why can't lesbians make art?
>>6002829
>why can't women do (insert thing)
pretty much answered your own question
>>6002829
lesbian porn is art
>>6002831
why can't they at least write prose on par with absolutely awful str8 writers like Rand?
>>6002833
straight male, why are you here?
Lesbians make great art.
Why gay men are just a bunch of degenerated faggots who spread disease and drama in ang place they go?
>>6002846
ftm
>>6002847
not even 1/16th of the talent of faux-bi's like Sleater-Kinney
>>6002849
found the tranny in the thread
>>6002849
i just wanted context on why a lesbian has never added anything of value to the arts
>>6002858
What? I'm woman born woman asshole.
>>6002861
>art
>>6002833
I wish I could get hard looking at pics like this. I really want to be a bisexual instead of a full blown homosexual. For most of my life I've been "straight", ever since my bff found out that I like watching gay porn he's lost respect of me, I try to tell him that I'm not just gay and that I'm also bi, and he's just like "sure buddy" and makes jokes about me wanting guys to fuck me in the ass.
How can I get turned on by looking at busty girls without thinking about fit well endowed men?
I feel like a such weak beta male for being such a faggot.
>>6002864
post your neovag bb
>>6002865
wow that sure invalidated my post
Gay guy here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9e9NSMY8QiQ&ab_channel=TeganandSara
>>6002874
gay men don't create art
straight men do
>>6002864
>I'm born a woman
>continues to post stick thin, spray tanned, fake breasted girls from playboy magazine that are geared towards heterosexual men
timestamp of your vagina to prove you're female or gtfo
>>6002879
Yeah, straight men are great. Gay men mostly tend to be fucked up in the head and act like mentally ill women.
I am a woman. Every artist is a woman and should have a taste for other women. Artists who are homosexual cannot be true artists because they prefer men. A male artist who prefers men is reverting back to normality.”
(Pablo Picasso)
>>6002905
t. a schizophrenic degenerate
>>6002905
i mean..
what?
>>6002881
I'm a heterosexual men and I think women who look like that aren't attractive at all. A lot of other guys have a pretty weird taste in women, I feel.
>>6002905
Source?
I can believe he said this though. Nietzsche said something similar about philosophers being women.
>>6002916
Robert Greene - The Art of Seduction
You'd have to ask Robert where he found the quote, but I doubt he invented it.
>>6002912
>I'm a heterosexual men
>men
>I'm multiple people
>>6002916
nietzsche got syph from sticking his dick in a jewfaggot
>>6002912
>I'm a heterosexual
why are you here on lgbt on a sunday morning?
>>6002869
idk man. If there was a generalized method for changing from gay to straight, everyone would know about it by now. I certainly don't think you're bad or wrong for wanting to change, but you'll probably be met with limited success.
Maybe try looking around for some specific woman-centric fetishes that you like? Anal, MILF, femdom, etc. Some women that most men say are really attractive (like celebrities) do nothing for me, but femdom stories get me rock hard.
If none of that works... well, nothing wrong with being gay. If you actually desire to have sex with men, then being a weak beta male certainly won't be an obstacle for that.
>>6002926
It's the best board on 4chan for general sex discussion. I like lesgen, the tranny threads, etc. Also you get threads like these.
>>6002926
I believe the scholarly consensus now is that the syphilis story was a myth, and his poor health was actually caused by a brain tumor.
Also I think the woman in the syphilis story was always just an unnamed prostitute, no way of telling if she was a Jew or not.
>>6002915
Who the fuck is this anon.
Why do you say stupid shit.
5/10 you mad me reply.
>>6002947
The thing about art being only made by cis het men is obviously false, but it is true that most artists are either betas or outright faggots, and thus womanly.
>>6002947
D.H. Lawrence, the many Don Juans, the men that the Casanova myth is based on, Lord Byron, Picasso. I could go on.
Their female minds make them great seducers and great artists.
Through their love of women they learn have females work in order to seduce them, and that is the greatest art of all.
Then again, what would someone who uses poorly drawn illustrations know of art. This is pearls before swine.
>>6002936
I've found piece with my self, now I'm just hitting the gym hard, so I can become really fit and have a small bodyfat %, then I'm gonna go on grindr when I feel like my body looks good enough and I'm gonna find men to suck off and have them fuck me in the butt like the beta faggot I am. Also, I just want to have someone to cuddle with.
I should just stop thinking about women all together, since I don't ever even fantasies about them, I can't even see myself enjoying to cuddle with them.
Talking about gay sex makes me hard, trying to fap to the thought of fucking a girl in the pussy does nothing for me...
I just want to find a stronger man to protect me and be good to me...
>>6002953
Yo. Ain't no one more pretentious than me (I'm working on applications of Lacanian psychoanalysis to video game theory), but don't you dare talk shit about anime.
>>6003005
I mean, illustration can be cute, but it is without formalistic, temporal or conceptual value. It's the lowest common denominator for expressing "something" I guess. But it is never fine art. At best it can hope to be appropriated by an artist such as Murakami but even then its more a comment on the flatness of it. Its forever an universal joke, why anyone but toddlers would enjoy it is beyond me.
>>6003024
Surely you've experienced some joy from simple activities like eating and sleeping, even though those activities are not formally innovative. Mass art functions the same way.
>>6003041
That's a dialectic I don't enjoy.
This therefore that.
A meal is a introverted activity.
Art is when we gaze outward and has more to do with the body than bodily functions. Its how we move, or how time has been recorded or is no longer recorded. We change the work by viewing it, which in turn changes us. Anime and video games, for instance, have no such capacity as they are static mediums. Anime because it is just illustrated emotion and video games because there is no point of causality outside of what is programmed.
>>6003067
>Video games, for instance, have no such capacity as they are static
What the fuck? There is no medium more dynamic than video games. No other medium affords a greater chance to actually change what the art is doing than video games.
>Video games because there is no point of causality outside of what is programmed.
I don't understand what you mean by this.
>>6002953
Well. I've just been drawing for 20 or so years so um...yeah i guess I don't know that much
Just some draw fag
>>6003141
>There is no medium more dynamic than video games
real life?
>>6003151
Artistic medium.
>>6003141
Hah. No. Video games is like those books for children with pre corded animal noises. So when you see the duck, you press the duck picture and hear a duck sound.
Video games are as far removed from art as you ever could be. Even a novella is of more artistic merit because of the temporal aspect a book has. Video games are anti-art because as I said, there is no causality outside of what is programmed. Its a carnival ride.
>>6003147
I would be ashamed if this is what I had to show for after drawing for 20 years. Cartoons? Well well, you illustrators do enjoy the glumness of what you call your work.
>>6003336
>Video games is like those books for children with pre corded animal noises. So when you see the duck, you press the duck picture and hear a duck sound.
Yes, video games are interactive. Does that disqualify them from having artistic merit? I don't see why it would.
Do you just think that there are no good games now? I might be inclined to agree. But you shouldn't infer from that that there will never be good games. In 100 years or so, there will be very good games.
>Even a novella is of more artistic merit because of the temporal aspect a book has.
What do you mean by this?
>there is no causality outside of what is programmed.
What do you mean by this?
>Its a carnival ride.
If a video game is a carnival ride, then a novel is even more so. A video game can unfold in multiple ways based on your choices. A novel cannot, except in the trivial sense that you can choose to go back to an earlier page.
>>6003400
Video games are never interactive. It's the simulacra of interaction, because you can only interact with what has been programmed. Even the most open world video game has limitations in interactions. Besides, something being interactive does not mean its art.
Video games would be anti-art, not kitsch but the very opposite of art.
I don't know what you would qualify as one game being better than another game for me they are mostly the same. You control a character than play out the programming that has been done. From start to finish, even in a farming game you are just doing button clicking on what you were always meant to do.
A book has no voice of its own other than what voice you bring in to it. Even though a novella has a beginning, middle and ending your reading of the book determines your temporal experience of it. There is no surrogate as there are in video games.
I mean that if I wanted to kill the final boss first, I couldn't. If I wanted to punch a hole in the floor I couldn't. I have to conform to the causality of the programming. Its streamlined like a roller coaster ride. I know where it starts, I know what I will experience. This element is never present in viewing fine art, like a painting in a gallery or a performance.
>>6003336
Wtf are you even saying.
Your words aren't worth reading.
>>6003430
As I said, pearls before swine. Someone who consider video games to be fine art has clearly no higher education. Good day sir.
>>6003420
>Video games are never interactive. It's the simulacra of interaction, because you can only interact with what has been programmed.
Hoo boy. Look, I know this is sort of a hot topic in ludology right now, how the rules of the game world both constrain the player and generate an illusion of greater freedom, but honestly I think it's a relatively uninteresting problem. All art is finite. A game only lets you do a finite number of things. A novel only has a finite number of words. But the further ideas and reactions that the finite words of a novel can generate are potentially unbounded, just as the further ideas and reactions that might be generated by a video game are potentially unbounded. Games are not unique in this regard.
>Besides, something being interactive does not mean its art.
I never said it did. I was concerned that you were implying that interactivity entailed that something was not art. If you don't believe that, then we're in agreement on that point.
>I don't know what you would qualify as one game being better than another game for me they are mostly the same.
And most people can't tell the difference between James Joyce and James Patterson. That says little about the relative merits of those two authors.
>You control a character
This is emphatically NOT a necessary feature of video games. This is like someone making pronouncements on the necessary features of all paintings, having only been exposed to portraits. Exposing them to Pollock, Rothko, etc, might cause them to reconsider aspects of their theory.
I agree that games are still largely stuck in a representationalist phase right now. There hasn't been a formalist revolution in video games yet. But there will be.
>A book has no voice of its own other than what voice you bring in to it.
So, you're not a fan of films?
>I mean that if I wanted to kill the final boss first, I couldn't.
There's absolutely no reason why you couldn't develop a game that let you do this
>>6003420
Honestly, it sounds like you're just expecting video games to keep promises that they never made in the first place. No, you can't punch a hole in the floor of any arbitrary video game. No one ever said you could. Video games let you do a hell of a lot more than any novel could, though. A novel doesn't let you do anything, except think and react. Which you're perfectly entitled to do with a video game too.
>>6003441
Considers*
Higher education you say? I only had a little, and was the best in my art class..video games?
Well, I'd like to draw for some company and get paid, so it's art to me I guess.
Think whatever you want lad
>>6002829
Frida Kahlo was bisexual
Harriet Hosmer, neoclassic sculptor, pretty well known if you're into art
Gluck is one of my personal favorites
Nicole Eisenman, her stuff I dont really like but she's an important modern day painter
Your lack of knowledge is not proof of fact, asshole.
>but it is true that most artists are either betas or outright faggots, and thus womanly.
>most
Maybe in America
>>6002915
>Male artists have the mind of women, which is why they are also great seducers.
Or maybe they are creative enough to understand how to seduce someone.
>>6002829
Art student here
Almost everyone is becoming Bisexual down here. That's why.
>>6003441
I don't care what anyone says
Mother 3 can be nothing but art.
>>6003636
Cool, a fellow Mother fan. This is my favorite essay on Earthbound:
http://archive.is/fMD7F
>>6003636
>videogames
>art
You have to be 18 to post here
>>6002831
this
why do you think we congratulate women for doing something a man has already done
>>6003608
lesbians don't exist
>>6003685
http://gamecenter.nyu.edu/academics/game-design-mfa/
Can you explain why NYU offers a Master of Fine Arts degree in game design if games aren't art?
>>6002879
>implying
>>6002849
>>6002829
Who this group? Couteau Twins?
Oh, right that faggot Bob Mould and his ilk
