>AGP questions and answers
>Thoughts and feelings / emotions
>Help, advice, guidance
>Be cozy and chill out
>What is AGP?
Autogynephilia, from Greek αὐτό- ("self"), γυνή ("woman") and φιλία ("love")
Broadly, sexual or nonsexual arousal to the thought of oneself as a woman
>AGP is discredited and doesn't real!
No, you might be thinking of Blanchard's typology, which includes the idea of AGP. Regardless of whether or not you agree with Blanchard's ideas, AGP is very real to the people who experience it.
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>>6036916
AGP's just denial right?
>>6114488
not unless dirty fetishists are "Tru"ely trans ;^)
>>6114497
how many people here have actually transitioned?
do you all look like hons?
>>6114499
Take these results how you want I guess, they were from the other thread
http://poal.me/kd2jf5
http://poal.me/3aq0hs
Nothing inherent to agps that would mean they're hons, unless you would say those that transition do so at older ages on average than trutrans
>>6114499
i'm taking hormones myself, but it just makes me horny. i don't plan on transitioning
>>6117247
>i'm taking hormones
>i don't plan on transitioning
Go on..
>>6117254
what is there to go on about?
>>6117315
how long have you been taking hormones? no results yet?
>>6117382
6mos
some results yeah, but i'm obviously not those people who already look like girls beforehand so it's not like i have to "come out" and transition or anything
>>6117411
what about the non-hormone stuff, have you done any of that? grooming, clothing, etc.
>>6117420
i mean, i had let my hair grow out beforehand. other than that no. i wear mens' clothing, have a masculine personality, etc.
>>6117481
so whats your game plan then? just keep taking hormones forever?
>>6117492
until i can make myself stop
>>6117590
you don't wanna be a pretty lady?
>>6117602
of course i do, that's the disease of agp. but i don't want to [want to], and i can't be
>>6117617
why not be a femboy?
>>6117686
because that requires you to be fem
>>6117714
ok. sorry for all these posts anon i hope im not annoying you
>>6117731
no it's nice to have someone to talk to x_x
>>6114482
AUTISM
GENOME
PROJECT
>>6114482
You know you're just a transwoman who's trying to put off dealing with her condition, right?
>>6118913
That post makes my peepee tingle
>living life normally, everything is fine
>attracted mostly to women
>suddenly a wave of AGP comes over me
>spend the next days feeling like shit because I will never be a girl
>also overcome with unsuitable cocklust at the same time
fuck this tbqh familia
worst fetish EU
I felt kind of similar to anon who's taking hormones and doesn't want to be a grill for a long time. It finally dawned on me after years of repressing that I'm a girl. Just started taking hormones a couple months ago and feel better about everything than I ever have. Anon stop repressing imo. Come to the other side!
>>6120219
I'm unpassable tho
>>6120219
Bet you aren't 6'+ and manskull ;^}
>>6119851
>get maximum depressed
>libido drops
>AGP goes away
...
>you are cured!
I had no idea there was a name for this. I would always get off to imagining myself as a woman but still only fapped to women. recently ive wanted to suck and get fucked by cocks but im not really into men. what does this mean?
>>6120900
Autogynephilic bisexuality, your only into men because it makes you feel like a woman. Your not truly attracted to men like gay guys or ciswomen.
Youll probably notice your much less repulsed by young androgynous looking men. Whereas a older, fat, hairy, masculine sorta man is totally gross.
>>6121054
Hey thats me.
>>6121054
I feel like a lot of cis women have this too to some extent, you know all those studies where women are more turned on by other women when its just a pure visual thing.
>>6114488
yes. for me it started at 12 when someone told me this whole "wanting to be a girl" thing would blow over once I got a girlfriend, and I basically believed that until I was about 22
why did they try to tell me that?
>>6121164
What the fuck is wrong with you? A guy who thinks hes a girl is just insanity, especially to a normie. You're lucky you weren't murdered.
>>6121054
>Whereas a older, fat, hairy, masculine sorta man is totally gross.
Is anyone actually like this?
I've heard this sentiment from "im straight but like traps" faggots on 4chan but as far as I know AGPs do like bigger, more masculine guys because it makes them feel more feminine in comparison
At least that's how it is for me, I don't really wanna have sex with another femboy, especially if they are more fem than me which would make me jealous
>>6121054
omg this is exactly it! Thank you friend now I feel more comfortable with myself
>>6121205
I can't really tell for sure cus I haven't fucked any guys yet but I don't like hairy old men afaik. I kinda wanted to suck off my androgynous friend tho
>>6121205
I'm not attracted to those kind of guys directly, but I like the idea of bottoming for them since it plays into the whole feeling dominated thing, really they're just props in my fantasies. Femboys I actually have romantic attraction for.
masc x masc = gross
fem x masc = hot
fem x fem = okay
>>6121233
this
I tried gay porn and the only ones that were kinda hot for me were the fem x fem/masc
still prefer straight porn cus I wanna be the girl
>>6121164
Describe your relationship with them. How long had they known you? How big was the age difference between the two of you? What was the context of when you told him? What would you do if you met him today?
Maybe they believed it themselves and he didn't want you to think you're a freak over something he thought you would get over. Maybe that's what they wanted to believe because they were the same.
>>6121176
>murdering a 12 year old because they told you they want to be a girl
That would be barbarism, senpai. Especially when boys are even more small and delicate than girls are at that age.
>>6121233
That's kinda how I felt at first, and then I actually experienced sex with masculine guys and it became my favorite, including romantic attraction
>masc x masc = gross
>fem x masc = hot
>fem x fem = okay
I approve of this listing
>>6121252
>and then I actually experienced sex with masculine guys and it became my favorite, including romantic attraction
tfw this is slowly happening to me too, agp you crazy
>>6121252
I hope I never change, at least I can retain a bit of dignity if I top feminine guys only. Also since I'm not attarcted to normal/masc guys I feel pretty much straight as long as I'm away from my computer, I wonder if I would even like feminine guys if I met one in person.
>>6121280
Give in to the dicking, famalam.
>>6121306
I refuse. If I can just get through life without ever having another mans dick in my butt I'll be ok.
>>6121352
What if you start wanting it though? Then you wouldn't be ok not having a guy to thrust into you.
>>6121414
Its not like I don't fantasize about it, I just can't get past the whole not attracted to guys thing.
>>6121422
Give it a few months on hormones.
>>6121446
>hormones
Never. I love being a man, I love my dick. Gay? Maybe. Trans? No way.
>>6121514
>Progress report
>Tranny #307,856,643 still hasn't figured it out yet
>>6121568
What makes you so sure? I think you're projecting.
>>6121568
boring joke is boring
>>6121625
>people here saying they have dysphoria but dismiss it because they think a fetish can cause dysphoria
>reason for not transitioning is "but I won't pass"
>many mtfs describe having AGP like behavior (which in many cases goes away while transitioning) but still are satisfied with transitioning
>>6121776
Well that's not me. No dysphoria.
>>6121785
so why you here m8?
>>6121414
tfw I want it but too ashamed and anxious to hook up with guys
>>6121794
On a very basic level I can relate to these guys, Im just not crazy enough to think im a woman.
>>6121857
We're not crazy enough to think that either, we just realize we have dysphoria and HRT is a way to alleviate that. A lot of us continue to identify as male but present more feminine because that's what we prefer.
>>6121794
i think youre lost, man. this is a thread for agp, not dysphoria, although some people here do have dysphoria
>>6122113
no I mean like, what's the issue from having AGP? What brings you to a support thread
>>6118891
ENOME
UTISM
ROJECT
OPENLY
PLEASES
EUROLOGISTS
Here's a thing I feel a lot of people don't understand about AG. I am so completely and utterly obsessed with it that I can't even imagine myself having sex or being in a relationship as a man. At the same time the thought of myself as a woman has a good chance of turning me on all by itself. I've always been like this. I've had thoughts like this before I got boners.
This is weird to say but I am somewhat jealous of trans people because they at least have somewhere they want to get to. I "want" to be a woman but to be quite honest a woman is not turned out by the thought of being a woman. Transitioning probably won't make me happier. There is no solution.
>>6123136
You should see a gender therapist.
>>6123185
Well, seeing a therapist is never a bad idea but I seriously doubt It'd result in anything. If you go stiff half of the time when thinking of such things you're probably in it for the wanking.
>>6123208
I don't wanna push you into anything but your post has a few red flags.
>>6123136
>a woman is not turned out by the thought of being a woman
Are they turned on by the thought of being a man then? You realize in women's sexual fantasies they are women, right? That means they get turned on at the thought of being a woman in a sexual situation.
A lot of trans people start like you, but once on hrt, without testosterone pumping in their veins they realize t was not a fetish, but just a way for them to be closer to who they really are.
>>6121054
fuck, so real
who /agpsoevolvedthatyoufindmenattractivenow/ here?
>>6122307
I didn't even know it was this big of a deal, I always thought I was just a super repressed homo or porn fucked me up.
>>6124611
in a sort of meta way, yeah. not like,
>oh man that guy's so fucking hot
more like
>oh damn look i'm getting fucked so hard
(not like this is in reality of course, all fantasy)
>>6124788
>not like this is in reality of course
Give it about a year, anon, you'll get there.
>>6124774
Talk to me about it anon. How does it affect you?
>tfw jealous of women in porn
>tfw jealous of women on tv/movies
>tfw jealous of women irl
>tfw
>>6124849
I said its not a big deal, as long as I'm not playing with my willy I feel just fine. The only problem is the confusion over my sexuality. I can spend all night fapping to thought of being feminized and raped by men, but when I go outside I'm only attracted to woman.
>>6125121
How do you deal with it now that you know what it's called?
>>6125206
So much of it is associated with my porn use and masturbation, I feel like if I get that under control then I will be okay.
I feel like porn is the major factor that led me down this path. I can still remember the first time I ever self inserted as the girl and how it made me feel.
>>6125304
What kind of porn? Normal porn? TG/TF stuff?
if you are no mones, how do you explain turning into feminine fag to your parents? even worse when you dont live together and see them once in half a year - all the changes would really stand out
obviously you arent going to 'come out'
>yeah Im taking pills cause I have a fetish and want to be a girl
>>6125708
i don't have to worry about that because I'm so masc that whoremoans without therapy won't do anything for me tbhon ;^)
>>6125834
*without surgery I mean
>>6121164
I was rail roaded by people who deserve death for their ignorance the same anon. Age 24 only now free to do my questioning thank smart people for the Internet
>>6125708
loool we'll see. fuck, they haven't seen me in 5 months, hormones the whole time. at least i'm too masculine to actually look like a girl ;^)
I'm a dude who likes women exclusively. Or so I tell myself. I can imagine sucking cock online with 3 women doing so with me. I was seeing a gender councilor until he started trying to offer me a thousand dollars for a blowjob.
So like should I ruin my chances of ever finding sex and love and just become a woman? And by that I mean a grotesque middle sex tranny
>>6125898
Have you ever been in a long term relationship?
>>6125898
>a thousand dollars for a blowjob.
why didn't you do it?
>>6125898
>I was seeing a gender councilor until he started trying to offer me a thousand dollars for a blowjob.
That's fucking creepy that a gender councilor would do that.
i wanna be a girl u guys ;___;
>>6123889
>but just a way for them to be closer to who they really are.
>who they really are.
How do you know it's not a societal confirmation bias?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXj5iIrC5q8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRDOoAFBp_
To what extent is AGP a purely biological thing or a psychological thing? Like, when I was a little kid I was definitely curious about what it was like to not be a boy and when I got around to starting puberty and found out about transgenderism I would read up on stuff about it and see pictures of people like Caroline Cossey or Roberta Close and get off on imagining being them. Is it possible that if I didn't learn about that stuff until my later teens I wouldn't be AGP or was I doomed from the start?
>>6125978
Nothing that was ever emotionally fulfilling or serious in any real capacity, but I am capable of normal relations. Just been playing the boyfriend and it doesn't work for obvious reasons.
>>6126050
Yeah, you're telling me. It was increasingly weird for 5 sessions until finally I just was like idk wtf I'm doing so I went basically said it was the last session he wasn't even helping and then he was hella creepy after that like dude... I'm not a new piece of ass because I dyed my hair.
>>6125982
I already make more than enough regime currency via the Internet and I don't like penis.
>>6126167
damn, i wonder what it's like to have internet when you're that young
>>6126167
You sound like you're trans.
>>6123889
This. This this this. I felt super agp ever since I could remember. I finally could no longer turn it off like I used to. Weird thing is, I was and still am only into women or mtf. Just another transbian, I guess. Chaser gone too far? Probably. A grill? Absolutely.
all the trannies in here try to make me feel bad about my body when I don't. I just wanna suck cock and feel like a girl during sex
>>6127678
Okay good for you but I do feel bad about my body.
>>6126181
Try getting a new counselor
>tfw living in a second-world country with no therapists worth shit
>most people outright hate queers
>>6114482
Do you all think this Youtuber is AGP? I have a feeling he is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI87jbm-DG0
>>6126186
Not that anon, but I got the internet back in 2003 or 2004 as an 8 or 9 year old. There was a period where I tried to use it as little as possible which ended maybe in 2007. At some point I read about some show girl club of transgender performers somewhere in the 1920s-60s. It might have been French, I'm not sure if it was Le Carrousel. When SRS was invented, some of the girls would have mutually agreed upon short, sexual relationships with rich clients, who would pay for SRS in return. I also read an article on a WWII vet if I recall correctly who only started transitioning after their wife died. I read another article on another vet who performed SRS on themselves in the bathroom while their wife was watching TV downstairs. When they were done and bleeding to death, they called the ambulance, and surprisingly, the doctors apparently told her she did it pretty much exactly the way they would do it. At 13 I read an article about Kim Petras, a German trans girl who was 16 at the time and started transition early. I'm not sure when I first heard of Jazz Jennings, but I read some articles on young trans kids. I looked up things on how the Catholic church viewed trans people too.
Unfortunately, my dad had already made me repress by that point, so I was thinking, "I'm not like those trannies." Maybe if I hadn't avoided using the internet during that period I would have found out enough about trans people to know I was one before my dad fucked my psyche up (well, it was already fucked up in different ways to begin with, but you know what I mean). Particularly if I had read this http://www.avitale.com/developmentalreview.htm
>>6129475
>vet who performed SRS on themselves in the bathroom while their wife was watching TV downstairs. When they were done and bleeding to death, they called the ambulance, and surprisingly, the doctors apparently told her she did it pretty much exactly the way they would do it.
>tfw agp won't go away
suicide soon
>>6129612
Pretty sure that wasn't the only person I read about that performed SRS on themselves, but I can't remember. She was actually down in the living room with her wife watching TV too. Then she said she was going to do something in the bathroom, so she got up and went to the second floor bathroom to start. She then locked the door and started.
>>6129738
>transition soon
FTFY, fammy.
>>6129795
nope
i already have everything I need almost
just have to go buy some 3" rifled slugs for my shotgun and pick a day to drive somewhere and do it
>>6129282
idk but if i were a fat feminist i would probably be pretty upset at his video
why do you think he's agp
>>6129904
Well he always plays female characters, except the times he's shown off male armor mods. His followers are also usually female.
The way he covered this mod was kind of suspect, though you could see it as him just trying to be funny.
https://youtu.be/kZvwu4wLbdc?t=3m5s
>>6129998
idk..i feel like he just seems like kind of a weird dude
>>6130115
>seems like kind of a weird dude
>implying agps aren't weird dudes
>>6130194
lol you have me there... i mean a weird dude and nothing more
>>6129901
Don't kill yourself anon, that's not fair to your future chaser bf.
How does this picture make you feel AGPg?
>>6129901
You should at least try popping titty skittles for a while before you kill yourself, anon.
>>6130257
>tfw I always worry I'll be leaving some cute chaser alone when I start thinking about killing myself
>tfw probably too ugly anyway so his hand would be just as good
>>6130312
it's always been kind of a hot picture, although i don't like the whole locked under the bed thing. i'm too tall for that to be comfortable ;^)
>>6130115
Yeah, he does seem weird.
>>6130312
I probably should try hormones. I don't want to kill myself very badly anymore. I just have episodes where it gets really bad and I start making plans or getting strong urges to do it.
Now it's back to being a passive "I wish i was dead'.
I wish I wasn't mentally ill like this.
>>6130767
Gender dysphoria is a tough, anon. Lots of people have tried to beat it on their own.
>>6130767
i feel ya, man. depression is rough. it usually doesnt last forever tho. as long as you keep movin and not staying the same
>>6130767
be careful because you might end up getting hooked
but i guess if you're thinking of suicide anyway fuck it
>>6126192
But I don't just think wow that must be nice, I always can't help but get really horny too. How can I know whether or not it really is just a fetish?
>>6130955
I would say it's not "just a fetish" because cis people aren't usually thinking of being the opposite gender a lot when they're young before puberty, aren't drawn to trans stories growing up, and aren't aroused by the thought of being the opposite sex. The arousal part makes it confusing because we only hear about People Who Always Knew They Were A Woman Trapped In A Man's Body and meanwhile we were fapping to that idea and then feeling shameful. I think it's just because "people with AGP" usually don't ever let themselves really think about being the opposite gender except during masturbation/sex, so the two get linked.
If you're sad that you can't grow up as a girl, have a normal girl life, sounds trans. Also, reading that it's totally normal for people to be confused and questioning a lot. Also, seeing the question "is it just a fetish" pop up again and again in places like /r/AskTransgender
It's complicated, but therapy can help you figure it out. But only you can answer that question for yourself
>>6131159
>If you're sad that you can't grow up as a girl
That's the thing though I've never been seriously depressed over the fact that I wasn't born a girl. Do I think it'd be great if I was born one? In some ways yeah, I think I would've done better as a girl. However, at the same time, I'm not thinking about suicide due to the fact that I have a dick. I'm certainly unhappy a lot of the time but that doesn't have to do with me being a guy. If someone came up and told me that I'd live the rest of my life as a guy I might feel a little disappointed at most but, in the end, I could easily live without.
>>6131193
live with it I mean
>>6131193
Right, that's what held me back for a long time. Like, I was reasonably functional as a guy.. Shouldn't I be like a depressed puddle of sadness? But it affects everybody differently. Like I was reasonably successful as a guy, until I started not to be. and I think it was related to the gender thing, like it just kinda spread from there and sapped other parts of my life.
>>6131239
>Like I was reasonably successful as a guy, until I started not to be.
>>6131326
Luckily it happened while I was still young and not a 40 year old married father..
>>6121205
>Is anyone actually like this?
I am, sorta. I make exceptions for really good looking older guys, but most masc dudes are gross. Doubly so if fat, but I hate fat fucks in general. I like androgynous guys, femboys and traps primarily. Not into real women either.
>As far as I know AGPs do like bigger, more masculine guys because it makes them feel more feminine in comparison
I like the size difference, but its not a deal breaker if a guy is smaller than me too. It is nice sometimes to be fucked by a guy who you know could do whatever he wanted with you, with no chance of fighting back.
>have a dream where I run into an old FTM friend
>he makes moves on me and tells me he wants to make me "his girl"
aaaaAAAAAAAAA
>>6129998
The level of involvement he has with his female characters certainly seems to indicate as much. There's a definite but subtle difference between being attracted to a girl and manipulating her as if you were her.
>>6131239
>Like I was reasonably successful as a guy, until I started not to be.
What did you mean by this?
>>6131778
depression
Work took a big hit
Porn/AGP took up more and more of my free time
Social isolation
Drank a lot more alcohol
>>6131800
I mean more like, in what ways did you notice you weren't doing so well as being a guy?
>>6131816
Maybe I misworded it, I didn't start bring gender non conforming if that's the impression you had.
I meant like I was being a guy and having a successful life, and then the success melted away, and I started feeling more and more dysphoria.
Like when noticing an attractive woman in public, instead of just noticing and moving on, I'd feel envy, jealousy, a bit of sadness.
Whenever my female friends would say stuff like, "oh you're a guy, you wouldn't understand", I'd feel a bit sad.
I was even conscious of those things, but I dismissed it as AGP
Guys get a grip.
For myself since 12 i preferred to fantasize of being a 100% girl... NEVER something in between.
Looking at girls always meant how great is to be in the same situation. . .
But now having 28 y i get only satisfaction to teaching my gf into total submission and I'm happy i didn't cut myself totally cose of this fact.
>>6131910
>dominant
are you even agp
>>6131912
I haven't started hormones yet, but I've accepted that I'm probably trans and that it's not just a fetish. One good thing is that a lot of those negative coping behaviors (e.g. frequent AGP masturbation) are gone, because I'm not repressing all the time, and getting used to the idea makes it less 'sexy'.
sometimes I'll just be like, "what am I thinking, this is crazy". But 99% of the time I'm sure.
>>6131939
Training into submission =/= dominance.
Just making her do more and more silly & embarrassing stuff.
Crossdress.
>>6131956
How do you start accepting it?
I can't even say the word transgender out loud. It makes me cringe.
>>6131999
Its difficult. It gets easier with time. The 5 stages of grief are relevant here. Goodbye to being cis..
>>6131999
i was like that too. fuck. it was really hard to say that. it still is. i still feel like everything is surreal, i really don't believe it would be me. the first time i took shrooms i almost said it, it was also the first time i even seriously considered it. the second time....fuck. i just looked at myself and saw something was seriously different. but still it's not easy. idk what to tell you really
>>6132043
I mean. I sort of know and don't know.
I don't want to be transgendered but I'm pretty sure I am.
I don't want to try to get hormones or anything though. I mean I do but it's a lot less scary to just ignore it and have periods where I'm suicidal and lay around crying and feeling bad rather than do something scary like pursue transition.
To try to avoid any neurological/ psychological effects from the HRT, would it be best to try to select a SERM and AA that does not readily pass through the blood-brain barrier?
>>6132423
i think the idea is the cycle the SERM with estrogen, otherwise you will probably lose out on most of the feminizing effects and still end up with the negatives of a permanent AA
>>6132456
I just need some estrogen receptor agonise that will produce at least some feminizing effects (i.e. I am fine without growing breasts) and will not readily pass through the blood-brain barrier.
>>6132564
serm+estrogen cycle and bicalutamide is probably for you then. the first part isn't extensively tested though so you're kind of on your own
>>6132088
You don't have to do anything you don't want to. Some people decide not to transition.
>>6133476
Be honest though, who actually respects those people?
By saying you're trans but not transitioning, you're basically saying "I never want society to take me seriously again" while also saying "I want the trans community to completely reject me as a fetishist forever."
A trans person who doesn't transition has no friends. I think that's why a lot of us don't want to make a call on being AGP. Better to just be "questioning."
>>6133955
Oh, I was thinking more along the lines of people who realize it, maybe get therapy, but never come out or anything.
>>6133476
I want to though I'm just too scared.
And I don't know how I'll live the rest of my life if I don't, or if I even will.
It's hard to do anything when there is nothing to look forward to or take pleasure in. It's like being a robot.
This is my life story, its AGP as fuck but also kinda trans.
>Be me
>No memory of wanting to be a girl as a child. Wasn't very athletic, shy and unconfident, had guy friends, strong imagination, loved video games.
>Develop AGP around 10-11 when puberty begins. Would read porno mags and fap to the
idea of being a lesbian.
>Later developed transvestic fetishism.
>Would start to self insert as the female when viewing porn. Find CD/Sissy/Tranny stuff erotic.
>During puberty very depressed, unconfident, awkward, anxious, and introverted. Have a few friends but am a loner.
>Drop out of highschool and become a neet. Very isolated and into computers.
>Get first job no longer a neet. Kinda shy and awkward but alot more functional.
>Really wish I could crossdress but terrified of social rejection.
>Time goes by start to desire to be female but dont identify as a woman. Develop physical dysphoria. Grow my hair out to look more like a girl, Would look into the mirror and could almost see a woman. Start experimenting with shaving body hair, feel feminine inside.
>Am unemployed for awhile, decide to man up. Accept myself as having a femme fetish
that im gonna purge.
>Transness recedes and start to feel more masculine, but also feel more angrier and depressed sometimes.
>Still have AGP sometimes. Learn more about transgenderism through seeing it mocked
and criticised.
>Is early 2015. Have a dysphoria panic attack and realise what I've been suppressing. Wish I could of been female.
>Feel very dysphoric, start reading r/asktransgender, intrigued by HRT, impressed
by some timelines.
>Decide not to transition cuz AGP is stupid fetish, too old, too masculine, trans will ruin my life. As a coping mechanism I try to be chill and accept my inner woman.
>Have moderate dysphoria now. Somedays feel depressed. Smoking weed errday seems to help. Still AGP, feel awkward about being male, still would of liked to be a female. Strongly suspect im trans. Currently 32.
>>6132423
You cant avoid it, hormones have significant psychological effects.
Technically you should be better on bica or gnrh blocker than cypro/spiro - since they affect too much stuff and are known to cause depression.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyproterone_acetate#Depression
Estrogen effects are complex, it can lower depression but rise anxiety. SERM alone wont make you any fem
>>6134267
>tfw wondering how ex-bf will turn out
>>6134402
What ex-bf?
>>6134253
I get you, anon. But sometimes you gotta push past the fear and take the next step. Just remember that you're not alone.
>You'll never have hips like these
http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout4/mods/8469
Who ugly as fuck here?
Ugly chubster here, I will never pass..
>>6137500
lose weight then fatass
>>6137573
Even if I did; manjaw, broad shoulders, receeding hairline. I have become hon.
>>6137601
ffs, probably shrink when you lose weight, finasteride
>>6137500
Ya I'm kinda shocked at how many trans girls are waifishly thin while Ive always been obese or overweight.
I do have a thick bone structure so I'm not a total blimp. But it does discourage me from experimenting with crossdressing or even HRT. At least all this testosterone exposure has dropped my bodyfat % over time..
Oh and I appear to have cellulite too. I've seen retards claim thats a female secondary sex characteristic so lol?
>tfw when even with testosterone your endomorphic and terrified of estrogen making you into a landwhale
>>6139119
Can't you just stop eating so much? What is even the appeal to food, eating is an annoying chore you're forced to do to keep from dying.
>>6139243
>What is even the appeal to food, eating is an annoying chore you're forced to do to keep from dying.
t. someone who's never had delicious food
That being said, just get some self-control and stop gorging yourself. Losing weight is like 90% diet, not exercise.
>>6137500
I used to be goodlooking when I was young. Now I look like shit, all masc and unhealthy and broken nose as a bonus.
>tfw people who haven't seen you for years wonder if you have drug addiction
>>6139256
>delicious food
Even the best tasting food in the world isn't anywhere close to capable of making you feel as good as painkillers, benzos, or weed. Food at best is a low tier drug where you have to chew up and ingest large quantities of dead animal flesh and plant matter and let it sit in your stomach and make you feel bloated and disgusting just to get the weak high to work.
Anyone else here thought AGP is some kind of satanic temptation?
>>6139299
It really depends on your state. I have pretty low blood pressure and I'll skip a few meals without noticing it, when I eat I can feel my body turning on as I go and it's better than a lot of stimulants.
Food also works better with keeping the high than weed, you can eat many times a day and it will make you feel good most of them while usually weed doesn't really hit as much as the first toke in the day.
>>6139730
Could you elaborate?
>>6139730
>[urge ro fedora intensifies]
>>6139752
I had religious phase. And interpreted agp urges as satanic temptation. So agp has religious meaning for me.
>>6139868
I was also very religious as a kid, so it's a possibility, but I don't quite remember.
What about using mindfulness-based approach to sexuality and treat agp?
Also physical workout helps to produce natural happiness hormone and reduce fetish addiction.
>>6139920
Nah I took up weightlifting and running religiously, didn't work. You will look more masculine as a result though.
to ladymone or not to ladymone
biggest agp dilemma
>>6142267
Second biggest which comes after correctly resolving that one is "Now should I have him fuck me on the first date or the third? I don't want to look too easy, but I really want that dick."
>>6142312
that sounds like a regular woman's dilemma anon
>>6134267
Babe, you're young. Do it before 40 and accept that you'll never be 19 and hot but that doesn't mean you can't be late to the cocktail party. Talk to a specialist and figure it out.
>>6142339
But of course, anon. That's what an AGP is.
>>6142312
nice meme
Anyone here has behavioural AGP? I feel pretty alone with this weird fetish. Im not even into having a female body, it's mostly just doing feminine things or being socially perceived as feminine what turns me on. I guess i also get off to looking feminine but only if it's externally, like if i look hot crossdressing, but the focus is never on the anatomy of a girl, except maybe for having a girly face.
Anyone with similar tendencies here?
>>6142819
that sounds rough. i guess i'm glad i at least "only" have physical AGP
>dont remember having any agp thoughts when I was younger
>started coming on strong when I was 14
>fantasized about having tits, interested in being a girl
and acting girly
>start repressing my thoughts because my religious parents would never accept it
>put myself so hard into the closet I ended up going through the wall
>started lifting, acted like a tough guy, anger issues, afraid of even being slightly out of the norm
>one day in high school I had a dream about acting feminine/being a girl
>hit me hard
>thoughts come roaring back at me
>for the past few years my life has been a constant back and forth with me convincing myself I want to be a manly man and me wishing I could just be accepted for who I am
>tonight after several weeks of trying to convince myself I'm a manly man the feelings come back
I hate this
>>6142948
What do you think you'll do, anonette?
>>6142974
>anonette
The fact that this gave me a warm tingly feeling inside doesn't make this any better
>What do you think you'll do
That's the worst part: I have no fucking clue. I feel like I'm stuck in a limbo where every choice I make is a lose-lose scenario and that when I do figure out the right choice I'll be way too late to change it. I don't really have the funds for hormones and even if I did I have no idea if I'd go through with it. There are genuine times where I enjoy being a guy but there's always this looming feeling about being a girl in the back of my mind and I'm wondering if years of repression made me convince myself I was completely okay with being a man. I actually broke down to my therapist when I told her how I wanted to be feminine when I was younger. I feel like I'm in a never ending maze where every time I feel like I'm getting close to a conclusion I always end up being lost again.
>>6143078
I remember when I called some most likely repressed tranny /pol/ poster memeing about gender dysphoria being a mental illness "Miss" and he responded back "M-miss"? With no response to the rest of my points.
>>6143242
looool
but...i don't really see how gender dysphoria isn't a mental illness
>>6143298
ehh it's not really it's more like a mind body disadjustment illness. The body is fine, the brain is fine, they just happen to be placed wrongly. Kinda hard to put a label on that shit, hence why most people just end up calling it a mental illness. I'd say it's a medical disorder, but that's still vague. idk
>>6143307
...it seems like you can normalize whatever you want like that then. everything's fine except the parts where it's not fine
>>6142835
idk physical agp sucks too, i pretty much need srs at this point
>>6143298
It's a physical deformity, a genetic condition which causes a male pattern body to develop for a female. Its really that simple. You all should learn about it since this entire thread is suffering from it.
>>6145882
>I need srs but Im totally not trans, guys!
>Im totally mutilating my genitals, the things that give me sexual urges in the first place, for a sexual fetish and nothing else.
>My feelings definitely will not change once I have a vagina, totally still just AGP.
>>6145904
didn't say i'm not trans and ive been on hormones forever
still doesnt make the thought of having a vag/not having a dick less arousing
This pitty circlejerk is good for nothing, I'm going to take one for the team and transition
>>6114482
Who is that?
>>6147182
that image has been floating around the internet for years
>>6147127
Another success.
>>6147182
no idea, all i know is that i would sacrifice a thousand children if it meant i could be her
>>6114482
So according to this HSTS trans woman, trutrans/HSTS are generally average IQ with normal numbers of people who score above and below that while AGPs tend to sit around 120 IQ. What do you all think of that? https://sillyolme.wordpress.com/2010/04/06/smarter-than-the-average-bear/
>>6147994
well judging by some of shit i hear trutrans say i'm not surprised...
>>6145897
I'm new, so are most here trans?
>>6148005
Like what? Tell me everything you remember.
>>6147994
>>So according to this HSTS trans woman
>Trusting a hon that is a known liar
kek
>>6148039
She does throw shade non-stop, and while some of her points are well reasoned others seemed somewhat paranoid and twisted.
>>6148039
it's a paper not just the ramblings of some hon
The real face of the dude behind sillyolme. He's not even trutrans by the original definition. Just some ugly old STEMite hon who thinks he's better than other hons and can latch onto the trutrans narrative. He has no credentials on anything psychology related. If you want to argue from a study thats fine, but otherwise some random blog full of the batshit ramblings of an old man means nothing.
>>6148091
of an old hon*
>>6148091
>tfw you're a joke because you're unattractive
>>6148091
designs oled screens, seeks sex with young trans women. no, not "hsts" except accidentally
>>6148132
>designs oled screens, seeks sex with young trans women. no, not "hsts" except accidentally
I mean two males having sex is still technically homosexual but he's also a massive creep so... Point is, don't trust every blog you come across because it validates your view on something. Especially when it involves hons.
>>6147994
perverts have high IQ, fact
>therapist keeps telling you to go to a trans support group
>>6148091
Wow, he has some bad fetal alcohol syndrome going on.
Urgghhhjhh i hate agp so much God its so fucked up I fucking hate it hate it hate it fuck
>>6147994
My theory is that AGPs with higher IQs have higher paying jobs so are more able to afford transistion/feel safe doing so. Not to mention going to college and being in a white collar profession, their more likely to run across info on transexualism(before the days of mass internet). Oh and being white collar, their coworkers and boss are more likely to be progressive and open minded.
I notice Sillyolme posts on Reddit too, making sure people(especially TERFs) understand AGPs better. This woman really has nothing better to do with her time than promote this shit.
I'll give her credit for admitting AGPs experience dysphoria too, but then she turns around and says it's from an unfulfilled sexual/psychological need. So not the same type of dysphoria as a HSTS.
>>6148938
go hang out with some hons, its a valuable experience!
>>6149324
That's what that blog post actually says at the end. But what I don't understand is if that's true, then why would a retarded or average AGP not transition early like HSTS? What it seems to say is intelligent AGPs hold back from transition until they have the money to make the transition, that it was their high intelligence itself that made them more cautious. If it wasn't that very post, it was another that linked back to it. So if that's true, wouldn't the less intelligent AGPs transition early? But they do also say that transition for HSTS is unrelated to intelligence. Maybe the reason would be something like already being in feminine roles their whole lives, from school and childhood play to their pink-collar job, the moment they first hear of transition, they jump on the train, while the AGP feels it would be a much more dramatic change for the people around them, so they feel a pressure to conform or be consistent with what people have thought of them and hold off thinking they can handle it, until it gets to be too much. But couldn't that also be related to the respective intelligence of the AGP to realize that?
>>6149461
no. i will never stoop to that level
if there's one thing that will drive me faster to suicide that's it
>>6130312
nice to see that it doesn't only exist in animes
>>6130312
>How does this picture make you feel AGPg?
better than all the anxieties of not having job and living all alone
>>6130312
A bit alluring but kinda disturbing. Where does he do his business? In a bucket? Does he have the whole area under the bed or just a small part? Can't tell if his neet cage goes deeper.
Why would you want your womanhood to be neet tranny in a cage?
>>6147994
>AGPs tend to sit around 120 IQ
well shit
>>6152049
>Who supports you financially?
savings from my last job
>>6152051
it doesn't look like there's a lock. Most people don't roleplay like that all the time, so I would guess they're allowed to go to the bathroom normally.
>>6152058
What are you thinking?
>>6152233
Now I know you're depressed. How long will your savings last at this rate? Have you decreased your expenses because of this? What do you do every day? Do you stay in contact with your family?
>>6152267
maybe 4 or 5 months, wish i could manage food expenses better. These days just play games and sleep too much.
>>6148091
that's a different kind of weird genius
>>6152595
how long were you employed? why'd you lose the job/quit?
I'm 26. I've been dealing with these feelings(mtf) since i was ~10 years old. I'm terrified that it's just AGP.
Has HRT helped anyone here sort things out? I'm just so tired of all of this.
>>6154078
it might be "just" agp but you could still be trans
>>6154078
6 months here
still as unsorted as ever
>>6154078
you were a perverted fetichist since you were 10, it's a bit too late to worry about not being a perverted transgirl. just accept your childhood dream job.
>>6152058
What did you expect? Did you think you were stupid?
>>6154085
Do you at least feel good about yourself now or have you become more of a mess cause of hormonal changes?
>>6154194
no. it's not like i felt good about myself before, but now i just hate myself for being a loser faggot. maybe i felt that way before too, it's not like i'm inherently different
>>6154212
Damn. I want to be more fem though I know its stupid and Im too old to go all the way. Sad to hear that hrt doesn't help.
>>6154233
quite a problem, huh? are you gonna go full hon in 5 years? or will you get a gf and everything will be ok? i was almost 25 when i caved in, hoping that they would make things clear. the only thing i really know is that i'm disgusted by old ruddy balding men even more than i was before. perhaps i should have tried the SERM cycle route, but idk..
>>6154308
I'm gonna be sad balding man and drown myself in alcohol and xanax
>>6154355
ah..well at least get on finasteride? that's pretty tame
xanax sounds nice. i know i'd get addicted though
>>6154355
You have balding genes in your family?
>>6154049
office closed down in my location, guy who brought me in quit, wasn't considered for other location, also didn't socialize with the boss.
Mtfg has bad aspergers lately. Can i hide in here?
I'm an old, mostly str8 hun
:/ sorry we can't all be fufu
Talk to me....
>>6154577
only if you get aroused from your feminization
>>6154670
are sissies AGP then?
>>6154677
yeah, to be more precise Masochistic Emasculation Fetishism (MEF)
I been on nofap for 22 days (and like two months with only 2 "relapses") and I still want to look more like a woman so I'm going to come out to my family
>>6154670
Aren't most str8 guys aroused by lingerie? So is agp common in all males then?
>>6154886
wearing lingerie tho? idts
