Handsome Diogenes edition
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Previous thread
>>6328461
Daily reminder that I am not under 16
every
day
>sheen leaves
>everyone turns into an uber bitch
she was the wind beneath our wings
>>6329304
>Daily reminder that I am """"""not"""""" under 16
Yeah, ok.
>>6329319
im not tho
>tfw qt gf
: )
>>6329308
are the bruises your boyfriend left on you starting to fade?
>>6329334
can u knot
nth for posting pictures of yourself at 4 months of hrt
>>6329335
but I'm not a doggy
>>6329332
>some people seem pretty good at finding their own happiness
a lot of the time, it's hard to tell.
Does anyone else do this on the couch when they miss their gf?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1TsVjvEkc4s
>>6329332
>idk, some people seem pretty good at finding their own happiness
For how long, and how alone. I seriously doubt any human is capable of being truly alone for too long.
It's biology, humans are social animals.
>>6329343
I dont have a gf but I rub my perenium on the arm of the couch sometimes
HOLY FUCK
I just finished doing some shrooms with my family.
>>6329352
w-what
oh yeah, so I ordered a 12 pack of randomly patterned panties in the mail
they came in yesterday
I shit you not, half of them are solid gray.with pink elastic. None of them are striped. I'm fucking pissed.
>>6329343
No because we aren't filthy transbian scum, justin
>>6329344
There's hermits and stuff, and the brain is pretty adaptable. Yeah you might develop several mental illnesses, but mental illness is just a code word for someone who thinks differently than everybody else. You know, an individual.
>>6329356
That's a common scam, if you want cute panties you have to buy them yourself :/
>>6329343
no, I'm not gay and being gay is disgusting and sinful
I'm going to stop hrt today and start repressing again. Its not like hrt even did anything so I can go back to the way I was quick.
I wish I never thought I could transition. The past year and a half has just been misery.
>>6329355
I just finished tripping with my family
nth for dressing like agp transbian scum
>>6329336
Let's level the playing field, there was a time I was a pretty boy with boobs too...
Keeping track of my sexual triggers is making me realize how often i want to chase it.
It's also making me realize my #1 thing that makes me want to chase sex is pretty much just feeling gross and that it causes a lot of cognitive dissonance and probably why I really don't enjoy sex sometimes despite chasing after people myself.
>>6329363
oh no
>>6329358
>if you want cute panties you have to buy them yourself :/
that's what I ended up doing this morning,. ordered some cute striped panties that came with a push-up bra... not that I'll have any legitimate use for that for a few months...
>>6329367
i have lots of sex because of previous trauma
>>6329333
>tfw qt bf
>>6329363
I'm sure you'll be just as successful in repression as you were at transition.
https://youtu.be/rKDIXD2WTMU
me on the right
>>6329321
It is, it affects some people more than others though.
>>6329313
Idk, I'm not sure just how likely I am to make it at this point. I do appreciate it and also have a bit of hope but idk what "making it" truly means. Does that mean being free of existential angst about how your body is wrong? I'd be happy if somehow there weren't this fog of existential dread that appears at regular intervals.
>>6329358
I got used to being alone and now i struggle having any meaningful relationships. I can't even handle hanging out with people once a week or talking to people online on daily baisis. I want to be alone 6 days of the week.
>>6329364
I wish my family would trip with me.
>>6329365
>>6329336
Geeze, you fucking qtpie
>>6329373
I mean, that's the progenitor.
I mean, like, the living, every day thoughts that contextualize it.
It feels good to feel good with a promise of sexual freedom and someone to praise and take care of me because it's something I desperately wanted before when I couldn't say no or focus on feeling good.
But it's not like it's every specific thought.
I was told to pay attention to the dialogue going on in my head and connect it to my past afterwards.
>>6329311
it's so hard to find someone both stable and relatable though. Either they're a mess that's barely holding themselves together, or they're normie tier
>>6329379
>I'd be happy if somehow there weren't this fog of existential dread that appears at regular intervals.
s-so that never goes away? ;~;
>>6329363
That's a terrible fucking idea and you know it, why would you even say something like that?
>>6329364
based family
>>6329370
If you feel like wearing them, that's as legitimate a use as any! You don't need to justify your panties to anybody else.
>>6329367
>>6329373
That sucks, I hope the sex helps...
>>6329380
I used to be like that but I came to terms with being trans and started working on my anxiety. Hope you get better soon, /pol/ <3
I WOULD PERSONALLY TAKE FREEZING TO DEWATH OVER BOILING TO DEATH BUT THAT'S JUST ME DESU
>>6329391
Please don't die
>>6329379
You're getting to a very philosophical level now, nothing's going to really make a sense, and there's no right conclusion to make.
I don't think you can get to a place where you have no thoughts of doubt or sadness. I guess making it would be being content most of the time.
>>6329391
When you are about to freeze to death your body freaks out and thinks it is too hot. When people freeze to death they find them naked because they rip off their clothes in delusion.
>>6329391
Freezing is probably easier, but I'd rather die in battle, fighting for some lofty philosophical ideal.
*T intensifies*
>>6329377
Me on the left <3
>>6329363
Hang in there. You shouldn't stress yourself over not being able to become what you wanted to be. It happens to all of us.
>>6329390
>You don't need to justify your panties to anybody else.
I mean like, I don't have boobs, and won't have boobs for at least 4 months, so I'm just buying the bra for shits and giggles.
>>6329363
>I need something new to troll with
faggot was trashing repression gen last week
>>6329358
Mental illness can go much further than just thinking differently... Neurosis makes individuals. Real illness, though? Wouldn't wish it on anyone.
>>6329399
WHY CAN'T IT BE LIKE THAT WITH HEAT
I JUST WANT TO BE COLD
TFW NO WALKIN FREEZER
Do you have any siblings mtfg?
>tfw no grace gf
>>6329401
<3
>>6329412
two younger sisters
I was essentially raised as twins with one of them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCof1LiSalE
>that noise
literally faye as a pokemon desu
>>6329413
SHE HAS NO STYLE SHE HAS NO GRACEgf
>>6329412
Younger brother, why?
>>6329376
>that face
2nd pic says it all
who /LonelyVirgin/ here?
>>6329426
getting lonelier by the minute. Why, what's up?
>>6329414
<3
>>6329413
>>6329418
Rest in peas 2slow
>>6329426
I am a virgin. Not sure if lonely just sad.
>>6329379
>but idk what "making it" truly means
to me its the maximum we can reach, it will not get rid of the fog of our medical status, and probably not even the shadow of our past, but I think we could reach a point where both of those things are only looming on the horizon.
the question is if thats something we can be satisfied with.
>>6329412
Yes, 1 brother
>tfw your brother won't fuck your brains out
>>6329293
>>6329384
>>6329390
So here I am sitting on the couch in the living room and my mother comes up to me and gives me some magic mushrooms. My mom tells mw to have some and I tell her I don't want to. I told her I don't like magic mushrooms.
She said to not talk to her like that and she tells me that when she was a little girl that she had to do whatever drugs her mother put in front of her and that do you think l I could talk to my drug dealer that way?
So I tell fine, just give me some mushrooms. I take a few and put them in my mouth and actually it was...nice.so I begin to eat some more and I start to trip balls. As I'm tripping, I see my brother mother and brother consume some mushrooms and start to trip.
But my dad, he ate too much that when he tripped his brain exploded.
>tfw I'll never have a bf
>tfw I'll never be sane
>tfw I'll never be happy
>>6329417
I only sound like that when you.. When you're o////3////o
>>6329293
did you see my post [>>6329341] there?
>>6329439
Keep the bloodline pure
>>6329444
what happened to the boy from last week?
>>6329440
Jurij a saint that slayed the dragon. A common folk tale in my country.
>>6329430
some things never change
>>6329431
<3
>>6329449
We haven't really talked since the date
>>6329447
why is alexander drawn so effeminately? kek.
Also no, didn't see it, sry.
>>6329448
gotta keep the royal blood royal, amirite?
>>6329412
i have an older brother and older sister who are twins, and i have two younger brothers that are twins
>tfw no twin
;_;
>>6329445
it u
>>6329452
>>6329430
Back in black bby
>>6329412
1 cister
1 step sister
1 step brother
>>6329457
maybe you absorbed them in utero
>>6329437
The maximum I can physiologically reach would still be considered a state of debilitating mental illness in a normal human being. Not that it matters in light of your definition since I can't even truly feel satisfaction for anything... I'm junk. A travesty of humanity. There's a hole at my very core that can never be mended.
im back
Cuuuuudddleees for all :3
>>6329412
one older sister, she's like 2 and a half years older than me. and one younger brother, 6 years younger
I've always gotten along well with them both, thankfully
>>6329457
>tfw twin sister who was always more masculine than me
>tfw doctor said that she might be a part of why I'm intersex
>>6329450
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_m0YDxAlG8
>>6329412
a cis sister
>>6329336
4 months is on there
>>6329470
soft cuddles and kisses
>>6329412
>tfw my mom said less than 10 minutes ago
"I can't get over how much you look like your sister"
>>6329388
That I can't say. There actually do seem to be some that completely overcome it and get to a point where it's a distant memory. my personal experience has been that it becomes more bearable and possible to live with, but it never fully went away for me.
>>6329396
I mean I know it's unrealistic to expect to be happy all the time, but I more mean is it possible to get to a point where certain thoughts don't bother you much if at all. It seems like a more doable goal.
>>6329437
Idk, I think that's something I could be satisfied with, it basically sounds like the freedom to build a life with purpose and things beyond just the limitations of your own life and biology. It seems so far off though.
For the record I do think that's a place that you can eventually reach as well, regardless of the other factors in your life making it more difficult.
>>6329412
>siblings
A little brother which I killed on accident
>>6329478
Story please
>>6329450
In AMERICAN he's called GEORGE.
how do i get a red gf
she doesn't really pass but she's cute
>>6329480
In Termina he's called Gyorg.
>>6329437
P-tan! What flag should I concentrate on in wot? They don't have a Latin america
>>6329473
I have no idea what i am looking at.
Is this edited or real deal?
>>6329336
it me at 4 months
>>6329479
We were horsing around outside and I pushed rather hard onto the street and he got struck by an on coming vehicle
>>6329480
You sure? I don't see how that guy could kill a dragon...
http://youtu.be/X4hXdsVUnp4
>>6329474
You look slavic. Are you part Polish?
>>6329476
>tfw mom always says that I look like my grandfather
>>6329488
>pounds of makeup and severe angles
>>6329474
you're so cute
>>6329466
>The maximum I can physiologically reach would still be considered a state of debilitating mental illness in a normal human being.
yes, but you and I are trannies AND crazy, elanna isnt crazy though, just trans and that setup was the one I was referring to.
>>6329476
>For the record I do think that's a place that you can eventually reach as well
maybe, ive a bunch of unsolved issues that Ive never brought up here, I am sure it is a problem thats solvable theoretically, but I am honestly not sure its worth it. I wouldnt bother if I didnt have to deal with it somehow
>>6329486
whats wot?
>>6329496
Ah you're a mtf? Is it cool if i stay here even though i am not?
>>6329493
Black Irish/Dutch. but i clean toilet good
>>6329487
that is the real deal. the guy in focus in that episode is "jurij"
>>6329437
>the question is if thats something we can be satisfied with.
I'm afraid that I'll never be content.
>>6329476
>"I can't get over how much you look like your sister"
I fucking hope that I get to this point. Before puberty, people used to say that I was the male version of my sister... maybe I can get to the point where people say that about us again.
>it becomes more bearable and possible to live with, but it never fully went away for me.
the reason I related it to trauma is because a lot of people that went through traumatic events say the same thing - the memory is never gone, but you can learn to live with it.
>>6329440
>>6329450
>>6329487
>>6329501
Well, it's not like we can stop you.
(you wouldn't be our first /pol/convert either.)
>>6329502
I see no black in you and we share the sad slavface.
>>6329501
yes.
ignore the mad transbians.
>>6329507
>I'm afraid that I'll never be content.
lets talk about that when youve transitioned bby :P
>>6329499
World of tanks! I got it running. Sublimedowntime
>>6329501
Technically I guess I am. And I don't care if you stay
>>6329508
I guess. It sucks though
>>6329511
It was not in freaking Italy. The lore is inaccurate. Screw italians
>>6329517
NA?
Add me.
>>6329429
[spoiler]me too[/spoiler]
>>6329522
But pasta!
>>6329513
Black Irish are an ethnic group who were originally Iberian with links to the Basque people
>>6329363
shut up kayla
you're fucking cute you just need to finish off electrolysis and learn how to girl
>>6329526
Will do! Yeah, though I might Euro if p-tan wants to be axis powers with my weeaboo butch ass as japan
4 months me
>>6329512
You can tell me to leave and i will take a hint if people do not want me around.
What am i suppose to convert to?
>>6329497
ye i like makeup, i'm the devil desu ;3;
>>6329522
It's sad but unfortunately your folklore is the rip-off :(. polls do that a lot, another example would be Faust.
>>6329521
get a haircut!
>>6329534
I'm in Europe too. I use NA because there's less artillery and toxicity.
>tfw play mostly Germany and Russia
>>6329538
Join usss
:3
>>6329519
You're nice. How can i return the favor?
Sending e hugs is pretty awkward
>>6329548
Why
hang on I'll get a 4 months pic of me
in about 3 months
>>6329545
I've come a long way
>>6329546
>polls
I meant slavs, oops.
>>6329538
bf material/one of us.
>>6329545
Tell me more about transbianism
>>6329541
Not the devil just a disgusting whore that needs to get raped
>>6329553
because the hair in that pictue looks like you just let it grow however it wanted and unkempt.
So were allowing chasers here now?
The only good chasers was maki swg tahm and caterpoller
>>6329556
Amy
Please
use me
>>6329568
You can't get east?
(I go by Cpl_Punishm3nt btw...)
>>6329556
Wew. What is the largest pair of trans breats to exist? I always thought that it would only be mosquito sized breasts.
The more you know.
>>6329545
>Transbianism, it's a religion.
can confirm
t. recent convert
accept the gt into your life desu
>>6329563
Trans girl lesbians. Boom. Crazy. All the sexy of women with awesome dicks and a kick ass attitude.
I am so horny
please help
>>6329552
post butt :3
>>6329564
i agree, makeup is cheating and anyone who wears it deserves to die!!!
So hrt 5 years, ffs and srs.
I still look like like a man.
Might as well cut my ties and end my life
>>6329565
No matter what I do to it it always looks like that.
>>6329551
How do i join you?
I'm going to bed pretty soon.
Someone please insult me
>>6329573
I have one bar for east -_-.
>>6329584
Makeup is fine but you take it to drag queen levels
>>6329589
Get hormones :^)
>>6329589
Well, most people start off on 2 weeks of Cypro, and then move onto a combination of that and Estradiol,
>>6329507
Given the similarity in features and other factors it's entirely possible that they might. Like I still don't think I really am that much like my sister appearance wise, but apparently what made my mom pause was my mannerisms and facial expressions. I guess I act more like her than I thought :/
Also, trauma is pretty much exactly what the trans experience is, it's a good comparison rly
>>6329499
Idk the thing is a lot of things are solvable when given a a reason to confront them head-on, and you'll almost certainly reach a point with them where you'll want to confront them.
only terrible neckbeards/islamists hope for people to get raped.
>>6329596
haha ya, and all drag queens deserve to die!!! amirite?!
>>6329576
Nothing says girl like...
>>6329582
Ummm i doubt i would do that. I am not e ven sure if i should ever show my face
>>6329588
What did you even do? just go to get a normal girl haircut and don't use shampoo too much and use conditioner and hair masks(hair masks really important if you used to shampoo every time you showered like i did for years so you can heal your hair)
it worked for me
>>6329590
you're an ugly hon and men will only ever like you for your dick
there, sweet dreams
>>6329594
HOW?
I have 2 bars to west and I'm in IRELAND!
(sometimes. Usually I've got one to both... but ping is 95-233 usually around 117, so it's fine)
I got one of my friends hooked on my game
Also, plans to hang out with my mister at his place for awhile accelerated from Friday to Tuesday, whoops. Also meeting his mom???? Oh geeze. It's all so fast, i'm being done a real big frighten.
I hope kayla is going to be okay :(
>>6329617
purest form of love desu
>>6329621
Kayla no one cares
Kys my man
>>6329617
PUREST FORM OF LOVE
>>6329597
>.> really not into that and even if i was i am 6'3 feet tall
>>6329612
Can't afford haircut places around here. And I don't use shampoo but like twice a week and I do use conditioner and stuff. My hair is just really frizzy
>>6329617
Eh, what's the worst that could happen.
"Purest form of love"
>>6329617
Gay marriage is unbiblical senpaii
Hope sheen died last night
>>6329627
We've got worse.
Besides, you can become a femboy :3 best bf material!
>>6329508
I just don't know anymore, I'm afraid there indeed is a never for me, I can't hide from that. Whatever happens, I know I'll still be fubar. That's where my stay at that bloody clinic did more harm than good. Being basically told that thinking I could have what could pass for a normal experience of life was in itself insanity was beyond chilling. There's no coming back from that. I'm just a failure, an aberration. And when I manage to prop up a facade, I feel like I'm a walking imposture. Because I can never take my mind off the rot that's behind.
>>6329618
Non-existent
But go ahead and be a shill of a poo-picking sexual harasser
>>6329627
but you'd look CUTE
>>6329601
>and you'll almost certainly reach a point with them where you'll want to confront them.
maybe, Ill probably just continue to try to repress/numb though, I dont know if theres upside to therapy, even if it works, Id be a burden on everyone around me for quite a while.
>>6329617
Purest form of love
>>6329617
second purest form of love after love for our Lord and savior Jesus Christ, Son of God.
>>6329627
I'm 6'2 :^3
>>6329624
leave kayla alone, I care
>>6329336
I think this might be the only picture of myself I have from 4 months hrt
>>6329636
I am willing to bet 100$ i could never look "cute"
>>6329617
purest form of love
>>6329646
I'll take you up on that challenge.
>>6329628
well if your hair is frizzy it gets even worse if you don't trim your hair every couple months.
My hair is super frizzy too, but by using hair masks it gets waaaaaaayyy straighter, since it actually becomes hydrated, you should totally try it if you can afford it; i'm talking about those you buy and put on yourself at home. Also makes your hair look way healthier overall
>>6329640
Hey me too. Don't you LOVE being taller than everyone you know?
>>6329617
i refuse
>>6329601
I remember writing that I wished I was more like her during my trip. I just hope I end up being a taller, broader-shouldered version of her.
She has incredibly long hair too, she's just had a complex about not keeping it short for the longest time. Might have something to do with my dysphoria desu.
>mannerisms, facial expressions
you both learned those from your mom, so it's no wonder they're the same.
>trauma
I wish some medical professional would realize this already.
>>6329617
The purest form of love is mine for you~
>>6329652
What are your thoughts on transbians red
>>6329646
You would tho
alrdy posted in passgen but desu that thread is dead
do i look okay?
>>6329649
I'll keep it on mine for when I have the money. I'm in a really tough spot in my life right now and can't afford anything nice.
>>6329657
they're fine
I just....
don't understand how someone can not honor the niceness and feel of men and how men treat women.
>>6329637
Wont you also be a burden to people around you if you have too many issues to function well? Better be a bit more of a burden for a while and eventually get better.
>>6329659
Boys cant be hons silly.
>>6329659
>Kayla trip on
I'm not kayla I'm her belly rubb anon
>>6329655
froggy frog
>>6329659
nope
But you can go ahead and believe the LIES told about me.
i have a bit of a weird thing that's happened. I'm a year post-op and today I looked at my fanny after not looking at it for like 2-3 days and my right labia minora has become like swollen and red but with no pain or tenderness or anything.
why? I haven't done any sex or masturbated recently either so it's not like I was being rough down there
I miss yume and gem.
>>6329660
there is no point in asking if you look ok when you're covering your face with your hands
just type: "guys im asking for validation please praise me so i can feel good about myself"
>>6329669
froge hi howre u
long time no see
>>6329605
you are pretty but you have the weirdest fucking lips
>>6329669
hiiii
>>6329664
maybe youre right and I am just too scared. but I really dont want to be institutionalized. I cant be around others for longer than maybe a few hours, even if I know them, I think I am just trying to prevent more trauma
>>6329674
which kind of red? really meaty red or skin red?
>>6329680
i love edie's lips, i wish i had lips like her
>>6329669
FrogggggggggggggggggggggggggggGGGGGGGg!!!!!!
>>6329648
Alright. Not interested in transitioning but how could i look "cute" enlighten me.
>>6329660
yes but go to a salon and get your eyebrows tweezed and if you don't pass IRL yet tell them very specifically you don't want them tweezed like a guy and show them a picture of a girl whose eyebrows you like because otherwise they won't make them thin enough
then once they're tweezed just maintain them by tweezing the bits that try to grow back, if you stick with it you'll never have to get it done again
you can do it yourself, but i wouldn't recommend it since it only has to be done once if it's by a professional but if you mess it up it'll take forever to grow back
>>6329663
Part of it is being with someone you have something deeply in common with Red. Its really not that complicated.
/mtfg/, do you have any crushes? pic related for me :3 I want to hear him talk about titties as he cuddles me
>>6329674
Wait a few days and if it doesn't get better maybe go to doctor or something
>>6329687
you mean her actual lips, or the rubber ones she wears?
>>6329689
what do you mean with cute
cute as in handsome guy or cute as in girly cute
>>6329668
>>6329692
If he talked to me about tiddies while cuddling me I'd just die of laughter desu
>>6329689
>1836x3264
Jesus Christ
>>6329692
cr1tikal is hot as fuck
my gf has the best lips desu
>>6329544
gibe skype
>>6329678
ribbit
>>6329683
hi hi
>>6329687
she actually only has one pair
>>6329688
kitttTTt
>>6329689
become brienne of tarth
>>6329692
i crush on pookie + cartoon characters
>>6329686
>really meaty red or skin red?
just red skin
>>6329696
Cute as in handsome guy i guess
>>6329651
With heals I hit six seven, it's actually easier to pass because people just think nord and femme features get accepted more easily, in my experience.
>>6329692
Pic related
>>6329654
Idk, I don't act much like my mom at all desu, I find the way she acts really hard to deal with. I've been told that I act like my dad though :/
Idk, you can be more like her if that's what you want. I'm familiar with the feeling of being sort of overshadowed by my sister and having some amount of envy.
>>6329637
Idk it's not even necessarily through therapy. It's more like slowly but surely exposing yourself to things that make you uncomfortable and eventually reaching the point where you can be functional. Like, for example I was basically mute early in transition, I had to have friends order things for me at restaurants because speaking caused so much anxiety. Slowly but surely that got better as i forced myself to interact. Now I'm less burdensome as a result.
>>6329675
Why miss the autistic two?
>>6329701
But thats not AIfe.
>>6329691
I guess I just prefer men
the love of my life is a woman
but most of the people I hook up with are men
>>6329689
you would need facial feminisation surgery on your brow and cheekbones and maybe your chin
but you would look nice enough with a smile and hrt and long hair and eyebrows done
hrt redistributes fat and would make your face significantly more fem
>>6329689
For boy cute: Shave, smile, put on a smaller hoodie, and wear a brighter colour. grow your hair out a bit and lose the frosted tips.
For girl cute, ask Red.
>>6329689
Have you tried not looking like an autist?
>>6329680
i'm mexican and iranian so i don't have the same lips as most ppl i guess
>>6329710
no thats from my transition goals folder
>>6329689
shave, grow hair out longer, do squats = cuteboy :3
>>6329699
What? I am rather confused. Sorta half asleep. Is that the image size? Did i mess up?
>>6329716
dont scare me like that anon
>tfw anon doesn't think ur a slut
