I'm doing a survey on people's opinions of feminism on multiple websites with differing ideals, such as 4chan and reddit.
Your responses don't have to be long or thorough, but it would be best if you would answer truthfully.
Post your age, gender, and occupation (put student if you are still in education), and answer these questions:
1)What does feminism mean?
2)Are you a feminist? Why or why not?
I very much appreciate any participation!
1) Equality between all genders and groups. It should explore intersectionality and examine marginalized different groups and criticize power structures.
2) yah
>>5713536
1) depends on where you are at. In some places it means equality, in others it means kill all men.
2) nah
26, journalist, male taking estrogen as HRT.
1. More privileges for women.
2. I am not a feminist because I am not a woman and therefore can't benefit from feminism.
>>5713536
1) Equality between genders
2) Hard to answer. I do like many feminist ideals, but I don't like where western feminism is headed. Considering its current state, no.
20, male, NEET
1) equal treatment for all genders including the bad and good
2) Yes, I don't tell people that though because everyone seems to have a different definition of what it means
18, man, home remodeling apprentice
Fighting for the rights of women.
No. Because,
1. Feminism only fights to make women equal to men, not men equal to women.
2. Because I'm not a faggot that needs to put a laundry list of labels on me, and I don't need to label myself to believe in treating people equally
20, mal, student
1.)The advocacy of women’s rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.
2.)No. I'm a gay male so the movement has nothing to offer me.
>>5713536
1) Feminism is strengthening women's position in society.
2) No. I would have been all for it a couple of decades ago when women were actually opressed, but I think we reached a point of balance a long time ago and giving women more privileges is unfair at this point.
18, ftm, student
1. believing women should have the same rights and privileges as men, and shouldn't be discriminated against or disrespected in general society because of their gender
2. no, but i support them fully. i don't really think men should call themselves feminists and i don't want to be super vocal about it myself (for obvious reasons)
>>5713732
I forgot. 21, male, student.
>>5713713
>1. Feminism only fights to make women equal to men, not men equal to women.
i dont think you know what "equal" means
>>5713536
22, m student
1) depends on where you are at. In some places it means equality, in others it means inequality
2)Not really, the movement has strayed too far from being about equality. I do agree with it's main ideas. With that said, I'm an egalitarian
>>5713743
fem·i·nism
[ˈfeməˌnizəm]
NOUN
the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.
synonyms:
the women's movement·the feminist movement·women's liberation·female emancipation·women's rights·women's lib
>>5713743
by making women equal to men you are also making men equal to women
haven't you ever heard the phrase "gender is a social construct"?
>>5713536
1) A large collection of theory, history, literature, political movements, ideologies associated with things like critical gender theory, patriarchy theory. The common thread in this collection is the championing of women's perspectives and women's liberation.
2) No, men and women are not the same so why treat them the same? It makes sense for men and women to have different roles and goals in life. Why make this that are unique, opposing, and good the same? Instead of making society a complex interconnection of different walks of life it's goal is everything the same and remove all that depth and complexity from life.
>>5713828
Oh and 21, male, student
>>5713828
>No, men and women are not the same so why treat them the same? It makes sense for men and women to have different roles and goals in life. Why make this that are unique, opposing, and good the same? Instead of making society a complex interconnection of different walks of life it's goal is everything the same and remove all that depth and complexity from life.
In many ways they ARE the same though, and it doesn't make sense to have different rules for each gender except when a gender difference is actually relevant to a situation. And there's numerous differences between individuals of the same gender, yet the same gender norms are applied to all of them. Subdividing people into different groups socially actually LIMITS the depth and complexity, because it means someone is a woman or man first and an individual second. On the other hand, "treating everyone the same" is a necessary condition for treating people as individuals.
>>5713536
1. trolling right-wing or centrist "liberals" with my epic moderate-left beliefs on gender
2. yes, because non-feminists are more infuriating than feminists on any relevant shit. "tumblr feminists" included.
>>5713536
1) Today, in the Western world, supporting gender egalitarianism is basically a given. The people who call themselves 'feminists' today justify that label by making a big fuss about things they believe to be an improvably subtle form of discrimination, while at best ignoring, or in some cases acting as apologists for, societies in which there is genuine oppression of women.
2) No. I believe in gender egalitarianism, but the people who are fighting for that today are not feminists, they're human rights advocates.
>>5713536
23, student, mtf
1) Depends on what you mean.
2) No. Because feminism is a jew tool to divide men and women, make the state more powerful, and ultimately weaken the morale of men, who would otherwise not stand for bullshit government that fucks over our country. To be fair though, uber-conservative religion influenced by the jewish outlook has also distorted natural relations between the sexes. They play both sides.
>>5713896
>is a tranny
>complains about jew tools
>1)What does feminism mean?
the definition has changed from equality under the law for women to affirmative action, anti-male activism and a route for the sad women it produces to constantly have an axe to grind.
>2)Are you a feminist? Why or why not?
No, because equality under the law has already been achieved and in some cases men are even disadvantaged. Modern feminism is trying to propose there's absolutely no differences between men and women besides biology (which actually matters a whole helluva lot).
>>5713536
29
Woman
Underling of management for a company that programs custom systems for other companies.
1) It initially meant reaching parity with men for women. I still believe in that equality for everyone.
2) Obviously, I still do for reasons above. I think in most societies, men and women deserve the same rights and the same chance. I don't believe in lowering the bar for anyone but I think acknowledging where certain people were left behind and helping them is important.
>>5713766
I don't think you understand. Making women equal to men and making men equal to women means the same thing. They are equal either way.
>>5713536
24, biomed research, grad school too if it matters, faggot using estrogen and other meds for five years now but I 'identify' as male/don't want to be a woman so make of that what you will.
1. It's tricky, ideally it's supposed to be about equality, letting people reach their full potential and making sure nobody is discriminated for who they are. In practice though, radicals have turned the movement into scapegoating anyone who's different. Blaming everything that's wrong on them and working with the religious right to vilify anyone different.
2. I believe in those core principles, but watching the movement betray them and go after anyone who's different lgbt included, I can't support it. It's just like how Christianity ended up getting twisted into getting rid of the different.
And it doesn't matter because as radicals would be happy to tell you, only women are allowed to weigh in on these discussions, lgbt isn't wanted and they've made it abundantly clear by trying to get rid of them. I'm just not going to get involved asides from explaining why I won't.
>>5713981
Incorrect. Making women equal to men is giving women rights that men have and women don't. It isn't making men and women equal to each other, it's making women equal to men. As seen in the definition I posted above, feminism is the fight for making women equal to men by advocating women's rights. Men's rights feminism does not care about.
>Post your age, gender, and occupation
31, cis male, computer specialist
1.) It's a civil rights movement geared toward women, or more specifically, any perceived injustices that women face due solely to their gender.
2.) No, because men and women are rather equally discriminated against in first-world countries. (Males are culturally repressed and have to deal with shit like military conscription, for instance) Exclusive movements that focus on one specific group only create divides and enforce sectarian attitudes. We're all human, and we're all in this world together. We should be trying to address *all* civil rights issues as part of a united front against inequality.
>>5713850
>because non-feminists are more infuriating than feminists on any relevant shit
>tumblr pls
>>5714023
Don't forget that all lgbt who don't offer their unconditional support are deserving of death because feminism was a precursor to the lgbt movement.
On an unrelated note
>Religion that teaches all non-adherents get eternal torture, and some groups should be rounded up and killed was "twisted" into being exclusionary
>>5714036
If A is equal to B, then B is equal to A. There are no exceptions, that's just what equality means
>>5713536
1)Used to be about equality, now it's more about privilege fights and oppression olympics
2)No, because 2016 feminism is about sitting comfortable at home twiting and forcing college campuses to create safe spaces for womyn when there's no danger meanwhile real oppressed women are being killed, can't go to school, have mandatory female circumcision and all those perks around the world and most feminists are too caught up on their own bullshit to actually care.
>Post your age, gender, and occupation (put student if you are still in education)
23, mtf, self-employed
>1)What does feminism mean?
It differs depending on year, group, branch and individual vision. For me personally feminism is leftist ideology and thus have only cosmetic difference from other leftist ideologies.
>2)Are you a feminist? Why or why not?
No, I am not. Because leftist ideologies give birth and feed (on) parasites and in a long run not only create nothing of value and obstacles for those who create, but can and do damage already existing creations.
I am repulsed by anything destructive, so naturally I am not a feminist.
>>5713536
21/ftm
1. the one part of feminism that everyone agrees on is to respect women as people. everyone seems to have a different idea of what that entails and how to go about that
2. i am a feminist cause moms raised me to be decent
>>5713735
you are a fucking idiot broe
>>5714515
>2. i am a feminist cause moms raised me to be decent
Pick one you hypocrite fag.
1) An umbrella term of more than a dozen exclusive schools of political philosophy, whose core principle is addressing sexual discrimination from the viewpoint of womanhood.
2) Yes. I believe that there is not sexuality equality, and can speak only from my effeminate perspective on that inequality.
>>5713766
Gender ROLES are a social construct, retard. Stop omitting the most important word in the fucking phrase. Gender is being used to describe "role," which is the subject of the comparison and the verb. Gender is not a noun in that sentence.
>>5714536
sorry abt your mom
>>5714540
Shit, I forgot the core. 25, woman, and musician.
>>5714536
How is that hypocritical? They'd be hypocritical if they told everyone to be feminist and then turned around and started saying women are worthless holes or something.
>>5714546
Sorried to your mouth. Check it.
>>5713536
1)What does feminism mean?
Bunch of rich and well off white cis women, who like to oppress trans women primarily, attempting to cause a ban on health care for transsexuals.
2)Are you a feminist? Why or why not?
No. I don't support political ideologies who outright wants to kill people, or oppress people based on how they were born.
>>5714592
you are why i don't trust trans women
>>5714604
noone cares bruh
>>5714609
>>5714604
>The oppressor is pretending to be a scared victim
Burn in hell.
>>5714622
nice one, bruh, wanna chat in skype?
>>5714624
you're not doing yourself any favors by continuing to say insane things
>>5713536
23, male, gay. I'm a graduate philosophy student (and a closet Straussian, which would be academic suicide if it came out)
What is Feminism? To my knowledge:
Feminism is the ideology of men and women who think that the entire institution of "justice" in the modern world is a deception, used to keep women under the thumbs of men - so that any woman who steps out of line is rebuked for attacking harmony and fairness. Essentially that "justice" is the tool of the oppressors (men, in this case), to have unquestionable power over the oppressed (women) - forming a political system that favors the strong (a "patriarchy").
Thrasymachus and Marx are prototypical feminists in this respect. This is the basic meat of this ideology.
Am I a feminist? Absolutely not.
Without going into my personal beliefs, which would likely cause some controversy on this board, I'll just say this; any of the numerous valid objections that could be made against Marxian thought can also be made against feminist thought.
>>5714592
How are they trying to ban Healthcare for trannies?
>>5713536
19, french, student, gay man.
1) Ideally, equality between genders, protection of sexual minorities, peaceful dialog and comprehension between men abd women.
Most of the time unfortunately they tend to be overly and unnecessary aggressive and uncompromising over what i perceive to be small things (representation in video games, non-aggressions). These things need to be addressed, but with tact and with measure.
2) I support the idea of equality before the law and equal protection of genders, so yes I am a feminist. But I disagree with some of their points.
>>5713536
29, trans male, graphic designer
1) the definition of feminism varies a lot depending on who you ask. I guess I'd define it as the fight for the rights of women to be treated as equals to men (socially, politically, etc).
2) I do not identify as a feminist. I believe in the statement above: i.e. that women deserve equal rights and to not be treated like shit, but I often find the feminist movement itself quite offputting. I would be more willing to call myself a feminist if, for example, feminists were more concerned about providing education for girls in poverty, fighting sex slavery and human trafficking, expanding global reproductive rights, eliminating AIDS in Africa, etc. I also feel like as a man it's not really a label for me; not necessarily that it's fundamentally and objectively a women-only label, but more like that's kind of how it's evolved. And I agree with the other person in this thread who said they don't need a label to be a decent human being. It feels kinda silly to be doing that in 2016.
20, mtf, NEET
1) Despite the name, equality between all genders and sexes.
2) Yes.
I would prefer a different name for it, as most males are butthurt because the name isn't masculinism.
>>5714633
>any of the numerous valid objections that could be made against Marxian thought can also be made against feminist thought.
Has any country allegedly basing its principles of feminist ideology committed genocide?
>>5713536
1) Feminism is a series of closely-related movements that promote women.
2) yeah sure. women are great.
>>5714728
3 things:
1) You fail to make the distinction between Marxian thought and applied Marxism (which strays so far from the former that I hesitate to even call it that) like Stalinism.
2) No state has ever been created with solely feminist ideology in mind. If there was a state based on a sort of "applied feminism", it certainly wouldn't be pretty. I'll say that much.
I won't spoil your own journey of self-education, but I'll give you a couple pointers: read Plato's Republic - specifically Books 1 and 4.
There's a reason Plato is considered the progenitor of all subsequent Western thought.
>>5714629
And you're not doing yourself a favor by continuously trying to pretend to be a victim, when you're an oppressor.
>>5714641
By saying transition is wrong, that conversion therapy is better, and therefore trans treatment shouldn't be allowed. Guess why up until recently SRS wasn't covered by insruance, like it was 40-50 years ago.
>>5714792
>3 things
2* things
>>5713536
1) supposedly equality but really just more privilege for women
2) I am, but I tell people i'm not when they ask
>>5714798
>And you're not doing yourself a favor by continuously trying to pretend to be a victim, when you're an oppressor.
How are they being an oppressor? They specified that what feminism means to them is respecting women as people. Sure, there are those who identify as feminism and oppress trans people, and while they can legitimately call themselves feminists (I'm not trying to make a "no true scotsman" argument here), hating trans people does not define the core values of feminism, and not every feminist hates trans people. You really think a trans man hates trans people just because he identifies as a feminist?
No, I am not. Because there is no reason to be in my country. Here in the UK, USA, and most european counries. There is no nead. It's just women claiming that everyones problems only exist for women. Either that or they just make up problems like the "pay gap", which exists in races, but not in gender.
>>5714798
Well, if you mean not allowed like in a legal sense, that's absolutely ridiculous. When it comes to it being not covered by insurance, I don't see that a problem. Transitioning is optional. If a insurer wants to make the decision to cover it to compete with the market, that's fine. But if they don't, whatever.
I have no idea the intentions of those feminists in trying yo ban it, this is just my libertarian perspective.
>>5714868
And hating non-white people and LGBT people is not the core elements of KKK. Yeah, yeah, sure, we get it.
All feminists are TERFs, because they share the same ideology. Choosing to not disenfranchise themselves with feminism, because of the past, means they support what TERFs did.
>>5714898
I wouldn't say it should really be regarded as an "option", unless by transition you just mean the cosmetic/social side of things. HRT itself is the main treatment for gender dysphoria, so should be covered same as anything else.
>>5714902
>And hating non-white people and LGBT people is not the core elements of KKK. Yeah, yeah, sure, we get it.
Uh, no. The KKK's fundamental beliefs, the defining values of the KKK, are nothing like feminism's.
>All feminists are TERFs, because they share the same ideology. Choosing to not disenfranchise themselves with feminism, because of the past, means they support what TERFs did.
TERFs are to feminism what Nazis are to Germany. Should people not be allowed to identify as German lest they be seen as Nazis?
>>5714875
The USA does need womens rights.
It's just plain stupid to compare the US with UK and many of the european countries, they're just not at all on the same level of equality and non-discrimination.
It's a christian fucking country, Christianity is seen as the norm, and respected, any country that view religious people as "sane" is not a developed country. There's literally not a single developed country that is heavily religious.
It does however, not need feminism, since that's an oppressors ideology.
>>5714909
It depends on how you view Healthcare. Unless it is life threatening (the sickness itself must be cause of death not suicide) I do not have a problem with it not being covered. As a libertarian, I want less government inference, privatize Healthcare and allow the insurers to sell over state lines to increase competition, which will in turn increase quality of care/what's covered and decrease cost.
But obviously if you are far left, you'll want more regulations and we won't agree.
>>5714921
Germany is not an ideology, it's a country.
What you mean to say is that nazis are to national socialism, as TERFs are to feminism.
The KKK does not exclusively ban black and gay people from joining, so you cannot say that hating them is their fundamental believes.
Feminists are TERFs.
>>5714937
Okay, what if someone is disabled and unable to walk? Should their wheelchair be covered by insurance? Seems silly to consider that a medical condition is only severe when it directly causes death.
>>5714937
>Unless it is life threatening
Which it is.
You simply want trans people to die, so you're against medical care to be covered for them.
>>5714925
True, true. But, by law women have the same rights. If given time, the US will become less religous, just as the UK has.
>>5714946
By your own reasoning, hating trans people CANNOT be the core values of feminism, since feminism allows trans people to be feminists.
>>5713554
> intersectionality
Oh god please let this shitty meme die already
>>5714949
It would be up to the insurer what things are converted. Like I said, allow more competition and let the markets decide.
>equality
All over this fucking thread.
The worst inequality I can think of is equality between equals and unequals.
>>5714955
I am against government interference. If the insurers cover they cover it, if they don't they don't. Don't like what your insurance covers? Give your business to another.
>>5714994
Many different types of libertarianism. Anarchy is indeed a form, right wing and left. I'm neither though, I am a right leaning minarchist. I want a tiny government with very limited power. The only taxation I see acceptable is a state level sales tax, government spending would be eliminated. The only things government would be here for is to represent the people and uphold basic law. The only law allowed would be ones that protect our liberties. As long as you aren't breaking the NAP you should be free to do as you want.
>>5714974
There are some feminists who hold that view. Feminism as a group does not. There are mtf and cis male feminists, and feminism as a group does not oppose them. The only time feminism unanimously opposes male feminists is when they're obvious phonies, claiming to be feminists while having decidedly anti-feminist views. If anything, male feminists are more hated by anti-feminists, who see being a feminist as emasculating and assume any male who identifies as feminist is only doing it because he's manipulated by women.
>>5714994
>So then you're saying that KKK is not homophobic and about white supremacy?
I'm not, but the anon I'm replying to does. I personally have no idea how accepting the KKK is of gay and black people.
32, male, teacher
Feminism is an ideology advocating the advancement of women.
While I'm sympathetic to extreme cases of injustice, embracing the label is pointless to me.
>>5715043
You're saying that feminists aren't all TERF, because, according to you, trans people can be feminist. Like you think that it's fair to say that KKK isn't a homophobic white-supremacy group.
>>5713536
25, male, student
1. White men are the devil, you can't be racist or sexist against white men, white men should shut up and die
2. No because I'm a white man
>>5714604
>>5714629
I'm just gonna point you back to what I said in >>5714023
You're scapegoating minorities like lgbt who have suffered from being vilified and legislated against in the past because you saw them as heretics. You're scapegoating people for being mistrustful and fearful of your poor track record with minorities.
You've stopped caring about helping people and turned your religion into fundamentalism vying for power and purging heretics.
No wonder others don't want anything. To do with a corrupt socially authoritarian church that has betrayed its principles.
>>5715190
The KKK is a specific organization with a clearly defined leadership. There is no actual organization or leader of feminism. And saying they're comparable is nonsensical - the KKK's basic values involve protecting the purity of the white christian race, and hating blacks follow logically from that. The basic values of feminism are about women being equal to men, and hatred of trans people does NOT follow logically from that.
>>5715231
>protecting the purity of the white christian race
>hatred of trans people
Don't the thought process follow similar lines?
>>5715387
Hating trans people does NOT LOGICALLY FOLLOW FROM women being equal to men.
>>5713536
27 male currently between jobs
1) It used to mean equality now it's goal is to build a matriarchy
2) No.
>>5713843
>In many ways they ARE the same though
But in these are always the negative qualities of humans. You don't go around describing yourself by saying "I have skin, a heart, and breath" because those are the same to everyone and boring. You emphases what is unique to you and our society should place first priority on uniqueness and personality.
>And there's numerous differences between individuals of the same gender, yet the same gender norms are applied to all of them
They have different rules and roles according to their own individuality. Race, culture, creed, class, occupation, age.
>Subdividing people into different groups socially actually LIMITS the depth and complexity, because it means someone is a woman or man first and an individual second
It limits the range of possibilities for each individual man or women (though I don't agree with this) but I'm not concerned with individuals. I'm concerned with society as a whole. If you treat everyone regardless of race, class, creed, gender you are chopping up an advanced and complex social network into its atomic parts. Everyone will become the exact same grey mulch. You can't do with with truly advanced and good things. You can atomize a block of lead, rearrange all its parts and it will be the same. You can't do that with anything complex like a computer or a person. That is true complexity and personality and what all societies should strive for.
>>5714592
>2nd Wave TERF are all feminists ever!
You're retarded, anon. At least you have plenty of company, because it seems everyone who "hates feminists" have no earthly clue what the word means.
>>5713828
How unsurprising, the Neo-Nazi is misrepresenting a political stance and making wild accusations based on that.
20s, male. Graduate student.
>1) What does feminism mean?
Equality between men and women. "Equality" can be interpreted differently, and can be pursued in a way that is mostly just selfish bratty women justifying their bad behaviour. Currently equality is being interpreted as "equality of outcome" or "equity," which promotes a childlike victim mentality in Western women and turns them into spoiled, bratty, wilting violets.
>2) Are you a feminist? Why or why not?
I'm a dissident feminist. I believe in the individualist, agency-glorifying feminism of Wendy McElroy, Camille Paglia, and Karen Straughan.
The biggest problem facing women isn't legal equality or even cultural or social equality. It's existential equality, in the amount of agency they feel they should have. Women will never escape the Other if they are repressed by a patriarchal system that treats them like children who need to be kept hidden from the world, but they will ALSO never escape the Other if they live in a system that treats them like children who need to be *protected* from the world.
If men stopped systemically treating women like children because they all became asexual or blind to gender overnight, 90% of women would kill themselves in despair from having to actually fend for themselves and become real adults, and the remaining 10% would pick up the pieces and create the first generation of actualised women in history. Unfortunately that will never happen, and a difficult road of resisting systemic male pandering has to take its place.
>>5715543
How am I misrepresenting a political stance?
>>5715513
>They have different rules and roles according to their own individuality. Race, culture, creed, class, occupation, age.
And I'm saying that's not always beneficial. People don't always fit into the boxes you put them in.
>It limits the range of possibilities for each individual man or women (though I don't agree with this) but I'm not concerned with individuals. I'm concerned with society as a whole. If you treat everyone regardless of race, class, creed, gender you are chopping up an advanced and complex social network into its atomic parts. Everyone will become the exact same grey mulch. You can't do with with truly advanced and good things. You can atomize a block of lead, rearrange all its parts and it will be the same. You can't do that with anything complex like a computer or a person. That is true complexity and personality and what all societies should strive for.
But putting people into boxes actually eliminates their individuality, their complexity. We don't look at a person and see an individual, we look at them and see a woman, and ignore the differences between women.
>>5713536
25, male on HRT, graduate student
>Feminism is a movement to raise women's positions in society
>No, because we've reached legal equality, and current feminist "issues" are distracting from real issues
>>5713536
1) Feminism is the movement to achieve equality among all genders
2) Yes, because having lived as both male and female I have come to understand the troubles men and women face solely because of their gender.
>>5713896
>Because feminism is a jew tool
i stopped reading there
Feminism is giving women special privileges, due to a baseless perception that they are disadvantaged due to their vaginas.
Egalitarianism is giving all people, regardless of race, gender, or sexuality, equality under the law.
There's a difference, and that's why I'm not a "feminist".
24, lesbian, retail management.
>What does feminism mean?
By proper definition, the advocacy of women's rights in regards to social, political, and economic equality to men. By my definition, a bunch of 20-40 year old dykes with a laundry list of insecurities that think that society must cater to their every whim, because...that's equality, I guess?
>Are you a feminist? Why or why not?
Yes, and no. I don't subscribe to modern feminism because it's a shitty movement propagated by awful people with equally awful ideas, parroting confirmed lies and misinformation as fact. I do, however, wholeheartedly support gender equality, because men and women both have their fair share of problems to overcome.
Gay 24 year old dude
1. Feminism is a movement working towards the equal treatment of both sexes
2. yes, because I know the difference between tumblr tweens and feminists
>>5715606
Keep your head buried in the fucking sand then.
>>5715709
i will never understand modern anti-Semetism. like, is it just some kind of meme that /pol/ forgot was a meme? i mean, they're a pretty Westernized ethnicity, so I literally don't get why people hate them.
>>5715663
Lots of men on the internet have been upset that they cant attract women, and theres a lot of reasons they know deep down they have but dont want to admit. 40% of the time its because their visually unappealing, 60% its crap personality(either being a beta, not being a social butterfly, or just plain out awkward)
Although most have given up, some of them just go into fantasizing about the 1950s when it was presumably "easier to get women." or spend their time wasting it on mgtow, mensrights, redpill forums.
Before i started transitioning i was very sympathetic to them but afterwards it flipped when i realized blaming feminism for not having a partner was just pure escapism.
>>5715730
Pointing out facts is not anti-semitic. They are not like us. The biggest trick the devil ever pulled was making people think he didn't exist. Bolshevist/Marxist/Communist ideology is largely a creation of the Jewish mind. Start googling it. It's aim is the destruction of societies. So, families and social cohesion need to be undermined, and class tensions need to be stoked. Like I said before though, anti-woman abrahamic religions are just the other side of the same coin. I'm not a fundie, nor do I think women should be weak, frail, and should just sit quietly. Recognizing the poison pill of jewish influence in our political discourse is key on any issue if we want a truly peaceful and free society that is good for us all.
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2011/01/feminism-and-women-on-the-right/
I was like you before. Start looking into it and it all makes sense.
>People admitting they're a feminist
FUCKING LEAVE REEEEEEEEEEE
I'd only pretend to be a feminist if I were gettin some ass out of it
>>5715799
oh my god this post is hilarious. like every single time you anti-Semites try to explain yourselves it's ALWAYS insane bullshit about the end of the world and the destruction of society as we know it.
>>5713536
1. Promotion of women's rights
2. No. I believe feminism in first world nations refuses to accept that for the most part, it is no harder to be a woman than a man there, and that the only real reason for feminism now is in countries with real inequality. Instead, they focus on nitpicking over small issues like "manspreading," and ultimately look pathetic. I would call myself an egalitarian.
>>5715829
Oh, and m/23/professional student
>>5715840
dude your opinions are so classically typical of your demographic lmao
1) In the proper context, feminism is a balancing force. Where women may not have equal rights under the law, feminism is there as a movement to change that. An offshoot of egalitarianism, focusing primarily on the rights of the woman.
2) No. The present feminist movement has been hijacked by overly sensative marxists, bent on censorship and obsessed with race and gender; they fear a non-existant boogeyman they call 'patriarchy'. A movement with noble roots and goals, ultimately, becoming something monsterous.
>>5715823
>A maverick and prolific poet, writer and a soldier of the Waffen SS, Kurt Eggers provides in his book Von der Heimat und ihren Frauen (1940, p 13), a eulogy of ancient Nordic femininity, which represented the true symbol of women’s liberation.
>Everywhere in world literature, where we find praiseful descriptions of maternal women, we realize the influence of the North, of the great Aryan race. To Jews, it would be totally impossible to worship such a woman! Even the cult of the Virgin Mary, so often mentioned in the “New Testament,” has absolutely nothing “sacred” in itself, but only when it appears in the religion of Christianity when fused with certain Aryan myths! The women of the Bible are all throughout questionable figures, often they are clearly whores, like Esther. Never would a poet of the North have wasted his talent on describing the fate of a prostitute.…
>Everybody confusing egalitarianism and feminism
>>5715889
Proper feminism strives for the same goals as egalitarianism.
Our present form of feminism strives more for a matriarchy.
>>5715883
>literally uses vikings as moral role models
I mean like icelandic dudes can be hot as fuck but come on
also
>maternal women
oh look women as mothers and caregivers. How quaint. Listen your world view is retarded and wrong and the faster you give up hating people for who they are the less pessimistic you'll feel about the world
>>5715579
> Instead of making society a complex interconnection of different walks of life it's goal is everything the same and remove all that depth and complexity from life.
This part, faglord.
>>5713536
30 MTF
Feminism disgusts me. Women are free to do nearly anything they want without having to worry about responsibility for their actions yet they constantly cry and whine about stupid bullshit. The reason women don't make as much money as men is that they are allowed to have a life rather than spend all their time grinding away at a miserable job. Women have an incredible amount of privilege and are such bullshit hypocrites that they will accuse a 10 year old boy of raping an adult woman or say that a drunk, incapacitated man who did not consent to a sexual encounter is a rapist because his rapist regretted it afterward. Modern feminists are shit but so are the old guard, a bunch of man-hating dykes who are deliberately disgusting and rude and make a living out of doing nothing but bitching about how hard their lives are. Fuck feminism.
>>5716681
This desu.
>>5713536
pretty much 18, mtf in denial, student
1)Currently where I am? A bunch of dykes hollering about contradicting issues that aren't real.
2)No. While I believe that it is a needed movement in most third world countries, it is not even close to being needed in places where it seems to be the most popular.
>>5715740
who are you even replying to?
>>5713536
>1
A person that seeks betterment of females's life
>2
No, the previous answer does not imply that person is seeking equality and specially doesn't mean they care about males or their struggle. Before law a female has many rights that a man does not have, and as such they are beyond the point of equality. Socially females also enjoy many freedoms that males don't have so they are also beyond equality on this point.
>>5715582
>People don't always fit into the boxes you put them in
At least they have a box to rebel against.
>We don't look at a person and see an individual
And why should we? No one is an individual.
>and ignore the differences between women
You can't find the differences between women if you don't have a standard of women in the first place.
21, male, undergrad student
1) It's the belief that women should be equal to men. I don't believe feminism is a movement per se, because it's a really broad term that encompasses a lot of different ideologies. There are radical feminists, liberal feminists, marxist feminists, etc., and each of these have their own way of analyzing patriarchy and have their own ideas about what equality means.
2) Yes, I am a feminist.
>>5717129
>At least they have a box to rebel against.
They wouldn't need to rebel if they weren't put into boxes.
>And why should we? No one is an individual.
What's that supposed to mean? First you argued that treating everyone the same deprives them of individuality, now you're saying that individuality doesn't exist?
>You can't find the differences between women if you don't have a standard of women in the first place.
If you didn't have a standard of women, you might not regard them as women, but you could still find differences between individuals
>>5713748
Nice meme
>>5716681
This is why I support TERFs.
>>5717167
I copied that from a dictionary.
33, genderqueer (born as a boy and looks like man), freelance writer and master student.
1) Feminism is about women's rights and interests;
2) As far as queer man can be - yes.
>>5717185
because you believe that women should be pampered children or you hate trannies?
>>5717249
>born as a boy and looks like a man
What?
>>5717249
What the hell is genderqueer?
Jesus christ, I can't keep up with all these terms you faggots keep making up to feel special.
>>5717249
just say you're a man fer chrissake
>>5717275
Maybe they are a "boy" (female trans), and now looks like a "man" (still a female trans)?
>>5713536
19, female, student, (bislut since this is /lgbt/)
>1)What does feminism mean?
A movement to further rights for women.
>2)Are you a feminist? Why or why not?
I am not a feminist, because the movement is corrupted beyond recognition at this point, and near pointless in first world countries (besides abortion), which are incidentally the only places it cares about.
>>5717293
then they're a transman. It's really simple.
>>5713536
22 M Student
1)Fight for women's rights
2)Yes, because it is necessary
1) Equality among genders
2) No, Because of how shitty people make it
>>5717710
20, male, Student
>>5713536
22, male, bi, college student with a desk job at said college.
1.) Feminism means preferential treatment for women. Women are "entitled" to this and "entitled" to that.
2.) Nope, I'm an egalitarian instead. You can tell where priorities are based on their names.
FEMinism: focuses on WOMEN
EGALitarian: focuses on everyone, EQUALLY
no, feminism is for pussy ass bitches. grow a penis cunts
>>5713554
>>5713709
>>5713748
>>5713766
>>5713850
>>5713970
>>5714515
>>5714706
>>5714720
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>>5714838
>>5715563
>>5715597
>>5715670
>>5715691
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>>5717249
>>5717658
>i am a feminist
>>>/out/
this is it, /lgbt/ is dead it has been overrun by tumblr and what not
1) Equalilty between men and women, and the removal of the stereotypical gender roles, since they dont mean shit. Especially for a homosex relationship.
2) Yes, obviously. Problem is that with so many fuckers co-opting the name and applying it to their radfem give-me-power insanity, its become a dirty word online and is starting to go that way in real life. Which sucks.
1. I don't think even modern feminists can give you a consistent answer. Equality between the sexes would be egalitarianism, by calling it feminism you're making it inherently female-focused.
2. No, because it no longer serves a purpose in the western world. Women have all the same rights as men and then some, so feminists have to come up with nonsense to get angry over, like the non-existent wage gap, "objectification", muhsoggyknees in video games and other media, etc.
It'd be one thing if they were helping women in the middle east and developing countries, fuck knows they could use some help, but western feminism is literally "first world problems".
>>5717185
And yet again you prove what I said in >>5714023 Your movment has one of the worst track records of any major ideological group in America on lgbt rights. You've written reports for Senate committees convincing them to criminalize people getting medical access. You've pushed for obscenity laws criminalizing homosexuality. You still have activists campaigning with the far right to convince society that everyone lgbt is a rapist.
Given your movments demonstrated inability to coexist with minorities you shouldn't be surprised that they mistrust you. Instead you once again vilify minorities and use them as scapegoats for why society is wrong. Your corruption of the movment is indistinguishable from religious fundamentalism.
Second wave also stood for and advocated for white supremacy. Most black women want nothing to do with you too btw, you going say they deserve to be persecuted too? https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/02/24/patricia-arquettes-remarks-explain-why-some-black-women-dont-call-themselves-feminists/
I think it's telling how even the avowed mainstream fem in this thread backed your talk about how minorities deserve to be vilified. You've turned your movment into a church that only cares about power and purging heretics.
>>5713536
18, student, female.
1) feminism means both equal rights for women and a less sexism based around femininity. This can also apply to men who are ridiculed for not being manly enough etc. just simply that. It has literally never meant 'kill all men'.
2) since I go outside more than I'm on the computer, yes.
>>5718352
What rights do men have that women don't?
21, bisexual female, college student
1) the dictionary definition of feminism insists that it is a movement that promotes equality of men and women. However, since actions speak far more loudly than words, modern feminists have demonstrated that feminism is a movement of hatred and censorship not only against men, but against anyone who disagrees with their dogma and does not fit their narrative.
2) No, because I believe in equality both in words and in actions, hence I'm an egalitarian. I believe that everyone should have equal access to the same basic opportunities to succeed. However, I also believe that what one chooses to do and how one chooses to use those opportunities (or not) is the responsibility of that individual; it is not fair to "make things equal" by devaluing and taking away what an individual earned through hard work and by rewarding those who chose to be incompetent in the name of "equality", hence I'm also a capitalist (and feminism is against capitalism). Also, attributes that are relatively superficial (e.g., race, sexuality, sex, etc) don't make people inferior or superior, and they don't carry the sins and transgressions of your predecessors either. So while being black does not make you inherently inferior to whites, being white does not make you inferior to blacks either, and being white is not an original sin that automatically makes you guilty and responsible for things like slavery (I.e. "White privilege" is bs).
>>5713536
18. Male. Student.
1. Man-haters/gullible women who desperately want to be oppressed (which they aren't) and men desperate for sex agreeing with them. They make ludicrous claims and can back up none of them. Most of what they say (wage gap, patriarchy etc.) is a lie.
2. No. It is a sexist movement, harmful to men and to women.
>>5718088
Have you considered that perhaps your newfag circlejerk of random thought termination isn't the majority on this board, or even most boards of 4chan? There was a time when website was flamingly anarchist and socialist, and radical liberalism was the de facto.
>>5718400
What you should be asking is "are men and women treated as equals in society," and they are not. Feminist politic also points out where men are slighted and restricted by patriarchal ideals, and that tasks and natures that the society calls "feminine" are denied to them as if it would demean them. It's not a scoresheet, retard. It's a system.
>>5718143
>I don't think they can give you an answer!
>he says as several people give a coherent, academic answer, even those that don't support the idea
Don't blame your idiocy on others.
>>5713536
Wandering off the front page, never posted in /lgbt/ in my life
20, straight cis male, student
1) Sexual equality in theory, but female superiority in practice
2) No, because even if the sexes aren't equal, emphasizing differences rather than similarities will only make sexism worse. Plus, I don't want to associate with the radical feminists.
>>5719744
And why is that system feminisms problem? What is even so wrong with that system that it needs changing?
>>5719901
You don't think people not being treated equally should be regarded as a problem?
>not a feminist because I believe in equality
>>5720143
How are women not treated equally?
>>5720213
Are you just pretending to be retarded? I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here.
>>5720244
Are you?
I am trying to assess why you feel that feminism needs to still be a thing. You have yet to give me one, all you can do is deflect and toss out insults. You made a claim, but are unable to provide evidence. But I guess I should have known better than to expect logic from a first world privileged feminist. Keep drinking that Kool Aid.
>>5720275
I provided it in the first response, you complete retard. The only one drinking the Kool Aid here is you, to wash down that cancerous red pill. Christ Almighty, you can't even manage a conversation anymore because you just run yourself in circles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqxldqYExoQ
Feminism is Capitalism for women.
judith butler is the only good feminist
>>5713536
>are you a feminist?
No
31, trans, contractor
1) feminism is a philosophy and political movement seeking equality via the liberation of oppressed classes. The classes it focuses on are gender and sex, with the work, stories, and experiences of women being vital guides and indicators.
2)I am. I firmly believe that feminism is an essential philosophy in achieving liberation for all people, though not the only one.
>>5713536
>What does feminism mean?
First wave was equal rights
Second wave was protecting the special treatment women get (protection from physical or verbal abuse, door opened for, meals paid for, etc) but getting rid of the disadvantages (not taken seriously in careers involving anything harder than answering a phone, unwanted catcalls, etc)
Third wave is nothing but a cartoonish stereotype of feminists come to life
>Are you a feminist? Why or why not?
I don't consider myself a feminist, although I do agree with the idea that women should still have equal rights. A lot of people think that agreeing with the first wave movement makes me a feminist but i don't feel that just because you agree with one, a few, or even most parts of an ideology makes you a member. I think /fit/, 6ft+, blonde haired, blue eyed men are qt as fuck but that doesn't make me a Nazi
>>5713536
Im a mtf transgender.
1 its hard to say. I think a big portion of neo-feminist (aren't real feminists.) actually creates a backlash from everyone including some. this is because neo feminists resort to slut-bashing, angry protests (to defend rape victims who instead of giving them guns and letting them defend themselves), and calling men who've never even threatened a woman a "misogynist". If you want respect you have to take it, or practically steal it. you can't talk tough, and then act like wet-blanket-push-overs when people attack your ideas. if your dealing with sensitive issues like domestic abuse and rape, you don't wait for law enforcement to step in, as a matter of fact if it were up to me there would be a feminist militia to humiliate rapists and sex offenders, and even kill them if they don't learn their lesson. sometimes the best answers come with the price of human lives. there is no way to fight rapists and sex offenders without taking at least some of there lives. some would call this extreme, but I think it would be the best option if men and women wish to live equally one day.
2 I am a feminist, and if I were in Anita from fem-frequency, I'd open my YouTube comments so I can almost look at my enemy dead in the eyes, before I assault them with the sharpness of my tounge. another mistake Anita is making is refusing to look at video games from an artistic point of view. I mean, what kind of idiot thinks women wearing skimpy clothing is anything other then artistic satire. Anita should stop attacking video games, and focus on the real issues plaguing our world. video games are open for interpretation, so instead of attacking the content, she should stop being such a wet blanket, and attack how people interpret the game instead.
>>5721747
>calling men who've never even threatened a woman a "misogynist"
One doesn't have to actually threaten a woman to be a misogynist. It just means you hate women or femininity.
>I mean, what kind of idiot thinks women wearing skimpy clothing is anything other then artistic satire
I think the idea that it's objectification definitely has some merit. I mean, the people these video games are marketed to are largely male, and there's definitely cases where female characters wear very little clothing when there's no logical reason for that to be the case. And no, it doesn't make video games have no artistic merit or anything like that, but we should acknowledge it's being done to appeal sexually to straight men. And I can definitely see how some feminists have an issue with that - it kind of normalizes the idea that women are "supposed" to be nearly naked, and any woman who feels uncomfortable with it is "doing woman wrong". It contributes to a harmful stereotype, though there's so many other things contributing to it in the first place I don't think individual games should be singled out to blame for that.
>video games are open for interpretation
True, but there's only so far you can take the interpretation, otherwise everything becomes meaningless.
feminism means respecting woman as equal persons.
>I dont need feminism because I already do that and dont need militants to demand i do something that i already do
26, m, student
1a in the real world its trying to solve perceived inequalities of outcome based on sex
1b on the internet its retards being retarded
2 no,I only require equality of opportunity to be happy with an outcome
side note: in Australia you get a guaranteed spot in education with extra benefits. I use AUStudy to make up the difference being a full time student, ABstudy also exists if you are aboriginal. ABstudy is straight up more money and a travel expense benefit.
that shit is supposed to entice black fellas to get educated but instead they either go on the dole forever or refuse the extra leg up and have some fucking self efficacy
>>5718352
>>>5713536 (OP)
>18, student, female.
>1) feminism means both equal rights for women and a less sexism based around femininity. This can also apply to men who are ridiculed for not being manly enough etc. just simply that. It has literally never meant 'kill all men'.
>2) since I go outside more than I'm on the computer, yes.
>>5720579
I see no reason to be a feminist in that, but okay.
>>5722541
https://twitter.com/search?q=%23killallmen
>>5722609
disregard that, I suck cocks
29, mtf, transbian, IT
1) A belief that we live in a patriarchal society that values men over women.
2) no. I think people should be treated equally regardless of gender. I don't want women to get special treatment, which most feminists seem to be pushing for.
For example, when I was studying CS, it was much easier for me to get into the program since I was registers as female on my major declaration application. The program also had special study groups and what I can only describe as group therapy sessions for women in CS. They kept trying to shove down our throat that we were being discriminated against by the male professors and male CS students (since they were in the majority). I never experienced any sexism in the program and I don't think the other girls in the program experience any either.
Around my fourth year, I asked a female CS student if she had experienced discrimination. She said that she hadn't experienced any overt discrimination, but that her adviser had pointed out that the women in the CS major had a significantly lower average gpa than the men in the CS program. I asked if that may be due to the major selection process, that the prerequisites for becoming a CS major at this school were less competitive for women since they were trying to get more women into the male majority program. She didn't think that had anything to do with it. She thought that the professors unconsciously taught-to-the-boys more than to the girls. She said that the girls knew that women did worse in CS, and that this caused impostor syndrome; the girls did worse because they knew that girls often do worse at CS. "If that's true, why do they keep telling us that women are discriminated against in CS? Doesn't that just exacerbate the impostor syndrome? I think it'd be better if they didn't talk about sex at all." The discussion sort of trailed off somehow.
I'm not against most feminist goals, but my most significant experience with feminism left a bad impression.
>>5713536
20, female, college student
A bunch of middle class women looking for something trivial to whine about as if they're being chained to a prison and forced to break rocks all day.
No.
1)What does feminism mean?
A vague political term that has been abused and reimagined by too many individuals
2)Are you a feminist? Why or why not?
I agree with most feminists and they agree with me. I don't buy into these political moment labels though.
25, male, ronin
1) Logically? Equality. What female narcissism makes it out to be? Just a scapegoat for whining about everything and anything while demanding to be treated better than everyone else and ignoring that you're not the only one that can have a hard time.
2) I believe in equality but feminism as it stands now is pure grade-A bullshit.
>>5722712
24 m CS major.
we also had womens' only study groups. I wouldn't exactly call that discrimination against men though. It's not like they were useful at all. They didn't give any sort of academic advantage. I don't know what the major declaration process was like at my school. I think anyone who declared was accepted, and you just flunked out if you failed too many classes.
>>5713536
I'm just gonna use the google definition of the term, since it seems fitting enough.
>1
The advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men
>2
No, there are no rights that I am aware of that are explicitly extended to men in my society that women do not have also. As such I cannot advocate for the adoption of something that has already is in force.
White successful gay male.
1.) A bunch of disgusting overweight/angry/dike women clinging on to a past ideology of civil rights being obnoxious.
2.) Not bothered enough to care either way.
>1)What does feminism mean?
they say the want " equality" but they have a warped idea of what it is.
in the end they just want additional privileges for women, to the point of creating inequality.
>2)Are you a feminist? Why or why not?
NO.
beause i believe in equality of opportunity for everyone nd feminism is opposed to that.
the single fact that they claim they want equality for sexes but lobby only for one of the sexes is ridicolous.
the single biggest example of why i am not a feminist is that feminist in my country asked for "pink quotes" law in politics and even workplaces.
anyone with a brain understand that quotes are inequality and anti-meritocratic because they force voters to vote and people to hire a worse candidate just because there is a scarcity of its sex in that workplace/political enviroment/market.
also feminists sound completely irrationals and i hate that.
22, cis female, cosmetologist
>1)What does feminism mean?
equality for men and women. this includes demolishing institutional prejudice against women ("patriarchy")
>2)Are you a feminist? Why or why not?
of course. i don't think a person's gender should be a handicap any more than their hair color.
>>5723272
what institutional prejudice?
I want to know because from where I sit in Chemistry females do juuuuust fine, could be confirmation bias being at a super liberal uni though
>>5722915
You failed at reading comprehension in school, didn't you?
>>5713536
16
male
student
1) Feminism has the goal to make women superior to men in social-related topics and social conventions. They won´t to get both pot´s, not just when they´re dating men.
2) I am not because I support gender-equality and not this fascism.
why does anyone have to be a feminist nowadays if everything's okay with equality in our century?
>>5713536
18 male, education.
1. Feminism is the movement behind female equality and rights. 2. For women in they U.S. I am not a femenist, I feel we have reached a point where people are oppressed in general, not just women. I feel we need an egalitarian movement if anything. But for women in countries where you get shot if you want to go to school I am a femeinist, or like if you get acid in the face if you show too much ankle.
>>5723687
Because it's demonstrably not, and you're actively ignoring a large body of evidence that it's not as "irrelevant" or "whining" or "only cared about by dykes." This is the same exact rhetoric as the suffrage movement faced a century ago, with no change in tactic or language at all. Say that things are equal, that it's all done, and call believers whiners creating an issue out of nothing.
Your great-grandfather did it, your grandfather did it, your dad did it, and so now are you.
>>5713536
1)What does feminism mean?
Like every other "ism", it's just some dumb complex of ideas that people sometimes get extremely excited about, and is not really anyone's friend even if they love it and believe in it. It means that a bunch of people will make foolish, irrelevant noises ostensibly connected to its truth, falsehood, importance, unimportance, and so on.
2)Are you a feminist? Why or why not?
Some stupid people say that feminism is just egalitarianism, and if that's true then I guess I am either a feminist or something like one. Other stupid people talk as if it's something different from that and usually I don't like all of what they say so I guess I am not a feminist like any of them is. In general, I don't care whether I am one and I don't identify as one.
>>5724172
You don't seem to know what "if" and question marks mean. Anon did not say that everything was okay with equality in our century, stupid.
1) equality for woman, like all ideologies it get misunderstood by feminists and society alike, having extremists and rationals
2) no, Im in favor of it but I don't consider myself a feminist
>>5724573
whoops I forgot
>Post your age, gender, and occupation (put student if you are still in education)
35, male, software developer
>>5724589
Forgot my dates
19 cis male
From Argentina
>>5723133
>Post your age, gender, and occupation
sorry didn't see it i'll add it now:
male, 23, university student, not english as main language that's why i sound like an angry fish when i write.
>>5721857
why should anyone feel uncomfortable with there own body. if anyone tells you you're to ugly or too pretty to be wearing less clothing you should tell them to fuck off, because its your body and not there's. same thing with video games. suppose these fictional characters were based on at least one real womans real body. then you would've made that woman ashamed of her body which doesn't belong to anyone besides her. it's her body. let her dress the way she wants. we should be correcting the problem by including all types of men and women, with all kinds of different body types dressed in all different ways. you shouldn't make people ashamed of there bodies, because that's what misogynist want.
>>5726042
>why should anyone feel uncomfortable with there own body. if anyone tells you you're to ugly or too pretty to be wearing less clothing you should tell them to fuck off, because its your body and not there's.
Right, but some people do feel uncomfortable being seen naked even if they're not ashamed of their body, it's not always an insecurity thing.
>suppose these fictional characters were based on at least one real womans real body. then you would've made that woman ashamed of her body which doesn't belong to anyone besides her. it's her body. let her dress the way she wants.
Yes, but at the same time you could argue that the real women the character is based on is being seen naked without their consent.
>let her dress the way she wants. we should be correcting the problem by including all types of men and women, with all kinds of different body types dressed in all different ways. you shouldn't make people ashamed of there bodies, because that's what misogynist want.
Yes, I agree with this. The problem isn't so much that women are depicted nude, it's more that it sometimes seems that is the only "correct" way to depict them. The solution isn't to ban that depiction, but rather to encourage other depictions as well.
>>5724584
You don't seem to understand how English works. Not all "ifs" are open-ended hypotheticals, stupid.
20, male, student/freelance C# programmer
1: It means to hate men and to spread cancerous liberalism and pidgeonhole everyone with labels while simultaneouslly claiming nobody needs labels.
2: No, I'm a right wing libertarian, and feminists need to fuck off out of my LGB since you don't understand what being a gay/bi man is like
43, male, director-level corporate executive
1. [traditional] Feminism is the assertion that women and men should have equal rights.
2. No, I am not a feminist, because evidence indicates that men and women are /not/ equals, and thus it makes little sense to treat them as equals.
>>5713536
19, female, student
1. For me it's still equality of the sexes.
2. Yes, but I'm going to admit that I've been sorta unhappy with the movement lately, especially with the fast increase of TERF's/Radfems, at least in my country.
>>5713536
>19, F, Student who works part time
1) At its core, feminism is about removing the institutional prejudices and expectations of both men and women, and (should) seek to gain equality for people regardless of sex or gender. Doesn't mean it does though. It gets drowned out by a bunch of bullshit.
2) I do, but I don't like the negative connotation that feminism has in many areas. I go to a liberal arts school and feminism is huge here, but a lot of the people take it way too fucking seriously and seek special treatment (ie SJWs) rather than true equality. That's a bunch of fucking bullshit. Everybody should be equal regardless of anything, especially something as trivial as gender.
26 mtf security
1) Feminism is a broad and dynamic collection of sub-movements that range in their goals from simple respect and equality, to dogmatic belief that there is no neurological or personality difference to gender, or just batshit insane people who want to broaden the definition of rape to include all sex and overflow our prison system with innocent people.
2)I care about equality first, as well as permissive legislation that doesn't try to write anyone out of existence over not fitting an ideology. I align with feminists when they fight for equality, and reject when they turn their backs on it. I don't actively participate in any organized feminist groups, so in that way no, I'm just a person. I cannot say I support everything said in the name of feminism, it is too broad a category and has many contradictory views when looked at as a single whole.
>>5713536
>Post your age
29
>gender
Male
>and occupation
Engineer
>and answer these questions:1)What does feminism mean?
Rights without duties/responsibilities for women.
>2)Are you a feminist? Why or why not?
No, because rights should come with responsibilities.
>>5726763
What responsibilities are women not subject to?
>>5726776
paying child support
>>5726776
Vote without military service.
Accusing of rape or sexual assault without having to provide evidence.
Being able to sleep with a drunk partner without being accused of sexual assault.
In some areas, getting alimony for merely existing.
In some areas, getting child support even if her partner was not the biological father.
Getting a child's custody without having to prove qualifications.
Being able to choose to pursue parenthood or not without needing the partner's consent.
I'm sure I'm missing some, thouse should be the big ones. Stuff like getting less time for crimes or being seen as innocent by default, etc are not rights but still represent social advantages without responsibilities, and you seldom see feminists wanting to make people "equal" when it comes to this.
>>5726869
>Vote without military service.
This applies to men too, though. We do have selective service, but some men have disabilities or other conditions that prevent them from serving in the military. Is it unfair that they're allowed to vote?
>>5726880
I realize that in the modern world most nations offer vote by default; I meant in the past, that's why it went first. I should have clarified that. Feminism arose with the idea that women should be able to vote without earning the right in any way, all while a significant portion of this same group shamed men who refused to undergo military service. Just wanted to point out that this rights-without-responsibilities mindset has been present since its inception.
25, f, teacher.
1. I believe that feminism is a movement designed by and for women to support and uplift other women in a world that is male-dominated. It exists to criticise and take apart patriarchal values, and it should particularly include how these values hurt women who are oppressed in many facets. Its goal is to free women from the oppression that they face, and I do not believe this is necessarily by making women equal to men (e.g. men currently have the ability to rape and abuse women and not face consequences for this most of the time [especially if they're white], and I [and most other women] have no interest in being given this power).
2. Yes, absolutely. I long for the day where I don't have to interact with a man ever again.
>>5727507
Good luck running the world with no men.
>>5727659
>girls in Scouts are taught how to sew, bake, and make friendship bracelets while boys in Scouts are taught how to start fires, tie knots, and build a camp
>young girls/boys are coerced into doing what is expected of them, otherwise risk being called "manly/girly" respectively
>jobs that are labour-intensive are considered masculine, jobs that aren't are considered feminine
>when women enter male-dominated physical fields (e.g. firefighting, carpentry, military, etc), they are often not welcome and forced out because of things like sexual harassment and being overlooked for their male counterparts
The reason that a lot of women don't have the same physical skillset as men is because they've been taught their whole lives not to. If you give young girls/women the chance the learn these things, they can easily learn and apply them.
>>5729234
Any woman living in a first world, western country (with the exception of the southern US) has the chance to learn these things. Many women do, but the ones who don't make the choice not to.
>>5729247
Sure, but those things aren't really considered "womanly" or "feminine", so unless a woman has particular need for or interest in those skills, they're not likely to learn them. Whereas a man who lacks "manly" interests and skills gets called a faggot, so even if he doesn't have any interest in or need for these skills he's under a lot of pressure to learn them.
>>5729247
As a woman who was raised in Canada, I can tell you that while there technically may be the chance, it is very much not encouraged. I was in Sparks/Brownies/Guides (our equivalent of Scouts), and at no point did we ever learn any sort of outdoor skills. However, I got tonnes of patches from learning how to make crafts, baking cupcakes, making cards for my mom, and, of course, selling cookies. My grandparents babysat me, and my grandmother taught me how to cook, do laundry, and clean from a young age because "that's what women do." My grandfather made his own furniture in his garage, and when I asked if I could go watch him or learn how to do that, it was always dismissed with a "oh, you don't really want to do that. That's for boys." My dad would go fishing/hunting in the summers, and I was never invited along because it was "too dangerous," but plenty of his friends took their similarly-aged sons to make sure they knew how.
Along with this, because of the skillsets that young boys are taught, I know a ridiculous amount of men in their 20s/30s who can't cook, don't know how to properly clean, or can't sew a button back onto a shirt. They were never taught these things because they were told that they were "girly" and that women would be there to do it for them, whether it's their mothers or their wives.
My experience is extremely common. I've spoken about this with other women at length. Now that I'm older, I've gone out of my way to learn some skills, but it isn't the same as if I had grown up learning these things.
>>5726058
indoctrination doesn't work on me. saying yes twice might change someone else's mind, but not mine. agreeing with me to change my opinion later won't work. So, yeah, and unlike most feminists I believe we need a feminist party similar to the black panthers to fight off male to female brutality with brute military force. yeah, and we already saw what one nutcase can do to a planned parenthood, so if we want to prevent assholes like that we will more then likely need to fight back. oh yeah, and I recognize your rheteric. it looks like your copying feminist frequency word for word. if I didn't know better I'd think Anita decided to posted this thread herself. I highly doubt it though. after what people did using anonymous as an alias, I dont think she'd come anywhere near this place. It would be pretty funny if she did come here though. I'd definantly find it funny.
>>5729302
my just completely ignores gender stereotypes. the only time mother cooked was when she was outside by the grill. when it snowed she would shovel outside. everyone did there own laundry and cooked there own food for the most part. my family also came from a group of female rebels who destroyed public property and fucked up a few male cops during the feminists movement. my grandmother definantly makes all the decisions in the house. not even kidding about that. no one does anything without asking her.
>>5713536
>AGE
26
>GENDER
Cis female
>OCCUPATION
Junior Financial Analyst
>1)What does feminism mean?
An ideology and/or movement geared toward the aim of equality between the genders and/or sexes.
CAVEATS:
The term 'feminism' as described above is problematic because of
>a.
Competing and often contradictory ideas using the same umbrella term,
>b.
Its nature as an 'ideology' or 'movement' is in question; (i.e. can one simply believe in the requisite measures and/or goals or does one have to actively participate in implementing the requisite measures toward the intended goals?)
>c.
The definition of 'equality' is also in question; (i.e. equality of opportunity vs equality of outcome- whether measures should retroactively take into account any perceived past oppression that may have kept females behind, such as affirmative action, or if a blank-state is to be assumed upon implementation- if social equality, political equality and economic equality are to be held in the same weight, etc.)
>d.
The ideological core of the generation of feminism in question has not remained the same; (i.e, First, Second, and Third Wave Feminism, the earliest perhaps focusing on mere equality of opportunity, the second focusing on perhaps lessening social and economic pressures, and the latest on perceived intersecting power structures.
>2)Are you a feminist? Why or why not?
No. Firstly for the inconsistencies outlined above, secondly for distrust in an ideological structure that has shown to be rather unaccepting of other viewpoints, thirdly because I think the vast majority of their intended aims have been accomplished through the free electorate and free market, fourthly because the intended aims of this new breed seems to go above and beyond mere equality of opportunity toward some form of equality of outcome for all races, classes and genders.
>>5718088
If you read most of those posts you would find that many users agree with the general principle of equality under the law and equality of opportunity, and label that feminism instead.
>>5715563
>If men stopped systemically treating women like children
Cis hetero woman reporting in. What in fuck are you talking about?
>1)What does feminism mean?
A political stance that women are generally disadvantaged in society and that gender equality can be achieved by improving upon the current state of affairs.
>2)Are you a feminist?
I used to ID as one until I realized the double standards suck for all genders and gendered experiences aren't objectively worse for one; just shitty in different ways. Now I just avoid political labels that are more specific than who I'm more likely to vote for at the moment.
>>5715563
>Karen Straughan
I definitely would not call her a feminist, especially not to her face. But she is a good model to look up to.
>>5713536
1) I don't think the term feminism means much of anything anymore.
2) I believe in equal rights for men and women. I don't care about identifying with movements so no.
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so feminism is equality?
how the fuck can that be if its called feminism?
feminism is meant for women not men and women
feminism fights for women rights and im all about that sure
whatever people are now doing is fucking ridiculous and shouldnt be called feminism because its poisoning the term
wich means that if you say that you hate feminism you are a mysoginistic asshole
everything feminism related is poison nowadays
Sure, shithead threadman.
1) A lot of things. Fundamentally, sexual equality continuing to gender equality. Feminism's first wave came about for suffrage and basic rights for women. The second wave challenged not only prevalent patriarchal social models and institutions, but their affects on both women and men. The third wave continued and shifted more focus to gender and sexuality.
Popular media seems to portray feminism predominantly in one of two ways; either as a puritanical army in an exciting battle of the sexes or as simply something safe and girly that one is party to simply by being born with a vagina. These interpretations are obviously very shallow and lead people to ignore both the vastness of the "ideology" (if it can even been reduced to a single ideology) and what it means to agree with it.
Huge, fundamental aspects of western society today are the results of feminism. To me, it's impossible to ignore that when someone cringes and insists they aren't a "feminist" they are implicitly rejecting all feminist thought. But how many of these people cringe at the right of a woman to vote, own property, use birth control, or get an abortion?
That may seem archaic (save that the last two still come up), but these issues are still fundamental aspects of feminism, as are many other ideas and causes which many take for granted. Feminism is not always as polarizing or radical in the modern context as some would believe. But likewise, it's hard to ignore when someone assumes that being feminist is a sexual birthright. A great example would be when Michelle Bachmann described herself as a feminist because she "celebrated her femininity" or something to that effect. People who do this frequently cling to "traditional" gender roles and often hold views which are about as sexually reactionary as one could hold without advocating the legalization of spousal rape.
2. Yes. Much of "why" is explained above.
>>5733564
>Popular media seems to portray feminism predominantly in one of two ways; either as a puritanical army in an exciting battle of the sexes or as simply something safe and girly that one is party to simply by being born with a vagina
where did you get that?
>These interpretations are obviously very shallow and lead people to ignore both the vastness of the "ideology" (if it can even been reduced to a single ideology) and what it means to agree with it.
what is feminism's ideology?
>when someone cringes and insists they aren't a "feminist" they are implicitly rejecting all feminist thought.
that is because of what people think of feminists
also "implicitly rejecting all feminist thought.", thats not true
you dont agree or disagree with feminism, you disagree with the people that belong to it
feminism is intended for women to have equal rights to men and currently they do at least in most civilized places (that doesn mean there isnt work to be done)
feminist are a totally different thing, and people dont seem to like them
what people? Idk but lots of people, me included
I disagree with what a lot of so called feminist say now a days but I think women and men should have equal rights and I dont think feminism is the means to that end
saying that feminism is all about gender equality implies that men objectively have more advantages than women
wich is incredibly polarizing and leads to the opposite end which is "be a feminist or be a mysoginist" or rather "be right or wrong"
gender equality should be dealt by both parts, because even if you can argue that man have way more advantages than women that is putting genders in a 2d scale when in reality there are an infinite amount of things that should be taken in consideration
I think if thats what people are fighting for, they shouldnt be called feminists
21, female, student.
1) A movement which fights for the rights of women (and other groups which have been oppressed in the past or are oppressed in modern society one way or another), I guess. There are many forms and specific movements, like liberal, radical, intersectional and stuff. I haven't researched it that much, to be honest.
2) No, because I don't know that much about the community and all of its branches, and I don't like labeling myself. I do support many of its causes, though.
>>5733767
I'm here to reply to a shitty poll, not you. I won't address everything,but I'll get your greentexted stuff - that's it. No more questions, no more cameras, I vant to be alone.
>where did you get that?
Growing up with a TV in the house and going to public school. Saved By the Bell, Oprah, etc. The archetypes of the "feminazi" and a kind of girl-talk-every-now-and-then feminism are all over the place.
>what is feminism's ideology?
That's a pretty dodgy question given I specifically pointed out that it was dubious whether or not there was any one "ideology" in the text you quoted. The bulk of my post already covers what I consider the basics - but those could also be contradicted by radical feminism, which is technically still a form of feminism. An occasional radfem rationale is that the monopoly men hold over culture is so extreme that "true" equality could only be acquired through seeming inequality. Of course, I don't agree with that stance. There are many branches of feminism.
>also "implicitly rejecting all feminist thought.", thats not true
A person can imply something when they make a statement they haven't fully considered.
>you dont agree or disagree with feminism, you disagree with the people that belong to it
Perhaps that's true for you, but it's not at all true for me or how I decide on my beliefs.
I say I am not a Nazi because I do not agree with Nazism. I say I am not a socialist because it would be disingenuous on my part because I am skeptical of the reliability of socialist economics. I say I am not a monarchist because I don't want a monarch.
While most of the feminists I've known in real life have been nice people with mostly good ideas, I wouldn't base whether or not I identified with it on that. I could just as well be a reform Jew if my belief system was based on the coolness factor of people I met and I just treated my ideals as a clique. Ideas mean more to me.
>>5713536
>transgender female
>works at fast-food to save up for college.
>I am a feminist
> and as a feminist I believe that being a feminists is about challenging a masogynist with a rape culture ideology to a game of fistacuffs and winning.
>>5734853
>Rape Culture
Can you tell me where "Rape Culture" exists outside of the Third World, places where the Third World meets First World (ie: Rotherham in the UK), or the American prison system (where the vast majority of victims are male)?
>>5735241
The fact that 99% of perpetrators of rape are male shows that it exists. Regardless of the gender of the victims (which yes, as stated, are majority male because of the prison system, but outside of that, are majority female), the gender of the perpetrator needs to be acknowledged. The fact that women are almost non-existent rape perpetrators and men are almost all of them shows that there is a culture which teaches men they have a right to rape.
>>5735241
Rape culture exists only in western society. Other cultures are entitled to their own practices and if you feel you have standing to condemn practices you don't understand you're being hypocritical and racist.
>>5735252
>The fact that women are almost non-existent rape perpetrators and men are almost all of them shows that there is a culture which teaches men they have a right to rape.
No, it doesn't. That is a ridiculous stretch of logic. It could be down to any number of factors. We're living in a society where merely being accused of rape is enough to ruin someone's life. Nowhere in Western society is rape treated as anything other than the Worst Possible Thing that can happen to a woman (yes, even worse than death). Your assertion completely falls apart under even the slightest bit of scrutiny.
its a complete joke. No one outside of the actual group takes them serius because of the people that represent them. Feminism is shit.
>>5735241
For the most part, first world rape culture seems to be people failing to really understand what counts as consent. Obviously people think rape is bad, but they rationalize it by saying what they're doing isn't rape. Like the idea that if a woman agreed to come home with you means they automatically consent to whatever sexual things you want to do with them.
>>5735256
No, pretty much all cultures seem to have a rape culture to a certain extent. It's pretty much an inevitable result of patriarchal societies, which, in very crude terms, tend to view women as property rather than equal citizens. I suppose there could theoretically be a patriarchy where women aren't seen as property, but such a thing doesn't really exist. Even in patriarchies where women have more or less equal rights, those equal rights only exist as a conscious decision to move away from patriarchal tradition and objectification still survives to some extent.
>>5735350
Sure, but there has to be something that leads men to rape.
21 mtf student studying psychology and philosophy
1. no consensus on definition. in general, the advancement of women's rights
2. no because feminism is a tainted label: bad stats thrown around by bad research. most of their theories are based on the false claims that women are oppressed (in the western world). i think the label is unsalveable and even early feminists did abhorrent and hypocritical things, so i wouldnt align myself with them.
>>5735794
I agree not everyone understands consent, however the only people claiming that raping a woman in their house is okay are from ROK, a super fringe group (but they are absolutely disgusting).
Women rape too. but the law doesn't even recognize that a women can rape a man (without penetrating him). How is this not the clear denial of rape against men, which is an actual rape-culture by your definition.
19, trans woman, neet
> 1)What does feminism mean?
The word itself is supposed to mean believing that women deserve the same legal rights and status as men. But really, when people talk about feminism, they're normally talking about it as a social movement, not just an ideal.
2)Are you a feminist? Why or why not?
Probably not, but depending on who I'm talking to, I'll claim to be one regardless. Thing is, feminism is such a broad and messy term now, and it can encompass all kinds of worldviews. And many, many sects of feminism shit on trans people -- either by claiming that we're choosing our gender, and we should just be happy with who we are, or claiming that gender doesn't exist and everything is fucking post-modern (which doesn't explain gender dysphoria or sexual dimorphism).
I mean, I'm all for the equality of women, but I don't like how people pretend that feminism is an ideal (all those posts saying "If you believe in equality for woman, you're a feminist. That's all there is to it"). Feminism is a complex social movement with a less-than-enviable history about it, and in its current state especially, it's kinda full of garbage.
>>5735350
Her assumption that 99% of rapists are male is false. That is going by the government stats, yes, but government-defined rape (in the US) does not include made-to-penetrate. In other words, unless she uses a strapon or fingers him or something, it is not rape and only "sexual assault" according to the law. This is what gets the skewed statistic of 99%.
>>5735985
Yeah, that is pretty bogus. There's also the unfortunate fact that female-on-male rape is severely under-reported in general. But of course, everything bad that happens to men is because of the nebulous "patriarchy" (ergo, other men), thereby absolving women of blame. I'll give feminists one thing, they sure have managed to construct an ideological framework that manages to squirm its way out of anything. It's kind of like a lot of religions in that way.
>>5713536
17, m, student
1)feminism means fuck all in the west, where it's more or less equal. It should focus on places like saudi arabia desu
2)I do not consider myself a feminist
>>5736193
Oh yeah, sure, that's definitely not something that seems to be caused by the patriarchy. The feminists I've encountered don't seem to think female-on-male rape should be covered up, it's really just something that neither side tends to bring up. Though the patriarchy is a possible explanation of why it's not talked about - because it says men are supposed to be strong, men are reluctant to admit being raped, especially by a woman. Of course that's really just speculation, I don't really know why nobody talks about it.
>>5736360
>the patriarchy
You act as if there's some sort of evil organization keeping stronk womyn down.
>>5736381
Yeah I know that's what patriarchy theory sounds like to the uninformed, but it's really just describing how male-dominated societies (i.e. 99% of all cultures) happen to work. It's not some secret organization, it's just about social norms which arise naturally through normal human behavior.
It seems to me that the "Patriarchy" is an extremely limited and ultimately flawed theory that attempts to frame what is fundamentally a class issue as a gender issue.
>>5736381
No, you're just an idiot.
>>5736454
What makes you think it's a class issue? I mean there are definitely things that are class issues, but I think it's foolish to try to explain EVERYTHING as a class issue. I mean, the idea that women are supposed to be submissive, and historically were expected to stay at home and wield little or no formal political power, doesn't really make sense as a class issue unless you consider gender to be a class of itself, which is little different than calling it a gender issue in the first place. And yes, historically many men were denied political power too, but in most of those societies, women were denied political power even if they were of a social class that would otherwise mean they had political power.
>>5733861
>A person can imply something when they make a statement they haven't fully considered.
yes but what does it matter if they didnt mean it?
also feminist tend to accuse people of terrible things when they make a statement they haven't fully considered.
I bet that you wouldnt but thats just my perception of the few very vocal feminist Ive seen
just saying
>perhaps that's true for you, but it's not at all true for me or how I decide on my beliefs.
>I say I am not a Nazi because I do not agree with Nazism. I say I am not a socialist because it would be disin.....
exactly, I dont disagree with feminism. but im not a feminist because of feminists
disagreeing with feminism means you disagree with the equality of rights between men and women and thats not right
im not a feminist because 1) although I'd support the cause it doesnt concern me directly and 2) because if I were to be id wouldnt want to be related to what people think a feminist is (whether right or wrong)
my point is that feminists are convincing people there are only 2 sides and that one is good and the other evil, id love to see a more honest movement that would fight for equal rights for both genders
If people were presented with a choice, maybe their ideas on the subject would change
and that is the supposed goal of feminists, to change people's perspective
>While most of the feminists I've known in real life have been nice people with mostly good ideas, I wouldn't base whether or not I identified with it on that. I could just as well be a reform Jew if my belief system was based on the coolness factor of people I met and I just treated my ideals as a clique. >Ideas mean more to me.
what do yuo do with your ideas?
I form my own and then set a path to make them happen
>>5713536
>1)What does feminism mean?
Bored, comfortable women who are trying to find some use for their gender studies degree
2)Are you a feminist? Why or why not?
No because I'm a man and while feminists lie about being concerned with men's issues they are more than willing to throw men under the bus if they can profit from it in any way. Protip: hint's in the name, fellas.
>>5735256
Poe's Law is strong with this one.
Is this how your Critical Theory-drenched Sociology professor explained away the cognitive dissonance between accepting the ways of the African and Islamic worlds while simultaneously rejecting violence against women?
>>5735252
>The fact that 99% of perpetrators of rape are male shows that [rape culture]exists
This logic is impeccable. You don't by chance work as an injury attorney?
If anything, it should be total prevalence of the act in question, and punitive measures for that act, that should indicate whether or not there is cultural acceptance around that act.
The West doesn't hold up.
>19, lesbian, student
1)What does feminism mean?
Equality for all sexes
2)Are you a feminist? Why or why not?
Yes, because women still face social inequalities
>>5713536
Today you can describe women's rights activist and feminism as parkour and freerunning. Women's rights activist fight against great indignities against women wear a feminist fight against man. Feminists are more along the lines of a joke when it comes to describing women's rights and there's even been several attempts to try to educate them about the ignorance, intolerance, and huge contradictions do they do to their own apps. An example is the SlutWalk to prove that you live in rape culture.
People who choose to be feminists often do so because they want something to complain about with the only thing they have to fight over or petty squabbles of the things that really have no value or meaning that eventually contradict themselves. An example of this is how there is no solid feminist battle against man, can I use the term salad because it constantly backfires as they want the exact opposite thing that they are fighting for in the end. In addition every grateful man has done against feminism in some form of matter such as when a man backs down from a woman in a bar and because she says she has a boyfriend instead of walking away when she says no as explained by Emma Watson, saying that man respecting her boyfriend instead of respecting her is not a great evil no is it a solid reason why he would back down. Any normal person of common sense can come up with at least six good reasons why a man would continue to hit on a girl if she didn't have a boyfriend. Bottom line feminism is something I use to tell the difference between smart and dumb people
1) Equality for all genders in every single aspect, including equal treatment, and opportunities.
2)Yes. The original meaning of feminism might have been distorted by radical feminists, but that can also be said for any one group having a certain set of beliefs (e.g. religious people). Some might argue that "humanist" is more inclusive, and I don't necessarily disagree, however, I find it insulting to a movement that has been vital to the vastly improved state of human rights, to have its name handed over to radicals who believe that the idea of demoting a gender or eradicating it, is the least bit acceptable.
>>5740383
whoops, forgot to add... 21, female, student
