a fantasy, maybe something I'd enjoy roleplaying in the bedroom and explore through drag cosplay once in awhile, basically a fetish like being into BDSM or something.
Which one do you want to be agpg and why is it Jupiter?
>>6375537
Mars but with a cock.
>>6375656
>with a cock
yuck
do you even AGP?
>>6375662
feminine penis is okay
>>6375662
>do you even AGP?
Not like some the disgusting heteros around here. I'm not into pussy.
>>6375537
>agp
>not Venus
are you even trying?
>>6375537
Jupiter or Venus, varies
>>6372861
>Everything I've read about AGP suggests that AGPs have a strong orientation toward women and that bisexuality in AGPs isn't genuine.
i want to be a cis girl and have sex with guys. sex with other girls is secondary. but being a girl is the most important thing. why can't agp be bi or str8?
>Go through days where I'm fine and aside from the occasional thought don't have any problem with being a man; fetish still turns me on
>Have days where I'm all I WISH I WAS A WOMAN WAAAAAAAAH; still get turned on by the thought
>Constantly flipflop between thinking this is just a sex thing or something more
Being indecisive is fucking awful.
>>6377917
if it makes you feel better i don't feel any less indecisive despite having taken hormones for months
>>6375537
>not Sailor Mars
>>>/out/
>>>/trash/
Bump, fast board today
>>6386950
I want to hear some AGP sex stories
>>6387001
What do you mean? Like fiction porn? Or stories of what happened when AGPs has sex?
>>6387078
No real stories
>stories of what happened when AGPs has sex?
yeah pretty much
>>6387129
it's not really entertaining but presumably that's not what you're after..
>get this fwb situation with a girl
>apparently she liked me for years but i didn't know
>she ends up taking the lead a lot, maybe in part because I was a virgin
>that's nice. it's emotionally nice but doesn't feel like much (I had a particularly bad circumcision) and I get tired of fucking her when I have to dom
>blows me one time, move her hand down to my balls, then without realizing it further and further until (I later know) she's basically fingering my butt, then I get into it...
>tfw someone scared away the weird smiley spammer
Blasphemy but I liked him despite the XDness he was nice.
>>6393408
You never truly scare off a poltergeist.
>>6393408
LOLOL lasermind?
>>6377897
You notice how some people in this thread mention loving men as props in the fantasy of femininity instead of loving them for being men? That's the pseudoandrophilia Blanchard refers to. It's also based on the idea that bio males can't genuinely be bisexual, only straight or gay, so it's kind of tenuous.
>>6387129
Why do you want shit that's depressing to think about? You realize most of us have a hard enough time getting laid without mentioning this shit, right?
Most of my stories are pretty much
>nervously mention I want to have sex
>maybe get it
>end up doing oral or hammering away on top for 15-20 minutes without finishing because it's not really that arousing
>girl breaks up with my shortly after
I'd be amazed if there was a "happy end" story that didn't involve an actual trans girl. Women who are willing to put up with this shit from straight men aren't just rare, they flat out don't exist.
>>6397124
>>end up doing oral or hammering away on top for 15-20 minutes without finishing because it's not really that arousing
>>girl breaks up with my shortly after
>>6396855
i mean..you don't have to not be gay but meta attraction to men as props is something common and peculiar to agps
>>6397124
I know these feels
>Bf has ago
>Only ever managed to make him cum once
>The few times we try to have PIV he pretty much immediately goes soft
:(
>>6397995
I mean, you could still try to get a gf... Just don't expect it to miraculously go away. Might get better slowly. At least, I hope so
>>6397830
My ex-gf could tell that I wasn't into it. Like I could make out and do foreplay forever, which was great, but for the sex part I was mentally not there. She'd get confused about why I never wanted to move onto sex, and then she'd feel bad that I never got off. Not that I didn't like her, I just hated being "the guy". The only times I was really turned on were when she was aggressive and rough.
>>6397995
Ikr?
>>6398058
I feel too far gone at this point to get a gf
>>6397830
>agp boyfriend
I'm sorry. That must suck.
>>6398149
It's confusing sometimes. And sometimes I worry he'll turn into a hon. But he's cute and we have a lot in common and I love him, so... ?
>>6398279
Not sure if it's your thing, but maybe try treating him more girly next time? Pretend you're dykes or something.
Also, if you are worried about him turning into a hon, then you should both have a really serious conversation about his real feelings. If he has the opportunity to avoid being hon-tier, he won't forgive himself if he screws it up.
I've always loved the idea of having a transitioning agp gf (so a cutie transbian)
I'd wanna buy her dresses and do her make up and remind her to take her hormones.
Also I'd want to fuck the shit out of her with a strap on but hey what can you do.
>>6399501
Hnnnngh..
>Be on HRT for the past 4 months
>Yesterday I was blushing while talking to a cute guy.
>I never been into guys.
What's going on lgbt???
>agp
>hrt
Are you just constantly turned on by yourself?
>>6399501
anon!
absolutely degenerate! what kind of person would want their girlfriend to be dominant and turn them into a girl?
>>6399699
All the cutest girls do, silly!
>>6399501
lies! this doesn't exist
this can never exist
>last thread was about SADNESS and SCIENCE
>this thread is about LEWDNESS
wew
>>6399798
but i'm really a boy. should we be doing this? and calling me girly names and telling me how feminine i'm becoming? i'm trying to be a boy! i'm supposed to be a boy! this really isn't right.
>>6399835
shush!!!
>>6399853
You're MUCH too pretty to just be a boy!!
>>6399835
B-but all I want is for you to be my pretty girl...
>>6399903
theres nothing here except gross hons
>>6399895
What will my guy friends think if I they notice I shaved my legs? they already tease me relentlessly about you wearing the pants, and how i've never been as tough as them. and how am i supposed to coverup when i go back to school in the fall? those rooms are like 95 degrees. i can't just wear a hoodie!
i'm scared. :(
>>6399574
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
>>6398914
We do the role reversal thing sometimes. He also seems to like being pegged. Problem is I'm also very submissive in bed so it's like two subs... We take turns but I think neither of us is comfortable being the dom.
As for hon, he claims he's getting better but idk. The kind of porn he's into is all forced fem stuff. Like, being forced to take hormones. Plus he wants boobs so it seems a lot like trans in denial. I've tried talking to him but he always gets kinda evasive and says he won't do it because he doesn't want to disappoint his parents.
>>6400062
Ah, I see. Does he fit the type 3 profile?
http://www.avitale.com/developmentalreview.htm
>>6399988
They're just jealous they can't be cute girls like you! Don't be scared, you're just being yourself!
>>6400062
>he always gets kinda evasive and says he won't do it because he doesn't want to disappoint his parents.
Keep trying, though without getting too pushy and making it worse. If his main reasons for not transitioning are things like lack of social acceptance or feeling "illegitimate" because of being AGP, rather than because he doesn't actually want to be female nor feel gender dysphoria, then you should be concerned.
>Patient wants to cure his gender dysphoria and be a man
>Give him a lethal dose of estrogen instead
>>6400145
For real? You want me to go outside dressed as a girl too?
Y-you think I could really be a girl, forever? They won't laugh at me?
>>6371709
Found porn of a girl who looked kind of like me and thought it was really hot. However, I don't fantasize about being a woman so I guess I'm just kind of vain?
>>6372808
Ask them about it, maybe they put you on a trial run or something and you're getting hormones later
You shouldn't be on hormone blockers on too long without taking hormones anyway and any endo knows it so they probably have their reasons
Also
>not researching every meds you get as soon as you get prescription
Like, aren't you at least curious?
>>6400727
Nobody would dream of laughing at such a beautiful girl. I'll even take you out to buy all your clothes and make up and perfume!
>>6400325
>If his main reasons for not transitioning are things like lack of social acceptance or feeling "illegitimate" because of being AGP, rather than because he doesn't actually want to be female nor feel gender dysphoria, then you should be concerned.
those are perfectly good reasons not to transition and announce to everyone you're mentally ill
>>6399574
We /gaygp/ now
Enjoy your stay, faggot. It never ends.
>>6400871
What exactly is gay about a girl being attracted to guys?
>>6400138
I wish reading this didn't make me cry/tear up like a faggot every time.
>>6398279
>>6400062
This is why I don't think there's a happy ending for AGP straight guys - either the guy is actually trans, the girl gets fed up and leaves for a guy who can meet their needs, or they go off to chase girls.
I generally don't think there's a such thing as dominant cishet girls either, which definitely factors in here. I've met exactly one who claimed to be and wasn't asexual, only for her to decide that she's actually lesbian down the line while simultaneously pining over fictional dominant guys.
AGP is a sexual hell in the same way sitting on 4chan threads like this is - you can refresh forever, waiting and hoping for that big break that'll help you redefine your life and make things ok, but the reality of the situation is you're just waiting and fantasizing over something that'll never happen.
>>6400893
>What exactly is gay about a girl being attracted to guys?
No matter what chemicals you pump in you or bits you cut off, trannies are biologically male. Stop trying to opt out of faggotry you goddamn faggots. I'm even willing to meet you in the middle if you want to say that you're a combination of both sexes, but its literally impossible to become fully female.
>>6398114
I was never great with girls before anyway...
now I'm just an even more depressed loser on hormones. basically a huge pussy no girl would ever want
>>6399574
Give details. What started the conversation? How do you know him? What were you talking about? Was there a specific trigger? Did he or anyone else notice? Where was this? What were other people's reactions if they did notice? What were you thinking when you started blushing?
>>6400959
because of empathy or experience?
>>6400967
But why are you so mad though?
>>6406854
I honestly don't know if that sort of person thinks they will convince anyone
>>6406829
Because it reminds me I'm a tranny and I don't want to be like that.
>>6406854
Ex tranny m8
>>6408406
ah, so future hon? or simply lalalarry sans trip?
How many of you guys have rape fetishes?
MTF's in real life tend to be basically be normie women with really vanilla sexual tastes
Are AGP's generally kinky/submissive?
Where do you find them on the internet?(outside of 4chan)
>>6399501
This sounds an awfully lot like the transbians in mtfg. lol
>>6408642
>MTF's in real life tend to be basically be normie women with really vanilla sexual tastes
I feel like the idea that most women have vanilla sexual tastes is probably just misogyny and people thinking women dislike sex.
If you wanna fuck a tranny try finding one of craigslist or something I dunno.
>>6408642
be a gril or gtfo
>>6408473
I'll put a bullet in my head before I give into such degenerate impulses tbqh
>>6408793
>I feel like the idea that most women have vanilla sexual tastes is probably just misogyny and people thinking women dislike sex.
it's completely true though, women view sex as a chore for the most part
something like 80% never orgasm during sex with someone else
>>6408831
well fair enough i guess
future suicide vitcim then
>>6408831
You just haven't heard the bells yet, you will be fine, hon.
xoxoxo
>Be male,
> feel predominantly male
>Wish to remain male.
>Keep being told my fetish means I'm trans
>Start questioning
>Still want to remain male
>Still love transformation fantasies and Traps
Is there anywhere this can be discussed without trannies telling me to fuck up my endocrine system and chop my nuts off?
>>6409712
This is what I love about AGP. Some AGPs are cis males with a fetish. Others, are trans to some degree but still have AGP.
BTW, check out http://www.crossdreamers.com or http://transcendmovement.com/
I recommend AGP to all trans boys to help deal with dysphagia
>runs, boobs bounce
>feels dysphoria coming on
>gets aroused instead
It actually works most of the time
>>6410084
Dysphoria, dumb autocorrect
>>6371709
>19th bday coming up
>feeling the pressure of whether to transition or not
How do I even choose at this point? I feel like I'm never gonna stop questioning.
>>6399574
fucking ESTROGEN
>>6409712
>Start questioning
>Still want to remain male
The first thing we can discuss is why you insist on lying to yourself.
>>6410271
>I feel like I'm never gonna stop questioning.
You probably aren't, at least to some degree.
It can be hard to distinguish rational doubt from irrational doubt. Only the irrational doubt will make you think you shouldn't transition even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. I'd spend long periods of time crying about how I'm never going to be female and about all my masculine features and other things that no cis male would ever feel bad about, and go over all the very clear and persistent sign that I'm trans, and consciously acknowledge that I'm obviously trans, and like half an hour afterwards I'd go right back to irrationally doubting myself; repeat endlessly for years. I've recently started HRT and feel significantly better for it but still irrationally doubt myself.
At this point I really should be sure I'm trans, or if "not really trans" in some meaningful way then if nothing else want and would benefit from transition, but I'm not. I'm hoping that eventually things will work out; any steps I've taken towards transitioning have been good so far so I presume it will continue that way, but I can't know particularly confidently until I've transitioned a lot more substantially.
You have to trust yourself with this. It's also worth keeping in mind that the alternative to not transitioning is to do nothing and hope your dysphoria goes away by itself for whatever reason; not to seem like I'm pushing you to transition, but that doesn't reassure me that anything could improve without transitioning.
>>6410298
I only really started to question after reading up on the fetish and being told it meant I was trans. I have body image issues and low self esteem and was pretty relentlessly bullied in childhood. However when I question I always come to the same conclusion that I would definitely prefer to live the rest of my life as a man. I took a fuckload of acid to get a greater insight into my mind. Found some childhood issues and other things and came to the conclusion again that that was what I wanted.
I think there is definitely a feminine part of me. But I definitely want to live my life as a man.
>tfw you dream of being someone's girlfriend
>wake up
end this
>>6410271
>>6410460
Not directed directly at you but at the entire thread:
Don't listen to anyone telling you "yes" or "no". There are people with agp for whom it is just a fetish and there are those who feel like they will never be unhappy as men and choose to transition. It is up to you to figure out which group you belong to. Do the research.
I've been trying to do that for a long time and I honestly don't know what's the answer. This wouldn't be the case if it was simple for everyone.
>>6410454
That's pretty much how I feel too. And you're totally right, I don't really see my dysphoria suddenly vanishing into thin air.
I talked to my therapist last week about "not really feeling super masculine" as a cop-out because I'm so scared of talking about it for some reason. Maybe I should just tell her everything and see how I feel then.
Good luck on your journey anon, hope everything works out for you!
>>6410500
Of course! I've thought about it a lot, but I just don't seem to get any closer to the answer. I really don't feel like I will ever be comfortable as male, but who knows? What if I choose to transition and regret? The usual. It's eating at me every day, and I don't know what to do. As I said in the other reply, I'll try talking to my therapist if I can muster up the courage to tell her. And always "nice" to hear from others struggling, it can just get so lonely at times. At least we're in it kinda in it together I guess.
I feel like I sound really stupid right now, but I've just been so stressed out about everything the last couple of months. Hope I'm coherent and all.
>>6410547
Please do talk to your therapist. They're there to help you, no?
>>6410554
I know, I've just never told a soul about it in real life. It's a huge decision for me just to open up about it, and I'm horrible with those. I really, really hope that I won't pussy out again at our next appointment. I get super anxious just thinking about it though. Fuck..
>>6410568
Good luck. I hope things work out for you.
>>6410763
Thanks, I hope so too.. And best of luck to you as well!
>>6409634
>Your future doesn't have to be as bad as that, if you don't ignore it and do something about it now.
Ignoring it is exactly what I'm doing though.
I'd rather be dead than have people know I'm a tranny.
I'm going to write an entry to Morpheus' Twisted series, so I wonder, /agpg/, what feminine archetypes would you like to see someone "twist" into?
>>6410460
>I definitely want to live my life as a man.
Why you always lying senpai?
>>6410930
So you're crying because you've made the choice to repress instead of making an attempt to be happier? You know it won't actually be that bad when you tell someone, don't you? Even if you do feel bad about it, you have to move past that feeling if you know what you want is to transition. You can't let the fear of embarrassment hold you back. How often do you hear about someone being glad they held back from doing something because of fear than the opposite?
>see pictures of certain girls
>want to shoot myself because I will never be them
This isn't dysphoria right
This is normal
>>6412663
that's what i always tell myself
better to be a good looking man than an ugly neither man nor woman, right?
>>6412683
It's almost getting to the point where I'd rather just die. But really that's most likely my impressionable and lonely mind latching on to anything it can find, I just need to break the cycle
>>6408832
i've never seen a ciswoman with vanilla sexual tastes but i might be just attracting other degenerates
>>6412736
of the very few women i've been with they were all vanilla
>>6412736
Most straight ciswomen have boring sexual fantasies.
>>6412607
I'm the only "kid" in my extended family that didn't fuck up, I got good grades and am going to college.
I don't want to tar myself as extra gay (what people see trans as). I don't think anyone would accept it either, I mean I don't know how mom would feel but I know my dad would hate me for it. I know one of my grandparents would probably be okay and one wouldn't like me.
And I don't know how long I can deal with wishing I was a girl without snapping and killing myself or something, so I'd be a huge loser anyway but older family members might be dead by then and won't see me disgrace m yself.
I'm really just scared of being judged.
>>6371709
Man am I confused. Ok so I'm gay, I like men and I'm a man. I'm a bottom 99%. These past few months instead of fapping to my regular twink and gay stuff I've fapped to sissy femboy Tgirl and trap stuff. The thing is I don't want to be fucking them a I want to be in their position. It's been stuck in my head and bothering the fuck out of me that I might be trans. Thing is I like having a dick. I'd rather be a flat chested twink than a big breasted bimbo. That being said I constantly keep thinking about this. I can't get it out of my head even though I keep reinforcing that I'm just fetishizing stuff. I even thought about being a Tgirl. I want this to stop and Id rather not be trans. I never had these thoughts until now. Heck I even looked a picture of a woman and thought "would I like to be her?" but with a dick. I've had fantasies. I want this to go away though since I'd like life to go back to its normal way. I remember one time I put on my moms lipstick and panties but that was one time and I was SUPER horny. Help.
>>6413840
you have two buttons; one turns you into a woman, the other leaves you a man (of equal attractiveness). you must push one, which do you push?
>>6414209
Press the man one I like having a dick. Though the idea of being a trap or a Tgirl when I'm horny is good. Moment I cum I feel regret to what I masturbate to and kinda snap to normal life. Even though I'm being honest with myself that I like being a dude I keep getting reminded of the trans stuff. It's like a voice in the back of my head I want to go away. I have a history of self diagnosis. Legit thought I had heart issues once and panicked...I had heart burn real bad was all after a doctor and EKG visit.
>>6414243
how long have you thought of this?
>Though the idea of being a trap or a Tgirl when I'm horny is good. Moment I cum I feel regret to what I masturbate to and kinda snap to normal life
how long have you had hypochondriac tendencies?
you will randomly receive a penis or vagina after you make the next choice. you now choose whether to have secondary sexual characteristics of the average male vs average female (e.g. skeleton, muscular and fat distributions, etc.). which?
>>6414399
Male twink like body is what I'd chose. I've had hypochondriac tendencies long in my life the tiniest thing can send me into a panick mode. I one time hit my foot on a piece of metal outside got no cut yet I researched tetanus. I mean despite the trap and femboy stuff I certainly like dudes. I used to fap to muscular guys when I was VERY young and started watching gay porn. Now it's twinks or twunks.
>>6414432
you don't sound very trans imo then
>>6414209
Not him, but I never trust this question because it arouses me
>>6414564
does it really matter though? so what if it arouses you? would it change your answer?
>>6414577
Yes because I get caught up in sexual fantasy when aroused and I'm AGP as fuck
>>6414503
Yeah I should stop fapping to that sissy stuff.
>>6414579
so are you saying when you are not aroused, you prefer to be a man, and when you are, you prefer to be a woman? and you get aroused when proposed the idea of having a button that turns you into a woman?
>>6414633
yeah, and when I cum I am okay with being a man again
>>6414643
tell me about what you feel in the moments while you're fapping or whatever to these agp sexual fantasies, then when you cum, then after. what are your thoughts
>>6414664
"Oh yes I want to be a beautiful woman living out her days and be adored by handsome men and oh yes oh yes OH YES oh kay I am done now time to get back to whatever I was doing."
>>6414681
how long have you had these sorts of fantasies and how old are you?
>>6414719
Since I was 10, 24
>>6414726
you were having sexual fantasies at 10?
>>6414755
that's a rough, it was more like 12
>>6414765
do you think about this stuff at other times too? how did you find this thread and why are you on /lgbt/? have the fantasies changed in quality or intensity since you were 12? were there any proto-fantasies before then?
>>6414805
When I see girls in cute clothes, with pretty jewlery, or with painted nails. Also when I see a beautiful dress in a shop window. I blush a bit at those times thinking of them on me as a woman.
They fade in and out, but never vanish or fully take over my normal thought process.
Seeing MtFs gets me jealous and aroused from the jealousy. Or just seeing guys become girls turns me on and the arousal makes me want to become one too.
I crossdressed once, but with my sister as a joke who wore my father's clothes. I also crossed my legs a lot and wanted to be like certain female characters at certain points, but nothing that ever seriously made me think "I want to be a girl"
>>6414822
do you ever get jealous of girls at those times? what makes you get jealous of mtfs? have you ever wanted to crossdress since that time, even if to fap?
>>6414755
Not that guy but I've had AGP fantasies, minus the sex, since I was fucking 4. Was just really obsessed with the idea of boys turning into girls. It took until I was 12 for it to turn sexual.
>>6414924
So have I (well not exactly 4 but some single digit age)....I used to be really into cartoons and stuff that had genderbender episodes
>>6415041
yeah...it's getting to the point where i'm seriously considering i might just be a tranny. i hate myself for it and keep hoping i will realize it's all a big jewish trick and not actually how i feel
>>6412704
You keep telling yourself that, hon.
Seriously, you would benefit from therapy. It will help you find out if you are trans, and regardless, it will help you understand what you're feeling and how to deal with it.
Many repressed trans people have said/thought the exact same kind of things that you have, especially AGP ones.
>>6415247
>Seriously, you would benefit from therapy. It will help you find out if you are trans, and regardless, it will help you understand what you're feeling and how to deal with it.
And after how many therapists and months trying does it do this? Because it hasn't helped me one bit
>>6415247
and realistically I'm probably just exaggerating, why would I think that or say that? It's absurd, and given how I probably suffer from depersonalization how could I even be correct about such thoughts when I hardly know which ones are real and which are not
>>6413840
you might have ocd anon
>>6414755
Not them but I did
t. early puberty
Honestly I think the reason I have retarded fetishes is that I didn't have an access to pornography of any kind as a kid so when masturbating I had to rely on whatever my brain generated from my environment rather than, say, pics of naked women or vanilla sex
One of the most erotic things I had was this gits pic and I blame it for kickstarting my fantasies about fucking robots/cyborgs
>>6414969
Same, and NB/genderless characters
>>6415302
>given how I probably suffer from depersonalization how could I even be correct about such thoughts when I hardly know which ones are real and which are not
damn das me
>>6414755
i had them before 10 where i would unknowingly imagine myself as a woman engaging in some submissive practices. It was literally AGP.
>>6414921
Sometimes. I mostly just realize it as fetish desire. I get (sexually) jealous that they were able to make the leap and transition. I crossdress when fapping frequently, but don't dress too long when not fapping.
Who here /wanttobeiggy/
>>6419931
she looks too plastic for me tbqh
>>6397995
Getting a GF only makes it worse.
>>6419947
bimbo aesthetic seems appealing sometimes
>>6400962
Ouch. That really hurt. Pull your punches anon.
>>6419994
So what I'm just doomed to be alone forever?
>inb4 just date men
This is the gen for me
>AGP and not trans
My life is going to be hell isn't it
>>6420268
Agp and not trans is desu the best choice. Especially if you're young and skinny ( a twink ). Trans on the other hand, is a mental disease. I'm sorry and I don't mean to offend anyone who is trans but we all need to take off the rose colored glasses. I have EXTREME Agp, it turned me into a straight up flaming faggot. I want to be a girl 24/7. I like crossdressing, being submissive, etc..
The reason I'm not trans is because the technology is not near there, though some might have you believe hormones do anything the truth is, they don't do anything a gay guy doesn't do with a little extra work. Body hair? Wax. Soft skin? Moisturize.
Yeah, they give you tits and perhaps if you're lucky an inch on your waistline. Your bones stay the same. Your voice is still deep. You still have a dick. Had I been born in 2050 the technology would probably be there but it's just not yet. Trans is the result of an over feminization of society coupled with extremely perverse pornography and a general lack of identity, this is the truth though I know most of you won't have the eyes to see.
>>6420334
How old are you?
>>6420334
Voice Training and SRS take out two of those, but yeah most MtFs don't really have a figure. Also you forgot to mention broad shoulders, and smaller breasts than usual
>>6420348
25, why? I'm not saying I'm 100% sure id transition if the tech was there but the chance is greatly increased.
>>6420357
"Voice training" is literal self-brainwashing; the tongue remembers. It has nothing to do with the hormones. My AGP extends into that realm as well, I love sounding feminine.
>>6420374
I assumed you were younger and hadn't gotten hit by the DHT train yet
also your post makes you sound trans whether or not you actually transition or take hormones
>>6420410
Maybe I am trans, but I have man muscles and bones and voice and when I'm old and no longer beautiful I probably won't have this fetish and may even be straight again. Lol.
Pic is an example of someone who is getting too old to be doing this. But hey whatever makes you happy.
>>6420429
>makes you happy.
do you think this is a game?
Why are people talking about everyone being trans? This is /agpg/, not /mtfg/
>>6420605
what's the difference? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>6420605
Some agps end up going full tranny, and it's likely those that would do that are more likely to dwell here a lot
>>6400962
This is why I genuinely envy "real" trannies. At least they have a victory condition. I can never win. No matter where I go, I'm fucked.
The approach to life I've taken is "disregard sexuality; acquire currency".
>>6422261
>This is why I genuinely envy "real" trannies. At least they have a victory condition. I can never win. No matter where I go, I'm fucked.
I remember making a thread years ago the first time I discovered this very concept, even before I really fell this deep into agp. It doesn't get better
>>6422302
I have 600 hours in Mount&Blade.
If I feel like I'm not trans when I am not fapping, is there at least a way to stop being AGP
>>6422986
If you feel normal when not masturbating then this is just a fetish for you. What's the issue? Hell is when this becomes something more.
>>6422999
Because trips-kun, i hate walking past women's clothes or liking a girl's outfit or nails and feeling aroused then getting trans thoughts and wishing I could be like that girl
>>6423018
Are you sure you get The Feels(c) because you get aroused by those clothes and not because of the other, dreaded reasons? Your first post made me think you're just a normative person with a kink. The second is suspect.
>>6423038
The arousal definitely comes first.
>>6423053
Interesting. I don't know what to tell you in that case.
>tfw no tits
>>6422261
As the guy you're replying to, I can say that money is not a cure-all.
I make decent money for someone my age (26). I'm more or less self-made and have a salary that plops me right in the middle/upper-middle class, which says a lot considering most people I know in my age bracket still room with other people for financial reasons.
It doesn't help; I have the means to get most of the material things I want with some smart financial moves, but I'm fully aware I've basically hit my own glass ceiling. The only big thing I want now is my own house, but it's hard to afford and maintain a full sized house with just one person, especially when you're working your ass off as is for your job. I had to sit on the phone and listen to my grandpa talk about how my cousin is expecting her first kid and he's gonna be a great-grandpa soon and that I need to hurry up and find a girl and buy a home and blah blah blah. All I could think about was the fact that my own sexual disorders are preventing me from having either of those things, because girls don't date guys like me, and they sure as shit don't consider them marriage material lest we lose it and go full Caitlyn in our 60s. As best I can tell, this is as far as I can go.
>>6423910
That's awful. Be well.
The bottom line of my response was at least partially a joke. I figured that if you have a really cool job and a lot of interesting problems to solve you might be too busy to care about other stuff.
>>6423709
>tfw the one thing you wanted most out of transition was tits
>no tits
Can we please talk about boobs? I've been dying to talk about boobs. How can I maximize my titty gains? Because right now I am furious at my minor development. It's been about 10 months of hrt with a couple of breaks in between. I've only got a handful and it's completely throwing off my figure given how wide my hips are. My mom and closest relatives are around upper Cs and Ds but I'm worried that's just because they're fairly.
If I were to gain weight, how likely is it right now that it would go to bolstering my boobies? And besides that what else can I do to max out tit growth? I'm boymode right now so I wear an athletic compression vest to hide them, should I stop doing that? Please help, I desperately want cowtits.
>>6419994
Feeling jealousy of her?
>>6420135
Nooooo, anon. Of course not. You have to get on HRT first so you have some soft, squishy bits for your bf to grab. He'll have you squealing just from putting his hands on your tender nipples. ;D
>>6420176
You tried mtfg first?
>>6420268
Eh, why not transition anyway? If you think you have a chance of looking good, you might be better off just for finally getting the persistent fantasies out of the way. You could move on. You probably think you don't have much chance even if you went for it, though, right?
>>6420334
Better to be on HRT to ward off the man in the mirror even if you'll never be the fairest of them all, senpai.
>>6420374
Your tongue doesn't affect your voice's pitch.
>>6420429
>when I'm old and no longer beautiful I probably won't have this fetish and may even be straight again.
Maybe some time on a site like Susan's or Laura's is what you need...
>>6423709
>>6425712
>>6425836
Are either of you on micronized progesterone, senpai? If even progesterone fails you, maybe you can consider http://www.noogleberry.com/women-s-health-products/breast-enlargement-systems-info
So why are you focusing on titties and not ass, anyway? Is it because you can appreciate your own breasts better than your own ass? Or do you just prefer breasts to asses in general?
>I'm boymode right now so I wear an athletic compression vest to hide them, should I stop doing that?
Putting weight on your titties will ruin their growth, senpai. There was an article I read about African or Muslim mothers smacking their daughters' budding breasts so they would turn out shit and not be alluring to guys (so they wouldn't lose their virginity before they were married). Also, you have as many months as I do and I'm also not even filling an A, though I haven't taken any breaks.
>>6426007
So I'm actually ahead of the game? That's good news. What's a better method of hiding my tits then? The vests don't apply too much pressure, it's basically just like wearing a tight tank top. And I work my ass like crazy, it's just that without big boobs to balance out my frame I look silly. I'm very passable, except for the place where (at the very least) C cup boobies should be.
>>6426007
I'm not on micronized progesterone. Should I be? I've been doing 200 Spiro and 4 Progynova.
>>6422313
step up sempai
and this isn't even including all my pirated shit and WoW
>>6425836
>And besides that what else can I do to max out tit growth?
You could try gaining weight until they're big enough then lose until necessary
There's a meme that if you loose weight you will loose from your tits first
>I'm boymode right now so I wear an athletic compression vest to hide them, should I stop doing that?
Yeah probably
>>6426007
>There was an article I read about African or Muslim mothers smacking their daughters' budding breasts so they would turn out shit and not be alluring to guys (so they wouldn't lose their virginity before they were married).
Doesn't it work by melting the fat or something though?
Unless there's a another method I don't know of that uses pressure alone rather than heat
>>6426024
>And I work my ass like crazy, it's just that without big boobs to balance out my frame I look silly.
But big ass with tiny tits is the best
>>6424143
That's what I thought too. I don't have many "irl" friends so I have most of my time all to myself, though sometimes it gets to the point where the only things I'll say to people for an entire week that doesn't go through a Skype call revolves around ordering food. I do a lot of research and writing in my spare time, but at the end of the day, nothing really stops those thoughts of loneliness and your personal flaws from creeping in, especially when everyone else around you seems to be getting married, transitioning, or otherwise moving towards an end goal of sorts. Maybe that's just me though. Most people seem to be just fine living life day to day.
>>6377917
Are you me? I feel exactly the same.
>>6377917
>>6426226
Start anti-androgens at the least.
>>6426024
Well, I sleep with a pretty big stuffed animal on my chest, and I also went to sleep long after midnight 99% of that time, so I have no idea if my growth rate has been below average. I'm also not sure how much weight I'm actually putting on my chest with that animal. My mom's a C too.
If you pass well, why not just go full-time and forget hiding your tities? You don't have the money to update your wardrobe?
>>6426090
Well, there are some that think you should be on estrogen for one or two years before you start progesterone because that's how it is for cis girls (thelarche comes before menarche) but there are others that think if you're starting past 13, you're already over due to start progesterone and should start it as soon as possible. I'm not sure which yields better results or is more true.
>>6426134
Don't you wish you spent that time on HRT, instead, anon?
>>6426214
>There's a meme that if you loose weight you will loose from your tits first
That depends on your genetics.
>Doesn't it work by melting the fat or something though?
I didn't read anything about heat being involved.
>>6426224
On the contrary, lots of people feel like that. You probably look like you have your shit together to other people too, even if you don't social contacts.
>>6426272
I'd like to get electrolysis and voice surgery. Plus what I meant was that my body is very passable, if I add on tits. I've got wide hips and a decent waist but ribcage and shoulders (while within female proportions) pretty much only exist on busty chicks. Maybe I'm being stupid about this.
>>6426272
>You probably look like you have your shit together to other people too, even if you don't social contacts.
I do, and I know that for a fact because that exact phrase is the way my few friends always describe me. It's at the point where I regularly find myself trying to tell them a.) not really and b.) they shouldn't use me as a yardstick for success, especially when I've got a solid 3-5 years on most of them. I honestly feel bad about it, because I feel like any time I complain about anything I come across as whining about a life that doesn't merit whining.
>>6426272
>>There's a meme that if you loose weight you will loose from your tits first
>That depends on your genetics.
I got distracted while writing and forgot to finish the sentence
Was supposed to go "There's a meme that if you loose weight you will loose from your tits first but it's only true for some women so you might luck out" or something
>when you're too dumb to even type a post correctly
>I didn't read anything about heat being involved.
If wikipedia is to be trusted (all the sources are regular articles lol) there are different methods so I guess we both read about different extremes
>>6426279
Don't be so tsundere for the cock, anon. You know he could embrace you and fuck the shit out of you like no woman could. Ooh, maybe you're just keeping up the lesbian act so it's all the hotter when a guy seduces you.
>>6426301
Show me a pic comparing a busty chick's torso to a flat chick's.
>>6426322
Yeah, so it's a matter of perspective. The same way you feel is probably the same way the people you wish you could be more like feel.
>>6426330
Don't worry about it. I accidentally deleted the "have" in the "even if you don't have social contacts" line from that same post you replied to.
>>6426455
So you're already on HRT, but you don't think you'll pass?
>>6426752
you betcha
agp has and is ruining my life
>>6427065
Do you think you wouldn't mind the AGP if you had started HRT before puberty?
>>6427119
probably... i'd look like a gril
>>6427167
What were your and your family's views on LGBT at the time.
>>6426007
>why not transition anyway?
>tfw not trans
Did you read?
>>6427350
Even if you're not trans, you're AGP, so why not? What would you have to gain? What would you have to lose?
>>6427450
My sperm
>>6427277
i didn't know it existed
>>6427464
You can't afford to store it? Do you actually intend to have children? Even knowing you're AGP and it's possible you could go and transition on them in your forties or fifties and leave them without a father?
>>6427526
You didn't have internet, there wasn't a GSA at your school, you were home schooled? What's the story behind that?
>>6427666
2permanent4me whether I plan on kids or not
>>6427666
What do you mean story? I just didn't, it's not that crazy of an idea
>>6427749
How long ago was this? I mean you didn't know anything about gays or lesbians?
>>6427799
No, why would I?
I don't remember when I started puberty, the only thing I recall is that I suddenly discovered once in 8th grade I had pubes whereas the last time I remembered seeing I didn't was in 6th. So sometime between 11 and 14 it started, I guess. I'm 25 now
>>6425836
breastnexus
Is getting laid a good idea for figuring out if an AGP is trans or not?
It's hard because as a guy girls arouse me, and while I fap I don't usually think about fucking a girl
>>6430463
What would that tell you, do you think?
>>6427843
So there weren't any openly gay kids at your school? You had literally no idea gay people existed?
>>6432399
Maybe they were, I wouldn't have known or what that would even mean. Even if I did, I wouldn't have determined that I was gay because I'm still not now. Why do you think this is so absurd?
I didn't know what AGP was. I never masturbated until I forced myself to at 16 or 17 after getting tired of hearing how "great" it was.
>>6432495
You never saw a limpwristed fag character on TV or in a movie before? Literally where did you live?
>>6432514
Not that I recall. It wouldn't have set off any alarms even if I did.
Typical suburbia
>>6432637
I went to suburban schools too and there were still gay and lesbian kids, maybe even a closeted FtM, senpai. There weren't any attention whoring "bi" girls?
>>6432733
Like I said even if there were I wouldn't have known. Maybe it would help if I knew more what you're going for here
>>6432777
I'm curious because I asked what you and your family's views on LGBT were during puberty and then you said you didn't even know they existed. Which I find unbelievable unless we're talking about a small town, religious, maybe even home school upbringing. Classmatss were asking me what I thought about gays back in 4th grade. The governor when I was growing up had to resign because he was outed as gay. I'm not asking whether knowing LGBT people gave you any odd feelings, just whether you even knew they existed.
>>6432917
Like I said, I really didn't. I don't remember when I knew, let alone internalized what it meant, but it was solidly after high school began, and probably closer to the end or college. Father is kind of religious, but mostly because he's simple, not because of strong beliefs or rationalizations. Did you grow up in Portland OR something? How old are you?
>>6432951
I live in NJ, the governor was Jim McGreevey. To be specific, the way my classmates asked me what I thought about gays was, "Would you rather be gay or dead?" So they were actually very homophobic. I didn't know what gay was at the moment they asked me the question, but I learned very soon after. I'm also 21, so only 4 years younger than you are.
>>6432178
I dunno
>>6433012
Funny you mention that, NJ for me too. I somewhat remember that but I don't remember thinking about it or hearing anyone talk about it in school. You southern NJ then?
Will most gay dudes be turned off by idea of me cross dressing?
>>6433057
Well, one correction: I attended suburban schools in FL for 6-9 grades. But the rest of the time I attended inner city schools in Northern NJ. I don't remember anyone talking about McGreevey in school, just gays in general, but I was pissed off hearing about it on NYC radio stations, because it felt like they were rubbing it in our face for having a gay governor.
>>6433209
alright..well i guess we had different experiences. or you were just more sentient than i was
>>6433241
What do you mean by me being more sentient? Do you mean that only in being aware of the existence of gays? Because knowing about gays and lesbians didn't help me realize I was trans at all, and I only figured it out at the end of high school (but didn't accept it as a thing I had to do something about until 19, and even then, I didn't act until I turned 20 because of my anxiety).
>>6433399
I just mean not being oblivious to basically everything, not just gays. Maybe if I had been able to read this thread when I was young I would have given up sooner
>>6433188
Do you ask because you want to try living out the fantasy of getting fucked in real life but don't think you could swing a straight guy? I don't know if gay guys mind crossdressing partners for the most part. I know some do like when their partners do some light crossdressing like panties, but probably not the whole outfit. You could try making a Grindr profile and post that you're an MtF early in transition and you're looking to experiment with guys. I don't know if most gays read the profiles either, so reiterate what you're looking for in conversations you have with anyone that messages you and also include that you would like to crossdress during the acts. But be careful about condoms because gays can be shady. You might even want to ask that you both get tested together before hand.
>>6433575
Did you also grow up in an inner city school in northern NJ? How did you spend your free time? Was there anything you spent your time learning about? Like I would read about science stuff and lots of things that would be on the news. Would you spend your time reading strategy guides and discussions on video games?
>>6433587
I'm bi but think about being girl a lot. I'm not ugly and more cute than handsome but I'm still fairly obviously a boy so I can't imagine straight guys being into that.
Just curious if gay guys in general are accepting of that sort of thing or is it seen as weird.
>But be careful about condoms because gays can be shady
Do they slip them off or something? I've never done anything since I'm shy and due to fear of stds, so I have no idea how it all works.
>>6433587
no, not inner city or northern. suburbs.
i pretty much just played video games, some reading, we only had dialup until i was in high school and even then we only had one public computer
>>6433771
Damn, senpai. We had dial up up until we got to FL and we have had broadband ever since except for a short return to dial-up (first DSL then cable). That must have sucked. But I feel you on the one PC. There wasn't another PC besides the desktop until my dad bought himself a laptop in 10th grade. That thing didn't last long. But I could at least use my PS3's browser since 8th grade. I think what was most important in allowing me to read up on what I wanted was that my parents trusted me, and I was the only one who could actually set up parental controls. Not that I read anything about taboo topics beyond what was in the news and on Wikipedia, because the real parental controls were the thoughts they had embedded in my mind.
Hi /agpg/, I've been a lurker for a while and just wanted to report that I was able to finally end my agp and acquire a "normal" heterosexual drive.
Some background:
>be me
>around 12 or so get interested in female anatomy, looking at books and shit
>At 14 masturbated with my sister's underwear imagining myself as a girl
>tru-agp
>even when I had a girlfriend I still had to fantasize that I was a girl
>A few months ago at age of 20 I got into sissy hypno stuff
>things start getting serious, actually considering hormones and transitioning
>decide to give some masculinization hypno stuff a try
>it works
>no more agp
>completely normal heterosexual
>truly content with myself for the first time
If you want to listen to the files I used, I did the remasculinization files from the link below, good luck, and know that if you want to beat this you can because I did.
https://www.warpmymind.com/HFiles/#eyJoT2Zmc2V0IjoiMCIsInR4dFNlYXJjaCI6Im1hc2N1bGluaXphdGlvbiJ9
>>6434209
I'm glad things worked out for you but while hypnosis exists it doesn't work like you think it does. It just puts you in a very focused state and allows you to answer with less inhibition. Hypnosis of the kind you talk of is pretty much fake mysticism.
If you truly got over your AGP then you did that because you wanted to and made a mental effort to go in another direction. That's great. It also means your case was probably of the less severe kind as some other people in this thread reported trying to do the same and ending up just not getting turned on by the thoughts anymore but still desperately wanting to be women. Either way, congrats.
>>6434209
good for you anon
on a darker note i am high af right now and feeling not bad about how i just crossdressed and fapped again and felt girly
>>6433659
>Do they slip them off or something?
That, and they can also tear off the bit that covers the glans.
Blump
You're not tru-agp unless you wasted your youth playing dumb video games
>>6440728
you're not tru-agp unless you play the healslut
>>6441017
>took a brief break from a work crunch to play Overwatch yesterday
>tfw I played 6 rounds straight as healslut without thinking about it
>(and one Junkrat round because it's fun)
>>6441097
I only played the beta so I could self-insert
