>mfw a mtf tries to transplain womanhood to me
>>6253254
>mfw a conservative who has never opened up a biology book, psychology book, neurology book, and most likely not even the Bible, tries to cisplain being trans
>mfw i accidentally drive to the wrong university campus
>Tfw piss on my pants after taking a urination at work.
>Cover it up by flooding that entire area with water to make it look like a spill and not a piss stain.
>tfw trying to make a girl commit suicide but she just starts laughing at me and doesn't die
>mfw a mtf makes misandrist comments
>mfw a ftm makes misandrist comments
>mfw a tranny tries to explain what lesbians are like to me; an actual cis lesbian
>mfw a tranny tries to tell me I'm not a lesbian if I'm not attracted to a mutilated man with silicone tits and a chopped up frankenpenis
>TFW a cute trans girl talks about lewd things
>mfw when mental illness gets money from the government for free to change sex while someone whos losing eye sight has to pay out of pocket.
>mfw mentally ill people cut off their dicks and pretend to be women in the most stereotypical way possible
>mfw an FTM tells me i don't get to define what masculinity is
>>6253549
Chris chan is stunning and brave
>>6253541
what! how!?!? I thought i had to pay for it!
>>6253254
>mfw a ciswoman thinks transwomen need their personal approval in order to exist
>mfw lesbians follow me and bully me and it won't stop and it will never stop
help
>>6253592
>MFW anons think they know more than the general consensus of the APA
>>6253535
>mfw reading lewd and cute posts by trans girls or their boyfriends and remembering my life will be lived as a lonely hon from now on
>>6253624
being trans when you're not cute isn't worth it if you have the choice
>mfw MtFs actually think hormones, voice acting, and dress-up compensate for differences in physiognomy and genetics between the sexes. It's a delusional stance and I hope it's just a meme here.
Transgenders should be the 3rd and 4th genders.
Transgenders should own it instead of deluding themselves.
>>6253592
That's pretty much exactly what I was talking about. Trans people are not yours to judge. Their existence does not depend on your approval. They exist whether you like it or not.
>mfw when a trans""""woman"""" rejects feminism completely
>>6253647
>>6253630
not our faults we hate ourselves. How would you feel it you were turned into a guy or gal with no say? And the things you like are criticized because of how you look? And to hate how you look? I don't understand it. But i hope that science can one day cure this.
>>6253660
Yes, how arrogant of me to think that trans people have a right to exist without consulting you first.
How petty I am to be insulted by your arrogance.
How weak to condemn your disrespect for the rights of people you don't like.
>>6253628
I'm no longer attractive as a male either, or I won't be in some unknown time from now (not related to being a tranny).
>>6253657
>mfw there are two faces here with contrasting expressions
>>6253630
Never understood how people are comfortable calling women with AIS women but not with calling trans women women.
And don't say it's because they're a rarity because trans people make up 0.3% of the population.
Like just chill we're not trying to steal anything from u.
>>6253782
>mfw >mfw my trans friend emails me after months of radio silence out of the blue telling me she's homeless and jobless and tried to kill herself before going off the grid but says she's doing better now and that she'd like to see me soon and I didn't even post mfw
>>6253682
Exactly. Wonderful that you see it the right way.
>>6253790
>mfw ex-gf that cucked me with ten separate guys over the course of a month messages me asking how to deal with a miscarriage and says she'd like to see me soon
>mfw this happened at age fourteen
>>6253690
just get some T shots, shit is hella powerful
>>6253254
Please tell me why you're making death threats against a poor lesbian who unwittingly made you look bad.
Why are you stalking women, op?
>>6253630
Genetics is mostly just gene expression and that's just hormone mediated
>>6253613
>mfw faggots were rightfully seen as mentally ill by the general consensus of the APA
>>6253794
I hope that the next time you imagine SJWs hating people like yourself for things you can't control, aren't ashamed of and don't hurt anybody, you remember that you enjoyed making other people feel the same way.
>>6253846
As if I'm ever going back to being a repressed, resentful sadnigger like you again. I'm just going to live on HRT in boymode, even if I'm ugly because whatever hormones you can think of won't change what I've got.
It's a progressive disease that I'm talking about (not an STD).
>>6253870
>mfw /pol/acks think science is stagnant
>>6253875
Allow me to word my response in a pop culture reference, darling.
You sad that people are mean?
Well, I'm sorry, the world isn't one big liberal arts college campus.
People are dicks, get over it.
And news flash: 4chan is all about that shit. If you want to be offended and pull the 'Don't be mean because that's not nice'-card you can go, as Notch so eloquently put it, 'tumblr a patreon'.
Now allow me a little rant:
People afflicted with autism or some other shitty thing can't control that either, nor do they usually hurt someone, but the general consens is that it would be desirable to cure that stuff.
Transgenderism, if we are talking the legit existing body dysmorphic disorder kind of tranny, is not much different, yet in the time after the LGB movement has reached it's goals, somehow instead of working on a way to rebalance the shit screwing with those people, it is now common practice to enable irreversible things like transitioning at an incredibly young age.
The argument that it doesn't hurt anybody is moot if we are living as a community and, in case you didn't notice, humans are still gregarious animals, have always been. It's what makes us great.
Your behaviour will always have an effect on the people around you and the vast majority of people are able-bodied, cis-bodied, heterosexuals. That automatically means that anybody who is not part of the majority is not entitled to anything special unless the majority thinks that they should be.
Majority in this case is a screwy term becaues, let's be honest, 90% of all people do not care about 95% of all things happening as long as there is enough food to feed them and shelter to keep them warm.
It is a testament to how well off we are, that things like HRT are even available.
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't change the status quo for most reasons, but do not make the mistake to assume that you are entitled to:
Being treated nice.
Getting HRT.
Anything that the 95% don't need or care about.
t. a fag
>>6254432
You say doctors are in in a conspiracy and you know better than them.
You're obviously a sad delusional fool who thinks he knows more than them despite amounting to nothing.
You're more dangerous to society than them. And I'm saying this as a fag. Don't try and run other people's lives when you're incompetent.
>>6254445
>You say doctors are in in a conspiracy and you know better than them.
Citation needed.
>>6253288
>cisplain
>>6254432
You realize that the only people who like South Park are boring 5'5'' "men", correct?
>>6254448
Reversing delaying Meds for teens the fda says aren't permanent isn't giving kids sex changes.
Doctors aren't out to get you. Get over other people doing stuff you don't like.
>>6254451
And yet you did get the reference instantly which can only mean one of two things:
You yourself are a 5'5'' "man", or references can be made without necessarily 'liking' the source.
>>6253472
>not just soaking and then towel-drying entire trousers so they're a uniform darker shade rather than having a stain
>>6254456
You appear to have missed the entire paragraph all about how liking or not liking what other people do is a moot point because in the end the majority is who decides what is okay and who will receive what kind of treatment.
You can freely apply my argumentation to anything that is outside the norm, feel free to do so, that's how it was meant.
It also seems to have gone right over your head that this is fucking 4chan and that offending people for the heck of it is tons of fun. I was taking the piss, mate.
Serious mode now, though.
The core is this:
If you are gay/trans/disabled/whatever, you are not entitled to the same things a straight/cis/able/whichever person is. Simply because they make up the vast majority and they make the rules.
That's not fair, of course, but that's kinda how life is, so get over it.
That does not mean, of course, that one should just sit back and let everything happen. Gay people not getting thrown in prison, disabled people getting wheelchair ramps, trans people getting a treatment that solves the whole issue (Be it HRT, snippity-snip or something to fix the BDD) are things that should exist, but they should not be taken for granted, because these are the first things to go when the status quo goes down the deep end and when that time comes the majority will notice that enforcing old rules is very easy when 95% of the population do it.
Let's just hope it doesn't come to that, right?
>>6254493
You're arguing with a tranny. You're literally trying to reason with a person who thinks chopping off their body parts is perfectly fine.
>>6254493
Why would you bother making exemptions at all if you don't believe that they're entitled to the same things as straights etc. ? If you give them some, why not all, or why not just none? Why the exceptions?
>>6254432
>Everyone has the right to be mean
>But it's not mean to say that transgender people ought to be "cured" out of existence
>Also, transgender discrimination is fair because it happens
>Cis people know what's best for trans people, but also cis people can do whatever they want to with trans people
You can't defend bullies for being able to exist in this tough, imperfect world while also agreeing with them and expect me to think you're being reasonable.
>>6254509
Transgender people don't "chop off their body parts." That's not even an accurate description of male-to-female genital surgery, and that's done by surgeons on the recommendation of psychiatrists.
But hey, my mistake for trying to reason with someone who doesn't think medical professionals can ever, ever know what's best for their patients.
>mfw a straight guy tells me he has sucked dick and done gay stuff more than I have
>>6254499
>>6254432 (You)
>Everyone has the right to be mean, especially on 4chan
>Proceeds to sincerely scold someone for condemning discrimination
>It's not mean to say that transgender people ought to be "cured" out of existence
>And also, trans discrimination is fair because it's possible
>Cis people know what's best for trans people, but also cis people can do whatever they want to with trans people
>And no one has the right to say that's not fair
>deleted
Come on dude. Come ON! Where's the fun if you delete it?
Of course you have the right to say that it's not fair because it IS not fair. The whole point is that life isn't fair but you have to deal with that.
When people agree to work on artificially getting rid of that unfairness, all is well and nice. That's why there are special programs for kids who have trouble concentrating, that's why people with incurable diseases get treatment to help them live better and longer, that's why people from europe travel to africa and dig wells or invent water filtration stuff and it's all great. But it's also incredibly fragile and a product of abundance. As such, all these things will be the first to go when things get rough.
That's something you have to accept when you are not part of the 95%. If you don't, you might be in for a rough awakening, although I hope that things won't go that way, at least not within this or the next generation. Comfy life is comfy.
Now for 'curing trans people out of existence'.
Do you mean to tell me that you would wish someone to be born having to go through all that shit? If so, then you are an ass, sir.
Let's go with the whole 'curing' gay people, to make it personal for me.
Yes, I would support research that keeps kids from having to go through the same shit I had to go through, although I do acknowledge that it had a lot of influence on who I am now and my character and all that biz.
It just wasn't a nice thing to go through.
>>6254509
>You're arguing with a tranny.
I like a bit of a challenge.
Makes it all the more fun to have a mildly civilised discussion.
>>6254509
Libertarian Femfag. I really don't see why trailer trash like you should have any say over what I do.
Not only are you inept and unqualified for anything but menial shit and you've somehow convinced yourself into thinking you're special, dangerous and dumb.
But you think you can get rid of anything that offends you. Manchild with a god complex. Thankfully capitalism means you won't ever get say over what others do.
>>6254493
That literally isn't the way the states is supposed to work, the federalist papers said the country and its courts were meant to prevent mobocracy.
>>6254563
> the federalist papers said the country and its courts were meant to prevent mobocracy.
Ah yes, but who enforces the rules that the mob should not rule? The mob.
>>6254591
Judiciary, technocrats basically. That or we get a Weimar mess.
>>6254549
You sure typed a lot, but you didn't really say anything new. At most you've clarified the bleakness of your perspective.
That LGBT tolerance is "unnatural" and can only be sustained artificially by civilized society. That same civilized society that you believe can and should cure not only transgender people, but also gay people out of existence.
It seems like you believe LGBT discrimination is both instinctual and enlightened because you're also unhappy with yourself. You welcome it. And think everyone like you should do the same.
>>6254563
>lolbertarian
>a meme ideology that can't even solve broken roads
Opinion discarded
>>6254677
>That LGBT tolerance is "unnatural" and can only be sustained artificially by civilized society.
Not unnatural, just not normal. There's a difference there. Aside from that, yes, only a 'civilised' society will actually maintain seperate rights for minority groups that make up such a very very very small part of it.
>can and should cure not only transgender people, but also gay people out of existence.
I don't know about the 'can' part, but yes, if there was a way to stop people having to go through that stuff, it would take an ass of gigantic proportions to deny that possibility.
Being gay is okay, but if there was a choice, noone should have to go through that. Isn't that the whole point of the 'It's not a choice' argument?
That noone would actually choose to be gay or trans if given the choice?
Don't treat a 'cure' like someone threatening to cull all non-straight non-cis people. It's about future generations not having to deal with the shit we had to go through.
>It seems like you believe LGBT discrimination is both instinctual and enlightened
Instinctual isn't what i would call the discrimination part.
But it is instinct to look out for yourself and those closest and most similar to you first and after that, if you have the resources, care for other groups/people.
So yeah, if the majority feels that special rights and treatment for any group take away from their own well-being, I would call that instinctual.
No idea where you get the 'enlightened' part.
What I said is quite the opposite: In dangerous, unelightened times 'discrimination' is widespread and normal.
More rights for different minorities are the result of more enlightment, not less. Although 'enlightment' isn't a term I like in this case. Not sure what else to use, though, so let's just roll with it.
>>6253500
>not hating men
gay
>>6253288
>implying you've ever opened any of those
>>6254751
It doesn't sound like you know much about LGBT acceptance in the pre-modern world. There are plenty of documented examples. I can name a few, but the point is that LGBT acceptance can happen any time, anywhere. There's no reason to believe it's "not normal," that it's younger than the United States, that it can only be sustained artificially, or that once this current stream is interrupted, no other could ever emerge.
>>6254930
Ah well, I'm not from the US, so I honestly don't really much care about that part of the world as much as it may have seemed from the way I wrote.
It's also not about it being a 'modern' thing, but something that tends to appear in stable societies.
We have both ancient romans and ancient greeks to see just that: After their civilisation had established stability and accommodation they began using gay sex as fun times in aristocratic circles or as a way to get an emotional bond between teacher and student.
I also didn't mean to imply that things like that don't exist without civilisation, but merely that they tend to either not be relevant to anyone, step into the background or to get targeted by the majority because humans like doing that when things are unstable or not nice and comfy.
Now for
>There's no reason to believe it's "not normal," that it's younger than the United States, that it can only be sustained artificially, or that once this current stream is interrupted, no other could ever emerge.
I agree with that, except for
> There's no reason to believe it's "not normal,"
You need to be careful to distinguish between 'normal' and 'natural'. Homosexuality, for one, is perfectly natural, but it is not normal. Heterosexuality is normal.
'Not normal' as a phrase seems to have a bit of a negative reputation, but it's not negative. It just describes something that is not part of the majority.
>>6253288
Who let you out of the asylum?
>mfw another fuckboi tries to explain that I just haven't had good dick yet
>mfw when fuckboi says he apparently has good dick
>>6254751
If it's decided that anyone who's prone to be bullied, misunderstood, unhappy, lonely, isolated, would be better off having never existed in the first place, then that reasoning could easily extend beyond people who face those hardships because they are LGBT.
It could extend beyond waiting until it's possible for those differences to be eliminated not the afflicted party, to aborting fetuses and euthanizing living people.
If you think of being LGBT as an affliction, you're pathologizing much broader categories of human experience and deciding for other people that their lives are so much less pleasant than others as to ultimately be better not being lived at all.
And that doesn't strike me as quite as compassionate as you see it.
>>6255033
You're trying to argue for decency on a board where a good quarter of the posters pride themselves on trying to out pol /pol/ to fit in. To prove how much harder they hate themselves than the whiny manlets do.
It's inherently going to be a failure.
>>6255050
I'm talking to one anon who wants to seem thoughtful and considerate, so I'd say I'm choosing my battles sensibly enough.
But thanks for your concern.
>>6255013
>mfw was wondering why a straight guy would be posting on /lgbt/ then realized you were a lesbian
>>6255033
Well, surely we can take some other 'affliction'.
Let's go with someone who is without a doubt going to end up near-totally paralysed because of ALS.
Would you press the button that heals the disease before it ever starts?
One could argue that that would destroy the chance of 'creating' someone like Stephen Hawking (And there is no man alive who admire more.), but for every Stephen Hawking there are hundreds of thousands of people who die in pain and without most pleasures in life.
ALS is obviously not the same as being gay, so obviously arguing for one issue should not be taken as a point for the other issue.
Let's just stay within the small part of issues that is LGB T. After all we are merely talking hypothetical 'cures', so why make it more complex than it has to be and start an argument as old as philosophy and ethics themselves.
>to aborting fetuses and euthanizing living people.
Now that is where I would draw the line.
I'm all for genetical engineering. Getting rid of things like higher risk for cancer or heart attacks. Giving a kid perfect 20/20 sight. Straightening that scoliosis before it ever happens. Even making sure that the kid ends up with with high intelligence.
And yes, that includes pressing a button that makes a kid striaght or bi. Simply because it would make life much easier for them.
If we imagine for one moment that the whole slippery slope of 'Why just 'cure' it when we can just PURGE THEM ALL?!' doesn't exist, there aren't that many arguments against 'curing' LG T 'out of existence'.
Sure, preferring dick has had impact on most parts of my life and my personality, but at the same time it took away the impact heterosexuality would have had. I would have been a different person, but my life until now would have been much much easier and I never even ran into any kind of bad reaction or discrimination, so I can only imagine how much worse other people are off.
I'd like future generations to have an easier life, that's all.
>>6253870
The best scientists in the world also once thought the Sun rotated around the Earth. That doesn't mean it does.
NO POO FOR YOU
>>6255116
On /lgbt/ """"""""""lesbians"""""""""""""" are straight guys though.
pic related. he claims to be a lesbian kek
>>6255382
And perhaps the lot of us will be proven wrong in a few generations on all this stuff too, eh?
There's not much gained by arguing 'But scientists 20 years ago were sooooo IGNORANT' when it may just be proven 20 years from now that scientists twenty years ealier than that were sooooooo IGNORANT.
>>6255429
You're missing the point. Scientists from 20 years or more back can be right too - people knew the Earth was round since 500 BC, for example.
What i'm saying is that just because it used to be classified as a mental illness doesn't mean shit. People in the past were wrong, and our new view, as evidenced by people with actual degrees in this kind of field rather than shitposters on a Tibetan carpentry forum, is correct or at least more correct.
>>6255396
>>6255450
I love you
>>6253870
Homosexuality can't really be categorized as a mental illness beyond muh feels because it does not impair anyone's ability to live. Promiscuous poz faggot culture is a different thing, however, but merely being attracted to your same sex will not warrant any treatment for you to function in society.
Whereas transexuality/dysphoria needs "treatment" which involves years-long medical intervention and body modification/mutilation. Either that or deceiving or trying to deceive everyone around you.
>>6253578
>mfw trannies pride themselves on being better than women
>>6255557
>but merely being attracted to your same sex will not warrant any treatment for you to function in society.
Good luck reproducing without a female being involved.
>>6255708
>Being a newfag who doesn't know what ">mfw" actually means
>>6255714
>Mfw a tranny is virolic and aggressive for no good reason. I have no face.
>>6255711
>muh reproduction
kek, congrats on your IT tech level of understanding of Darwin
>>6253541
thats because a lot more people are losing eye sight than changing sex
>>6255711
When will the 'Heterosexual reproduction is the ONLY purpose'-meme finally die?
Twenty minutes with a grade ten biology textbook are all you need to learn that there is a reason for additional, childless adults in a stable society.
>>6253516
Meh. As a bi dude, I'm never gonna be able to understand whether it's normal/easy/"right" to wanna bone done with someone with the right junk, even if it is by surgery and not cis, or not. Not saying this is true for all bi dudes, but men are pigs and I'm a man who likes men and women, so I can't imagine not being ok without someone's junk being derived by science and not by nature.
>>6255148
It's already been established that the "harm" of being LGBT is social -- it's being bullied, misunderstood, isolated, excluded. And that you believe it's just natural for people to react in negatively to differences like being LGBT. But wouldn't it be better to eliminate a person's "natural" inclination to react negatively to the differences of others?
Or would you rather believe we'll get along best when we're all the same, all "normal," and consider it science's noble mission to make us that way?
