So why do people go after Christians who say homophobic things but when Muslims do it the same people turn around and defend the Muslims by saying it's just their culture?
Why are you gay, infidel?
Christians suck, Muslims rule.
NWO - New Wahhabi Order
We need to have another HC in europe without the expansion. Just cooperation.
>>5733735
>HC
Hang Christians?
>>5733702
>clearly never visited /lgbt/
idk why do you post this here, we are the most anti-islam board there is.
>>5733744
holocaust i think.
>>5733817
I wasn't referring to /lgbt/
They don't, that's just a strawman
>>5733702
Because LGBT issues are championed by the social left wing, which means there's a certain unwritten assumption that - since you're being defended by the left - you must agree with leftist politics on everything or be a traitor to your own kind.
And right now, social leftism is OBSESSED with the evils of everything tangentially connected to western culture. They're right in that Europeans are responsible for many terrible things, but they're still working from this archaic "heroes vs. villains" mindset, so they figure that - since the west are "the bad guys" - every other culture that the west has done ill to are "the good guys", not in spite of their lack of privilege but because of it.
So you have this inherent hypocrisy in the social left, where they support LGBT rights on one hand, but decry any legitimate complaint of non-western cultures that execute LGBT people as racism, even if the complaints come from people living within those cultures (in which case it's internalized racism).
tl;dr the left is just as ruled by Stinerian spooks as the right, but they hide it a little better. "Left vs. Right" is itself an illusory distinction made up by society. There is only one political spectrum, and it's authority vs. autonomy. But if the population is kept busy arguing about arbitrary left/right issues, they will never stop and think about how manufactured it all is (whether the manufacturing is done by an actual manufacturer(s) or the whims of the Zeitgeist, or some combination thereof, is ultimately irrelevant).
>>5733702
When people think of Christians they tend to visualize white people from the southern US. When people think of Muslims they think of brown people fleeing a war zone. That's why it's socially acceptable to point out the flaws in Christian culture but not Islamic culture
>>5734010
Tl;dr Christians are expected to know better than non-occidental cultures
>>5734014
I also think it has to do with the fact a lot of american gays were brought up christian or vaguely christian (aka celebrating christian holidays, maybe going to church once in awhile, talking about christian heaven when someone dies, etc.) and therefore feel more comfortable criticizing it because of the familiarity.
Except they don't.
Also muslims are a single digit percentage of the population and don't actually write the legislation in any north american country except in collaboration with regressive christfags.
>>5733702
ask on /pol/
They dont, Muslims dont get a pass. Its just in america we shouldn't give massive fucks about countries that run their shit governments by religion. In america the problem with homophobia pretty much all comes from a white trash culture that clings to bibles and shits themselves over fags holding hands. If we are going to care about world LGBT problems we would be looking at a whole lot more than just Muslims
>>5734067
You can easily check polls worldwide and see it has little to do with religion and mostly to do with being countries that skipped the enlightenment.
Turkey is less homophobic than Russia or the arab world. Thailand, India, and Burma are just as bad as their muslim majority neighbors. Indonesia isn't very different but is about half and half muslim and hindu.
On the other hand most of latin america (majority catholic) is significantly less homophobic than the southern baptist and mormon infected parts of the US, demographics that any victorious Trump campaign would have to rely on.
>>5734048
Good thing she was also against gay marriage until after her stint as SecState and generally a family values centrist through the 90s.
>>5734090
>Good thing she was also against gay
>was
She still is. The fact that she took action to stop gay marriage but just sat back and did nothing to legalize it shows that she's just in the closet about her homophobia. If she truly changed she would have *done* something
It's just the way politics have gone lately. Minorities are a hot topic and liberal white people tend to have a god complex and want to help all the minorities. They'll ignore any stupid shit the minorities do and toss it up to cultural misunderstanding.
Lol, muslims would summarily hang you all.
According to the left, any criticism of majority nonwhite cultures constitutes racism, and racism is the more important boogeyman to the typical leftist than homophobia.
I remember back when I was at the cucked liberal college I went to, the topic of Islam once came up and I mentioned the clear pattern of homophobia Islamic culture exhibits. I was told "that's racist."
In short, when the leftist brain tries to square the circle of nonwhite cultures doing things that contradict some other value of theirs, they usually cope by abandoning the value in contention. After all only evil whites are responsible for anything bad that happens in the world.
>>5734246
>tfw when gays are technically a minority
>>5734289
>According to the left
[citation needed]
>>5734253
So there are absolutely no gay people in Muslim countries?
>>5734289
>According to the left, any criticism of majority nonwhite cultures constitutes racism, and racism is the more important boogeyman to the typical leftist than homophobia.
This is an oversimplification, some people do see it that way, but really it's more that a lot of the popular opposition to Muslims really does appear to be blatant racism/xenophobia. I recognize how regressive Muslim culture is, but a lot of the anti-Muslim types I encounter online hate women and gays almost as much as the Muslims themselves do. And hatred of people who are different is never really a solution to anything.
>>5733702
Because at least where I live, Muslims haven't been trying to make their religious beliefs into law the way Christians have. And yes, Muslims apparently have a higher rate of violent crime than whites, but that honestly doesn't seem like a logical reason to ban them from the country. Men have a higher rate of violent crime than women, but no one thinks we should ban them from the country. Saying that letting Muslims into your country means you want gays to be killed is equivalent of saying letting men into your country means you want women to be raped. I know I sound like a radfem here, but this is just the way I see it when I look at it logically. And I would think that removing all men from the country would reduce the violent crime rate more than removing all Muslims, so it's logically inconsistent. Both would of course violate our anti-discrimination principles (yes, anti-discrimination LAWS don't apply to people who aren't citizens yet, but it seems inconsistent/hypocritical to ban people from entering based on their race/gender/religion etc, when our laws forbid discriminating based on those categories).
>>5733702
Because it's easy for someone to criticize Christians when they've grown up among them and been shit on by them, and just as easy to defend Muslims when they've never lived in a country with a Muslim majority population (while not being Muslim themselves, or being openly gay, or pro-women's-rights, etcetera etcetera).
>>5733818
That´s what you interpreatet.
*aimed the wrong*
>>5734462
This is the arguement brainwashed leftist subhumans use. You have your answer here OP.
>>5734462
You are the most brainwashed person I have ever seen on a chan and I have been browsing for 5 years. Congratulations. Level 100 leftist mental gymnastics at work. Your mind is entirely purged of wrongthink
>>5733702
there are basically a ton of brainwashed people here
i find it laughable when tripfag trannies (who incidentally are also the worst posters on this board) vehemently defend the very people who would string them up on a tree. SJWs are a cancer on leftist parties and it pains me to see a real liberal like bernie need to pander to them
>>5734462
Your arguement has so little basis on reality I do not even know where to begin, it is so surreal that it's mere existance is creating dimensional anomalies. Reading it makes cancerous growths form in my brain. You are a tranny aren't you?
>>5737991
touche, guess I need to scroll down first. but at least there is no trip...
>>5734462
8/10 bait mate
>>5734462
This seems reasonable based on your experience. To be honest, my experience with muslim tolerance is entirely based on how socialized the particular person I'm talking to is. If we share common friends or if they've spent a lot of time outside the immigrant community (the vast majority of muslims I know are 2nd gen immigrants,) they're liberal or moderately conservative on lgbt issues. If they're loners or don't have many non-muslim friends they tend to be anti-gay, but quiet about it (probably a function of living in a fairly liberal area).
As far as other countries, it reaaaaaaaaaaaaally depends on which country you're talking about.
>>5738042
Moderate Muslims do not know anything about their own religion so they are hardly muslims. Also the vast majority of 2nd generation muslims are radical, some even more so than their parents. Moderate Muslims can also be radicalised extremely easily, the bombers of Paris were such "moderate" Muslims. One of them, a woman, had naked photos of her on social media and was a massive slut. She got radicalised within 1 month.
>>5738068
Also jihadi John was a moderate from UK. He had non-muslim friends and studied at a university. Fellow students describe him as a likable and quiet person.
>>5734010
Liberals are not left wing
>>5737935
>>5737959
>>5737991
>>5737997
>>5738041
nice arguments
>>5738068
>Moderate Muslims do not know anything about their own religion so they are hardly muslims
How is this not a no true scotsman argument? Is there ANY religion that all of its followers follow completely to the letter?
>>5738382
Unless you mean liberals in the European economic sense (which I don't think is what they were talking about), the terms are generally used interchangeably except by hardcore radical leftists (who are a very small portion of the overall left-wing group)
>>5733702
I am muslim and I have beaten up two gay guys in my life and didn't get in trouble for it thanks to my religious and cultural background, which I thank Allah for. One of the gay guys used to be a friend of mine (didn't know he was gay), when he told me he is gay and that he loves me, I panicked and just beat him up pretty hard, broke his nose and busted his lips. This was all when I was younger and more violent. I am calmer now and would just ignore gay people. I browse this board every now and then to see how misguided you people are, may Allah have mercy on your souls.
At least in America you can shoot them in self defense. In Europe you can't do shit about them.
Because Islamisation are an oppressed minority and Christians are the patriarchal oberlords
I hate luberals
>>5738544
>>5738544
Another crusade is coming so you will get yours.
>>5738068
>Moderate Muslims do not know anything about their own religion so they are hardly muslims.
By that standard, the only real christians are southern baptists and trad catholics.
>>5738463
American liberals do not and have never had a left wing program. They line up almost perfectly with european liberals on literally everything.
You can at best make a case that progressives, which isn't interchangeable, are center left.
>>5738586
>t. I am very easily baited and possibly autistic
>>5738072
The recruiting base for ISIS is almost entirely the same profile as school shooters in the US, except for the religion. And a lot of them are adult converts anyway.
>>5737985
Christians are more likely to string me up in a tree than shia muslims, hth
>>5738602
name the most recent documented case of christians stringing up some lgbter in a tree (or tossing them off a tall building, etc.)
>>5733702
>why do people attack [false religion] then turn around and defend [true religion]
Gee I don't know.
>>5740231
Name the most recent case of Muslims doing that sort of thing in a western country.
>>5740231
loads of Black African Christians beat gays to death. There are videos on /b/ with gays getting tied together and petrol poured on them.
>>5740312
Savages adhere to all sorts of creeds, yet they are united in their savagery.
>>5740337
Christianity has zero, ZERO moral credibility. This is a religion that motivated people to burn others alive in the Middle Ages and sent off crusaders who LEGIT ate babies, and whose priests molest young boys (Catholicism) and rape young girl wives (Mormonism)
>>5740231
It shouldn't be too hard to google places like Russia, South Africa and Uganda
Also abrahamic religions a shit.
>>5740370
>Also abrahamic religions a shit.
this, feeling spiritual is nice, but there's really not even that much spirituality in that garbage
>>5734010
everyone is responsible for terrible things, no one is innocent
>>5734014
>When people think of Muslims they think of brown people fleeing a war zone
What about terrorists and Osama Obama?
>>5740337
>>in a western country
Yes, because that's the only valid comparison. There aren't any third-world christian theocracies, so using third-world islamic is unfair - it doesn't really isolate the religion as the significant difference.
Americans hate eachother.
>>5740363
i'll tip my fedora harder than you any day of the week so don't pretend i'm trying to be some le christians are great. they are merely civil.
>>5740585
false. the argument is whether it's ok for muslims to be homo/transphobic because "it's just their culture" that advocates violence against GSMs
>2016
>believing in a copy+paste of Zoroastrianism adopted by sandniggers
Why would anyone do this?
>>5740814
>false. the argument is whether it's ok for muslims to be homo/transphobic because "it's just their culture" that advocates violence against GSMs
That was never being argued. That's equivalent to arguing "it's okay to rape and murder people as long as I enjoy it."
Islam is a religion of peace
christianity is the root of all evil basically
>>5740394
>What about terrorists and Osama Obama?
In the places where people think of those two things when they think of Muslims, the inverse of OP's question is true. Not everyone lives where conservatives are in charge and for those who don't, like OP and a lot of us here, we live in a place where people are socially allowed to openly criticize Christianity but have no outlet to criticize Islam. Threads like these help us deal with those frustrations without the fear of becoming social pariahs for breaking a taboo. The threads about how awful Christianity is may be where you want to go if you're in a conservative heavy part of whatever country you're from
>>5741733
>and in fact in Europe they literally tell women not to appear so rapeable to the immigrants
That's honestly not anything new. That's the standard response the authorities give when there's a concern that they can't adequately protect people from being raped. They said the same thing in some American city a year or two ago after a widely reported rape happened. They're quick to resort to victim blaming when it means they don't have to accept responsibility for being unable to do their job.
>>5740834
>Invoking the current year
>Pretending your racism against middle easterners is an enlightened dismissal of all Abrahamic religions
There's a difference between being Muslim as a religion versus an ethnicity. Similar to how some Jews aren't religious.
Being ethnocentric is shitty, but skewering shitty religious views is OK as far as I'm concerned.
The main failing of socialist Afghanistan and republican Spain is almost the same.
Neither killed enough priests. But they tried their best.
>>5733702
As a legit tumblrite, I think homophobe muslims are a huge problem, and should be sent to reeducation camps.
