Cis boys and girls, here, what's one thing about your gender that you think those transitioning to it could never understand?
menstruation
Testicles are uncomfortable as fuck 70% of the time, but extremely fun to play with especially during sex.
>>6329645
MTF's will never know how fucking hell menstruation feels in general
FTM's will never know how it feels to wake up with a hard dick and start trying to fuck your bed
>>6329645
That feeling when you actually need to empty your balls of cum and it's no longer just an urge.
One of the main reasons I think transmen are the least "Legitimate" of the two. A vagina is just a hole, a pleasure hole, surgery can give you one to an extent. Obviously there's no periods but that's just a once a month thing.
But there's a massive difference between having actually functional balls and a dick and a fake dick with some plastic balls with test injections. It just doesn't even resemble what a real man feels like tbqh imo
putting your finger in your foreskin and then huffing it
>>6329645
ftms will never know the feeling of getting a boner in public and then having to stand up and try to conceal it.
>>6330392
>foreskin
>>6330270
>boohoo i have a cramp in my stomach
i could accomplish the same thing eating shitpotle
>>6330304
>One of the main reasons I think transmen are the least "Legitimate" of the two.
because... their surgery technology is shitty?
MtF HRT is shittier than FtM HRT, how does that... i dont see how either of those affect the legitimacy of their conditions? Unless you're arguing against their legitimacy as male? there's a pretty big difference between having one time a month where you are batshit insane because of a period and just being batship insane all the time because you're an MtF too desu
xd
>>6330363
>>6330684
No, it's not even "Boo-hoo." It's like getting bad food poisoning and someones poking your insides with sharp shit randomly for week.
I'm not a very whiny bitch about pain, but it can suck fucking bad sometimes. You feel weak, iron count is all fucked up. You're tired, can get headaches fast or migaines and it just sucks. Put a clothespin on both of your balls and ducktape Them on tightly and have someone kick you in the stomach every other hour randomly. That's about how fucked it feels.
>>6330696
>literally giving yourself roidrage
>calling other people batshit
calm down bro, ur gonna hurt ur girlfriends.
>>6330715
Giving birth is the only thing thats "hard" about being female. Over exaggerate all you want.
>>6330722
im the other way around senpai
and ive never heard of an ftm getting roidrage, i think their dose is too low for that or something
>>6330715
Look up female ejaculation. If you can do it, there are chances it'll alleviate your cramps.
And no, I don't mean lookin at porn, I mean lookin at actual workshops by hardcore feminist performers explaining and doing the thing.
I'm not making this shit up.
>>6330739
>google FTM roidrage
>literally hundreds of topics with FTMs asking how to deal with it
>>6330715
>Put a clothespin on both of your balls and ducktape Them on tightly and have someone kick you in the stomach every other hour randomly. That's about how fucked it feels.
how the fuck would you actually know that do you have a vagina and balls?
these arguments are fucking stupid
>hurr ur period doesn't hurt you stupid woman i totally know this to be true
>hurr it feels just like if someone stabbed your balls with a hot darning needle dipped in rotting indian street shit i know this for a fact
>>6330749
>myth
>myth
>myth
well you sure made me look
>>6330749
no seriously what are you, i dont understand why an mtf would get this shitty about calling ftms not men and making up lies about them. i also dont understand why a transphobic person would specifically go for ftms while ignoring the far easier target. what weird abomination are you? did you date an ftm who beat you up once?
>>6330773
I never said FTMs weren't men. Men are terrible, you're men, you're terrible.
If you didn't notice, I was replying to someone who made a generalization about MTFs, and I responded in kind.
Maybe you are still women if you play the victim this hard, bro.
>>6330752
>>6330732
>mfw trans""girls""" are pissing their panties because the closest they'll get to having a period is cutting up their babydick
guess it does feel like some someone stabbed your balls, doesn't it :)
>>6330799
>getting this butthurt cause ur tumtum hurts :(
>>6329667
I know a lot of other trans girls who feel dysphoric cause they dont get it. Im actually kinda glad I dont.
>>6330270
>FTM's will never know how it feels to wake up with a hard dick and start trying to fuck your bed
This has literally never happened to me. I've only kinda had morning wood once but didn't jack off because of it. You guys must be way hornier than me
>>6330816
Not getting morning wood is a sign of really bad circulation.
>>6330816
morning wood isn't because of horniness, it's because of the way hormones cycle while you sleep or something
You should see a doctor
>>6330715
>No, it's not even "Boo-hoo." It's like getting bad food poisoning and someones poking your insides with sharp shit randomly for week.
As a guy or whatever, I totally think I know what your talking about. I have only had it happen a few times in my life, but I did have a solid week of constant pain that felt like sharp chips or nacho shells or something was just tearing up my insides. It felt like hell and I couldn't even stand up sometimes, like the only relief was to curl up into a ball and wish for death. I literally have no idea what it was though.
Maybe losing your self to completely dominating some, maybe? i'm kind assuming that ftm keep a woman's sex drive but as you can tell i don't know.
>>6330853
when's the last time you went for a run?
>>6330853
Never, ever, ever go to a hospital. You'll be billed for walking in the door practically. (unless you're dying).
If you're really concerned make an appointment with a general Physicians office, or a endocrinologist
>>6330864
A couple of days ago. Im not fat or anything, always been skinny. But I have been avoiding cardio and have been trying to get it into my life by going for short jogs after work. I used to ride my bike to work everyday also.
>>6330859
what a bunch of bull
what kind of pushover girls are you into
>>6330866
What's are those? Iiterally know nothing about health care. Is a physician like a practicing doctor? So they work outside of hospitals?
>>6330881
Yes, most physicians operate out of their own personal office. Just google "General physicians" in your area and read up on the practitioners you find
>>6330874
Do FtM keep their female sex drives?
The kind of masochist who lets you voluntarily control their life
>>6330881
Or shared office with other GPs
>>6330392
Dude I'm a 25 years old cis man and just last week I learned this was a thing. What the actual fuck! Disgusting!
>>6330948
>Do FtM keep their female sex drives?
no because testosterone
>>6330715
Men regularly underestimate how bad periods are for some women. A lot of MTFs still carry the same socialization. Pretty sad.
>>6332616
>society doesn't understand we experience pain as womyn
>REAL PAIN
>look at me hurting, why do you underestimate my pain
>you could never understand my pain, you're not a real womyn
Jesus all you people do is play a victim and contradict yourself. women are literally retarded
>>6332670
I'm a dude m8. I just know some women experience really bad periods and everyone laughs it off because they don't understand how something so common can be so painful. That most women's periods aren't that bad only adds to that.
>>6329645
That women aren't obsessed with being female. We're just mostly naturally faggy like this. The whole tranny thing of dressing up to the nines to do your groceries and acting like that makes them better than cis women is grotesque
>>6332693
i'm trans and go to the grocery store in sweat pants.
wat
>>6329645
The primal euphoric rush of semen erupting out of your love canon!~!
>>6330804
I'm sure they just feel dysphoric about it because it's just another item about them that people use to say they're not real women. I'm sure most of them would gladly trade their dysphoria and all the stigma that comes with being trans for the physical pain of menstruation. Having menstruations means they have a female reproductive system, which they desperately want. That's why they transition and get SRS despite it being such a harrowing and painful process.
>>6332693
That isn't something every trans girl does...
>>6329667
Eh. There are a lot of cis women who don't know what that's like. I'm friends with one of them. She hates when women include her in their laments about menstruation because she's never experienced it herself. She also hates when women use the experience of menstruation as the be-all and end-all of womanhood and as a means to exclude trans women like me.
>>6332693
>better than cis women
No one actually thinks like this. Transwomen are extremely insecure in their femininity because everyone reject them at every turn. They drink the traditional femininity kool-aid as an attempt to overcompensate.
not having hairs growing out of your glans.
>>6332721
>They drink the traditional femininity kool-aid as an attempt to overcompensate.
Yeah but when they don't people doubly reject them because they're not "naturally feminine" or as she put it "naturally faggy" enough, as if every woman tumbles out of the womb as a plastic from Mean Girls.
It's an endless catch-22 where no matter what trans women try to do, or how they act, someone gets personally insulted and projects their insecurities about gender onto them.
>>6330859
>ftms keep female sex drive
I don't think you understand how powerful testosterone is. I can't speak for everyone but for me testosterone turned sex from a fun passtime to a biological need. It's hard to describe. I mean I was pretty sexually active before. But I never /needed/ it.
On the other hand, estrogen is a fucking beast of its own. 70% of my dysphoria is hormone-triggered. If I'm just a few days late on T my emotions will start to boomerang. I won't get into menstruation. I wouldn't cite its severity (though for many it can be crippling) so much as what it's like that for 1/4 of the prime of your life is spent bleeding and exhausted- Not even getting into the PREmenstrual symptoms.
Anyone who says testosterone doesn't influence your temper and estrogen doesn't make you emotional is full of shit. Different people get it to different degrees and as we get older we learn to deal with it better, but hormones don't fuck around.
>politics of preteen girls
>13, overcompensating x500
>frills and lace
>full makeup everyday
>get medium length haircut, walking around track with friend
>grade's "bad girls" sitting on the edge as we pass by, queen bitch makes snarky comment trying to be a cunt
>"so are you a guy or a girl"
>you were right kelly
>you were right all along
>>6330715
Except, that's not for all women, many, if not most, only feel it being uncomfortable with some pain in the stomach.
You are overdramatizing, and if that's how it feels to you, then you should seek emergency care, because what you explained is not even remotely normal.
and this >>6330752
You're retarded, you're probably not actually female, just some TERF or /r9k/ spouting shit to be anti-trans.
>>6329667
>>6330715
when i started hrt, or everytime i had a change of dosage in my hormones i have experienced pms like symtoms, like irritability, anxiety, mood swings...etc. so i have some idea about the psychological symptoms one can have on their period.
but you are right i will never know 100% what it is like to have a full blown period with cramps and bloating.
>>6332992
do 100 crunches and eat a red meat and cheese
tada
>>6329645
Well-functioning genitals that is the one I want to have.
>>6330715
Periods shouldn't be that bad... Try meds, there could be something wrong with you.
>>6330722
I think FTM are cute in their super high speed aggressive nature, honestly. And usually super nice guys.
>>6329645
There's too many things to list. MTFs are pretty arrogant and don't really care about understanding things, imo.
>>6333220
To expand on my comment here, just look at all the posts replying to this one>>6330715
like, are all these people getting angry mtfs? Probably not, but they're indistinguishable from men in general. There could even be some women in there, whining that no one should take menstruation seriously because THEIR menstruation isn't that bad. Mtfs just get mad if you say there's something about being female that they don't get, and men get mad too, especially if women say it's worse pain than what men deal with.
>>6333240
>gendering text
you're just as bad.
>>6329645
What it's like to be raised as and grow up as a girl and young woman.
>>6332735
Yeah, thats true. As a transgirl, you really can't do right by everyone, or even most people. Whch is why I've more or less never cared about their validation, but it does get annoying. I want to look the way I want to look, and feel the way I want to feel. Every girl has their own dreams and wishes, some of which aren't considered "feminine", so why should I as a trans-girl be held to standards no other woman in my country is?
>>6333220
Then explain. I would like to understand, that's why I'm trans.
>>6333260
Like this. I only got to see what it's like to grow up as a girl from the outside, having grown up with nothing but little sisters. Not that they didn't include me when they played, and not that they didn't talk to me more like a sister than a brother. But I understand I don't truly know what it's like to be raised that way.
But I know what it's like to hide yourself because you're afraid of being beaten to death by the person who is supposed to be looking out for your best interest. It's not fun, knowing that that chance is gone forever.
Please tell me what I don't understand, so that I may at least try.
>>6330715
Are you sure you don't have endometriosis? Because that's what it sounds like you have since the majority of periods aren't that bad.
Mine are pretty forgettable.
>>6333259
Anon, you're a loser. This is a conversation that's supposed to be about gender in the first place. Text is gonna get gendered.
>>6333319
>I would like to understand, that's why I'm trans.
I don't think that's why you're trans.
>Then explain.
Women do explain, like all the time. Like there's a whole wealth of info out there, I don't see how I have to lend my personal explanations too. But I definitely don't think it's like having your experience of "hiding yourself." It's more like, you exist and people regularly disrespect you and people like you, to your face, and it's completely normal. You grow up hating women as both the other and yourself. Like one thing my dad said to me growing up was "you are your mother's daughter." But he only said that when I was being stupid or overemotional. So there was a direct indication that being female meant stupidity and emotions, and that it was bad, but it was definitely affirming that I was female. Since mtfs complain that they don't get this affirmation, I think that's one thing they don't get. Unfortunately if women complain about the negativity about being a woman, like saying it's a cage, or that it's hard, I've seen people suggest becoming a trans guy. That's not really a solution, and it's kind of disrespectful to act like the only reason being a woman is hard for a woman is because she'd be better off as a dude. I mean, I also know even complaining about this will get me brushed off, because many people (especially the men on this thread, but mtfs too) simply do not care about misogyny and hate women for even talking about it. So why even explain? That doesn't even go into differences in bodies.
>>6333346
>Because that's what it sounds like you have since the majority of periods aren't that bad.
So, can you cite this?
>>6333411
literal gibberish, holy shit.
![1-6055-3361-0[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ELic9bj.jpg "1-6055-3361-0[1].jpg")
>>6333429
This could help you
>>6333411
Not the person you're responding to.
Most people don't really get that the patriarchy is a thing. Especially young men. Especially especially misfit young men. I don't know your pain on a personal level but I've heard enough people share it to understand it to some degree. A lot of MTFs fit the whole misfit label and it is actually a named psychological phenomena where some embrace sexism in an effort to repress their feelings. I get what you are saying. However I feel that you seem to harbor some hatred specifically for these people and that's, in a way, unfair. Most actual women, most men, most everybody, are sexist jerks. Hating an entire category of humans like that is unjust. You of course don't have to be nice to jerks or anything but you get what I'm saying.
>>6332897
Funny story m8.
>>6333454
Yeah, I get that there are a lot of misogynist women out there. However, I feel like even if you're a misogynist female, and benefit in some way from that misogyny, because men like you more or whatever, you still end up harming yourself and recreating an environment that encourages the possibility that you will be harmed more or in other ways. But when men and mtfs are misogynists, they don't end up harming themselves, so I'm less sympathetic. It's a difference of saying pussy means you're born to get fucked and always be inherently submissive and actually having a pussy, and having a dick and not having that kind of shit affect you in any material or psychological way.
And the thing is, you're characterizing my story or my statement that mtfs are arrogant as hatred, and I just don't see that. I just talked about the way my dad hated my mom enough to disrespect her right in front of me, and to disrespect me too, and all the subtle ways that women are disrespected. That's hatred. I was mostly just trying to point out a difference in being born female and recognized as such to 'hiding yourself' as the other anon stated. I'm sorry if it came off as hatred, or unjust, but saying "this is why it's different" is not hatred imo.
>>6333429
ok, tell me what specifically is getting confusing for you.
>>6333519
If I read too deeply into what you wrote I apologize. I just saw some other posts in this thread along the same lines and perhaps unjustly connected the dots. You're right that there is a large difference and I didn't mean to imply sharing that wasn't fine. Despite being oppressed in their own way MTFs definitely still grew up with male privilege and so don't understand the full extent of misogyny, at least through personal experience.
Where I'll disagree is that MTFs aren't hurting themselves by spreading such ideas. I think they really are. They unknowingly embrace a warped vision of womanhood and confine themselves therein because they do not know better. Because they feel they have to be women and that's what women are in their minds so they are going to do their best to fit that absurd mold they've been taught through their own lives. IMO they deeply need feminism too.
>>6333519
Also, that other person's probably not worth wasting your time on.
>>6333573
you realize feminist MTFs exist right?
>>6333591
Of course. Just talking of the general trend. Most people aren't feminist, there are less male feminists than female feminists and by and large MTFs were socialized as males.
>>6333573
>Despite being oppressed in their own way MTFs definitely still grew up with male privilege
Can you explain to me just what that is? How exactly is getting beaten up by my male peers and being viciously ridiculed by my female ones a privilege? How is getting constantly harassed and emotionally abused by my parents a privilege? I wouldn't exactly call my tortured upbringing with the result of me getting disowned and made homeless at 16 a privilege.
My bf is trans and he is great but and there is always a but he is kinda retarded i mean here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at3NeJfimY0
>>6333667
Not even trying to deny that your life sucked compared to that of a normal guy, or to make a statement on who had what worse, but you were still brought up with the ideas that you are competent, that you are rational, that what matters is what you do and not what you look like. During the time when you didn't present female people generally did not treat you with the subtle (and sometimes less subtle) misogyny reserved for women.
It is important that I stress that I'm not saying you had an easy life, or that your life wasn't potentially harder than that of the average woman, but that the way you were socialized still grants you some advantages (and possibly a conversely narrow view of womanhood).
>>6330684
Honestly, though there is pain from it, I'd argue the worst part is how uncomfortable it is to be draining nasty fluid for a week.
In terms of pain, it's mostly just because it lasts so long. Tolerance tends to go down over time. It gets really annoying.
I'd argue it's worse than men think but not as bad as women pretend.
>>6333763
It does sound like an enormous hassle, even without the pain. I'd feel a lot less confident due to having to keep it in mind.
>>6333784
It's just always in the back of your mind. The three biggest things are "Am I leaking" "Am I being an asshole" and "Is my tampon going to give me TSS"
>>6333573
Their version of feminism sucks and harms women like me, or others. This includes Julia Serano saying in Whipping Girl that women should date feminine men because masculinity makes men violent, and women are bigoted against feminine men. This was a pretty victim-blaming passage. And it includes tumblr trans feminism, which is like Valerie Keefe saying that no one should criticize male feminists because they're really closeted trans women, or the baeddels calling lesbians bitches for not being nicer to some man who they also think is a closeted trans woman. This includes erasing differences between male and female anatomy like saying dicks are like clitorises even though they're not functionally or physically the same.
How is a trans woman calling a woman a cunt hurting herself, for instance? How is trans women saying "abortion isn't a women's issue" and pushing for more attention on sperm-banking in feminism anything but something that ultimately harms women?
I really don't care that they have a warped sense of womanhood. So do men. I care what they do with their politics and how they harm us. I have a feeling you're a dude and this is all some kind of funny argument you're having where you're playing devil's advocate, but obviously I can't know for sure.
It's not even about male privilege. It's about their behavior and their politics. It's very much about having some group of men say "I struggled though, which means I'm a woman because that's what women means: victimhood" like >>6333667 seems to be implying. You think robots on r9k didn't have the same experiences, anon? And they're still dudes.
>>6333763
If I don't take iron supplements I faint on the first day of my period. Stop minimizing it because yours goes fine.
>>6333834
I'm not minimizing anything. Until I started hormones I vomited the first day of mine, every time. I'm also literally anemic. But it's just not a huge deal, especially since it happens every month. You learn what to do to cope. It won't kill you.
>>6333319
There are plenty of biographies and books out there that deal on what it's like to grow up female. Ranging from books that deal with female genital mutilation, rape and normalised sexual abuse to lighter happier stuff. I think it's easier to be a boy because you don't have pedos trying to shove things in your boi pussy at every turn.
>>6333834
Yeah, I'm a man. Not intending this argument to be frivolous or whatever. I recognize I can only ever know of these things second-hand rather than through lived experience, which is why I try to talk about them.
Shitty behavior is shitty behavior and I'm not asking you to ignore it nor ignore where it is coming from. It's just.. a lot of them have it bad too, you know? Every group's more or less full of assholes and everyone just wants to be happy. Can't you call out the jerks without condemning everyone else by association? I think that it would be better if all kinds of progressive movements could find enough common ground to stand together.
>>6333904
As a man, don't you realize that some of these issues could be solved by you and other men being less shitty to women AND mtfs? Like, do you spend your time telling the men of this board to be nicer to us in the name of "progressiveness" or just being good people?
>Can't you call out the jerks without condemning everyone else by association?
Generalized statements are not nice, sure, but you also didn't answer my questions, either.
>>6333847
>"Trans guy here! Women are just pretending periods are bad, can confirm women are lying whores, dudes, real vagina here, you're only mildly wrong, because women are LYING. Oh, you faint because your period? Well, mine are worse! I vomit! But whatever. Learn to cope, weakling."
Your transition is going EXTREMELY well, congratulations.
>>6333834
You realize there are feminist MTFs that agree with everything you just said right?
You're awfully good at generalizing.
>>6334001
god radfems are so annoying, why don't you take a hike and free bleed all over yourself cunt?
>>6334001
>Learn to cope, weakling.
That's exactly it.
>>6334012
Okay. Name some. And frankly, I did not list everything that I disagree with about trans feminism either.
>>6334043
me?
>>6329645
FtM you will never truly understand how the biological exact functions of our cock feels attached to us.
>>6334042
I do, as I said. Because I take iron supplements. But you literally cannot say women are lying about how bad periods are and then try to one-up us by saying your menstruation is even worse without looking like an illogical misogynist jackass.
>>6334023
So who are you defending, anon, the condescending "be nicer" man or the condescending "be less whiny" man?
why is this thread filled with whiny feminism?
that's not a thing MtFs or FtMs don't understand, both genders have to put up with listening to annoying people talk
>>6334059
Do you really think that was said for any other reason or logic than to get under your skin?
>>6330802
it hurts so fuckin bad yo
>>6334049
You'll have to elaborate. I don't know you.
>>6330948
>Do FtM keep their female sex drives?
no men have their sex drives because of testosterone. ftms have male levels of testosterone.
also stay away from those crazy bdsm girls
>>6334070
lmao which part?
>>6334079
I don't have any sense of "womanhood", I have a sense of what it's like to transition. Each have their hardships and each are different.
>>6334097
Ok, but I would say the core tenet of transfeminism is that trans women are women. I'm not saying you're not allowed to call yourself a trans feminist, or even a feminist, but you're not exactly who I'm talking about here. Plus you're anon, and unless you can point to articles or books or something similar it's not like you're naming yourself in the same way I listed trans feminists.
>>6334001
>As a man, don't you realize that some of these issues could be solved by you and other men being less shitty to women AND mtfs?
Absolutely. 100%.
>Like, do you spend your time telling the men of this board to be nicer to us in the name of "progressiveness" or just being good people?
Yes, though with little success. I usually only bother if I detect any level of liberalism in them because otherwise the experience is exactly like trying to explain marxism to an angry dog. Not trying to pull off the "women ought be nice and lovely to everyone all of the time while boys will be boys :^)" maneuver.
>Generalized statements are not nice, sure, but you also didn't answer my questions, either.
I thought I did in the sense that I agreed everything you listed is kind of shitty and that some forms of misogyny affect primarily biowomen? Would you like me to expound?
>>6329645
Mtfs will never understand the carefree nature of being a young girl with no care in the world other than if they boys in your class like you, or if you should write with pink pen or purple pen ink today.
This lasts until about 25 years old btw
>>6334118
You started this off by generalizing all MTFs, not just known people.
>>6333855
Let's be honest here, if you're posting on 4chan the chances that your childhood included even 2 out of 3 are low, and based on psych research, chances are as many if not more trans girls have been through the last one as cis girls.
>>6334125
Just to be clear you didn't answer this:
>How is a trans woman calling a woman a cunt hurting herself, for instance? How is trans women saying "abortion isn't a women's issue" and pushing for more attention on sperm-banking in feminism anything but something that ultimately harms women?
... because you thought it would be redundant? You said mtfs hurt themselves by spreading bad ideas. How?
>Yes, though with little success. I usually only bother if I detect any level of liberalism in them because otherwise the experience is exactly like trying to explain marxism to an angry dog. Not trying to pull off the "women ought be nice and lovely to everyone all of the time while boys will be boys :^)" maneuver.
ok, thank you.
>>6333834
Literally fuck off back to r/gendercritical with your fantasy scenario.
>>6334147
And you're still not listing any trans feminists.
>>6334163
Tell me more about how I'm totally lying. Really haven't heard that enough in this thread!
>>6334178
and i'm not going to? I don't pay attention to that shit. I was only saying, me, and individual, aligned with your thought process when you were generalizing my opinions based on a group I belong to.
All you've been doing in all your arguments is treat people like they're just giant groups of clones. (You talk about cis women that way too)
>>6334158
You're absolutely right that the last two examples would hurt women while doing very little harm to transwomen. I just think that pushing traditional gender roles in any way - as many MTFS do - is self-destructive AND harms cis women by reinforcing rigid ideas about what women "should" be and so creating an environment where they are punished for not being that.
The first one is IMO debatable but I think it does also hurt them by diminishing the value of the group they purport to count themselves among. Though to be honest I can also see your argument.
>>6334183
>lying
No, I believe they're your sincere, heartfelt beliefs.
I also believe you're a moron who either misread things in the worst way possible because as a terf you're already all the way towards blaming trannies by default and taking everything at negative value, or you've gotten your info from big name e-terfs like Gallus Mag or Dirt, who I suspect you read without knowing their online history of harassing young trans women online
But hey, it's totally okay when a bulldyke who tried to transition based on the most blatant lie ever does it.
>>6333701
>Not even trying to deny that your life sucked compared to that of a normal guy, or to make a statement on who had what worse, but you were still brought up with the ideas that you are competent, that you are rational
Not sure how you think you know what my life experiences were or how I was brought up. Sure, I may have been brought up with the ambient societal notion that I'm somehow more rational and competent than a woman, but I was also brought up with the much stronger idea that I was insane, perverted and subhuman for being trans. My dad would actually give me a lot of shit about not being "competent and rational" because that's what was expected of me. Those expectations were imposed on me. That isn't exactly a privilege, it's just a different experience of sexism. Is being raised that with the expectation that you should be pretty, submissive and "ladylike" a privilege?
>that what matters is what you do and not what you look like.
Getting frequently ridiculed and harassed at school and at home simply for looking feminine didn't exactly leave that impression on me. A male's appearance and gendered expression is very much heavily policed. Whatever advantages you think I gained from all this bullshit just aren't there.
>>6333834
>It's not even about male privilege. It's about their behavior and their politics. It's very much about having some group of men say "I struggled though, which means I'm a woman because that's what women means: victimhood" like >>6333667 seems to be implying. You think robots on r9k didn't have the same experiences, anon? And they're still dudes.
When did I ever try to say or imply that being a woman equals victimhood? I was just trying to say that whatever male "privilege" you think I had wasn't there. For someone who talks about people having a warped idea of womanhood and not really understand the experiences of cis women, you sure do have a warped idea of manhood.
Jesus christ you're condesending...
I don't think there's anything like that about being female, especially with explanations
There's a lot of things people *usually* don't get but nothing I can think of that's impossible to get if you bother to tell them
>>6329667
Menstruation is so different for everyone, I don't get other girl's periods and they don't get mine either, there's a lot of variation within normal periods and then you have disorder stuff like pms and heavy bleeding or lack of periods whatsoever
Like some chicks will just get mild and predictable painless bleeding and it's barely an issue for them and others are irregular with a lot of blood, then there are weirdos like me that get flareups of other diseases so most of what I consider period experience isn't actually a period experience, just something that occurs at the same time in my specific case
Irregular periods are relatively common, but it's a very different experience to the standard female one where you know your period is coming or is late
>>6330270
>FTM's will never know how it feels to wake up with a hard dick and start trying to fuck your bed
Wait what? I'm pretty sure regular cis girls get that
I mean, you don't wake up with a dick obviously, but from the descriptions I've seen it's pretty similar to waking up with a hard clit and wet pussy
>>6334223
>tfw your therapist suspects most gender variant kids would qualify for a PTSD diagnosis from childhood abuse alone.
>>6334223
>Getting frequently ridiculed and harassed at school and at home simply for looking feminine didn't exactly leave that impression on me. A male's appearance and gendered expression is very much heavily policed. Whatever advantages you think I gained from all this bullshit just aren't there.
Also, this is an important thing that a lot of terfs forget. This is a thing that feminism has mostly never said wasn't a thing. Gender policing fucks everyone up and the gender variant on both ends end up suffering (by the time puberty happens most tomboys start getting a lot of shit too for not conforming). People who deny that are basically forgetting a major tenet of most feminist tendencies.
>>6334223
>Not sure how you think you know what my life experiences were or how I was brought up.
I don't know. I'm going by what is almost always the case, but ultimately I don't. I'm not trying to deny your experience or say you didn't have a hard life or even that some of what you suffered wasn't due to your sex/gender. But.
But that "ambiance", the one which told you that you need to be strong and smart and independent and unemotional and successful, is the one which usually tells women they're weak and bad at math and submissive and irrational and that the best they can hope to do with their lives is to be a supporting character in another's story. Things have gotten way, way better for women in the last 100 years and the "ambiance" is changing for the better, but it is still there.
Being forced to be powerful and macho when you don't want to is awful and I'm sorry about your experience but do understand that there is a difference between how that affected your psyche and how being told you are weak would.
>>6334194
What I'm doing is something pretty similar to class analysis, and I DID list off individual trans women, whose feminist opinions I disagreed with. I really do not think that's treating trans women as clones. Like, you don't pay attention to this, you're anon and not writing feminist work anywhere else, and you don't even think you're a woman, but you think I'm definitely talking about you when I talk about trans women or trans feminists? Really?
>>6334195
> I just think that pushing traditional gender roles in any way - as many MTFS do - is self-destructive AND harms cis women by reinforcing rigid ideas about what women "should" be and so creating an environment where they are punished for not being that.
I agree with that but the former I think it's their business and honestly, while they do that, so does pretty much everyone else. Mtfs are just jumping off what everyone else says in that scenario. So I just don't think about it very much.
>The first one is IMO debatable but I think it does also hurt them by diminishing the value of the group they purport to count themselves among.
When they're specifically saying things like "cis women are cunts" they're literally not calling themselves cunts, and lbr, 80% keep their dicks. We're talking about experiencing internalized misogyny, and I've definitely seen mtfs get highly upset if people say dick is disgusting. It's more about, like, what personally offends and hurts a person.
>>6334295
>Being forced to be powerful and macho when you don't want to is awful and I'm sorry about your experience but do understand that there is a difference between how that affected your psyche and how being told you are weak would.
I think you should take your turn to shut the fuck up and listen. Maybe read up on psych research on gender variant kids. They don't get told they're powerful and macho.
How great clitoral stimulation is. Fapping can't even compete.
>>6334306
>80% keep their dicks
Seriously, go back to gendercritical and stay go.
>>6334317
Find me a different statistic then.
>>6334306
???
You didn't start naming specifics until like 5 post after your first.
I don't think most ftms can understand what it's like growing up being socialized as a boy.
Generally speaking, if you aren't in some liberal bubble, we put boys through the meat grinder. They are brought up to suppress their emotions, especially the tender and compassionate aspects, which are seen as weak or faggy.
Secondly, they are expected to perform as a desirable, well-endowed mate well before they are ready. We shame boys who are still virgins by the time they are eighteen.
Third, we expect them to live up to the masculine ideals of sportiness, financial provision, and aggressiveness. Those who fail to live up to these expectations are swept aside and ostracized.
No wonder if I am not mistaken Suicide rates and lack of achievement have spiked in young guys. They aren't given the chance to develop and grow.
An ftm who comes in and claims the right to be a man, didn't have to survive the trial by ordeal that is being raised male in many parts of the world.
>>6330748
oh yeah. squirting blood across the room. great.
>>6334306
>When they're specifically saying things like "cis women are cunts" they're literally not calling themselves cunts [...]
Ah, I see. Yeah that's a really lousy thing to do.
>80% keep their dicks
I didn't know that. That's strange given the whole dysphoria thing. Maybe money or lack of access to skilled specialists plays a role in this.
>We're talking about experiencing internalized misogyny, and I've definitely seen mtfs get highly upset if people say dick is disgusting. It's more about, like, what personally offends and hurts a person.
I never liked the "women can have dicks" crowd much. You can respect folks who fall on different parts of the sex/gender spectrum without going for the whole "sex isn't a thing" line. Transsexuals, biologically, fall somewhere between the genders post-hormones.
>>6334340
>So, do you want links? It'll probably take a while.
I don't give a shit at this point, I knew you'd be a terf the moment you pulled your first claims, but it's obvious that you only provide what you claim to provide when you're out of arguments beyond backpedaling.
If I had to make a guess you're actually some shitter from leleddit who assumed they'd be welcome to hate on trannies because the terf subs are already intrinsically linked with the polsphere there. You forget that about half the site here still considers your alt right friends to be nothing more than a metastasized cancer.
>>6334352
Yeah, conversations evolve to be about different things and I ended up listing examples to illustrate why I didn't like trans feminism.
Do you think the rest of this thread is not generalizing people?
>>6334381
>I didn't know that. That's strange given the whole dysphoria thing. Maybe money or lack of access to skilled specialists plays a role in this.
Pretty much, the percentage of trans women who stay nonop when coverage is no issue is like 25%.
>>6334313
I never told anyone to shut up and listen. I like conversation and I'm sorry if I've offended you. My only argument is that, unless those around you were always aware of the ways in which you differ from other men, you were still raised with the advantages of being male. If everyone around you including strangers knew that you weren't male then yes, I'm wrong. I'm not trying to hurt you.
>>6334392
>list things that happen on tumblr, in a book, etc
>"you're definitely from reddit! None of this happened because mtfs are never shitty people"
One: terf is literally the leftist version of feminazi. Two: It's not a list of arguments, it's "reasons I don't like transfeminism." What do you think I'm advocating for here? Three: Mtfs with misogynist politics and opinions exist and continue to exist regardless of how angry you get when women point them out. Why are you defending them?
>>6334381
Not all mtfs have dysphoria, or at least genital dysphoria, or take hormones. I don't really get it, but as long as they're not redefining social concepts I just kind of ignore it.
I feel like we're pretty much in agreement here, though. You seem to get where I'm coming from, so thanks.
>>6334394
You started off by making broad generalizations about trans people, you fucking retard. You didn't differ in your generalizations until you needed to give even more reasons you don't like us. Stop censoring yourself and just call us men, at least radfems look more like men than us.
134 post/43 unique posters.
Half the people you were replying to were me btw, cunt.
>>6334474
>no one else made broad generalizations about anyone except you, you cunt
I'm genuinely glad whenever mtfs just give up and go full misogyny. I really hate seeing you fake being good people.
Let me guess, radfems look like men because they have short hair and don't wear makeup right? Do you enjoy "pushing traditional gender roles" or whatever?
>>6334509
>boohoo someone said mean things after I decided to take a whole thread to shit on a group of people who usually have it worse than me
>>6334515
P much this
>>6334515
>I don't want to be held accountable, ever
>women are stupid cunts, how dare they question my feminism
>i'm STILL mad a woman made generalizations in a thread about generalizations! how dare it speak!
>>6329645
I don't think a ftm would ever truly comprehend the clear-headiness of a man.
>This thread
the internet was a mistake
When I'm God I'm going to remove the ability of people to communicate with each other.
>>6334551
Just as you can't comprehend spelling the word?
>>6329645
if there's a real war you have to go get shot at
>>6334638
kek
>>6329670
>Testicles are uncomfortable as fuck 70% of the time
Haha, this.
>>6332616
Booo hooo you wymyn are living a literal living hell where your tumtum hurts a bit every month. At least you get to express pain.
Take your baby pills and stop bitching and self victimizing if it really is an issue, you vapid entitled pile of human waste.
I dont see everyone bitching about being kicked in the nuts, because we aren't bitches. Simple as that.
>>6334650
Me neither, I just double check what I write
>>6334684
Dude (or cunt), i wanted to write clear-headedness but it says that doesn't exist and proposes what I wrote. So I just rolled with it. Don't be an autist.
>>6334509
Yeah, totally.
lmao
>>6329645
Giving birth.
Seriously, the amount of pain is incredible, even with epidural.
>>6334724
It's cool, I was just being funny to myself
Cause I'm an autist
>>6334753
Literally conservative-tier tbqh. The left's fucked. I'm glad my commie m8s have already given up on the """moderates""".
>>6334817
...or dot org lol
Ovarian cancer.
>>6334817
Not that person and I won't deny like 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of the people here are misogynist but I can't get on board with the whole hating gender-abnormal individuals thing.
>>6334817
she looks like a human/swamp troll genderless hybrid
>>6334844
Ok. Point out where I called mtfs the equivalent of cunt.
>>6334817
>mtf
>support on 4chan
>literally threads about killing trannies daily
>>6334855
I actually totally mixed you people up.
>>6334855
>can't handle being called a cunt
get out nigger cunt
>>6334849
Anon, plucked eyebrows, long hair and make-up are all changes that women make to themselves, not inherent things we are born with.
>>6334869
>Being gay and racist
why
>>6334863
The whole conversation started when a male feminist was defending mtfs, but ok.
>>6334869
I can handle it fine.
>>6334866
ok
>>6334872
It's his bone structure and shitty skin. Not his hygiene
NUKE THIS THREAD FROM ORBIT TERF CONTAMINATION DETECTED ABORT ABORT ABORT CODE RED WEEEEEuuuuWEEEEuuuWeeeeeEEEEEEEEEOuuuuuuuuuu DOG WILL KNOW HIS OWN WeeeeouuuuWeouuuu FORGIVE M-
>>6334900
I see nothing male about her skin or bone structure, so tell me about it.
>shitty skin
>not hygiene
>>6334913
It's not my fault he decided to get lost at sea, it's like salt carved his face.
hygiene wouldn't put a dent in that.
>>6334923
>slightly wrinkly and red face
Is your resolution higher than mine or something? You know women in magazines are photoshopped, right?
>>6334938
are u him? holy shit autograph pls
>>6334944
No, sorry to get your hopes up. If you e-mail or call her (her name is Cathy Brennan), I'm sure you can get it from her, though. Her contact info is usually very easy to find. It's not the first time mtfs have called a man, either, they seem pretty set on it.
>>6334962
jeez, i wonder why
>mfw trannies pretending to be disenfranchised cis women to keep fulfilling their delusion
>>6334970
I have my theories. Obviously they're obsessed with femininity and pushing traditional gender roles on women. That's easy. The other reason would be their dire lack of creativity. Brennan calls them men, they call her a man in return. I think she now identifies as non-binary to troll them and they take it pretty seriously. Kind of mean of her but oh well.
>>6334902
>tfw the thread survived and my sacrifice was for naught
i didn't know this was a tragedy
I just dropped a period glob while sitting here. Trans women will never know this feel.
>>6335014
it's not because maybe, they feel insulted?
I hope you don't feel justified here beeteedubs, I took you down to my level.
have fun in whatever echo chamber tumblr or forum you go to, man.
>>6335033
What level? Gasp, were you trolling all this time? How utterly shocking.
>>6335054
you played nice like you could tolerate the very existence of transpeople at first, but you're just a circle jerking radfem in the end :')
>>6335073
Not really. To reiterate, I never called mtfs the equivalent of cunt. I never posted a trans woman's picture, critiqued her looks, and called her a man. And this conversation is why it is legitimately funny when mtfs think they don't get support on 4chan.
>>6335089
i haven't slept in 36 hours and honestly i don't know why im doing this
>>6335098
you've already proven multiple times you can't remember what you say when the text is right in front of you. I get.
>>6335089
What's it to you?
>>6335106
Like when?
>>6335099
You're doing it because you're a misogynist. There, I hope that helped.
>>6335089
I want to save people from going down a bad path.
I almost transitioned and I'm glad I didn't, it would have been the worst mistake of my life. I think in some cases there's no deep burning need to transition, it's just a choice you make because people have convinced you it's the choice you need to make I want to reach out to those people.
>>6335109
i want literally everyone to be happy and hold hands and stand in a circle singing some non-religion-specific-off-brand-non-offensive-generic-imitation-kumbaya-substitute forever instead of being sad on the internet this is a thread of SADNESS a pain dimension where people lock themselves in a perpetual struggle trying to "win" at sadness and you can't because there is literally no win condition otherwise i would've won long ago there have been thousands of threads like this and there will be a thousand more but for now let us end the cycle and break the chains and fuck the metaphor and go watch a nature documentary about german idealists or cycling or end late onset capitalism or literally anything else
>>6335131
Dude, no one is forcing you to read this thread.
>>6335121
I'm doing it because you're a transmisogynist. If you don't think making snide arm chair pysch comments about mtfs in a vague attempt to connect them to cismen in their behaviors, and taking away transwomens individualizes by saying the "force" gender rolls onto cis women isn't insulting, i don't know what to tell you.
Your thinly disguised veil of "acceptance" was clearly you trying to keep the peace to get your shitty, retarded opinions out there without a counter argument was obvious from your first posts.
>>6335139
i am here to liberate those who are so focused on the goal they can't see they're running in a hamster wheel powering the idea of evil the incarnation of strife chaos allfather the seed of future misery which sprouts in the hearts of those who seek to win at sadness and makes them bad people in meatspace because while they look at other people they see each other's faces from this struggle and cannot tell them apart
>>6333411
>"you are your mother's daughter."
>only said that when I was being stupid or overemotional
seems like a comment on your mother (and you) more than a comment on all women
>>6335205
Jerk.
>>6335143
Yes, you totally spent several comments calling brennan a man because you're not a misogynist. And also calling me a cunt. Had you wanted to provide a counter argument, you would have. However, I'm guessing you couldn't because you know jack shit about transfeminism. That's really not my problem.
>>6335166
Ok, how are you going to liberate us?
>>6335205
Well, sure, but I mentioned it specifically because the mtf was talking about "hiding themselves." This was how my womanhood was affirmed, but negatively, and yeah, the idea that women are stupider and more emotional than men is a common misogynist idea. I don't think it's a stretch to say my dad is a misogynist, or that his comments were misogynist.
>>6335211
i hoped stream-of-consciousness shitposting would be so impressive that everyone would just smile give up and go be good humans but this kind of failed and in the end i bumped the thread up because sage doesn't work properly anymore so i might have lured more people to this thing and i'm probably doing the same right now which if i was a writer i'd put down as some sort of a metaphor for the futility of trying to change anything or if i was really trying to get academia to like me a phallus but all things considered i think it is better to try and fail than to not try at all justice might be impossible but the pursuit of justice of happiness of dignity for all is worthwhile by itself it is this chase that makes life worth living but if in this chase we forget that we pursue justice as a means to the end of happiness then it is a fool's errand after all is there anything to gain from planting seeds of misery but not hope?
>>6335308
You're cute, anon.
>>6333240
>There could even be some women in there, whining that no one should take menstruation seriously because THEIR menstruation isn't that bad.
Then, the menstruation that was brought up, wasn't a universal thing?
The text written was probably by a TERF, and a "boo-hoo, poor me and my special case".
>>6335320
1. Menstruation is different for everyone. Maybe it's that bad for the first chick. Calling her whiny is stupid and misogynist.
2. TERF is the equivalent of feminazi, just for the left. Or bitch, or cunt.
>>6335419
>Menstruation is different for everyone. Maybe it's that bad for the first chick. Calling her whiny is stupid and misogynist.
She said everyone becomes crippled from menstruation.
Whenever she talks about her menstruation, I doubt many women can at all understand her, or share the experience.
So yes, she's "boo-hooing", because she's not experiencing what is considered normal.
>>6334556
thank you
>>6333855
>female genital mutilation
actually men would know far more about genital mutilation
>rape
yep, rape is totally a quintessential part of growing up female
>normalised sexual abuse
no evidence that female children are abused more often than male children
>>6334081
>also stay away from those crazy bdsm girls
I will but i learned the hardway.
>>6330304
>That feeling when you actually need to empty your balls of cum and it's no longer just an urge.
...is not real. Your body will reabsorb any excess (and/or fill in the appropriate nocturnal emissions form). It's still just an urge.
>>6335419
>terf is a slur
lol, a cis woman came up with it, moron
>>6337212
It's an urge the same way hunger is an urge, the only difference being not cumming won't kill you (physically, that is). For men the drive to have sex is almost on par with needing to eat, drink, and sleep. Women seem to think that this makes a woman's idea of sex more legitimate than mens because theirs has to do with actual feeling and mutual connection, but unless you're born with a dick and balls you have no idea how strong the sex drive actually is. There's a reason men cheat more than women.
>>6335205
See, you all THINK "oh it's just a harmless joke, tee hee hee look at how original I am oh my god get over it," completely ignorant of the fact that countless other people are making the same fucking joke word for word every other day and turning the world into an echo chamber of "lol WOMEN so dumb am i right?!?!?!?"
>>6335205
>tfw people said that to me before I transitioned
>I'm mtf
>>6337292
I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that most of our culture and media screams at men from birth "men are naturally hornier! you NEED sex! EVERYONE watches porn and is struggling not to cheat! bachelor culture bro!" and generally centers the act of sex around male ejaculation/pleasure, meanwhile women are lucky to learn to orgasm by their late teens and are compared to used napkins if they like sex too much. Nope, it couldn't possibly be that!
>>6337292
No, it fucking isn't. Any human if hungry enough will do whatever it takes to eat. Any man who thinks that the urge to get off is as uncontrollable as the urge to eat doesn't WANT to control himself.
>>6337331
>biology is a social construct
I thought this was just a meme
>>6337337
>hurrrrr it's biology
Biological research already points out that women having lower sex drives is bullshit, and it's a known fact from research that most women tend to minimize how visually attracted they are to sexual things because it makes them feel broken due to society telling them they shouldn't act like that.
If the tests are done blind, sex drives and arousal are about equal.
>>6337333
A human can consciously starve themselves to death just as they can consciously remain chaste. The restraint of a person doesnt disqualify the strength of the urge itself.
>>6337292
Also PS
A) men don't cheat significantly more than women
B) there are many, many, many women with much stronger sex drives than most men.
>>6337348
Link? These studies sound interesting.
>>6337350
Food is a physical need. Orgasms are healthy, but not a fundamental, chemically necessary item. The two do not compare, however much you wish they did.
>>6337361
I never said they were the same. I said they were similar.
>>6337395
Ok, let's try an experiment. Go without orgasms for a month, and go without food for a month, and report your findings.
Do women poop? :0
>>6337442
really? because I feel like it's a lot more normal than wearing high heels and full face to go buy cans of soup.
>>6329645
The feeling of pride and love you receive from family members when you get married and have children of your own.
>>6337442
>>6337537
im pretty sure that's not AGP? Just kinda like slobby, for men and women.
>>6332712
sounds more like you're the "cis" friend, because menstruation isn't exactly something that's brought up with "women" (that is, females outside your circle of friends), and as some have said earlier, for most women it's just a nuisance you've gotten used to way before you start calling yourself a woman, nothing that's lamented in girl friend group therapy sessions times many
>>6337586
how is it any different than yoga pants/leggings?
>>6337621
how is clothing not generally considered socially acceptable to wear outside different from clothing generally considered socially acceptable to wear outside?
>>6337628
ok
>>6337645
oh yes, this is clearly what anon meant when she said "I go to the grocery store in sweatpants"
you sure got me there buddy wow
>>6337658
I'm that anon, and that's what I meant.
>>6337676
oh okay, so instead of posting "oh hey there was a misunderstanding there instead of referring to what most people refer to when they say sweatpants i was referring to these cool /fa/ sweatpants" you just... obtusely shitposted?
>>6337707
what the hell do you think sweatpants are?
>>6337707
you're fucking retarded, anon.
>>6337331
>women are lucky they are compared to used napkins if they like sex too much
>>6329645
Everything.
>>6330304
>A vagina is just a hole, a pleasure hole, surgery can give you one to an extent.
>mfw the ability to give birth is not an important function of the vagina
>>6329645
Cis Man.
Nothing. There's nothing a trans guy wouldn't be able to know about my gender; save maybe having the experience of hiding an awkward public boner as a teen.
To me manhood is just being a stable dependable person.
>>6332897
>I can't speak for everyone but for me testosterone turned sex from a fun passtime to a biological need. It's hard to describe. I mean I was pretty sexually active before. But I never /needed/ it.
I'm a cis woman and orgasm is absolutely a biological need. Does that make me riddled with testosterone? Or did t take someone with a low sex drive and just make it normal
not cis, but
>ftm
the sheer amount of "man up" bullshit young boys get and how you're really not able to be the person you really are because of it
>mtf
the joy/ battle of attrition of pregnancy ='(
>>6329667
>>6330270
>>6330715
>boo hoo menstruation hurts and it happens a lot
Try Electrolysis on full beard hair and on pubic hair both every week for 2 hours straight each.
they stab you in the face with a red hot soldering iron every 5 seconds in every hair follicle. it's fucking medieval torture
>>6337854
>implying women don't get electrolysis
>implying you choosing to let your mental illness win is the same as having no choice
>two hours a week
Wow, for someone with no pussy you sure are a huge pussy
>>6337854
>Try Electrolysis on full beard hair and on pubic hair both every week for 2 hours straight each.
>they stab you in the face with a red hot soldering iron every 5 seconds in every hair follicle. it's fucking medieval torture
And voluntary, and temporary, and can be schedulced and stopped at any time, and carries a reward.
There's a big difference between voluntary, temporary pain and chronic, deep pain that you can never control.
(I don't doubt that electrolysis is grim tho. Especially under the nose and chin. Ooof)
>>6330270
As an ftm I wake up with my clitdick hard once in a while
FTM's will never understand random boners and the social pressure to man up as a kid.
>>6338144
Except for all the ones who transitioned/are transitioning at a young age.
>>6338227
Random boners aside, lmao
>>6337918
To be fair, it's not MtFs could ever get away without having electrolysis. Not unless they started 'mones at 13-14 or had no facial hair in the first place.
It's technically something you choose to have done, but I wouldn't say it's voluntary or anything.
>>6338270
not true
>>6329645
Scratching your nuts.
>>6334356
honestly I think for trans guys who realize early on, like I did, you absorb a lot of those messages anyway. I felt a lot of pressure to overcompensate with masculinity and suppress my emotions, be physically tough, etc. because I thought otherwise I didn't count as a "real man." I admit that the whole "expressing your emotions makes you weak" is a gendered difference in how we treat children, but a lot of that still depends on how you were raised. my parents didn't treat me or my brother differently in that regard, and if we hurt ourselves doing kid stuff (which included sports - both my parents were athletes as kids and encouraged both of us to be athletic) we got the same "suck it up." definitely wasn't in a liberal bubble either - our parents are republican and we grew up in the rural Midwest.
the virgin-shaming part is interesting because trans people experience that in a lot of different ways. trans guys who were perceived as attractive women are treated like they're crazy for giving up that attractiveness by transitioning. for me (a 6 at best), I definitely felt like I'd be a loser if I didn't have sex, but in addition to the regular feelings of "i don't know how to talk to girls" I got to feel completely undesirable because I'm trans. as you said, you're supposed to perform and be well-endowed and everything, and I obviously don't have that. for trans guys who are more confident or got experience with sex when they still presented female, it's completely different.
tl;dr: I agree that there are differences in how most boys and girls are socialized, but a lot of it comes down to how you're raised, your physical attractiveness, your social confidence, and a lot of other factors beyond gender
>>6337331
>Jealous ftm detected
There's a physical urge, and if a man doesn't have sex or fap, they'll cum in their sleep, because then the body will take over on it's own.
>>6337918
It's not voluntary.
If you're only doing 2 hours a week, you'll be doing it every week for 2-3 years.
The pain is tolerable, but because it's repetitive sharp pain, that keeps going for hours, the body has no way of dealing with it. So, psychologically, it's extremely hard to deal with. Your whole body will want to move, you won't be able to concentrate on anything, you'll start to feel hot, and maybe sweat, and afterwards you may feel dizzy (can have to do with laying down for a couple of hours).
It's made to only be used for 5-15 minutes, and that's how cis women use it. But with mtfs, who have a full beard, you have to do that 12-8 times longer, every day. On the more sophisticated places, they will give you pain relief, by drip, or injections, because oral stuff doesn't work.
>>6334356
Uh, this is just "boohoo. pity me :(((((" bs.
Any mtf can tell you that the social upbringing guys face is nothing compared to being trans, you become way more hardened by growing up while being trans.
>>6337918
> and carries a reward.
What reward? There's no reward in it.
It's a necessary medical step you have to go through to get rid of a consequences of the faults the medical system did.
Is it a reward for people with cancer to try to beat it? Are they actually lucky, because their treatment comes with a reward, while stuff like menstruation doesn't?
In fact, menstruation comes with a HUGE reward. You can have kids, and you don't need to take estrogen from pills/patches/injections.
>>6334356
FtM here. There aren't many trannies around here so I can't make an accurate comparison with others like me. But the more I think about it, the more I'm convinced being socialized and brought up as I was played a part in my identity.
I am an only child and my father did most of the raising when I was young. Although he taught me useful skills, I wasn't allowed to be a vulnerable little flower. If I hurt myself when playing, that was my fucking problem. If I wasn't able to do something, I'd better learn how to cause no one was going to do it for me. Temper tantrums? Parents straight out refused to talk to me until I calmed down and stopped being a wailing pussy. I was shit at socializing with my peers, and I grew up hearing "well it's not their fault if you can't relate to them, it's yours". I spent my childhood doing stuff at the workshop with my father and my teen years playing computer games in my room during my spare time, my mother telling me I should be having sex instead since I was an autistic loner. When my father died I was 14 and I had to suck it up without much time for sadness because everyone expected me to take his role.
My only social life consisted of a couple of guys who only talked about wanking and playing world of warcraft. We're still friends, cause I socialized with no one else. I can get shit done but I'm unable to relate to new people and be socially active.
Sometimes I wonder if I would have been the same had my parents raised me as a "girl" the way you mean.
