Do you think that sissy and forced fem fetishes are mysogynistic in nature?
There's a lot of people that object to it when it comes to the fact that they {sissies} get off to being degraded through feminization, as if femininity itself is something they should be ashamed of.
Homosexuality is misogynistic in nature so who cares?
>muh soggy knees
>>5812272
everything involving women is misogynistic, because they hate themselves and each other.
>>5812272
>Do you think that sissy and forced fem fetishes are mysogynistic in nature?
Yes because of exactly the reasons you stated. There's nothing wrong or shameful in femininity. Only prideful guys who look down on women feel humiliated in fear that they will be looked down upon for being effeminate. The only thing I can remotely understand to be erotic would be if a guy would be made to be a receiving partner rather than a giving one/raped, etc. But putting on a good damn skirt or wearing a wig? Really?
>>5812463
Why does it bother you? If they like it why do you have to have an opinion?
Yeah it's pretty sexist. Obviously not all crossdressing for sexual purposes is tho, just shit like forced feminization where it's for the purpose of humiliation. I wouldn't really judge someone for having said fetish though, sure it's based in misogyny, but most people can't change their internal biases(or change what they're turned on by), so as long as they don't let it affect how they treat other people I wouldn't judge them for it.
I've seen a few crossdresser/sissies/traps on tumblr and such that acknowledge that what they're doing is misogynistic though and they don't behave like that around women outside their sex life. So they're just fantasizing about a different reality really and it doesn't mean they're normally mysoginists.
I think is just an immature outlet for submissiveness that's why it starts so extreme with the whole sissy stuff but once you start to give that side of yourself more space it becomes more peaceful
It's not misogynistic. The degradation doesn't come for having to look and act like a woman, but to look and act like someone of the opposite gender + acting like a bimbo, which is genderless.
Feminization comes with two flavours. One is for males, usually heterosexual, who doesn't have any kinks related to crossdressing; which usually involves submission and worship to females. It doesn't matter if the male is heterosexual, feminization involves homosexual acts (degradation by forcing to homosexualism) and sissification (degradation by being forced to act feminine), including some humiliation to the masculinity of the male.
The other one for males with crossdressing kinks. Dressing and acting like a girl because panties are sexy and dresses are pretty doesn't seems like a misogynistic thing. Actually, besides cultural references, these things aren't necessary related to the females.
Crossdressing doesn't have anything to do with women as a gender, but with the clothes that are usually associated by them.
>>5812272
Who cares? If the people doing it enjoy it and it's something they do privately, I suggest everyone else just keeps out of it.
>>5812272
I wouldn't call it misogynistic as that would imply there is a dislike of femininity. The key to masochistic emasculation fetish is that the humiliation comes from the fact all the actions involved are things attributed to females DESPITE the fact you're a male.
It's not degrading because being a female is something to be ashamed of, it's degrading because they're actually a male doing these female things.
>>5814120
To be fair, that's the essence of misogyny. A male doing "female actions" is shameful and taboo, but the converse isn't.
>>5814137
I don't agree. You see, the sissified man isn't equal to a women. Actually, he is inferior to them, usually, are the woman who has the authority. Sissies must obey, pleasure and worship his women more than anything else, including him.
In this scenario, the woman doesn't change her identity. They are pretty much the same, her femininity isn't degraded, actually, it's praised.
>>5812794
yeah it allows people to express their repressed fem side and once they accept themselves they stop watching lol. It can't hypnotize you that is pseudo science/magic bullshit.
>>5812272
It's homophobic, misogynistic and misandrist all at once.
But it's a fetish, so as long as it's mutual or within the confines of porn, who the fuck cares?
>>5814235
>Forced feminization is overwhelmingly gender specific.
I disagree. There are feminization for women too. While men's feminization is usually done by a mistress, is a master who usually doms a woman in order to be feminized. I won't say both are performed exactly the same, but essentially is the same.
>There's a reason you'll find massive amounts of material online about men being humiliated through feminization and no material or almost no material of women being humiliating through masculinization.
First, we should consider the amount of porn made for men than for women. Second, we aren't talking about masculinization, but feminization, among both men and women.
I have to recall, just as feminism, feminization seems to have a connotation regarding females. If you want to educate yourself or others, you should consider changing the term of feminization for sissification. Both are exactly the same (by being stricts with the terms, feminization is more a fantasy, while sissification is the will and the action).
At the end, feminization is genderless, is the decision one accepts to be loyal, submissive, and obedient about that one we love, no matter if is a woman or a man. It's not our decision to chose. Sissies shouldn't discriminate, or even try to impose our thoughts and desires to others. We think women, that woman who is taking care of us, is the most lovely thing we have, and we should take care of her, and accept whatever they want.
>>5814363
>That doesn't really change the point of my post.
Of course not! Why I wouldn't want to change your point!?
>There are female dogs who mount other dogs too, but the fact remains that mounting is simulation of the male / penetrative role in sex, and it is used, non-sexually, as a behavioral symbol of domination.
Why are you comparing the actions of animals with the actions of humans? Unlike animals, humans can rationalize, and all this feminization stuff requires humans who can think and rationalize, not acting like dogs in heat.
>Dominance is masculinity and submission is femininity
Are you sure you aren't the one who is sexualizing? Dominance can come from anyone, regardless of their gender. Submission too.
Feminization is forcing the dominant into submission, this is very unlikely to happen, it's just a fantasy, and probably illegal if performed to someone. What people do is sissification, the desire to be submissive. Just like BDSM, it has its own rules, it's a roleplay, it's fun and doesn't discriminate :)
>>5814137
That's complete bullshit. You sound like one of those professional victims.
>>5812272
It's not necessarily misogynistic because the fetish is emasculation, not feminization per se. What gets people hard is the complete loss of power that their male identity holds, which is implied in feminization. If women were assumed to be just as powerful, no one would get hard
>>5812891
>are pretty doesn't seems
What you guys call emasculation can be just another outlet for submissiveness or a more delicate personality, I don't think the emasculation theory describes the actual causes because the term itself its too culturally biased and asumes that a man should adhere to the current (or any) gender norms otherwise he must have developed a condition.
>>5814522
>Because they provide an unbiased look at behavior unpolluted by the artificial social stuff people try to blame differences in behavior between the sexes on.
This would probably work in other subjects, but we aren't talking about the human nature. We are talking about human fetishes, and these are formed by our culture, by the things we have created.
>You can't say "women only act submissive because of patriarchal society conditioning them to be that way" if we can point to male and female sex roles being used by non-human animals non-sexually as a way to show dominance over another.
I think you are talking about something completely different to the topic. Feminization doesn't involve accepting that all men are dominant and all women, submissive. This whole fetish is genderless and it seems you don't want to accept this. Are you reading my comments completely? I am having this feeling you aren't.
>And so it makes it pretty clear femininity has an inherent submissive nature to it since dogs made to adopt the receptive position in mounting behavior are being dominated by others.
And this is the reason comparing humans to animals about these things isn't pretty clever. You see, while your example may seem right, there are a lot of animals, and each one shows their dominance in different ways. Next time, use mantis, dolphins, or fishes.
>>5814522
>artificial social stuff
omg
you're fucking stupid bruh. Just because modern socialization is different from the way humanity would be in the wild living in caves doesn't mean its artificial. As every human society becomes more modern they slowly move towards equality, and the idea of equality wasn't invented by aliens or some other species that planted the idea in our head. There's no such thing as "artifical social structures", they're real ones, and they're how people react under circumstances. If you tossed a person off a cliff they'd yell, if you put some at the bottom of the ocean they'd drown, that doesn't mean human nature is one of constant yelling and drowning.
>>5812351
No it isn't. That would imply women are owed sex by men, which they aren't.
>>5814536
It's true though. Women can get away with being masculine a lot easier than men can get away with being feminine. TERFs are the only ones who think it's easy to be a feminine male.
I apparently use my time to write token responses to dumb old questions on dumb old websites -
There are a bunch of ways to looks at this and they're all irrelevant to about anything. I knew this before I wrote this stupid post.
You could interpret it as misogynistic, but in this way it's only really symptomatic. Being 'feminized' feels degrading because that's already what it would be. If being masculine is less degrading by the absence of 'pretty' or 'weak' feminine gendered attire and behavior, however, then it immediately follows that the effect of forced fem/sissy fetish could be negligible or argued as positive - if the subject is male, then his 'maleness' becomes irrelevant as he becomes feminized and objectified. However, his satisfaction also relies to an extent on the social mechanism that deems the act degrading - so his motivation, of course, to change this could be called into question in response to the potential positive argument.
But then, while he (oh, side note: I'm only addressing male subjects, here) gets pleasure from the "negative" aspect of humiliation, he's also deriving pleasure from his feminization itself which also applies an associated positive stimuli to his being feminized itself.
So seeing it as inherently misogynistic is kind of contradictory, and also kind of asserts gender roles and in doing so could ironically reinforce what it's ostensibly opposing. And this argument is actually not that common, but there's always more than one person who'll agree with something. Basically criticism that could be (and probably is) leveled at transgender stuff at core, as well.
As a bisexual male with those fetishes, I can say for certain that they're not rooted in any overt or (as far as I know) misogynistic tendencies. Bending gender norms can be fun in a great variety of ways, and the humiliation/degradation aspect is just one. In feminization, it is not that women are seen as inferior, (far from it, it is often a woman doing the feminizing) it's that a man dressed as a woman is seen as inferior. This is the source of the humiliation from which the practitioner's pleasure is derived. Much of the appeal lies in this pure idea of the unnatural, perverse, and pathetic. The rationale goes: a "true" man would not allow himself to be feminized, thus a feminized man is not a "true" man, and so the interior truth of this not-man is painted on the surface for all to see. Hence, the humiliation.
>>5812272
It's a result of a culture of sexism but if you do it in private and keep it to yourself there's nothing to be ashamed of.
All of queer ideology is closely tied with deep running misogyny really. Radfems have it figured out. See how viciously they're being persecuted as "TERFs" for merely challenging trans dogma, even if it's a feminist transwoman criticizing trans dogma.
>>5814235
This anon knows what (presumably) she's talking about.
>>5812272
Who cares
Women aren't people.
>>5816772
>Women aren't people
Regardless of your personal feelings towards women, that's objectively and blatantly false.
>>5817560
it's cute that you think that
>>5814598
Actually they are. They are programmed to want to have sex with women and protect them. Homosexuality is misogynistic.
>>5812272
no, its misandristic cause men aren't allowed to be non manly by the societal norms
its not humiliating to be a woman, quite the contrary, but its humiliating and shameful to be an emasculated man
>>5817678
'People' refers to members of the human species. And if women weren't members of the human species, we wouldn't be here to talk about it.
>>5817693
> They are programmed to want to have sex with women and protect them.
That's true for the majority of men, but that doesn't mean anyone is owed sex.
>>5812272
>There's a lot of people that object to it
Too bad, people can do whatever they want with their bodies. Stop sissy shaming.
>>5812272
That's why I take don't take offense (anymore) when people try and "humiliate" me for my feminine characteristics.
I don't revel in the "humiliation"; that's the skin it wore based on my previous conceptions. I revel in being feminine and being noticed as feminine. If they try to humiliate me for it, it's their own ignorance.
>>5817693
>>5818599
DUBZ
>>5817775
This so fucking much. If anything, sissy fetishism idealizes femininity and puts it on a pedestal while also demonizing masculinity. This is why a considerable amount of sissies get dysphoria and turn into MtFs. They get a taste of a rudimentary sense of femininity and they end up wanting more in order to be fulfilled.
I'm surprised feminazis aren't using it as a means to dismantle masculinity and turn impressionable young boys into harmless effeminate cucks.
IDK from where the humilliation factor comes in, but a big part of the fetish is made outta factors similar to those of female sexuality. part of the appeal to me comes from feeling sensual, feeling intensely desired (women also get off to the fact that they are desired, in opposition to men who get off more to the object of desire), and being dominated (evolutionarily women needed to have dominant partners so that they could protect them and their offspring). So in a way sissy fetishism is an expression of female-like sexual impulse and a way to express them.
>>5812272
Depends.
If someone gets off on wearing girl clothes not because they want to be degraded but because of the taboos involved in a man wearing woman's clothing, I don't see it as misogynistic.
>>5818599
>>5823543
>I'm surprised feminazis aren't using it as a means to dismantle masculinity and turn impressionable young boys into harmless effeminate cucks.
>hue hue hue
>>5814537
Good response.
>>5814571
The very idea of feminization is a cultural construct. Being a sissy jizzrag requires that the person in question is situated in a culture that understands sex as an act of social value, understands certain clothes to be "girlish" - not only effeminate but also childlike, understands that effeminacy is defined by comparison to a more masculine figure, etc.
>asumes that a man should adhere to the current (or any) gender norms otherwise he must have developed a condition
The very fact it is a fetish makes it an Other to culture, some deviation from its norm outside of it. Otherwise, it would not be a fetish, it would be the norm or it would not be known (e.g., that one /v/ anon who jerks off to mosiac tiles).
>>5823768
Does that mean my urge to have heterosexual in the missionary position isn't a fetish ?
