Discuss North Carolina's discriminatory anti-trans bill.
(Also feel free to discuss how awesome this response to it is [pic related])
It's great for the cause actually. Just like the defense of marriage act they passed it makes it a potential legal fight.
Now if only we could get a ninth judge...
>>5917212
>tfw want judge that will stand for LGBT rights
>tfw also want judge that will defend the bill of rights, especially the second amendment
Might as well kill ourselves now.
fuck everything
>>5917193
I don't understand
Is the man in your image a ftm?
>>5917223
Defend the 2nd amendment from what? Gun huggers are so weird. Look, you guys are safe. Dozens of kids have been killed in mass shootings just within the last few years and we're no closer to losing gun rights than we were before. Get a grip.
>>5917228
Yes.
>>5917246
>Dozens of kids have been killed in mass shootings just within the last few years and we're no closer to losing gun rights than we were before.
>thinks this happened magically
If we didn't care and act, legislators in Congress and certain states' legislators would have legislated guns away.
>>5917193
dam daddy
ftms are so good for the trans cause because there is no fear mongering in, "this 20 year old girl is gonna share the bathroom with your teenage son"
>>5917193
>(Also feel free to discuss how awesome this response to it is [pic related])
it's not like that the ftm in your pic can't rape anyone with her vagina.
Man, can't unsee that dyke face.
>>5917193
Anywhere this happens, or anywhere I see an "inclusive" bathroom, I'm going to piss all over the seat.
If nobody can tell, then use the fucking women's room, if you can't pass then just go ahead and kill youself, you'll be unhappy anyway.
>>5917193
The thing is no one cares if a passing or even close to passing ftm goes into a mens restroom. No guy is going to be like "hey why are you going into the stall?" Hell its practically a unwritten rule that you dont even make eye contact with each other.
This law is 100% about and against mtfs going into womens restrooms. And to further classify it hon mtfs that look like old men in dresses that gives all trans people a bad name.
>>5917279
>the implication being that the non-trans men who exploit bathroom bills in public restrooms go straight for PIV sex instead of more universal means of sexual assault that a dickless dude could do too
>the implication being that SRS, both ways, doesn't null this assertion#
he could've got a phalloplasty for all you know
>>5917279
What about this one?
>>5917193
Why do ftms transition so well?
>>5917331
testosterone
it's one hell of a drug
>>5917223
A registry would go a long way, also if current laws could be upheld. Psyche tests, gun safes mandatory if some one with mental illness. The problem is any sensible compromise is just a smoke screen for disarmament. So it get's fought just as hard :/
>>5917331
you can add more than you can take away
>>5917193
>No love for the Sunflower state
Come on, you trannies would hate us more than NC
Hell, we have constitutional carry for fucks sake
>>5917342
>says this
>literally the opposite when it comes to SRS
>>5917357
only does as much as hrt. its not a miracle fix, hon game stays very strong
>>5917314
>Rich-ass gate background
>Ray-Ban
Loose the stupid "Look at me I'm so rich" look and then you're quite hot.
>>5917193
>same bait thread gets posted for 100th time
Sage and report spam troll threads
>>5917446
Looks like the gate at Versailles to me.
>>5917446
C'est Versailles, toi stupid Américain
>>5917314
i had no idea ftms were so sexy fuuuucckk
why are mtfs so gross in comparison?
>>5917314
still not that afraid of hairy women with vaginas.
>>5917529
>Seriously?
>>5917540
>implying thats what the mtfs on the passing thread look like
>>5917540
show me an ugly unpassing ftm and we'll call it even.
>>5917530
u should be friend
>>5917562
not sure what you're trying to say.
Adam Lanza is a cis boy with a dick and went full rage, guns blazing. Ftms can't do as much damage. They got no dicks or balls to fuel their anger.
>>5917517
Désolée. Je ne connais pas au temps et le fait qu'il portait les Ray-Bans me donnait l'impression mauvaise immédiat. J'suis débile de temps en temps.
(Aussi désolée s'il y a de fautes de grammaire car le Français est mon deuxième langue)
>>5917552
:( what's wrong with us
>>5917554
Never heard of Chaz Bono?
>>5917581
>J'suis
Kys
>>5917579
seems like a happy boy to me
>>5917590
Chaz Bono passes though... She's not anywhere near the cringe tier levels of Chris Chan and Stefonknee
>>5917596
and cis too. That's why he caused so much damage.
It's why ftms are so harmless. Nothing but hair and vaginas.
>>5917600
I can speak your shitty language too you pansy ass faggot
Sorry for having a better language than you
>>5917193
straight guy here
I wouldn't care if a ftm like OP's pic related went into the same bathroom as my wife. He/she ain't got no dick so there's nothing to be worried about.
>>5917605
>you pansy ass faggot
>this coming from a frenchman
ayyy lmao, whatever you say Glass Joe.
>>5917603
aren't gay men scared of vaginas?
>>5917608
>straight guy here
>>5917612
I've heard anecdotes about gay men scaring the shit out of ftms but I've never heard anecdotes about ftms being able to overpower a gay man and rape him.
>>5917616
>Hes still going at it
give it up fag bro no one is scared of gay men
>>5917610
Who's ass came crawling for help from "pansy France" in the 1770's?
Yeah fatty, you wouldn't have won your stupid war if it werent for us giving you free guns and soldiers
>>5917608
>implying sexual assault in a public restroom requires a dick
>implying he isn't basically a butch dyke on steroids
>implying he isn't LITERALLY a butch dyke on steroids
>implying testosterone doesn't turn anyone regardless of natal sex into a thirsty sex predator
>implying anti-androgens and literal chemical castration don't make mtfs tame by comparison.
>implying your wife isn't going to pass off cheating on you with a transguy as "harmless experimenting"
lol cuck
>>5917620
a masc gay man can beat the shit out of any ftm, any day. Why do you never see ftms compete in men's sports like how mtfs do in women's sports?
Because ftms are well aware they can't compete and will get their asses kicked by even the worst cis male player.
>>5917620
actually many straight men fear gays because it makes them insecure of their own masculinity
>bro
stop overcompensating if you want to pass :^)
>>5917630
>masc gay man
mathc4mathc
>>5917193
>shameonNC
I don't understand
is he implying he's dangerous to women?
>>5917639
laugh away vaginacunt. At the end of the day, I'm a real man with a dick you wish you had while you play pretend in ftmgen.
>>5917645
he's implying that society would perceive him as a man ergo why would they want him going into the women's restroom?
>>5917645
Why do people think men are a danger to women anyway? Most men are not sex crazed beasts
>>5917657
Idk. Men are why I'm scared of using the pisser. Even when dressing male.
They like to fuck with you in the bathroom.
>>5917554
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOmstbKVebM
>>5917655
but I mean, if the law was that he could walk into a men restroom, would that forbid him to walk into a women's restroom? It looks like a gray area, and it's not like anyone would question him anything since he passes anyways.
>>5917657
I've heard many times people saying that all men are potential rapists. I think it's stupid, but I kinda have to agree that it's easier to rape someone if you have a dick.
>>5917654
you're pretty over emotional for a real man
>>5917679
fucking fantastic.
Got anymore unpassing ftms?
>>5917690
>>5917686
naw, just fapping and cumming to some porn, oh look at that, spilled my seed on your shitty post. Can you do the same with your disgusting vagina? Lol.
>>5917697
>shitty post
that is a quality girl come on
>>5917694
what a shit picture.
Here, I'll give you a good one.
>>5917700
Not to say all mtfs look like trannies and all ftms look like cis men, but on average thats the way it is
>>5917670
What do they do?
>>5917686
rekt
>>5917706
S T U N N I N G
>>5917680
personally i look at it this way.
making it law that you can only go to the restroom of your birth assigned gender is stupid.
making it law that you can only go to the restroom of your current gender marker makes sense at first until you consider all of the trans people with their birth assigned gender who have to jump through loops in their social transition to get their gender marker changed.
allowing people to use restrooms on self-declared gender is both stupid and the one thing fuelling the flames of scaremongers.
the middle one makes the most sense but as an addendum, anybody going through medically-assisted transition should be issued some sort of ID/permit card should they get pulled up during the process of transition.
>>5917705
>gay ftm AKA straight girl pretending to be a straight ftm
ayyy lmao
>>5917724
im a gay ftm now?
>>5917697
>porn
i know what it feels like to be alone
>>5917719
I don't think there are any scenarios where a bill gets passed that ties bathroom access to legal docs in a state where legal docs are relatively easy to update. the people who care about restricting bathroom use aren't pushing it for public safety or privacy, they just don't want trans women to use the women's restroom. we could cede them any amount of ground and they'd still be pissed as long as "men" can use the ladies' room.
offering ID for trans people wouldn't work very well either. who's going to check it? does some schmuck at every private business have to camp the restroom and make sure everyone's papers are in order? if not, why bother? there's also that meme about how lgbt gets "more rights" than cis-het people, and the people that buy into that will apply it to literally any accommodation the government could make. there's no way they wouldn't lose their shit over trans people being "immune" to a law, especially one about bathrooms.
both sides of this stupid argument are completely opposed to compromise. either bathroom use remains entirely self-determined, or anyone who doesn't look cis enough gets kicked out.
>>5917710
Call me faggot. Make jokes about me. Granted I work around a lot of drunk fucking asshole customers.
Even when my hair is pulled back and I'm wearing men's clothing.
>>5917579
they don't need balls when they have testosterone that balls produce, retard
>>5917880
>there's also that meme about how lgbt gets "more rights" than cis-het people, and the people that buy into that will apply it to literally any accommodation the government could make. there's no way they wouldn't lose their shit over trans people being "immune" to a law, especially one about bathrooms.
we're talking about an "immunity" to a law that's meant to keep men out of womens' restrooms and vice versa. it's not even an "immunity" to that law unless you consider trans people to not be their gender.
and no asshole could pull that stunt if that accommodation is gate-kept by doctors. who is going to put up an act of being trans to the point of being on hormones for 3 months, just to get a card that allows them access to the other restroom for a stunt?
>>5917193
So much for no men in the women's room
>>5917530
men are just hairy muscly women
they are the warrior model of females, mostly due to testosterone; which ftms take
>>5917193
It unnerves me whenever I notice that most FtM people seem to have far better beards than I do. Then there's the 38 year old FtM guy that looks like a doughy 19 year old who can bench press nearly twice as much as I can.
>>5917991
ftms still got no dick
>>5917579
haha do you think bullets and gunpowder are made of sperm cells specifically
>>5917630
except they do compete and no one really complains, you just dont know what you're talking about
>>5918066
are you black?
>>5918066
not yet, but i will be back with my lab grown dick.
(i would say to fuck your bitch, but lets be real)
>>5917923
>it's not even an "immunity" to that law unless you consider trans people to not be their gender.
It's a percieved immunity. The people that spout that crap don't consider trans people to be their gender.
Nobody pulls that stunt as-is. This whole controversy is completely manufactured by fearmongering theocrats and radfems who hate trans people. Any rights we could give up wouldn't be enough because the entire point is to keep trans women out of women's bathrooms.
>>5918090
>i would say to fuck your bitch, but lets be real
lmao no chill
>>5917719
>allowing people to use restrooms on self-declared gender is both stupid and the one thing fuelling the flames of scaremongers.
it's not really our problem how scared they are. they're wrong and they don't have any legal recourse.
restrooms shouldn't be based on gender just because the contractor that built the damn thing doesn't want to shell out extra cash for more secure stalls. in the meantime, it's virtually a non-issue nationwide and nobody should really even have an opinion on it because it's just stupid.
>>5917579
>no dicks and balls to fuel their anger
>he has never met a borderline woman
>>5917193
NC is a redneck state in the middle of nowhere, I'm going to laugh while they get absolutely blasted by the PC crowd.
They'll get what's coming to them
>>5917612
Most men are scared of vaginas.
>>5917719
>allowing people to use restrooms on self-declared gender is both stupid and the one thing fuelling the flames of scaremongers.
No. You do that already. All the time. There will never be literal gender police checking ID's because that's unworkable and ridiculous.
It has nothing to do with that. Rather, they're threatened by trans just existing and being typical, content people. Laws about housing and employment protections get made into "the bathroom law" and there's no pushback on that point from gay rights groups.
>>5917223
i don't get why fags are so against guns.
like when I'm about, and some roided up monkey figures out i look just a bit too masculine to be a real girl so i deserve to get beaten, i want to be able to ice that bitch
>>5917562
...
et tu, Boner?
>>5923493
don't get me wrong, that's hot as fuck, unless it's a nigger, in which case a gun is still useful
>>5917193
strait man here
how will this even be enforced? Pants inspections?
>>5926718
Every day will be penis inspection day.
>>5926718
>strait man
sure thing hon
>>5917193
>FTM
>>5926718
They're literally in the process of making it law to give $2,500 to anyone who finds a 'missplaced' trans.
You fucking bet, there'll be penis inspections. People are gonna die.
>>5927463
>Group of tranny friends, maybe with a cis girl, decide to take advantage of this
>One of the trans girls, or if they have one, a cis girl will pretend to find out there are a bunch of trannies in the bathroom, the trannies will obviously be in the group of friends
>The girl that played rat collects the money
>They split the bounties between them
Just make everyone grow the fuck up and use the same restrooms.
Am I the only person who thinks how incredibly immature gender segregated restrooms are?
I feel embarrassed for the human race. Seriously, if aliens came to earth right now, this shit would be embarrassing as fuck.
>>5927504
Everything about this """issue""" is pretty fucking embarrassing. Aliens pls take me now
>>5927487
not exactly repeatable, since the "culprit" probably gets sent to the grinder afterwards
Kek
>live in north cakilakki
>be mtf
>never ever go to the bathroom in public
The law is just pandering to people who are scared of change and rape. Before this, though? In most places, burly straight men could legally use the women's restroom, and there weren't any damn rapes.
That said, scared and angry people are people too, and NC is a sovereign state. They can pander to whoever they want, really, it'd just be nice if they didn't make silly laws.
>>5928821
>The law is just pandering to people who are scared of change and rape.
More like pandering to hardcore Christards.
Can we just bring back the soviet union and ban organized religion yet?
>>5927463
>They're literally in the process of making it law to give $2,500 to anyone who finds a 'missplaced' trans.
This need to be overturned by a judge right fucking now.
>>5917193
I wish the WBC will move to NC, but nobody wants them in their state, LOLZ. Only 11 fucking members of the same inbred redneck welfare family.
Why would you want to spend money at a place that hates you?
Your money would be funding their rent, food, and the growth of their business.
>>5917193
Holy shit for a second I thought it was a cis post about trans being able to enter washrooms.
>tfw you will never pass as well as a ftm
;-;
>>5929256
Brb on the way to Walmart. 2500 is gonna pay off a lot of shit. I might even make national news
>>5929408
I got it. Imma have a shit in at Walmart.
>shit in.
Walmart and national news here I come. Woo
>>5929374
if we don't even have the freedom to go in the first place, what's the significance to "boycotting" it? they're just making that choice for us
>>5917267
no one is trying to take your guns away you idiot. there are a few states that have done to take away but being able to sell your gun out of your car to some person legally in some states, there is obviously something that needs to be done
>>5929484
I'm not saying to boycott it. Just be glad you aren't unwittingly supporting these people.
>>5917193
I hope NC stands up against political correct terrorist. It is their state and their citizens of NC have right to govern themself. If you don't like law don't live there. I don't like niggers I don't live in nigger neighbourhood. What's so difficult to understand. If you don't live in NC you don't have right to tell people in NC how to live. If you tell them what laws they can and can't pass you are fascist
>>5917193
>out in public minding my own womanly business
>redneck from OP's pic seems to be following me
>looks angry
>run into women's bathroom knowing he can't follow me in there
>hide in stall for a while
>hear a scream from a woman washing her hands
>"don't worry ma'am. I'm trans"
>shaking like crazy out of fear
>scream as the stall door next to me is kicked down
>ohshitifuckedup.jpg
>he finds my stall and breaks down the door
>stares at me with hate
>grabs me and bends me over the toilet
>violently thrusting his hard cock with in my vulnerable pussy
>his steel MAGA cock ring feels cold against my frail female body
>screaming for help but no one dares to come in
>he finally finishes inside me and uses my hair to clean his cock
>right before he leaves he leans in and says "It's the law"
>>5917193
Trannies are mentally ill. Stop promoting this delusional behavior.
>>5929551
>no one is trying to take your guns away you idiot
said ever gun grabber ever, fuck you we've seen that if we let you have an inch you take a mile
>>5929590
"I am the Law."
>>5929590
Forgot pic of Dredd
>>5929551
>there is obviously something that needs to be done
No there isn't?
>>5930883
>>"My 2nd amendment rights are being oppressed unless I can kill all the children"
That's not it silly anon, it's just a joke. It's saying that "protect the children" isn't a valid reason to give give up essential liberties.
>Yes there is?
Why's that? Private gun sales have been valid for centuries, and they've caused no serious problems in all that time. Is there something wrong with me buying a used gun from its owner?
>>5917246
>Gun huggers are so weird.
I think people who don't want a means to effectively defend themselves and their family are weirder.
>>5917228
no fucking shit sherlock
>>5917700
If you start after puberty you better have the money for FFS. Or be Asian. Otherwise... :(
>>5917679
If it weren't for that fucking faggy haircut he'd pass fine.
>>5917719
Nah. If you pass you get to use the proper bathroom, otherwise, sorry hon. I agree that I wouldn't want a 6'4 bearded linebacker with a wig on to go into the ladies room with my daughter, but sending a passing transwoman to the men's room is ridiculous and potentially dangerous for her.
>>5917579
>dicks or balls to fuel their anger
what exactly do you think the 'anger fuel' is that balls produce? it's testosterone, which ftms take anyway, retard. i'm way more aggressive now than I was pre-transition.
>>5931030
>That's not it silly anon, it's just a joke. It's saying that "protect the children" isn't a valid reason to give give up essential liberties.
It is potentially part of a valid reason to give up essential liberties. If the right to bear arms does not cause sufficient good to balance out the deaths of children, there is no reason for it to exist.
>Why's that? Private gun sales have been valid for centuries, and they've caused no serious problems in all that time. Is there something wrong with me buying a used gun from its owner?
I believe a reasonable, basic and consistent background check should be required to purchase guns and ammunition. Allowing unrestricted private ownership transfers would be a massive loophole.
>>5931145
The two most essential civil liberties are the rights to express ourselves and to defend ourselves, because without both of these, oppression is inevitable, and oppression is inevitably followed by violent revolution. A hundred school shootings a year is far preferable to sacrificing that which hundreds of thousands of Americans have already sacrificed their lives to defend.
>>5931145
Unrestricted transfers of private ownership have been protected since the country was founded, because it's unreasonable to expect private gun owners to conduct background checks on the friends, family, and neighbors they trade with, and unjust to compel them to do so. There is no justification for hassling private gun owners with excessive regulation, when the whole country has gotten along just fine thus far without it.
>>5917193
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/politics-columns-blogs/under-the-dome/article68533127.html
The business, and civil society pile on against the law is building up and the law's architects are running scared.
Wapo named them and called them all cowards, it's funny.
>>5931246
>The two most essential civil liberties are the rights to express ourselves and to defend ourselves, because without both of these, oppression is inevitable, and oppression is inevitably followed by violent revolution. A hundred school shootings a year is far preferable to sacrificing that which hundreds of thousands of Americans have already sacrificed their lives to defend.
Unless the actual lives saved by the right to bear arms outweigh the deaths that occur as a result of said right (which I believe they do), the right to bear arms is not justified in practical terms. After all, I would consider school shootings a form of oppression, so the 2nd amendment ONLY makes sense if the oppression it prevents is of a greater magnitude.
Part of me thinks it'd be fucking hilarious to try flirting with all the girls in the ladies room.
>>5931085
>those hips, jaded woman's face, and a voice halfway between fag and woman
>pass
Sure, lad. Maybe you just wouldn't scrutinize him as much as you would an MtF.
>>5931322
I think that ideals and principles weigh more heavily than practical concerns such as magnitude of oppression, or loss of life. The rights to self-defense and self-expression are so important that, even if they caused more deaths than they prevented, I would still advocate for them.
(deleted my earlier post because it bothered me after re-reading, felt too off-topic and poorly structured.)
>>5931377
I disagree with that. Wars and such are ethically defensible because they prevent greater objective harm. Ideology is irrelevant. It's just belief. If someone BELIEVES that raping and murdering children is the right thing to do, does that make it ethically defensible?
>>5931076
Nothing that can be done about hips or any other bone though.
>>5931471
yeah that's right, one can fix their face but their body will still look manly
fat redistribution is a lie unless you have the right body type (probably endomorph or some shit)
>>5931471
HRT often causes pelvic rotation, and this combined with fat shifting can give you hips. If not there are surgeries, such as fat transfers and 'butt lifts', and even implants if you're that desperate.
>>5917193
How many new bathrooms are they gonna build?
There are 3 in-between categories for ambiguous genitalia... So I guess they'll need to build 3 new restroom facilities everywhere?
>>5931486
That doesn't actually change much, might gain a little bit of with, a bit more with fat transfers, but the hip bones are still not gonna widen.
>>5931555
They don't need to.
>>5931575
>Wide chest and shoulders, with the shoulders far exceeding the width of the hips
>The hips don't need to be wider to look normal
Sure, senpai.
>>5931582
The hips do; the BONES don't.
>>5931591
Show me pics of three MtFs that started post puberty where fat distribution alone was sufficient to overcome man-shoulders.
>>5931467
Admittedly, with that post I sort of misquoted it. The actual term is "universal ethical principles," not ideology, although the two are similar. In any case, there are certainly some circumstances in which raping and murdering children would be ethically defensible, but few if any people would make atrocities against children into universal ethical principles. Anyway, that post was my mistake, sorry.
>>5928076
For what?
What's the actual charge?
>>5929567
>you disagreed with me and that hurts MUH FEELS so that makes you a TERRORIST!
>>5929623
The actual doctors say they're not delusional.
You thinking that your upset feels override actual medicine and science is the real delusion, you should seek psychiatric help for your obvious issues.
>>5931041
I believe that people should be able to access guns but there obviously needs to be protections like background checks, control for mental illness and dangerous criminals, and required tests to prove competency of safety knowledge at least as strict as what people go through for drivers' licenses.
This should be about the public good and safety with common-sense regulation and not some philosophical debate because that leads to places detached from sensible reality. I've literally talked to people around here that have argued that the 2nd amendment should extend to any citizen being able to own nuclear weapons if they can afford them.
>>5931246
>Unrestricted transfers of private ownership have been protected since the country was founded, because it's unreasonable to expect private gun owners to conduct background checks on the friends, family, and neighbors they trade with, and unjust to compel them to do so. There is no justification for hassling private gun owners with excessive regulation, when the whole country has gotten along just fine thus far without it.
Yeah it's just too hard unfair to make it illegal for mentally ill criminals to buy guns without any regulation of oversight :^)
It's not like we regulate other small transfers out of public safety like with food and other goods!
>>5931888
did i say 'i'? o-oops, i m-meant 'my friend'...
>>5931426
>ideals and principles weigh more heavily than practical concerns such as magnitude of oppression, or loss of life
So you would kill everyone in the world to serve your personal morality?
And you're whining about freedom and oppression? lolololol
There's no middle ground for you between all weapons being illegal and absolutely no regulation or control whatsoever of guns and their sale and use?
>>5931863
The second amendment originally was interpreted quite literally. Merchant ships were permitted to bear the same sort of cannons that warships did, because _shall not be infringed_. Nothing serves the public good better than allowing every citizen, every member of the public, the means to defend themselves, in accordance with their natural, God-given right. The constitution does not grant rights, it merely guarantees that the government of the united states WILL recognize the rights already bestowed unto every human being by their creator. Human rights aren't subject to pragmatism, and nobody gets to decide who does and doesn't deserve human rights.
>>5931876
Most of /lgbt/ is mentally ill, and the majority of the population of the united states can be diagnosed with one mental disorder or another. The majority of criminals obtain their firearms from federally licensed firearms dealers or through theft, and less than one percent of criminal firearms are bought at gun shows. Firearms are a tool like any other, and once they're in private ownership they are and should remain the responsibility of the owner, until the owner chooses to transfer ownership, at which point a new owner takes responsibility for the weapon. We do not, and never have, needed government regulation in private gun sales. Literally anyone can perpetrate a mass shooting, you don't need to be mentally ill to do so and the vast majority of mentally ill people are nonviolent. Throwing the rights of private citizens and the mentally ill under the bus just to prevent some boogeyman from obtaining something as common as a gun is absolutely absurd.
>>5931145
Where do 80% receivers fall under this, though? If you were hypothetically to required to buy one from an FFL, at what point is a hunk of metal or plastic not a gun? Would it be judged by a "I know it when I see it" type thing? Obscenity laws haven't done well for free speech, and a similar approach won't do well for the right to arms.
>>5917193
where did you find me pic *stares mistrustfully*
>>5931896
That's what ideals are, and that's what wars are fought over, when they're not being fought over natural resources. If Operation Iraqi Freedom had genuinely been about securing freedom for the Iraqi people, then it would've justified the subsequent loss of life.
>There's no middle ground for you between all weapons being illegal and absolutely no regulation or control whatsoever of guns and their sale and use?
>shall not be infringed
Also, the so-called "sensible" regulations are unnecessary, guns are already regulated to hell and back. Regulations at this point have nothing to do with safety, because nobody's in any significant danger. They're about making it more difficult for the average citizen to obtain firearms, and about chipping away at the population which is allowed to possess firearms until such time as the second amendment is eroded away beneath "common sense" legislation. Wasn't banning automatics enough for you? What about banning concealed carry in cities? It'll never be enough for you because your "common sense" isn't common sense at all, it's rooted in an irrational fear of your fellow countrymen that's honestly pretty gross. /ranting
>>5932058
The definition should be based on function, what it can actually do; that wouldn't be subjective. Like maybe we could have exemptions for things below a given muzzle velocity/energy, to avoid needless restrictions on say toy guns and certain tools which fit the general definition of gun (i.e. something that accelerates a projectile). But anything over that limit would be legally classified as a gun.
>>5931582
Go look at pictures of women, most girls don't have hips wider than their shoulders, it probably like a 80-90% hip to shoulder ration though
>>5932096
shit, i-my friend is still questioning. intense time pressure, fan-fucking-tastic.
>>5932033
So anyone should be able to own and use nuclear weapons with no regulation if they can afford it?
And it would be oppression to try to regulate or stop anyone from obtaining and using nuclear weapons?
I mean you're welcome to hold whatever opinions you want but the majority of the world would wonder if you have autism or some other mental illness.
>Most of /lgbt/ is mentally ill
And all mental illnesses are exactly the same right?
>>5932134
>insane totalitarian dictators have nuclear weapons
>you have to be fabulously rich and successful to be able to own one anyway
whats the problem here?
>>5932076
Wars are also fought to protect people, you don't get to choose for everyone else what cause is more important.
My point is it's hypocritical to whine about muh freedoms being oppressed when you would oppress the freedom to life of everyone else for your own selfish opinions.
You may value the right to own and use any weapon or device of destruction without regulation over everything else in the world but to decide that for everyone else is the height of violation of personal liberty.
>Wasn't banning automatics enough for you? What about banning concealed carry in cities? It'll never be enough for you
Way to assume my views for me like how you want to force your views on everyone else, have fun easily defeating the strawman you've conjured up out of your delusions of what I think.
>>5932076
>Wasn't banning automatics enough for you? What about banning concealed carry in cities? It'll never be enough for you because your "common sense" isn't common sense at all, it's rooted in an irrational fear of your fellow countrymen that's honestly pretty gross. /ranting
What about actually trying to make it difficult for criminals to get guns on the black market, rather than just saying "criminals don't follow laws, so let's not even try to enforce them"?
>>5932101
I didn't say the hips have to be wider than her shoulders, just that they have to be wider to make her look normal given the width of her shoulders. That wasn't entirely clear. As you pointed out, cis women's shoulders and hips are on average far more equal.
>>5932122
At least your friend knows now, senpai. I held back from trying to do anything at 16 because I started orthodontic treatment (braces) then and I didn't want the orthodontist realizing something was up because of the radical changes you can see at that age. It was stupid of me, and I ended up starting at 20.
>>5932140
Because a mentally ill billionaire being able to have and use nuclear arms without regulation or any attempt at control doesn't change the issue of dictators having them, it's just more fuel on the fire.
You can have your fantasies of final battles with your private tanks and nuclear arms but it's hardly oppression for the rest of the world to resist you forcing that on them.
check out this crazy idiot redneck Donald Trump supporter. here is a link to the video:
https://youtu.be/yaFNxV-OJK0
>>5932153
Nah let's just get rid of cops and laws, fuck the government, it'll just be like my video games!
>>5932169
Hip bones fuse in your early 20s, they are the very last bones to stop growing during puberty. With that said you shouldn't expect much from your hips past like 14-16 when you stop growing majorly. I started right at 18 and got a little bit of growth but I was also kind of a late Bloomer and just starting to grow facial hair at the time.
>>5932164
>Because a mentally ill billionaire being able to have and use nuclear arms without regulation or any attempt at control doesn't change the issue of dictators having them, it's just more fuel on the fire.
can you name a mentally ill billionaire?
i can name a bunch of mentally ill heads of government
so who is more dangerous an owner of a nuclear weapon?
>>5932172
at least black lives will finally matter :^)
>>5932134
>And it would be oppression to try to regulate or stop anyone from obtaining and using nuclear weapons?
First of all nuclear weapons are heavily regulated and nuclear countries have a pact.
Secondly it was a democratic president that allowed for Iran (a country that regularly has death to America celebrations) to allow nuclear proliferation. Iran just test fired a few rockets into the gulf last week.
If you want to talk about keeping nuclear weapons out if the hands of dangerous people, well obama surely just handed the nuclear keys to one of the most dangerous loose cannon countries in the world.
>>5932206
Iran hasn't attacked another country in 200 years
>>5932191
But adding more dangerous owners doesn't fix the situation, nuclear arms are a threat to all humanity.
Do you really not want any attempt at regulation or control to prevent your neighbors from using nuclear or chemical or biological weapons on each-other that will kill everyone in the area as collateral infringing on their freedoms to an ultimate extent?
That can certainly be your opinion/view that you're free to hold but forcing it on everyone else infringes on their freedom just as much or more than not allowing you to have nuclear arms infringes on your freedoms, or is freedom not really your concern?
>>5932134
The use of nuclear weapons is difficult to justify as a self-defense measure, except in a case where you were being oppressed by a dramatically superior foe (a nation). Nuclear weapons also aren't owned privately by anyone, it's a moot point because there's nobody willing to sell you a nuke anyway.
Not all mental illnesses are the same, but when you use a general term like that it opens the door for a lot of abuse. Banning the mentally ill from owning firearms is not only inhumane in denying human beings the right to self defense, but it's also opening the door for a huge percentage of the population to be denied their constitutional right without ever having committed any sort of crime.
>>5932149
Wars are fought to kill people, it's very rare for a first-world country to fight a defensive war in this day and age.
>My point is it's hypocritical to whine about muh freedoms being oppressed when you would oppress the freedom to life of everyone else for your own selfish opinions.
I'm not sure why you think I'm out to kill everyone in the world, I don't think there are many situations where that would be at all necessary, let alone feasible. The right to own a weapon doesn't equate to the right to fucking shoot people in the face, anon. Having the means to kill a whole lot of people doesn't mean you're going to exercise those means, and the police force and military is a deterrent against attempting to exercise those means. In the same way, those means are a deterrent against oppression. Having power is not oppression, oppression is in the EXERCISE of power.
The ideals of the majority are comprised of the shared ideals of the individuals that make up that majority, and in this way an individual's ideology is no less valid than a nation's. Just as a nation will pursue its ideological good even at the cost of lives, so too should an individual be willing to do the same should it prove necessary.
>>5932221
as long as there are legitimate uses of nuclear weapons the mere possession of one infringes on no ones freedom
why i wonder is it that you trust the only institution to BOTH use nuclear weapons for directly, horrendously malicious purposes and negligent misuse that has infringed on persons and property to be the regulators of nukes?
>>5932225
>>5932149
Gosh that was a rant. tl;dr the right to keep and bear arms is a part of every person's natural right to self-defense, having the ability to kill people isn't oppression unless it's used to make demands of and threaten others.
Sorry for the strawman, I hereby rescind the strawmannish statements. I was just trying to illustrate how guns have already been "sensibly" regulated time and again, and yet still gun grabbers always insist on a few inches more, because they're never satisfied.
>>5932153
That's not what I was saying at all, but going after private gun sales as if they're a problem is ridiculous. It's like trying to fix a leak on the third floor by cutting water to the fourth floor, it won't address the problem that you claim justifies this action.
>>5932206
The only country to use nuclear weapons in war has no place telling other sovereigns that they can't have nukes.
>>5932233
Possibly because if we didn't trust them, it wouldn't matter anyway because they have nukes and we don't. This is a huge part of why the 2nd amendment is so important, bullies never pick on anybody their own size.
>>5932273
>Possibly because if we didn't trust them, it wouldn't matter anyway because they have nukes and we don't.
do you enjoy this monopoly of extreme force? created, by the way with your own money?
>>5932225
>Nuclear weapons also aren't owned privately by anyone
But I've talked to people around here who say they should be if someone is able to acquire them, do you disagree with that?
I don't actually support banning ALL mentally ill people from owning guns/weapons, just those that pose a present danger to others, my post wasn't meant to be a comprehensive policy description.
I mean, anticipation of and reaction to present danger is part of self-defense too isn't it? If someone pulls a gun out suddenly and points it at your head are you infringing on their freedoms by taking action before they've shot you?
>opening the door for a huge percentage of the population to be denied their constitutional right without ever having committed any sort of crime
But do you even agree with criminals being restricted in their ability to own guns/weapons?
I could take that at face value too and question whether jaywalkers should have their right to guns/weapons revoked but I'd rather just know if you even agree with violent criminals being restricted?
>>5932254
>That's not what I was saying at all, but going after private gun sales as if they're a problem is ridiculous. It's like trying to fix a leak on the third floor by cutting water to the fourth floor, it won't address the problem that you claim justifies this action.
Because if you legalize private transfers between individuals, you're basically LEGALIZING THE BLACK MARKET. There will be no NEED for criminals to even use the black market in that case, since it will be perfectly legal to buy guns commercially and sell them to criminals.
>>5932285
why should people who have served their time be denied the ability to protect themselves?
>>5932298
>I mean, anticipation of and reaction to present danger is part of self-defense too isn't it? If someone pulls a gun out suddenly and points it at your head are you infringing on their freedoms by taking action before they've shot you?
>>5932300
you're comparing the legal definition of assault which is to put someone in fear of bodily injury and taking someone's right to defend himself a priori no matter what he's doing
this bill makes me depressed as fuck. It keeps spreading to more and more states I live in cali but still knowing I live in a society where people don't understand this medical condition is fucked up.
>>5932305
stay rekt statist
>>5932319
well, i mean cali allows birth certificate changes to where when you change it they wouldnt knoe if that was your original or not and since I pass I don't have to worry about this law but the simple fact that this law is fucking pure phobia is depressing.
>>5932303
>in fear of bodily injury
But isn't that just as subjective and murky as issues with restricting and regulating various weapons?
If someone is afraid because you have a gun out and they don't like they way you're looking at them and they think you're of an ethnic/religious group that they think is violent they're free to shoot you?
Neither the person who pulled out the gun in the first example or you in the second have actually shot anyone yet and are just expressing free ownership of guns.
>>5932340
you know how old the common law definition of assault is?
being black is not assault by the hundreds years line of court precedence
its a very silly, sophistic argument
stop trying to aggressagainst others
>>5932389
So if an muslim with a bomb walked up while you're picking up your daughter from school is that covered under their freedom to own weapons without restriction?
Should a doomsday cult be free to own biological weapons?
The current laws and popular interpretations are one thing but I'm just trying to figure out what people's specific personal views are.
>>5932319
>statist
You do realize that just about every successful society ever to exist has been statist? Using "statist" as an insult makes about as much sense as using "composed of matter" as an insult.
>>5932418
"successful"
>>5932284
It'd make me feel safe if I didn't know, historically, that my government had callous disregard for the rights and health of its citizens in the face of a "national security threat."
>>5932285
I understand the fear of one psycho or selfish guy nuking a city full of innocents, and at that point I'm a bit standoffish about an individual owning a nuke... I'm not sure about it practically, although in theory it should be okay.
There's a fine line between being proactive in self-defense, and civil rights abuses. Innocent until proven guilty exists for a reason, and unless they've committed a crime, I really don't think that the mentally ill should be denied weapons although I TOTALLY understand why people wouldn't trust them with guns. I just don't think that you can deny a person their rights because of something entirely not their fault, it'd be like racial discrimination.
Ideally it would be a prison sentence and done, clean slate once you're out. Unfortunately, our prison system happens to harden criminals more than it reforms them, and I can see why the current laws want to prohibit felons from owning firearms. Even so, a felon who's served their time should still have the right to defend themselves, and probably NEEDS a weapon for self defense even more, due to their criminal past and connections, and therefore distinctly more dangerous lifestyle compared to the average person. tl;dr I don't think it's right that we take their guns, but I understand the necessity of it.
>>5932296
>legalize
There's no need to legalize it, it's literally been legal as long as this country has existed. Despite this fact, the black market still exists, and felons get like 99% their guns from stores and theft anyway. Private gun sales are only arming a negligible number of felons, and arming a great deal more of law-abiding citizens. Regulating private gun sales will only discourage private gun sales, and this will hurt law-abiding citizens FAR more than it will criminals
>>5932418
Just about every successful society in history practiced some type of ritual human sacrifice.
>>5932602
they get them from stores and then commit crimes retard
>>5932643
There's still no harm in having background checks - no reason to make it easy for them to KEEP committing crimes.
>>5932647
there's already a federal background check you libshit
>>5932654
I'm aware that there is, I'm just saying having one is a good thing. But from what I've heard it could be streamlined, to make it quicker and make it less likely that out-of-state criminal records will be overlooked.
>>5932602
The Colosseum in Rome, the Scapegoat in Greece, and the burning of "witches" and homosexuals at the stake in early Western Europe and the colonies.
>>5932647
The background checks do technically discourage law abiding citizens from purchasing arms as well, people are less inclined to buy guns when they're hassled over it.
>>5932654
Lol no there's not you idiot. I can walk into a gun store, buy a gun with ammunition, and walk out just like I bought a gallon of milk. The only time paper work would be involved is with fully automatic weapons and even then it's not like it's hard to get them.
>>5932674
How are the 1870s senpai?
>>5932686
pretty peaceful i bet
>>5932674
>I can walk into a gun store, buy a gun with ammunition, and walk out just like I bought a gallon of milk.
Do you want to know how I know you've never purchased a gun or even held one before?
>>5932671
>The Colosseum in Rome, the Scapegoat in Greece, and the burning of "witches" and homosexuals at the stake in early Western Europe and the colonies.
So there hasn't been any successful society formed after 1800? Sure, you might say that they are just continuations of pre-existing societies - but note that they were able to give up human sacrifice, they haven't been able to give up statism.
>The background checks do technically discourage law abiding citizens from purchasing arms as well, people are less inclined to buy guns when they're hassled over it.
Sure, but I think it's justified if it reduces the ability of criminals to obtain guns, discouragement isn't the same as banning. And a centralized database means it's LESS hassle to go through a background check.
>yeah no conflict of interest there
You're always going to have some degree of government regulation of weapons though, even if it's just that children and people in prisons can't exercise the right to bear arms. And indeed, ANY right in our Constitution only has de facto existence so long as the government okays it - there's no magical force field that's going to prevent them from taking away our rights. The Constitution is just a blueprint, a contract of what the government agrees to do - but like any contract, it can be violated.
>>5932711
most have to be grandfathered in yeah, if you have an FFL you can import and manufacture them but they're extremely expensive
>>5932727
constitution ain't shit
>>5932725
I've shot guns before and I own a rifle m8. In the state of Ohio there are no background checks/waiting period.
>>5932727
Well, technically WWI was ritual human sacrifice, sending people to die merely for the sake of honoring pacts with other countries. Even if we're growing out of that though, none of our countries will achieve anything resembling utopia until we outgrow statism as well as human sacrifice.
Discouragement isn't the same as banning, but depending on the extent to which it's discouraged it might as well be. When the government can't outright ban something, they pull sneaky shit like this to make it a hassle to buy/do the thing they don't want you to have/do. Look at NYC and sody-pop a few years back, the drink size legislation BS. Same deal.
The magical force field that protects our rights is called the militia, and there's a reason that they're constitutionally guaranteed their right to keep and bear arms. The government literally CANNOT disarm the militia without violating the constitution, and in violating the constitution they lose the right to govern, and the militia will remove them.
>>5932096
In girls it starts fusing at like 14-16.
Even in males, it's on average completely fused at 18.
>>5931888
Most likely you won't get much hip width, maybe if you're super lucky.
There's a ton of trans girls that started 15-16, that ended up with boy hips.
The major thing is that you'll avoid man shoulders, as they will keep growing even in your early 20's. Your neck might also remain a little thinner, as well as skull might stay a little smaller.
>>5929567
Fucking this, thank you so much.
First it was the bigger businesses "objecting to the bill"
Then it was the San Francisco mayor "banning all city employees from non-essential travel to NC"
I don't know how many of you live here but I can promise you that the average citizen of this state will NOT be on your side. You're better off leaving if it's that much of an issue for you.
This is actually pretty bad for us teachers too. Another part of the state law says that in schools students may only use the bathroom of their biological gender.
The law specifies that only STUDENTS can use student bathrooms. Most faculty bathrooms are tiny one stall affairs that get crowded during break times. I could break the stupid ass law just by taking a piss in a student bathroom.
>>5917612
Homo here, while I do greatly enjoy dicks I'm more attracted to masculinity than anything so FtM are fine by my book.
>>5934074
Teachers should not be going in restrooms with children anyway you fucking pervert
Why not just make it so trannies have to get their ID changed first before they can use the bathroom?
>>5934093
>what is high school
The student bathrooms are far better than the staff bathrooms. The staff bathroom is basically a broom closet they put a toilet into.
>>5929567
If the voters agree so much, why would it block local level anti-discrimination acts that would give homosexuals the right to work? Why would it be the product of an emergency general assembly and not a regular bill?
>>5929567
The entire point, dumbass, is that a city in NC decided to pass a local bill and the state government decided to not only shut it down, but shut down any future bills individual districts would try to put through in an 'emergency' session. The state is limiting the rights of districts to govern themselves.
>The OP is acknowledging that somone who looks like a man should not be going into a womens bathroom.
D-D-D-D-DEEERRRRRRRRP.
Men pretending to be women shouldn't be allowed in a womans bathroom and neither should women with a very good man costume.
If you pass you don't need a law because no one will notice you fucking retards.
How would someone post the OP pic without having thought through the situation fully?
One of the biggest red flags that shows trans isnt real is the total flippant interest trans people have in everything trans. It literally means nothing to any of you.
Aside from the highschool science that shows there's no such thing none of you can explain in any emotional or psychological way why you're a magic two-gender. You understand better than anyone that theres no such thing as trans.
>>5934318
>derp
You must be 18 years or older to post here.
>>5934350
Spectacular tranny level thinking as per usual.
If I'm under 18 then shouldn't you be ashamed someone my age can call out your bullshit?
I'm over 18. Now what happens?
The solution to both of these problems is to stop pretending to be trans.
>>5934112
Because most states don't allow it without first jumping through a number of legal hoops or getting your genitals worked on. Some don't allow it at all. And most of those that do don't explicitly support it, which is why the process can be so impractical and burdensome.
~=UPDATE=~
http://abcnews.go.com/US/aclu-sues-controversial-north-carolina-transgender-bathroom-law/story?id=37976188
>The American Civil Liberties Union and advocacy groups filed a federal lawsuit today in response to a controversial North Carolina law that opponents say discriminates against lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender communities.
>The plaintiffs in the case are Joaquín Carcaño, a transgender man and public health expert at the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill; Payton Grey McGarry, a 20-year-old transgender man and student at the University of North Carolina-Greensboro; and Angela Gilmore, a lesbian who is the associate dean for academic affairs at North Carolina Central University. The suit argues that by requiring the plaintiffs to use bathrooms that don’t align with their gender identity, the state is violating their civil rights.
>The suit, which asks for an injunction to keep the law from being enforced, argues that North Carolina lawmakers are "explicitly writing discrimination against transgender people into state law."
>>5934357
>trannies hurt my feelings and they're not real WAAAHH WWWAAAHHHH
>>5932033
>you don't need to be mentally ill to do so
Unfortunately no, every investigation into mass shooters has found either that they were being treated for a known mental illness or displaying traits of a mental illness that went unrecognized and untreated. Others were under the influence of psychoactive drugs or suffering from other illnesses with mind-altering effects (one kid who was down with the flu ended up shooting his parents in an altered state - I think he got off on insanity).
For example, Elliot Rodgers was being treated for schizophrenia but not taking his medication, and Charles Whitman's autopsy revealed a massive tumor on his amygdala (the organ of the brain that controls anger and fear).
Your argument is that it throws mentally ill people under the bus; I'm gonna counter it by saying that this country has a serious problem with not treating mentally ill people. Having a reason to throw resources at psychiatric treatment, and recognizing mental illness as a problem that is separate from the human who has it, will be a much more effective remedy.
Consider: Some sicko with a gun vs. A violent schizophrenic.
One of those things is just a guy who kills because he likes it. The other is someone with a serious uncontrollable problem which could be addressed through mental health resources. Would you rather have a potential mass murderer be called a sicko or a psycho?
>>5932806
>The magical force field that protects our rights is called the militia, and there's a reason that they're constitutionally guaranteed their right to keep and bear arms. The government literally CANNOT disarm the militia without violating the constitution, and in violating the constitution they lose the right to govern, and the militia will remove them.
Again, the Constitution has no absolute objective power. Whether or not the militia would remove the government has nothing to with the Constitution, it's just human behavior. Or do you think citizens don't overthrow governments in countries without constitutions? Also, even if the government DOES follow the Constitution to the letter, if the people don't like it they can still remove the government.
>>5934318
>Aside from the highschool science that shows there's no such thing
That's why it's HIGH SCHOOL science, idiot, it's an oversimplification. Newtons laws are high school science too, but that doesn't mean I can call up NASA and say "Hey guys, you're educated stupid, according to Isaac Newton your spaceships can go faster than light, all you have to do is leave the engine on."
>>5934780
They're not doing that though, the law applies equally to all people that have a biological sex. It doesn't fucking matter which bathroom you use regardless of if you're trans or cis, and the law *is* retarded, but it's not a civil rights violation.
>>5934802
>displaying traits
If displaying traits were all it took to be "mentally ill" than quite literally every person on the planet would be mentally ill.
>recognizing mental illness as a problem that is separate from the human
It isn't? Mental illness isn't some fundamentally distinct "thing" from mental health, the way cancer is a genetic malady and the flu is a virus. Mental illness is something that, according to the DSM-V, is subjective, it's not an absolute medical condition. That which is a mental illness in an American might NOT be a mental illness in an Ethiopian, by merit of cultural differences. Mental illness isn't separate from human behavior, what we call mental illness IS human behavior, and often thought as well, so it's literal thoughtcrime. I'm not against the mentally ill seeking help in changing themselves, but I am very much opposed to the perception of mental illness as something divorcible from the human being that has it.
Literally everyone is a potential mass murderer, it's far easier to fall into the state of mind that enables you to kill than most people seem to think. A lifetime of being told not to kill isn't enough to erase our nature as predatory animals, made mind and body for the purpose of killing.
>>5936299
Hmm. Sorry for the cringe at the end of that, I usually have a better filter for that sort of thing.
>>5935530
What I was trying to say here is that the founding fathers accounted for the limitations of the Constitution and the power of the government by empowering the people, the militia. They set it up such that the document, the original and highest law which bound the government, made inviolable the right of the People to keep and bear arms, thus ensuring that the militia would remain armed. In this way, the government would have no ability to successfully violate the Constitution, because the militia would always be standing ready to eliminate them. Making it the second amendment in the Bill of Rights made it impossible for the government to protect itself by disarming the militia before violating the Constitution, because disarming the militia IS a violation of the Constitution! It's a trap designed to force the government into obeying Constitutional law, but it only works as long as the People remain vigilant. If the people find the government trampling all over their rights and lack the means to fight back, they'll have only themselves to blame for it, because the whole system was set up in their favor.
>>5936299
>They're not doing that though, the law applies equally to all people that have a biological sex. It doesn't fucking matter which bathroom you use regardless of if you're trans or cis, and the law *is* retarded, but it's not a civil rights violation.
Wait what? Yes the law applies to everyone, but trans people are being discriminated against for not being allowed to use the bathroom corresponding to their gender identity.
>>5917446
>Loose the stupid
>Loose
Wew lad
>>5936448
But it's not a law against trans people, only trans people worry about their gender identity. The only concrete way to keep bathrooms and the public that visits them "safe" is to, finally, make it a law that you use the bathroom that matches your sex. In reality, it doesn't matter which bathroom, but them wanting male and female bathrooms divided by sex is their right. It would be a violation of trans rights if the law said "trans go to trans bathrooms only" or something retarded like that. This law equally protects everyone, except for a few of us who won't feel comfortable but discomfort =/= violating civil rights.
>>5917314
Damn, I would hit that.
>>5936686
>But it's not a law against trans people, only trans people worry about their gender identity.
Uh, no. Cis people care about their gender identity too - a cis woman wouldn't want to be forced to use the men's room any more than a trans woman does. The difference is that this law recognizes the gender identities of cis people but not of trans people. That is discrimination.
>>5936761
It's not a law discriminating with regards to gender identity, it's a law dividing the male and female restrooms by sex. The law does not say "trans people must use the restroom opposite their gender identity" and it doesn't say "cis people must use the bathroom that matches the gender identity." It says that a resident of NC, if they choose to use a public restroom, must use the restroom that matches their biological sex. Sex is the only fair way to do it, because you can't lie about your sex. The law does not and should not recognize gender identities, because they're subjective and falsifiable, and how would they even apply to genderfluid people?
How exactly do they plan to enforce this? require everyone using the restroom to submit their genitals for inspection?
>>5936806
It may not be PHRASED to say it's discriminating against trans people, but that is what it actually DOES. It protects one right of cis people (the right to use the bathroom corresponding to their gender identity) while denying trans people that right.
>>5936858
The letter of the law is what is enforced, and what is addressed when a law is upheld or repealed for being Constitutional or not.
Anyway, the law does not refer to nor does it recognize gender identities, which exist only in the mind, or gender-specific behavior. The law ONLY recognizes and only discriminates between the male and female sexes, and divides restrooms accordingly. The fact that cis people's gender identities correlate with their sex is only incidental to the law.
I admit that the law is silly, and that it shouldn't matter where you shit. But if they're going to draw a line, they should draw it at sex, which is clear-cut and undeniable, rather than something like gender identity, which exists only in the mind and can only be verified by a shrink.
>>5936944
Title IX applies to gender identity and federal law trumps state law, they are endangering their federal funding.
>>5936944
>The letter of the law is what is enforced
Yes, and the enforcement happens to grant cis people a right that is denied to trans people.
>>5936986
tbqh I didn't actually read the law myself, I was just going off of what I've read so far in the thread. If part of the law actually says "fuck trans ppl lmao" then that's a different story.
>>5937007
It's not a right though, not every law is a civil rights issue. There is no civil right to use the damn bathroom, regardless of if you're trans or cis or a dolphin. The law is only concerned with sex, and because it exists ONLY in the mind of trans people it's ONLY on us that we're discriminated against.
Although, that other anon brought up that part of the law might have actually mentioned trans people, in which case it might actually be a discriminatory law.
>>5937070
The federal title IX makes it illegal to discriminate based on sex unless an institute gets a title IX exemption, such as an all female school. But the federal government includes gender identity under sex. Bathrooms are also considered to be a medical neccesity, that is why a business has to allow employees bathroom access. Thus if they want to recieve federal funding, which is a large portion of their budget, they must allow students to use the correct bathroom.
>>5937414
Oh, is that what it was? Sorry for misunderstanding, and thanks for clarifying.
Anyway, bathrooms may be a medical necessity, but nobody's saying you can't use the bathroom. They're saying that you should only be allowed to use the correct bathroom, which is the bathroom that fits your biological sex, not whichever bathroom you want, which would be the one that matches your gender identity. Gender is an important thing, don't get me wrong, but it still only exists in your mind and in your presentation, it's not something tangible like your biological sex or your race. It's also not preventing you from doing anything except using the one bathroom that NOBODY ELSE born with your sex can use. It's literally just where you shit, nobody should care where you shit, but neither should you. If you have to use the male/female restroom it really doesn't make any difference, it's not like it's a trans-only bathroom or something.
