https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcUJgbWrM64
What do you guys think? Should trans people be allowed to use either bathroom?
>>6058451
Trans people should have their own bathrooms, they should be in the center of volcanoes.
>>6058451
>.3% of americans are transgender, why should we accommodate them
>1.5% of americans are in wheelchairs, why should they have ramps
fuck this stupid garbage
I really don't understand why we need sex segregated bathrooms in the first place. Seems more trouble than it's worth, especially as we move towards a genderless society.
>>6058451
My brother showed me this and they might make good points but really they're attacking special snowflakes it's real trans people who need this bill not tumblrinas
>>6058627
False comparison. Without a ramp, stumpy can't roll into the stall to take a shit. You can still access a bathroom, even if you feel it isn't the right one.
>>6058636
i can't access a bathroom where i feel comfortable that i won't be assaulted so i effectively can't access a bathroom
>>6058628
But we need them because all males are latent rapists that perv on the wimminz.
>>6058451
>tfw i have the same neck as in that thumbnail
can u help me fix myself. how do i get rid of it
>>6058658
you CHOOSE not to access a bathroom, whereas a person in a wheelchair CAN NOT access a bathroom that is not handicap. Again, false comparison and stop comparing your self-imposed problems to people with real problems like handicapped Americans.
>>6058628
>genderless society
So will trannies stop trying so hard to look like stereotypical women?
>>6058451
wow this is just awful and unfunny in every possible way thanks op
>>6058636
>you feel it isn't the right one.
also, i'm not sure why you worded this this way. it's not that i don't feel like the men's room isnt the right one. it's simply a fact that it isn't the right one. unless of course you think i'm really just a man :^)
>>6058688
>your self-imposed problems
>why did you choose to be trans you stupid tranny
alternatively
>why didn't you just not transition and kill yourself and then you wouldn't have this problem
>>6058688
Look at this guy getting upset.
Yes we just chose to have gender dysphoria.
Get a grip, faggot
>>6058451
Outside new bathroom legislation restricting it, everyone has been allowed to use whichever bathroom they wanted. Reducing trans peoples' rights, in particular, would be unethical, as would constructing new laws to specifically hinder their respectful integration into society and threaten their safety thereby be unconstitutional.
>>6058451
that video is fucking retarded as fuck
>>6058688
They CHOOSE not to use a bathroom that puts them at risk of assault. That's like saying armed robbery isn't a crime because people CHOOSE to hand the money over rather than get shot.
>>6058691
Yeah, the whole notion of looking like a woman isn't hard-coded in the brain, just basic biological aspects like estrogen and so on are. There won't really be any concept of "stereotypical woman" appearance, people will just dress how they want.
>>6058771
So will trannies also stop saying they're women and identify as such?
>>6058451
Passing trannies should use the bathroom of their chosen gender
If you don't pass just kill yourself.
Tranny bathroom panic hinges on outdated and sexist notions of privacy and gender while also indirectly harming gender non-conforming cis women.
>http://www.nydailynews.com/news/woman-removed-restaurant-ladies-room-files-lawsuit-article-1.226800
>http://metro.co.uk/2015/01/14/lesbian-couple-kicked-out-of-womens-toilet-after-being-mistaken-for-men-5021883/
>http://www.newnownext.com/lesbian-teen-kicked-out-of-mcdonalds-for-using-wrong-bathroom-failing-to-prove-gender/04/2016/
>http://www.wxyz.com/news/region/detroit/woman-suing-fishbones-after-being-mistaken-for-a-man-and-kicked-out-of-the-womans-restroom
>“As I came out of the stall, this gentleman - who was a security guard - came in the bathroom, and before I was even completely out of the bathroom he grabbed me by the arms and pushed me up against the wall, told me that boys aren’t allowed in this restroom," she says. "This could have happened to anybody. There are lots of females out there with short hair. some people might think we’re boys, but, at the end of the day, we’re not"
So much for wimminz safety. Pic related is a devout TERF that would very likely be mistaken for a man and thrown out of a womens' restroom if this shit was actually enforced.
>>6058779
This if you're wearing a gross ass wig and look like a drunk uncle in drag use the dudes Side
>>6058451
Bullshit
>>6053409 (OP) #
http://www.politifact.com/north-carolina/statements/2016/apr/08/dan-forest/nc-lt-gov-dan-forest-says-new-state-law-hb2-preven/
Not in the least.
And NC's collapsing economy is turning into a horror story.
The voters are turning against their governor en mass.
http://www.newnownext.com/north-carolina-gov-pat-mccrory-is-now-losing-at-the-polls/04/2016/
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-north-carolina-lgbt-idUSKCN0XG2MB
>>6058778
Yeah, because in a truly genderless society "woman" won't be a thing. Those that we today classify as trans women will just be people born with a male phenotype who desire having female traits.
>>6058790
Forgot the part about altering body to have gem phenotype traits
>>6058790
Why not evolve what we have and have two more genders like other societies trans women and men wouldn't be offended theyd have their place in society
>>6058796
Forgot? No, I just didn't state it explicitly. Logically if you desire female traits you'd take whatever actions possible to physically transition.
I'm buying a camper shell for my truck and it has a full bath room with it. Take that shit retards. All I got to do is walk to my car, lock the door, and shit freely.
>>6058711
Yes you make the choice to mutilate your body, nobody is forcing you to you retard.
>>6058703
i don't THINK you're a man - you ARE a man.
>>6058802
Yes, but it's really the only legitimate treatment for gender dysphoria. So it's not really a choice in any practical sense.
>>6058797
Sounds nice, but in practice those societies treated trans men and women as an under-caste. Get rid of transphobia, then we'll talk.
>>6058819
Yea no these people who get sex changes make up shit in the majority give them their own gender and they'll be fine
>>6058801
I guess no one wants their own personal shitter.
>>6058815
No one except salty anons on 4chan ever seem to think so. Stay mad u inbred retard =) I'll be in the ladies'
>>6058688
strictly speaking, old mate in his feelchair could no doubt crawl or roll into a stall, seeing as we're talking about levels of comfort here.
>>6058825
If you want the majority of society to believe that there are more than two genders, I don't think it's transsexuals you should be asking to do that. Besides, trans people are already given a gender by society, it's either the one they're born as or some demoralizing subhuman status separate from male and female. Either way, they're treated as an under-caste because society hates them. You can make up as many genders as you want but if you don't address that stigma and hatred, the results will largely be the same.
>look like a girl
>not legally allowed into female restrooms
>>6058836
I'll pray for you =) don't become a statistic!
I'm pretty sure Steven Crowder is a closet trans. He seems to talk about transgender issues way more emphatically than other issues. And then he made a whole fucking song about it so there's that.
>The surgery would render my sex organs completely non-functional
Yeah, no.
>>6058849
If you actually look like a woman why are you worried though lol
Are you one of those dumbass trannies that made sure everyone on earth knows you're a tranny?
>>6058863
havnt u heard they r having a penis inspection day
This is an incredibly rude video, but there's something about the guy in the costume's voice that's getting me to laugh whenever he speaks.
So is this guy pro or anti-trans? I'm guessing the latter but I quite honestly can't tell.
>>6058785
poast website
>>6058844
There's hatred and stigma because people don't see them as real men and women hence give them their own gender
I mean fuck do you even logic?
>>6059320
He's pro-trump, says democratic socialism is basically communism, accuses Sanders of lying to get voters.
He's sort of a dick.
>>6059484
But that video is on point though
>>6059401
cuz they aren't real men or woman. They're what their genes made them fucked up due to shitty brain chemicals and masked with "BUT MAH FEELZ"
>>6059484
>He's pro-trump, says democratic socialism is basically communism, accuses Sanders of lying to get voters
>implying any of these things are incorrect
Wow you must be in denial of reality. Ten bucks says you're a tranny, cause only a tranny could deny reality this hard. Their day to day existence hinges on denying chromosome reality and biology.
Inb4 BUt muh super rare syndromes that affect a thousand people worldwide. Those people with those genetic disorders aren't you.
>>6059401
No, there's hatred and stigma because people associate gender non-conformity with sexual perversion and homosexuality. This stigma and hatred is double for AMAB people because male gender roles are more rigid and harshly policed than female gender roles.
>inb4 tumblr
Good luck trying to convince those same people that there are more than two genders, though.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/paul-mchugh-transgender-surgery-isnt-the-solution-1402615120
Thoughts?
>Oh, it's THIS "debate" again.
Oh man, everyone's really swallowed the bait... hook, line and effin sinker. Do you people truly not understand this is a bullshit debate meant to distract and divide us from the greater issues at stake?
>>6059532
>denying chromosome reality and biology
I love how right-wingers are suddenly lovers of science and facts when it allows them to bash trannies, but still manage to be largely creationists and global-warming deniers in favour of the Chicago School of economics.
>>6059532
Equating democratic socialism to communism requires quite a bit of mental gymnastics to purposefully undermine the political ideology.
It's not entirely incorrect and surely the equation had some merit, but I disagree with it.
Secondly, Sanders has yet to intentionally and knowingly lie to the population to get views. I would like an example, if you have one.
Secondly, being pro-trump is just as correct as liking apples. It's just an opinion, albeit a much more impactful one.
Lastly, I'm not trans nor did I try to discredit his viewpoints. I just think it takes somewhat of a dick to think what he thinks. Because all the people who thought the same that I've met have been somewhat of dicks. Not exactly unlikable, just somewhat of dick ish personas.
With that, you sure got butt blasted over my opinion. Good day to you, sir.
>>6059532
>>6059605
>discoveries have pointed to a complex process of sex determination, in which the identity of the gonad emerges from a contest between two opposing networks of gene activity. Changes in the activity or amounts of molecules (such as WNT4) in the networks can tip the balance towards or away from the sex seemingly spelled out by the chromosomes. “It has been, in a sense, a philosophical change in our way of looking at sex; that it's a balance,” says Eric Vilain, a clinician and the director of the Center for Gender-Based Biology at the University of California, Los Angeles. “It's more of a systems-biology view of the world of sex.”
>According to some scientists, that balance can shift long after development is over. Studies in mice suggest that the gonad teeters between being male and female throughout life, its identity requiring constant maintenance. In 2009, researchers reported7 deactivating an ovarian gene called Foxl2 in adult female mice; they found that the granulosa cells that support the development of eggs transformed into Sertoli cells, which support sperm development. Two years later, a separate team showed8 the opposite: that inactivating a gene called Dmrt1 could turn adult testicular cells into ovarian ones. “That was the big shock, the fact that it was going on post-natally,” says Vincent Harley, a geneticist who studies gonad development at the MIMR-PHI Institute for Medical Research in Melbourne.
>>6058802
>seeking medical treatment that triggers muh feels is mutilation and should be discriminated against!
>>6058853
Good news, transition is actually extremely statistically effective as a treatment! The only trouble comes from feels-driven idiots like you trying to discriminate against them.
>>6059529
>shitty brain chemicals
It's epigenetics and a structural neurological difference guided by the hormones that we all have, retard. At least go to wikipedia or something before trying to talk about science that you don't understand.
>>6059532
>neurology doesn't count as biology because it doesn't agree with muh feels about le degenerates just being crazy!
There are a variety of intersex conditions and they're not actually significantly rarer than trannies which the medical establishment is beginning to look at as a type of neurological intersex disorder as well.
>>6059582
He was discredited for his blatant misrepresentation of data to suit his agenda against trans people.
He relies on his personal opinions and lying about the research of others to try to misinform the public about the current state of medical research and understanding.
Since he was discredited by legitimate medical institutions he has been working with a group of conservative doctors that was formed to battle against gay people being able to adopt and chose their name to be similar to an actual widespread organisation of pediatric doctors to try to confuse the public yet again and seem more legitimate.
>>6059605
Like how a measure to prevent local governments from raising the minimum wage was slipped in along with the NC bathroom bill.
These argments are useless, it always ends the same, people are basically mad because ugly people have the right to exist near them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JXrDwtiqQs
>>6060560
>tfw ugly cis women are starting to get kicked out of restrooms
Brings even more irony to the joke about many of the big-name TERFs looking like men themselves.
Meh. I think they should be allowed, but it's not like anyone is going to stop me. They'd have to check ID at every washroom to prevent it.
Legislation would suck for nonpassing trans people, but everything is going to suck for them anyways.
>>6060597
>They'd have to check ID at every washroom to prevent it.
Not even that would work across the board since IDs can be changed in many states and even birth certificates can be in some but anyway it probably wouldn't go well the first time some cis person pisses or shits themselves in public because someone thought they were a tranny and they lacked ID.
The colleges and cops in NC are in chaos shooting around emails and phone calls trying to figure out what to do because the legislators rushed it through so fast that they didn't bother to include any provisions for enforcement so the best the police can do is respond to calls. Otherwise enforcement is up to the business which hardly goes well as in the cases of butch lesbians being kicked out and suing.
>>6060671
Back 2 /pol/
>>6058859
>I'm pretty sure Steven Crowder is a closet trans. He seems to talk about transgender issues
Why are trannies so retarded
>>6059484
>He's pro-trump,
He couldn't be more critical of trump and his followers. Why do people speak on things they know nothing about?
OP's video is stupid as fuck.
Also, why is this the overwhelming argument, when it feels like the transgender thing was what they thought would be an easy scapegoat to hamstring the powers of local government? There was a provision in the same bill to prevent local governments from being able to raise the minimum wage in their area, like a lot of west coast cities are doing. Actually, it hamstrings local governments from doing anything the state government doesn't like, which is kinda fucked!
I guess the media figures the transgender issue is 'sexier' (aka garaunteed to get motherfuckers arguing) as opposed to yet another piece of class struggle and a further removal of the power of people at the most basic levels.
...that said I no longer look forward to visiting North Carolina any time soon.
>mfw half my family lives there
>tfw live in NC
>bathroom bill gets passed
>businesses pass up NC for expansions, bands pass up tours, etc.
>despite this, the legislature is staunchly against trying to repeal it
Fuck this shitty state, the politicians are hurting their own people because they can't stand the idea of somebody with a weenie in a women's restroom.
>>6058451
>>"You leave it the way it is. There have been very few complaints the way it is," he continued. "People go, they use the bathroom that they feel is appropriate. There has been so little trouble, and the problem with what happened in North Carolina is the strife and the economic punishment that they are taking."
Why isn't the master right? The facts are on his side and the Carolina economy is going down the tubes cause their ineptitude.
Very sad.
>>6058627
>1.5% of americans are in wheelchairs, why should they have ramps
nice strawman
>2.1% of americans use canes or crutches
>10.7% of americans have a disability that hinders their daily life
So now we're up to about 15% who appreciate the use of ramps.
Also
>6.3% of americans are morbidly obese and can't climb stairs
Now we're close to 1 in 5 americans. :^)
>literally just don't be an ugly crossdressing hon
>issue completely avoided, no laws needed
is /lgbt/ filled with hons now? I haven't been here in like a year. last time i was we all hated hons.
just put some effort in to passing and 99% of these issues are made irrelevant
I'm transgender and I'm fine with not using women's bathrooms. Gets me a chance to look at some good dick once in a while.
>>6062416
I agree. If you're passing then it shouldn't even be a problem.
>>6062416
Get thrown out of the boys room cause you're a Femboy and have tits so they just assumed. Problem for every one.
>not just peeing in your diaper
It's like hons don't want to be sexual.
>>6062432
>Get thrown out of the boys room
This never happens. Have you ever even used a fucking mens room before?
Literally everyone is staring at the floor and avoiding eye contact while just trying to get in, do their business, and get out quickly. Even if there was a fully blown woman in their I honestly don't think anyone would say a word beyond "the fuck?"
The way you retarded liberal nutjobs talk about bathrooms makes them seem like people are sitting down for fucking lunch in them. Who the fuck spends more than 45 seconds inside of a bathroom? Get in, get out, and your done.
This is not a real issue and is bringing more shame to trans people than ever before. You guys are actively destroying your own credibility with this retarded shit.
Fucking get out hons, kill yourselves. No one cares about you.
>>6062472
Uh, I use the men's room cause I think of it myself as one.
Doesn't mean it wasn't resulting in funny things like guys asking if it was the wrong place/ or just peaking in freaking out and leaving. Was in a liberal city so doubt anything would've come off it there.
>>6058451
holy shit that was actually hilarious i'm dying
>>6062416
>literally just don't be an ugly crossdressing hon
>issue completely avoided, no laws needed
Butch dykes are getting kicked out too.
> Steven Crowder
> ever
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>>6062416
the issue is there is a law preventing trans people from going into the bathrooms they pass as, no one is trying to campaign for a law saying they can go wherever.
You can pass and go to the restroom and be breaking the law every time you do, that is the issue
>>6068497
>>6058451
He got fired from fox cause Hanity found his personality insufferable. Acting carer also failed.
Nothing more than a washed up Z list with a victim complex.
>>6068530
This. It's only sensible to make people use the restroom they look like. These bathroom bills are based off of your junk, and people don't normally see that in the bathroom, they see your face and clothed body.
Otherwise, you're going to get FtMs that have been on testosterone for years going in women's bathrooms just to avoid breaking the law, and that's way more troublesome than passing MtFs in the women's bathroom.
>>6068537
>He got fired from fox cause Hanity found his personality insufferable. Acting carer also failed.
>Nothing more than a washed up Z list with a victim complex.
Just change out Fox and Hanity, and you could describe John Stewart
>>6067898
Maybe butch dykes shouldn't be trying to look like men then
Dykes BTFO
not terribly funny or clever
just a collection of strawmen
>>6058451
Congrats, you made me click on a Steven Crowder video.
>>6068566
Retired and worth a lot of money In Stuart's case.
Crowder couldn't hold a job down, not in Christian films or in Fox. He's got a victim complex a mile wide
>>6058691
This is something I've always found interesting. I've never met a transgendered women who was a tomboy or a transgendered man who was a bit less masculine than the average heteronormative male.
Transgendered females, in my limited sexual experience with them, tend to maintain much of the same attitude in bed that makes me tend to prefer men over women when it comes to sex (bifag here).
>>6058711
That's not at all what he said...he was addressing acts as they pertain to the bathroom, not the cause of transgendered person's reason for having a bathroom preference that upsets some people.
>>6058636
I'd get thrown out of the men's room ya retard.
