Does transitioning make it easier or harder to get a gf? Not my only reason, I do genuinely prefer to look female an have female parts, however this dysphoria was mild enough to ignore until I reached 24 and I still haven't ever had a girlfriend. Therefore if I never had any interest in being male and doing so is not even getting me girls then I no longer have anything to lose by giving in to my secret desire. But will I gain anything?
Pros:
>Don't have to "be a man", "do the chasing", "be charming" and other assorted stressful shit, just sit back and look pretty
Cons:
>Tiny as fuck dating pool, basically lesbians who are ok with transsexuals or other transsexuals.
I want to look pretty so I'm sure I'd do better with the lesbians right? did an experiment with fake OKC profiles. One was a cis lesbian, 30% reply rate, they all drolled over the "my" boobs. the other was a obvious hon, even that managed a 12% reply rate. Now compare this with my real male profile which manages a 3% reply rate. Furthermore the replies were actually engaging, no dead one liners me painfully having to drag the conversation forward until it inevitably dies. I don't know what is wrong with straight women and I don't care anymore, I want out.
>>6136256
>Does transitioning make it easier or harder to get a gf?
Easier. Nowadays everyone's raised to hate men and worship women, your dating value will go up one thousand fold just by being female, one million times that if you become a cute female.
>>6136256
>Does transitioning make it easier or harder to get a gf?
What do you think?
Do you seriously think, that lesbians, who have made up words like "gold star lesbian", and are the majority of TERFs, would want to be with an mtf?
>>6136282
what about other transsexuals?
>>6136310
They're usually together by default.
>>6136319
Well sign me up.
DON'T FUCKING DO IT ANON, DON'T DO IT!!!
cis lesbian here, pic related is your fucking dating pool, the second one on the left side being the trans woman and the only one who is /fit/. I would never ever recommend anybody to be a lesbian. You are going to be in for a shitty shitty time if you do it.
Here's what you look forward to:
>tiny dating pool
>most of them fat, poor, and autistic
>30% of self proclaimed lesbians change their orientation to straight and marry men
>high rates of obesity
>high rates of domestic violence
>high rates of divorce
I mean, half the time I want to fucking kill myself for being born in such a fucking shitty orientation. There are so many beautiful, strong, and awesome straight girls. Sure, /r9k/ and redpill will tell you that all women are terrible, but for a straight man, the numbers of quality hot straight women are vastly in his favor. For fucks sakes, lesbians don't even have any good porn.
And for those transbians who says lesbians won't date them, look to the queer/bi women demographic. So what if they're SJW? They're so openminded they'll date a hairy ass fat man as long as he identifies as a woman.
>>6136492
forgot to add:
if you are submissive and are looking forward to other girls putting out the first move, don't fucking bet on it. Most women are submissive and depend on the other person to make the first move so guess what happens in the lesbian community? That's right. Autists standing on a wall away from each other, wondering when a hot girl will hit on them and ask them out and top them in bed. The answer? Never. Because these women are unicorns.
>>6136492
>Sure, /r9k/ and redpill will tell you that all women are terrible
And we're right desu.
https://data.desustorage.org/r9k/image/1404/31/1404313201898.jpg
>>6136605
and all men were birthed and raised by women
>>6136670
>and all men were birthed and raised by women
I don't need MORE reasons to hate women, anon.
>>6136256
No, but it will be easier to get a bf.
>>6136682
what did your mother do to hurt you anon
>>6136492
girl on the far right is cute
>>6136705
she's the one most likely to turn straight because just look at the rest of the pool.
>>6136703
Gave birth to me without my consent.
>>6136492
OP here, every straight woman I've ever met has been at best cold and distant, at worst a total bitch. My ONLY incentive to stay male is the chance of getting a gf and I really don't want to go bald and square jawed while I wait 10 years for this to happen. And then what if I get a gf and she dumps me? Back to square one. There's really no point in trying to prop up my masculinity with the slim chance of getting a gf.
When I did my OKC experiment I did indeed notice that lesbians were less attractive than straight women, but hey, better than nothing.
>>6136492
Also just because the dating pool for a straight male is larger doesn't mean it's easier. You have fuckloads of competition and simply being attractive gets you nowhere. As I said I found online dating as a lesbian much easier because so long as the boobs were big the women were willing to talk. As a man you can post 50 shots of your abs and still get zero replies.
>>6136256
>Cuttlefish mating strategy.
>>6136492
I know a really attractive, rich, outdoorsy lesbian. She only dates femmes, and is in her late 20's with no signs of going for men. Will she turn straight when her bio clock starts ticking? Just curious, what is your experience with those types?
>>6138785
I should add that she has long hair, and was prom queen.
>>6136274
Theres some truth to this, but if gets dramatically worse 5-10 years from now with no real backlash in sight, i'll just say fuck it and become a hon.
>>6136282
I've also heard theres alot of bullshit pseudo lesbians out there too.
I wonder if in the future most lesbians will be MtF and the AFAB lesbians will become FtMs.
>>6138706
Don't hate the player hate the game.
>>6138071
tfw cuttlefish mtf transbian hooks up with a TERF, TERF thinks qt lesbian is cis and invites her over
>>6138785
>>6138788
She could probably turn straight due to the following:
> continuous bad relationships with women
> bio babymaker clock has her wanting a kid
> She finds a guy so charming and qt, he charms her to take the D
> Either two of these or all three happening at the same time
women are so flexible, that whatever they say they are means nothing. It's their actions you should look at.
>>6138071
That's why homie got some tail. I doubt the queer girls he took home thought he was a girl, they were down to fuck a guy as long as he follows the queer talk and slang.
>>6138063
>>6138071
You do know there are tons of effeminate soft spoken fuck ugly guys that score long term girlfriends. It's not your masculinity, it's your personality and charm. Guys who are feminine actually have a better chance with girls because they understand them better.
You attracted nasty cold straight women, so guess what happens after the initial flirtation you get from queer women? With your personality and doubts against yourself, overtime, these queer women will get sick of you too. Your personality will attract the same women you've always attracted.
>>6136590
Holy shit this is the biggest thing I've found. No one makes any goddamn moves in lesbian community. Everyone just waits to get hit on.
>>6140425
>it's your personality and charm
Well yeah, I have autism so I'm never going to be charming. As I said this isn't my reason for transitioning but it sure is adding to the list. If you're autistic you'll have a much harder time as a male.
>>6140693
>If you're autistic you'll have a much harder time as a male.
Well shit, being a transbian sure as hell didn't help Chris Chan
Most non-autistics aren't going to stick around with a person that has autism since they don't understand the issue. Maybe you should find a girl who also has autism?
>>6136274
Not just dating. If you pass and are even moderately attractive, everything in life is easier. But a lot of bitter cis girls will hate you for being better at being a girl than they are.
>>6140736
I think about chris chan a lot because similar scenario. that guy is a nutjob and I doubt he's really trans. I have "autism" in the sense that I am awkward and have unusual interests. I'm not a full blown sonic masturbator like CWC. It's mild enough to cover up with a pretty female face I think.
>>6140771
I know right? I am astounded how some women manage to fuck up their lives. People will do things for you just because you're an attractive female. All you have to do is keep some orbiters to pamper you and boost self esteem while you pursue a career or something. But now the average woman latches on to some asshole who treats them like shit, controls them and gets them pregnant. Men have shitloads of barriers put in front of them in having to "prove themselves" and nobody helps them whereas women automatically get validated and hand held but they do nothing with this.
Sorry /r9k/ tier rant but I just really fucking hate being a man. The beard sucks, the fuckhuge feet sucks, the boring ass hairstyles suck, the coarse skin sucks and to cap it all off the social role sucks.
>>6140864
>women are too weak to do anything, let me pay for your dates and hold the door open, you pitiable creature
>thinking this is privilege
>thinking getting fucked is the key to happiness, nothing else matters
Yup, you're a delusional tranny alright. OP, I'll spell out a timeline for your next few years:
>decide women somehow have it better without actually listening to said women
>attempt to transition
>turn out ugly, get even wore shit as an ugly """"woman""""" than an ugly man
>realize that those vile cis women were right and being young, submissive and hot is the only thing that earns "special" treatment
>become camwhore or commit messy suicide (please)
>>6140902
I'm not doing this for special treatment, I am independent womyn, I just want people to lay off me with all this "be an assertive, charismatic muscular man" bullshit. Women get no pressure to have a certain personality. Men do.
>>6140864
Also, women aren't allowed to "be themselves" dumbass. If she likes clothes and make up like she's "supposed" to, she's called a superficial bitch. If she likes other things, she gets interrogated on entry and called an attention whoring slut if she gets a trivia question wrong. But what else can I expect? Your only interaction with women is through chaturbate. Lie down and die.
>>6140916
Women are expected to be deleriously happy at all times, or else she's a gloomy/frigid bitch and a buzz kill. Try again , or better yet, don't.
>>6140916
Lol and you think you're not going to get just as much pressure to be someone else as a different gender? You're not trans, just weak and shallow.
>>6140864
Now I can see why straight women want nothing to do with you. You're an /r9k/ autistic who only sees the worst behaviors or the worst women and think they have it made.
>>6140924
>>6140932
>Be in school
>Be into trains and wear ill-fitting clothes
>No friends
>Girl I knew talked about llamas all day every day and wore the most garish multicoloured MLP-tier shit you've ever seen. Literally borderline clown gear.
>Had four male orbiters, plenty female friends.
She was as weird as I was if not weirder yet she got a free pass just because she was female.
>>6140966
Was she pretty or ugly? All the fat ugly chicks I know of are forever alone even if they're smart and intelligent and have STEM jobs
>>6140941
>>6140949
I already told you I do prefer to look female
Funny the last psychiatrist I saw did exactly the same thing. Completely ignored me talking about being uncomfortable with my jaw, shoulders and rough skin, my AGP, daydreaming about being a girl and instead latched on to the other half of my reason for transitioning which is that being an autistic male is harder than being a female one. I don't see why I have to lie about this to be accepted as trans, I don't see why everyone is pretending that women don't get an easier ride socially when it's painfully obvious.
>>6140982
She looked like Helena Bonham Carter. She was fat until 16 then lost the weight and that's when she got the orbiters.
>>6141025
Why are you being an asshole to me? All I have done is point out the bleeding obvious and given it as one, ONE reason why I want to transition amongst MANY others. But you're maybe some feminazi dyke who thinks being a woman is the HARDEST THING EVER so have taken offense.
>>6136256
I found dating very easy as a Trans girl. I only like women. Even cis girls will let you sleep with them but for intimacy I've only had success with bi sexuals.
Trans now it only get worse if you wait.
>>6141060
No you dumb ass. That's an Internet forum troll. Jesus stop eating the bait they're probably giggling with laughter.
>>6141060
You're proof that trannies don't have female brains. I hope the estrogen turns you straight for men because you are creepy as fuck
>>6140995
>telling your psychiatrist you're even partially motivated by how women have it easier than men
That's a surefire way to get the psychiatrist to place you on the no hormones ever list desu. That's like the only thing they even have to look for: whether you're trying to become a girl just because you think it would be easier instead of because you have dysphoria.
It'd be like if I said I want to be prescribed painkillers, partially because I'm in pain but partially because I want to get high on them. It doesn't matter that I said I'm in pain if I'm still admitting to wanting to use them to get high. You need to pay attention to shit like that if you want to get by in normal society.
>>6141112
>You're proof that trannies don't have female brains.
Why? Is he saying things you don't think a woman would ever say? Aren't women individuals with their own unique ways of thinking and acting?
>>6141112
>creepy
Yep confirmed cis female. Doing the usual, imposing masculinity standards upon me. Any complaint about dating or socializing being hard you're immediately labeled "creepy" and "whining"
>>6141134
Confirmed cis male. Automatically thinks women have it easy even if they're fat and ugly and can only see the pretty girls who use their looks to be as shitty as possible, completely ignoring the women who don't use their looks or incapable of pulling that off. Has the belief and attitude of beta male.
>>6141118
Well she did grudgingly refer me to a gender therapist so I'll take on board what you say when I eventually meet them but I still don't see why that is a bad reason. Some have of course argued you shouldn't even need a reason to transition, it's your body, you're of sound mind, you do whatever you think is best for yourself.
>It'd be like if I said I want to be prescribed painkillers, partially because I'm in pain but partially because I want to get high on them
That's different, that's being irresponsible and doing it for the lolz. Transitioning because you feel it will help you get along better in society is more like saying you want to transition because you have micropenis. In that case nobody is going to deny that your life as a man will suck balls. In fact transitions because of micropenis was one of the first reasons for doing SRS therefore proving that failure to integrate in society as male is a valid reason for transitioning. The problem with it was it was done on babies without their consent and you never know they could prefer to stay male even though they are handicapped. My case is akin to making your own adult decision that your current genitals will never make you a proper man and you are perfectly happy to live as a woman so you tell your doctor that's what you want.
If I didn't want to be a woman I wouldn't do this no matter how much of a social failure I was. This is the point that some in this thread are missing. I am not doing it out of desperation like that bitch who called me "creepy" things, it's more of a "kill two birds in one stone" solution because I prefer to be a woman anyway.
>>6141145
Oh so you're fat and bitter. How hard is it to lose weight?
>>6141239
I'm not fat or bitter and I don't use my looks to collect beta orbiters like how you trannies seem to want to do. But you guys are convinced that all women do shitty underhanded things so go fuck yourselves.
>>6141239
Lmao OP, unless you can already pass for a cute girl, you're statistically unlikely to get that coveted '''''''female privilege'''''' you're looking for.
If you're trans then transition, but the grass is not greener on this side...
>>6141295
It certainly is, I came out to my parents and have started HRT and I've gone from depressed shut-in to happy optimistic person. Of course there's the bigots but all I can do is try my best to pass and stay unnoticed and hope for the best. We're all gonna make it.
>>6141112
>female brains.
>believing that the small amount of sexual dimorphism in human brains has any effect on behavior
>>6141328
Relieving dysphoria is great, but don't expect life as a woman to be all cupcakes and butterflies. Being a woman means there's always going to be some kind of spotlight on you. For better or, in many cases, worse.
>>6141386
>Being a woman means there's always going to be some kind of spotlight on you.
Can't you just transition into a shy librarian lady?
>p-pls be gentle anon, my only experience with love making is reading about it in books...
>>6140995
This is why no one likes transbians, you're all woman-hating, moronic shitstains.
>>6141180
>My case is akin to making your own adult decision that your current genitals will never make you a proper man and you are perfectly happy to live as a woman so you tell your doctor that's what you want.
You're gonna end up detransitioning when the reality of being a trans woman doesn't match up to your r9k fantasy that life as a woman is all roses. You'll be held up as the next Walt Heyer and used as evidence that all trans people are mentally ill fetishists. Or, God forbid, you'll spread your creepy fantasy story far and wide and they'll use it anyways.
Thanks in advance, fuckface.
t. non retarded mtf
>>6141903
>implying most MTFs aren't creeps like OP
Lots of you hate women, this guy really isn't different.
>>6141916
>tfw I'll probably end up as one of those self hating trans women who post on TERF boards and identify as MtT
>>6136256
>mtf
>looking for lesbian girls
not gonna work
>>6141847
Omfg i dont hate women where did I say that?
>>6141903
I never said it was all roses either i said its less stressful if you are autistic. Less stressful=/=not stressful.
Instead of putting words in my mouth and throwing insults at me please clearly explain why my pragmatic secondary reason for transitioning somehow completely negates my primary dysphoria based reason for doing it?
>>6142668
Im fine with other transgenders too.
>>6143664
>Omfg i dont hate women where did I say that?
Saying blatantly that all women are stringing men along - which is what the whole "orbiters" thing is - and that we are deceptive, and that we get what we want via fucking dudes is misogyny, transbian. It's a very obvious dismissal of the reality of what women go through and it paints us as evil liars.
NOT surprised, though. Like I said here >>6141916, MTFs regularly hate women.
>>6141943
>implying most of them don't do that just for show and irl they call themselves women and go stealth or renounce everything and delete their blogs after 6 months because they never get enough validation for it
>>6143737
first of all i gave one examle of a woman with orbiters. One doesnt speak for all women. Second of all i never said she was stringing them along, they started orbiting her, shes a nice girl, we were friends for the whole of school. Not close but she was nice to me. I guess I was an orbiter too and she never ever used me.
You have for some reason conflated the specific observation that women can fall back on their looks if they are an autist with all women use their looks to manipulate people.
>>6143792
When you say "women can fall back on their looks" you do mean all women, even if you put a condition like "if they are an autist," bro. It's also a very common misogynist idea that women can fuck their way to the top of a career track, or can flirt and get free things, or whatever. You adding some other minor thing to that does not change the misogynist nature of the sentiment.
>>6143961
>It's also a very common misogynist idea that women can fuck their way to the top of a career track, or can flirt and get free things, or whatever.
There's truth to that, though.
>>6143737
>or renounce everything and delete their blogs after 6 months because they never get enough validation for it
Validation? Maybe they were just tired of being self hating shitstains and decided to prioritize self preservation. Hate takes a lot of energy and going out of your way to make other people feel like garbage takes its toll eventually.
t. former trans terf
>>6143961
>It's also a very common misogynist idea that women can fuck their way to the top of a career track, or can flirt and get free things, or whatever.
Yeah that totally never happens. Look, things aren't all roses for women in the least, but lying about this just makes you look dishonest and diminishes your point immensely.
>>6143961
>It's also a very common misogynist idea that women can fuck their way to the top of a career track, or can flirt and get free things, or whatever.
By "misogynistic" do you mean "accurate?"
