How many trannies here are going to be mommies when womb transplants start going mainstream?
>yfw the only sensible place to give birth from for an MTF is their ass
>tfw I'll never give a tranny the assbaby she deserves
>>6057156
B-but babies don't come from there, anon
>>6057146
>still can't give birth without a c-section
like what's the point of it
its like watching a really interesting movie and turning it off right before the resolution and then put it on again to watch the credits
>>6057146
MEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMMEEMEMMEEMEMEMEMMEEMEMEMMEMEEMMMEME
ME. Oh lawd yes
I've got a breeder fetish. Grew up with 7 bros n sisters, moved out, transitioned mtf, and would have 10 kiddos in a heartbeat if possible
>>6057146
I don't know, but I'll gladly donate my womb and ovaries to a trans woman who'll surely appreciate them, and actually use them, more than me. I am looking forward to this too.
>>6057146
>freeze sperm
>get SRS and a womb transplant
>buy an ovum
>impregnate myself
Is such a thing possible?
>>6057146
If they ever get this off the ground? So much me. I'm willing to put a car's worth into my face. Having a child of my own (OK, well, a bf/husband's and some cis woman's that gets to be my child) is priceless. I'd do it for sure.
>>6057146
The pelvis will still be too narrow for a baby to pass through. Would only be possible for someone who's been on hrt since before puberty.
>>6057156
lmfao
Also link to that article?
Did it say anything about ovary transplants? Are those a thing?
>>6057146
Not me, senpai. Or at least it's very unlikely. Not because I'm unwilling, but because I'll never have a husband. :( If things had gone better, where I started HRT 7 years younger or more, I would have been able to get a husband, and maybe my mother would give me her uterus. Everything would have been perfect, senpai.
>>6057156
It might not come out of an SRS vagina, but it's definitely not coming out via the anus. C-sections are the only way.
>>6057165
Sure, it would be nice to be able to have a natural birth, but you do know that most births these days are done by c-section?
>>6057212
That's one criterion for natural birth, but I think the other is whether an SRS vagina could actually stretch to accommodate a baby.
>>6057212
>she started hormones after puberty
lol, sorry hun
>>6057226
>whether an SRS vagina could actually stretch to accommodate a baby
Not at the moment, but that tech can progress. In theory. There's no conceivable way, however, to reshape the pelvis. So, C-section it is.
>>6057212
C-sections are a thing.
>>6057226
>but you do know that most births these days are done by c-section?
yes but that is so fucked up I can hardly believe it.
you are meant to give birth to babies, not remove them as if they were tumors
>>6057265
>meant to
Human childbirth is actually an extremely good piece of evidence that intelligent design is bullshit given how frequently it went horribly wrong before modern medical practices helped bring those high infant and mother mortality rates down.
>>6057146
I would get it.
After all I always wanted to be a normal girl, get married and have kids.
>>6057175
dude, that's incest. Right?
>>6057299
Would you be a good mommy though?
>>6057302
well, you're buying someone else's ovum so like
you're getting somebody else pregnant
but in your own body
>>6057302
selfcest?
>>6057303
Would do my best to be a cute housewife and good mommy as long as you don't mean like in incest doujins.
I don't really want to traumatize my kids or do an mean thing to them desu.
>>6057175
>>6057302
Incest? Not really. That anon's DNA would still only be one of the genetic parents. I actually had a fantasy where I would freeze my sperm, then when womb transplants and making egg cells from your skin cells were possible I would impregnate my own egg cell with my own sperm, and carry the pregnancy myself without telling the doctors where I got the sperm from.
Being both genetic parents is like some kind of sex power trip.
>>6057175
I hope it is. That's pretty cool.
If womb transplants aren't too far away I might reconsider keeping mine so I can donate it someone who wants it - unless T makes wombs degenerate a bunch or shit like that.
Haha you idiot think they will have artificial pregnancies for you? They don't even understand all the hormonal interactions and cause effect of NORMAL pregnancies. So much delusion
>>6057541
>not understanding what hormone injections does in cis woman IVF pregnancies means pregnancies can't be attempted in trans women
Wew, lad. That logic.
>>6057146
letting my broken neurotic self raise a child is probably consider child abuse in 23 states
>>6057250
See post above yours in which I confirm this.
god i wish
sadly its not just the fact that we lack a womb. there's the pelvis, chromosomes...its like at least a hundred years off
>>6057146
I'm gonna bait so many dudes into paying child support to a trans girl
Send them a txt after a couple dates like "btw I'm trans and you're gonna be a daddy (: I'll expect your checks soon"
>>6057676
Those sorts of women make terrible mothers. Plus, how the fuck would they impregnate you without
1. knowing you were a tranny
2. knowing you could get pregnant
?
If they think you're cis the possibility that you could get pregnant is definitely on their minds.
>>6057668
Naah, it'll be in our lifetime qt3.14.
-Pelvis/facial surg techniques will improve
-artifical wombs will come from the same type of genetic projects like Anthony Atala's work: https://youtu.be/Rnc1LHuckNo
Cliffnotes: they take a part of you and print more of it.
Last time I checked, they can handle muscle, tissue, and bone. Next is lung, heart, liver, etc. But the big hurdle for what we want--ovaries/uterus--is totally the chromosome part.
As mtf we only have 1 X chromosome, so you might need a donor for another X, or maybe all your kids would just look a lot more like twins than normie senpai
>>6057146
Does it only work with human babies or can I have puppies?
>>6057747
You have to be really fucked up in the head to think that this is at all a good thing, for anyone. I pity the poor child who has to grow up in a lie and eventually realize his "mother" is a dude who had a bunch of surgery.
>>6057568
It's more complicated than that. I'm just highlighting that there are massive gaps in knowledge
>>6057843
NOW THAT'S WHAT I CALL MENTAL ILLNESS
>>6057849
...I'll come clean about it when he/shes 7 or so; wont intentionally keep them in the dark
>>6057843
You have read some pretty fucked stuff on the internet, haven't you? When I read your post I can feel the level of fucked up furry stuff like it's in front of me.
>>6057849
I wouldn't keep it from my children either. Moreover, my children would know there is nothing wrong with being transgender. Society would know this as well by that point.
>>6057893
>Society would know this as well by that point.
kek
>>6057849
I dont' really think the kid would stop loving his mom at all.
Basically she was a woman before he was born so technically his mom always existed and she didn't change at all.
Think about it, she even had a fucking womb and the kid was created inside her, if that's not being the mother of the kid then none of our mothers would count either.
FUCK
NO
>>6057900
Your UK shithole isn't a first world society, Ahmed.
The vast majority of those wombs would be built into machines and used by fairly well off single het men looking to have a child/children of their own blood without having to spend godly amounts of money or dating or use of risky spermbanks.
Basically PPG or Pinocchio scenarios.
And i doubt this would even be safe, probably had a 1/2 chance of giving u retarted babies
>>6057156
>>6057843
>>6058199
>single heterosexual men being the largest market of artificial wombs
For most heterosexual men, that's putting the cart before the horse.
>>6058265
Not really.
Lots of men get into a family way and want some kids.
The problem is that having children is beyond risky from every single standpoint for a man in modern society even though it's proven that the only people who are better at raising children then single het fathers are het couples.
But what if men could litterally go buy babies from the baby factory and raise them on our own?
I actually think that men would become more aware of reproductive nature and rights, marriage and long term relationships will hit an all time low, and single mothers will become a rarity while single fathers will become a common everyday occurrence.
What do you think?
>>6058328
Well, I don't doubt that a man could want children, with or without a woman, but that doesn't mean he doesn't want the woman. And if he's going to get the woman anyway, he may as well have the children with her.
>>6057146
You know what? I'm going to say black women are the only ones who should wear lipstick. They're the only ones who can pull it off. I have never seen a white, hispanic, or asian woman that could wear it well. Yet here this woman is, looking great with it on.
>>6058375
It's like how it's easier to color in a picture if you zoom in 500%. What I mean is black lips are five times as large as normal race lips.
>>6058354
Did you read my post?
Single men who want a family but see having a wife, a longterm girlfriend or a babymama is too risky.
And men have been raised on horror stories of bad partners and women who are horrid potential partners and mothers.
The woman will be there as fwb, fuckslut we pick up at a bar or somewhere, or as an escort. Casual noncommital sex is okay now, and women have no problem escorting or camwhoring now.
But the children will not be hers and she'll have no direct input into how they'll be raised.
I actually think this will happen and any attempt at stopping it will be ignored and quickly over ruled.
>>6057146
That was a uterus transplant from a mother to her daughter.
Implanting a uterus inside the cavity of a MAAB person, besides the risk of rejection and thus the need for immunosuppressants, would be a very bad idea. The reason SRS vaginas shrink is because the pubococcygeus muscle in MAAB people is not configured to accommodate a vaginal cavity in the pelvic floor, and so attempts to shift back to its original location, closing up the vagina - hence the need for dilation to keep this from happening. You can dilate a vagina by inserting a dilator. How exactly do you propose you dilate a uterus?
>inb4 blow air into it through the vagina
That's how you get an air embolism and die
>>6058399
A mother does have value in the sense that she takes care of the child when the father can't. Mothers are often the ones who take children to their doctor's appointments or provide help with homework, and single parenthood is difficult no matter your gender. The average man isn't going to shirk being with a woman over divorce settlements. He may avoid marrying one, but he would certainly still cohabit with one.
>>6058422
You stick a balloon in there and blow air into that. Or you just take a flexible stick and shove it up the curve of the uterus.
>>6057146
whats the point of getting a uterus transplant when the eggs won't even be yours. I'm gunna birth a kid that isn't mine so its pointless. They need to have steam cells create me my ovaries.
>>6058422
It actually never closes up, and cis women with agenesis also need to dilate..
>>6058422
>the need for immunosuppressants
Might not need them if the recipient has AIDS though.
>>6058447
The mother and the baby will die before pregnancy then. Or the baby will have all sorts of birth defects from shit like the common cold.
>>6057747
Someone doesn't understand science!
>-Pelvis/facial surg techniques will improve
There's a limiting factor here. MAAB pelvises are shaped differently to the extent where the leg comes out at a different angle. That angle 4.6 degrees greater for FAAB due to the presence of a wider pelvis, increased femoral anteversion, and a relative knee valgus angle. So if you were printing a new pelvis, you'd basically have to redo the entire lower body to sort out leg connections (not to mention that the amount of nerves that would need to be connected in even just a transplant (can't imagine how you would 3D print that complex a structure any time soon) would be crazy and nerves are quite hard to work with in general - they don't regenerate, so a severed nerve tends to stay severed. This would be MAJOR surgery, and the mortality rate probably be and remain too high for it to be seen as viable or ethical.
When it comes to implanting a uterus, >>6058422 is pretty on the money.
I'm not exactly sure what you mean about donating another X chromosome. It's not like an organ transplant. It's true that XY cells might not work in regards to being printed into things like a uterus as the tissue is very different, in which case an XX cell might be recognised by the body as foreign and be rejected.
>>6058512
You're describing extremes.
In about 25% of women the pelvis is firmly within male range.
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>How many trannies here are going to be mommies when womb transplants start going mainstream?
Not me, but I do have someone to be my mommy :>
>>6058431
That's... that's not a good idea. The closest analogy to that would be inserting an IUD, and you need a surgeon to practice aseptic technique and administer a local anaesthetic while he cranks open the cervix with a cervical tenaculum and shoves the stuff up there. It would mean that, unlike donation, a SRS uterus would require frequent trips to the doctor and there would be a LOT of ways for that to go horribly horribly wrong. If it was even feasible the incurred costs would be immense, and that's not even accounting for the feasibility of keeping the uterus up to size during a pregnancy (and of course, that's a whole 'nother question with the necessary hormonal cycling required for a function menstrual cycle to build up the uterine lining).
>>6058444
No, it's true that it doesn't close up completely, but it can massively narrow. Cis women with vaginal agenesis do need to dilate, because they were born with an absent or malformed vagina and therefore they're in the same situation as trans women - their insides try and shift to close the neovagina.
I hate to rain on everyone's parade but this is a lot more complicated than just "pop in a uterus and I'll have a baby!".
>>6058588
After they start transplanting wombs into transsexuals I'm sure it won't be long before they perfect the technology to amputate your arms and legs and compact your remaining torso so you can live for nine months as a transfetus inside your new mom.
>>6058528
If you reread what I was talking about, you'll see I didn't mention width. It's about pelvic shape. The pelvic inlet is a different shape, the iliac crest is lower in females, there's a different angle in the inferior pubic ramus... there's a lot of factors at play here.
>>6058431
The average father and single father does these things as well.
As for shirking being with a woman over various divorce and alimony horror stories? Most will completely give up on both marriage, cohabitation and long term commitments in favor of using women as sexual objects.
Men would eventually begin to become more aware of how precious our reproductive capability and place in sexual reproduction is as well as seriously thinking about fatherhood and having children and relationships in general.
Men will keep condoms on tap or devise and begin to use male birth control pills and it will become the norm. Women will be seen as either a sexual possibility or relationship possibility in more concrete terms with no wiggle room in the middle.
"accidents" and claiming that a man is the father of a child who quite clearly isn't his will be taken seriously.
I reiterate.
Men would begin to use the baby factory to have their own children and use women for sex and never have long term relationships again.
>tfw want kids
>tfw actually hate kids and live a high-tech low-life existence and have no faith in the future anyway
It's a conflicting feel
>>6058667
I think you underestimate people falling in love and a need for human companionship and emotional intimacy
>>6058753
Marriages and long term relationships are at an all time low.
I haven't underestimated it, i've simply been awakened to the fact that they are no longer needed and when this happens we will see a paradigm shift in human relationships.
PS. You keep ignoring the "men still need sexual intimacy" part of my post and continue to equate longterm relationships and marriage with that. They are not equivalent at all.
>>6057226
>most births these days are done by c-section
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/delivery.htm
this website says it's only 32% and that's only in the US where the C section rate is higher than everywhere else for some reason
>>6058817
>>6058753
Yes people are wary of long-term comittment, but that mean they will wait longer/have higher standards for their partner, not that they will try to instate the MGTOW utopia you describe.
Men have emotional needs to fullfill, needs for which casual fling/non-serious relationship does not suffice. You're not "awakened" in saying you don't have these, you're just revealing that you're emotionally stunted (or in denial, as a rationalisation for why you're alone)
>>6058967
Ah, but those emotional needs are seen as both a weakness and wrong by society and women who do not see them as mates.
Males who give up hope and seek to become family men and use women for momentary abatement of sexual pleasure and a need for intimacy seem to be the happiest overall.
There are studies that state that men who live like this tend to live longer and happier lives. The "married men live longer" thing has more to do with having family that will take care of said man then it does having a wife.
As a matter of fact having and losing a long time wife/partner tends to make men die earlier then normal.
So I ask you.
Why would this not occur?
>>6058964
For the same reason breast feeding is discouraged and post partum depression is played up as an evil.
Money.
A child born of a c-section will have a lowered immune system. They are born through the birth canal and the defication and blood from the mother during the child birth contains most of the bacteria they will need to fight off most diseases for the rest of their life.
A child who isn't breast fed and instead eats sugar will have a further lowered immune system and see sweets in a positive way.
Mothers who don't breast feed or go through late night feedings and the loss of sleep will have severe post partum depression and be unable to connect with her child.
The pospartum depression is known to be alleviated by the positive feelings created by the dopamine that is released during breast feeding, and sleeping less and moving more is a known way to combat depression.
That's on top of the drugs they convince women they need during child birth which completely ruins the emotional connection between a newborn child and it's mother.
Oh and circumcision.
>>6059069
Isn't the world a great place to live?
That's why we don't do any revolutions anymore, because we've understood that being exploitable money makers is the best option there's in life for us.
Is there another overlord to dominate my life and thoughts? I feel like ensaving myself a bit more
>>6059069
>citations needed
