would you rather have your kid come out as ftm or mtf?
nb4 "neither"
>not an option
>>6261032
MtF, I'm thinking. Obviously, I'm going to help them transition as early as possible so the question is who has a better life: an early transition MtF or FtM?
I say MtF because while both of them would have heights and skeletons appropriate for their gender, the FtM would still be dickless so he would have a hard time with girls (I'm assuming both are straight). The FtM would still need to have his uterus removed to prevent cancer, and then need a pelvic sling to hold his other organs in place. If he goes for SRS, it's his $100,000-$200,000 vs. her $20,000.
I've basically already considered this question before because I've wondered if I was lucky to be MtF and not FtM.
>>6261032
ftm
a smaller size is easier to find clothes and shoes to fit.
the boobs in my family is on the small size so can do keyhole method for top surgery.
T helps you pass better than E regardless of the age before starting HRT.
also ftms experience less hostile reactions in traditional cultures than mtfs even when not passing, presenting somewhat similar to a tomboy/dyke.
>>6261032
ftm, as long as he's not a nu-male.
>>6264854
Why are you talking about this like they're already an adult when they come out?
>>6264941
why do you assume your kid will 100% come out to you at age 3-9 before puberty hits?
why do you not assume your kid should have all the time in the world to figure out how they want to proceed with their feelings instead of being rushed by a ticking biological clock?
why do you not assume your kid might want to experiment with alternatives just to make sure?
>>6261032
I'd prefer it came out as Attack Helicopter.
>your kid
HA!
>>6261032
Either works fine.
>>6265058
>M-Mom, this is me...
>BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT
>MOTHERFUCKING HIND GET DOWN
>>6261032
I'd prefer they came as a miscarriage if they're either
>>6261032
Accidentally read this as "come out of a mtf or ftm"
Probably MTF, ftm will always be curvy overcompensating manlets.
>>6264542
>$100,000-$200,000
Holy shit, is this actually how much they need to pay for srs?
>>6264542
>and then need a pelvic sling to hold his other organs in place.
wtf are you talking about.
this is not a thing
>>6265040
>why do you assume your kid will 100% come out to you at age 3-9 before puberty hits?
>why do you not assume your kid might want to experiment with alternatives just to make sure?
I'm guessing you're not trans. I already wanted to live as a woman at 8 years old and didn't feel right with myself as a male at 6 or 7. The main, if not the only reason I didn't transition before puberty could even start was because I knew I would face parental disapproval, and given how much importance I placed on pleasing my parents along with my timidity and lack of friends (therefore, I had no real social support system who would accept me for me) I became a repressed child and went on to be a repressed teenager. It's my view based on myself and some stories I've heard from trans people, that given a more free environment, a lot would have transitioned very early. Even some crossdressers who do it for arousal start at young ages, and I have no doubt some would want to transition if they heard about it and they knew their parents did not see it in a negative light at all. Fair enough that some kids that appear to be gender dysphoric are actually just homosexual. However, pretty much all of them drop out of puberty blocking programs by age 14 and go on to let normal puberty take its course.
>why do you not assume your kid should have all the time in the world to figure out how they want to proceed with their feelings instead of being rushed by a ticking biological clock?
Literally what puberty blockers are for.
>>6265365
This is the best answer
>>6267810
> MUH HARD-WIRED TRANNINESS
> you must use 17 different pronouns with me and it changes daily. And I will have 48 screeching fits if you get it wrong once.
>>6267962
>>6267810
>my view based on myself and some stories I've heard from trans people, that given a more free environment, a lot would have transitioned very early
just because i'm open and accepting doesn't mean the people in my culture are accepting. parental disapproval plays a part in repressing yea but so are peer pressure trying to fit in among people at schools and shit for your kid.
>I'm guessing you're not trans
>I became a repressed child and went on to be a repressed teenager
you repressed before and you are assuming your kid won't try repressing? are you literally saying your kid is not trans when they don't come out to you before puberty because they perceived you being disapproving?
>>6267810
>I'm guessing you're not trans.
Your experiences don't make you more trans than anyone. When I was 5 I consciously decided I couldn't tell anyone about my gender issues and kept that promise until I was 23. My parents are totally cool and would have warmed up to the idea eventually, but my extended family and my state in general were not very positive influences. My point is there are a shitload of variables, not to mention gender dysphoria is different for everyone. You aren't 100% control of your child's environment, nor should you be.
>>6264542
>pelvic sling
Uh
Where the hell are you getting that information
Because as an FtM we don't have to get pelvic slings
>>6267083
No it's not. Phallo is 40k, not a quarter million dollars. Meto is the same price as vaginoplasty.
This person has no clue about anything.
>>6264542
>paying a quarter million dollarydoos to mutilate yourself
Top fucking lel
>>6270556
>believing this anon
>most likely trying to samefag
>>6270556
nice meme.
>>6270618
>tfw this guy probably went bankrupt and they seized his house because he felt the need to cut his cock off
FTM
Cause they don't have reputations in society as freakshows, and due to being able to dress and act like boys as kids, don't seem to be as crazy.
He wouldn't be a porn star, or a drug addict, or a sex worker.
Plus, it seems most ftms live fairly normal lives, with wives, friends and normal jobs.
Mtfs don't really settle down with a normal husband and kids, they remain purely fetishes for creepy men who could murder them.
Having an MtF as child is having a tranny for a kid, and it comes with all sorts of social stigmas.
Having an FtM is more like having an intersex kid or a deaf kid, or a kid with some other hard to deal with disability.
it would be a lot easier to explain to the rest of my family as well.
i've dated a few mtfs so no hate, but i'd hate for my child to grow up like most of you do
>>6270895
>due to being able to dress and act like boys as kids
>>6270895
>He wouldn't be a porn star, or a drug addict, or a sex worker.
He might, I mean just look at Buck Angel
Also a good chunk of the FtM's in the general are stoners and/or pill poppers
ftm
T tends to change the body better imo and there's not the chance of "hon"ing out because traps so hopefully the child will have less dysphoria.
>>6270895
>As a chaser, I'm an expert
>>6270920
doesn't really look like hes very long into transition, if transitioned at all, i'm not sure what you're trying to prove
>>6270944
buck angel seems to be an exception, as he's the only ftm porn star i've heard of.
Also, pot smokers are not drug addicts.
>>6270967
i'm a bi female, who happens to have dated a few mtfs, not a 'chaser'
>>6270895
>Mtfs don't really settle down with a normal husband and kids
I want to though ;_;
>>6271141
> i'm not sure what you're trying to prove
That they mostly look like fat dykes and dress like absolute faggots.
>>6267810
>I am incapable of understanding that people are different from me
>>6271184
Don't listen to their bullshit, my fiance is marrying me
>>6271185
not really sure how that's possible with testosterone
maybe that's just the gay ones that date guys and don't take hormones
>>6271228
>le testosterone is magic meme
kys
>>6271232
i'd just imagine it would be hard to look like a dyke if you had facial hair.
the ones i've had experience with look more like this ftm
not that it matters, because the question wasn't whether i thought ftms or mtfs passed better, (there's good and bad in both groups)
but which i would rather have as a child, and ftms seem to have more 'normal' life experiences, and i would want my child to have the most normal life possible
>>6271349
>a biological woman with that fuckhuge manjaw
Fuck no, vast majority of ftms have babyfaces they cover with a neckbeard to hide the fact they're females.
>>6261032
mtf. my advice would be relevant to their specific case and I could empathize with them better and therefore provide better emotional support. not to mention more easily fascilitate aquiring things for them that they would otherwise be uncomfortable getting themselves like panties etc.
>>6261032
Ftm
Their life would be easier that way and if they found out it wasn't for them, they could revert easier.
>>6271379
like i said, it really doesn't matter
and is also not my experience.
it seems like you hang out on the internet too much
>>6261032
Ftm. Even though I myself am Mtf, I've got a huge fitness obsession and I feel like I could really help a ftm kid come into his own as a brick shithouse. My passing is mostly genetics so I have nothing to offer a Mtf daughter except proper squatting advice.
>>6271434
>I have nothing to offer a Mtf daughter except proper squatting advice
yo hook me up
>>6261032
MtF obviously.
Better surgery options, much easier time with hormones (way less side effects), and that's really all that matters.
She would transition young, so male puberty wouldn't affect her at all.
>>6271573
>way less side effects
thats not really a good thing
>>6265040
Are you retarded? Trans people know they want to be of the opposite sex by that age.
If you raise your kid so that it knows it's ok to talk about things with you, and make sure it's ok to talk about everything... Then the kid will come out early.
>>6270759
>Having this bad reading comprehension
>>6271586
Retarded?
>These two medications are exactly as effective
>This one however, has more side effects
>SO IT'S BETTER!
>>6271594
Not always dumbotron
>>6269389
Peers are something to think about, but if I had a kid, it would mostly likely be 6 years from now. By the time they get to be old enough to consider transition, it is very possible trans kids will be easily accepted among their peers. And I plan to make it clear from the earliest moment my children can say they want to be a girl or a boy and I will help them. There's also the fact I'm trans myself, and I would not hide that from my kids.
>>6269540
>Your experiences don't make you more trans than anyone.
You're jumping to conclusions. To remind you, this is an LGBT board, and that poster could just as easily have been cis. Lots of the cis LGB on the board don't respect trans people, and those who do may not always support early transition or realize it's importance. Therefore, it was more likely they were cis LGB.
>>6267083
>>6270537
>>6270562
>>6270556
>>6270618
We're two different people. And my cost estimates are based off of this anon's surgery
http://deploy.loveisover.me/lgbt/thread/5112297/#5113478
As you can see, he said the first stage of his phalloplasty costs $78,000 without insurance coverage.
>>6267089
>>6270514
Okay, I do seem to have made a mistake there. Pelvic slings after hysterectomy appear to be for women who had uterine prolapse instead of for all hysterectomies.
>>6271141
>buck angel seems to be an exception, as he's the only ftm porn star i've heard of.
Do a search for FtM porn. There's more than just Buck Angel. The FtM porn market is smaller than MtF, but it is expanding.
>>6271228
>maybe that's just the gay ones that date guys and don't take hormones
You might as well call those "gay."
>>6271670
>>6271214
Wrong. I'm not even one of those trannies that gets #triggered the moment she feels her penis in her pants or sees it in the mirror. I'm just saying if you're trans, you're going to have some gender variance in your childhood, and if your environment doesn't shame you for it, you're going to express it and embrace it a lot more and a lot younger than you would have otherwise. So you are far more likely to realize you want to live as the other gender and transition early in your teens.
>>6271427
Since when does anyone claim FtMs have an easier time detransitioning than MtFs? Unless you're talking about detransitioning after SRS.
>>6271586
Are you conflating side effects with effectiveness?
>>6271573
>>6271594
Why are you two and I the only ones who seem to be thinking the same thing?
>>6271613
>exactly as effective
hahahaha
>>6271706
>Taking puberty blockers at the very start of puberty
>Taking testosterone or estrogen at 16 at the latest
>Somehow, the MtF will wind up a hon or less feminine than cis girls even though they annihilated testosterone and had female estrogen levels throughout, so she never had male development and replicated female development. She might have been on progesterone too. While the FtM is masculinized a lot more than she was feminized. You know, just 'cause.
>>6271745
That's not how it works though.
The mtfs who take estrogen will be shorter, not develop male facial features.
The only thing they'll have lesser of, is pelvic widening, but that can certainly widen too. As well as hairline will more likely be masculine, as it's determine before birth.
While, ftms, will not become any taller.
Obviously, they'll have wider hips, and more feminine hairline too.
HRT is more effective for mtfs, and has less side effects.
It's only on late transitioner where it'll be more effective for ftms.
>>6272234
>While, ftms, will not become any taller.
>Obviously, they'll have wider hips, and more feminine hairline too.
Not if they take test before puberty?
ftms who go through male puberty, would be just as tall as cis males, and develop the same skeletons, same hips/shoulders.
test is what makes men taller than women, develop broad shoulders ect.
>It's only on late transitioner where it'll be more effective for ftms.
most people will be late transitioners. most parents will not let their children transition before 16/18
>>6261032
>would you rather have your kid come out as ftm or mtf?
>nb4 "neither"
>>not an option
neither is still my answer, pham.
>>6261032
FtM, obviously: tomboys are cool, trannies are not.
>>6272411
my brother of negroid persuasion
>>6272335
>test is what makes men taller than women
Not so much the case as much as it's estrogen causing the epiphyseal plates to close up sooner, preventing any future growth. You can see Dr. Spack mention that here https://youtu.be/qtkJlqTCPNU?t=13m33s
See how girls tap out of growth at about 14
http://www.cdc.gov/growthcharts/data/set1clinical/cj41c022.pdf
while boys start to flatline at about 17?
http://www.cdc.gov/growthcharts/data/set1clinical/cj41c021.pdf
14 for an MtF is still early, but for an FtM, it's already late because they're not going to grow any taller.
>>6272379
Your height has a lot of factors that go into it. There's your prenatal environment whether you got all the nutrients you needed and no toxins, whether you slept as much as you should have slept as a child, whether you were malnourished as a child, and the last component I know about again, is whether your dominant hormone is estrogen, which causes your epiphyseal plates to close sooner.
>>6272379
no.
your genetics determine the full potential of your height but estrogen is responsible for bones fusing over at the ends, which stops people growing.
>>6272482
>estrogen causing the epiphyseal plates to close up sooner,
which wouldn't happen, if testosterone was the dominant hormone in their bodies, making them cismale height
>>6272516
Yes, but it's not testosterone itself that makes men taller than women, it's the lack of estrogen's influence.
FtM because they won't go crazy from estrogen Injections, and actually pass rather than being a horrible hon
>>6272335
>most people will be late transitioners. most parents will not let their children transition before 16/18
Not really.
Those who are born today will not be late transitioners.
