It depends cos a lot of them claim to not have dysphoria. Some are some aren't i'm sure

>>5602787
no, every person's brain works differently, so there are a lot of different variations and you van't just say 'people who like wearing feminine clothes are trans.'

Are tannies just in denial fetishists? See how this works?

>>5602787
What if those things are not exclusive?

I mean is it unreasonable to think that a trans person can have a fetish that involves appearing as a women?
Does it even matter what you call it?

>>5602826
No. The two are mutually exclusive. It's the most serious emasculation fetish on this earth, besides the one where people end up desparately craving for women to kick them in the nuts. Half of those guys end up attempting to castrate themselves for that fetish.

>>5602836
>tfw gotta transition thanks to this stupid fetish

>>5602787

I hope not, OP. It's arousing to masturbate to exactly because of how humiliating and horrifying it would be to actually become a little girl in real life.

>>5602836

> It's the most serious emasculation fetish on this earth, besides the one where people end up desparately craving for women to kick them in the nuts.

You forgot about cucks.

>>5602843
People underestimate the lengths people will go through to fulfill a significant sexual fantasy. They should try taking a human sexuality class or two. We've got rape, rape/murder, castration, amputation, pedophilia, Losing control of your bladder so you must wear diapers full time, etc. Just because this specific fetish turns out to be attempting to become a living, slutty, teen fuckdoll and seems like a joke on paper, doesn't make this fetish any less real to the sufferer of it. Not being able to fulfill sexual fantasies can cause serious mental health issues.

>>5602870
Cucks and sissies are pretty damn close together, I'd almost comsider them exclusive. Many cucks are going to be aroused by forced feminization themes, simy because it represents the most emasculating thing a man can become, a girly girl. Sadly, some people are just wired to become most aroused when thinking of degrading things that could become of them. We are all representitive of our own sexualities, whether we know it or no Nature is relentless.

>>5602870
All those fetishes come in clusters anyways. I'm a tranny with emasculation fetish and I also enjoy cuck porn.

>>5602881
This

Becoming a tranny is relatively harmless compared to a lot of other fetishes. It's not surprising so many fetishes are going through with HRT, surgery, etc

>>5602892
While your normal heterosexual male turns his attraction to women outward, the emasculation fetishist turns his attraction to women inward, his attraction to women is fear, turned arousal of what he might become. So while he isn't attracted to men, but women, it isn't in the same way that a normal heterosexual male would be. While the normal heterosexual male seeks to one day marry a female in which he loves dearly, many emasculation fetishists will fall in love with emasculation, outside of the situation of arousal and seek to become that which they fantasize, women

My theory is that they visualize what they've seen in porn while doing sex acts/masturbating and it causes arousal while they do these things. Its not "Hes so hot! Hes so hot! Hes so hot!" but rather "This scene looks so good!"

>>5602992
i had a huge trap fetish for about 3 years. it was just something about traps that made me feel good while i was jerking it.
i decided to start mones because of this reason, mostly i think. but a few months into it i was just so..happy? i never knew how ugly i thought i was until i started feminizing. i'd look at my hips widen and it would just make my day. the trap fetish immediately vanished, i'm not kidding, like a week into it and i just couldn't anymore.

you might be on to something.

>>5602992
Can you reword?

>>5602787
Where is this photo from?

>>5605905

>Can you reword?

Yeah I suck at explaining shit. Basically I think some of them get off on the aesthetic of the dom/sub relationship (large masculine top dominating smaller feminine bottom) and feminize themselves to make the reality as close to the fantasy as possible, and when they are fucking or masturbating they are seeing the entire picture rather than just the man who is fucking them.

The reverse of this would be like that scene in american psycho where bateman is fucking the prostitutes, yet is looking in a mirror, more focused on himself than who he is fucking. I think crossdressers are basically doing the same thing except they are focused on how good they look getting pounded.

But like I said, its just theory and a bit of projecting.

>>5602787
To me, androgyny is art, but I'm also still into girls. I don't get off from looking more feminine, I get off from looking like what I consider to be attractive. Those happen to be feminine boys.
I don't know how rare bisexual bottoms are. I don't consider myself very special either way.
I just want to look the way I consider myself aesthetically pleasing. There is probably sexual fantasy or fetishism involved in there somewhere. I'm just not sure if it's me projecting myself onto them or projecting them onto me.

Considering I don't think sex is a very important thing in life. I think it's entirely possible for crossdressers/feminization fetishists to not be transsexual. Different people draw the line in different places. It's very possible for it to totally be the case. I just don't think you are bound to consider all of them transsexual, even if you say they're "in denial".

>>5606332
>Considering I don't think sex is a very important thing in life. I think it's entirely possible for crossdressers/feminization fetishists to not be transsexual.

Same. If anything I'm happier when I don't indulge in my fantasies, doing productive activities are much more fulfilling.

>>5602890
My boyfriends a cuck and he's not into the whole feminization at all.

I think it's more so guys like to lose control for a bit, the fear is what gets them off? At least in my experience

>>5606172
Ah, alright
That's a lot easier to understand than you're original post

>>5606172
I guess this makes sense. As one of these crossdressers, who pretty regularly has sex with men, I couldn't help but notice mals aesthetics don't really please me in any sort of way. The only thing I'm really attracted to is the scene of the situation. I'll have sex with pretty much any guy who makes me feel the way I like to feel and is not obese, and I'd rather not date men. I've tried dating a man before, he was good looking but I just wasn't attracted to him. I'm moreso attracted to him as a prop in sexual situations.

>>5602787

I like crossdressing femme guys but if they were actually mtf I probably wouldn't be interested.

I do think a lot of trans people use it as a way of testing the waters though.

>>5607918
Or a lot of people end up transexual because of it