I keep hearing on how racist it is for white gay males to not want to date outside of their race. As it is perceived that we live in a society that glorifies gay white males. Do you think gay white males are more inclined to date within their race then venture out?
>>5469403
Can we make a mega thread since there is already an interracial thread and has been one additional one every couple days.
>>5469403
Disgusting, to be honest.
Disgusting to date outside the race or just disgusting if they don't do it?
IIRC there was actually a study about this, Lesbians are most likely to date interracially, followed by gays then straights
>>5469517
source?
I haven't been in a gay relationship yet, but I personally would rather date outside of my race. I think all races are hot (even white males), but honestly I've found white males to be the least appealing to me. Are many gay men open for interracial dating? I always thought that they may be alienated from it.
>>5469549
From what I hear is that white gay men don't want to date outside of their race. But it comes from SJWs who think that if a white gay male has racial preferences to his own race its racism but if does prefer other races its just fetishism.
I'm white gay male, and I must admit that other "races" are not appealing to me, i've have an Asian boyfriend, but that's it.. otherwise I've always had White guys as a boyfriend or even as a one night stand. And it's the same for many of my gay friends, even if some of them are more open to the asian "race"
For myself i'm not at all racist I couldn't give a fuck if the guys are black yellow or white. But it is annoying to have to say "i'm not racist" everytime I say that I am only attracted to white dudes.
>>5469619
I'm personally attracted to a wide variety of guys but everyone has their own preference. I get a lot of attention from black and Latino men. If you're like "no Asians" or whatever it's douchey but still people are going to have their preferences.
>>5469663
I get attention from Asians most of the time.
I'm not like "no blacks no arabs", like on my grindr profile there is not of that shit, but I just don't find them attractive...
>>5469403
I think what gets my dick stiff is nobody's business but my own and the guy I happen to shack up with, so anyone who wants to call me racist for my racial preferences can fuck right off the edge of the nearest cliff.
>>5469403
Racism is a belief that a race is superior to others.
Your dick doesn't "believe". It just gets hard.
>>5469735
Obviously you are upset :3
>>5469403
Yeah most white gay guys are racist in dating but really my issue isn't them not opening up their arms it's there inability to understand desire and the desired person as transmitted in media itself is the root of the issue + their inability to critically examine that conditioning.
But like you won't see my ass crying over them, why date a man who is so disconnected from their mind and never question norms you know.
On another note all the guys I've dated have been fully or partially White, for a number of reasons. One of them being all the men of color I am attracted to either only like White men or because of the circles we are in are swamped by White people who make up the bulk of dating.
White folks aren't bad, I feel that like most people they just don't question things ever. They just so happen to also be a part of a larger socio-cultural framework.
Anyways here is my husbando of the moment :3
>>5469787
>>5469787
There is literally nothing wrong with being "racist" in dating, just as there is literally nothing wrong in being "sexist" in dating.
>>5470058
I mean bait but whatever
>>5469403
No anon....no. Just no. Anon you need a reality check.
>>5470069
What are you even going on about? Having racial preferences isn't any more "wrong" than having a preference for men/women. Anyone who suggests otherwise is probably harboring more than their fair share of unwarranted guilt.
>>5469403
Seriously why cant I have my preferences and just live my life in peace. Is that so hard?
Dating within your own race is preferential no matter your sexuality. KYS cucks.
>>5469663
As an Asian, it's not douchey, it's not racist. Full stop. Sexual preferences aren't a form of discrimination. This bullshit needs to die.
>>5470128
Racial preferences aren't inborn, rather informed by cultural and societal norms. That doesn't mean everyone will fall for them but it doesn't change the fact that gay media in most forms positions whiteness as a pinnacle.
That is racist, that is the root of this whole issue.
That and perceiving whole races in some uniform physical monolith that is below your own cultural and media informed norms.
>>5469787
>there inability to understand desire and the desired person as transmitted in media itself is the root of the issue + their inability to critically examine that conditioning
Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Maybe they just want to fuck other white dudes. Who the fuck are you to make that judgement? It's frankly none of your business who other people want to fuck and why. From one POC to another, this shit you pull is making it harder for all of us.
>>5470338
>From one POC to another
You know I can say I am a Samoan Muslim, doesn't mean I am or put more heft in my argument. Also some white guy on the internet won't get me to stop because they say I'm making it harder for them.
You want to know what makes things harder for people of color? Eurocentricism.
Still this very conversation is worth actually digging into, my first comment very much is about this. There are people who don't want to challenge why they do things, I'm not one of them.
>>5470328
>it doesn't change the fact that gay media in most forms positions whiteness as a pinnacle.
You can't determine the amount of influence that has on any given individual. It's not your call to make. Even assuming said individual WAS influenced by the white media, bitching about "racist" preferences is just going to drive them further away. Nobody likes being vilified for a sexual preference. You're literally making the divide worse.
The only way is to promote your own media to present yourself and your race in a better light. This isn't the kind of fight you can win by playing the victim. It's just not sexy.
>>5470367
>You know I can say I am a Samoan Muslim, doesn't mean I am
And you said you weren't white in your original post. You might be lying. We might both be straight white guys shitposting on some garbage forum. What's your fucking point?
>eurocentrism
And this is relates to my argument how?
I'm not calling you a dick because you "challenge the status quo". I'm calling you a presumptuous prick because you pretend to know why people are attracted to what they're attracted to. Fuck people like you.
>>5470395
There are enough studies that show how media effects peoples sense of beauty, I can see you are on the internet so you can look them up yourself.
Also I was speaking as a non-white person who is in a white gay community, you used POC to create some fictive kinship to silence me. Not the same thing.
>>5470410
Pertaining to race? Link if you have the study, I'm not defending your argument for you. You can't apply a statistical average to an individual either. Even if you can, you're just driving people further away. Nobody has ever become more attracted to you because called their non-attraction racist. If you really want to better the situation for people of your own race, support your own media. Present your race in a better light.
>fictive kinship
I was speaking as a gay POC who was tired of other gay POCs bullshit narrative with regards to this issue. Sexual preferences aren't racist.
This is now a /polgbt/ thread
Post cute /polgbt/ stories and pics!
>>5470458
Race is physical characteristics and media effects our notions of beautiful features. Skin color and facial features are effected and you can google it yourself because there are many papers and discussions around those topics.
If this were a discussion about the effects of gay porn with white actors in rural Zimbabwe I'd give a source because that's very specific but on such a well studied broad topic of Eurocentricism it's easily searchable.
Same sex desire is not the same as desiring a person of a particular height or weight or color or eyeshape. These preferences however are influenced greatly by media and there are many papers discussing them.
Again the POC qualifier is unnecessary in your usage because while you are most likely White your color has no effect on my view of your counter argument
>>5470518
What is even the point of your whining? It won't change any minds or my ability to get hard in the presence of certain races.
>>5470069
Name one thing wrong with someone choosing not to date outside of their race due to a lack of sexual attraction. And I mean wrong on a personal level, without getting into "social conditioning" bullshit. Name one thing that they, specifically, have done wrong by making that choice based on their own chemical/biological reactions.
>>5470531
I'm not whining, you are clearly however
>From one POC to another, this shit you pull is making it harder for all of us.
>I was speaking as a gay POC who was tired of other gay POCs bullshit narrative with regards to this issue. Sexual preferences aren't racist.
You're trying to censor people and crying that someone has a disagreement to you, I'm merely discussing the effects of Eurocentricism in gay communities and to tie that into OT how that influences partner selection.
>>5470535
Those chemical responses while based in biology are influenced by media.
As I have stated before I am here to talk about the root issue. I'm not upset when someone says they aren't into pepper of my race, rather I am interested in discussing and tackling the problem of Eurocentricism.
>>5470569
I'm not even the guy who you're arguing with, I'm white as fucking paper.
>>5470518
Again, cite the papers yourself if you want to use it. I'm not defending your argument for you. I can see that you're used to sitting on your lazy ass, but that's not gonna fly with me.
You don't know which part of someone's views were influenced by the media. If people can have sexual preferences that run against the media (fat admirers, age gap), then people can have sexual preferences that fall within the media. Maybe the media is catering to the people as well. It's a white country, most people are white. It makes sense that they would want to see people who are just like themselves on TV.
It has no affect on your argument, get you keep insisting that I am "probably" white? Why even address it if you have nothing to say about it? I say it, because you need to know that you don't speak for me. Fuck your bullshit. Whether I like it or not, your crappy behavior is reflected on me. It's just the way this world works.
The media promotes racemixing more than anything else these days and it is the stupidest shit ever. They insert it in literally everything. Its just a fad that has existed that is getting blown out of proportion by a bunch of fetishists
>>5470617
It doesn't promote it, the majority of media portrayals of couples are monoracial.
The only time I see prevalence of interracial unions is when the main protagonist/lead actor is of color.
>>5470588
I am all about self education and want to empower those who don't seem to understand they are capable they are to use a search bar and look up racial bias in beauty standards :-)
While certainly there are sub populations that do in fact go against media norms such as fat admirers or intergenerational they do so as niches/fetishes, something I never denied.
>>5469403
>be handsome asian guy
I don't really care about a guy's race as long as I'm attracted to him. In decreasing order of frequency I'd say it goes:
>Latinos
>Asians
>Whites
>Middle Easterners
-//-
>Blacks
I'm attracted to black guys far less often, probably because I grew up without interacting with many of them and have some latent prejudices.
Also
>turning down fuggo white boys who think I'd lower my standards for them
it's the best
You really have a hardon for this dont you. I'll tell you what go watch your interracial cuck porn and go away. Youre only bothering people.
You have done nothing but make people annoyed and view your token lifestyle choice in a poor light. No one here discriminates, so just leave, go back to tumblr and go cry in your echo chamber.
>>5470338
>From one POC to another, this shit you pull is making it harder for all of us.
>Present your race in a better light.
> I can see that you're used to sitting on your lazy ass, but that's not gonna fly with me.
holy shit i can't see your fat dorito dusted fingers from here you pastey neckbeard
so dumb. just, wow. i mean i knew this board was trash but i just needed a reminder i guess.
>>5470816
Bruh like love, much love. This guy who got butthurt with my statements doesn't get it but like what unlike about your post.
Your honesty, you freely admit your biases and you can also laugh about the eurocentric culture that gives subpar guys this idea that they because of their race are somehow intrinsically better.
>>5470840
Thank you because like I know I'm not insane in seeing the Doritos dust too.
>>5469403
>society that glorifies gay white males
Jesus fuck, what are you talking about. Diversity is spewed at a much more frequent level than anything else and you're shamed if you're white and not attracted to someone who is of a different color for any reason.
Personally I just ignore it. Calling white people racist is a default insult that society has made indefensible for whites, despite the fact that it's incorrect. It's along the same vein as the masc/fem spectrum. People like to get butthurt about everything these days, so just ignore it.
I prefer white guys because I find them generally more attractive. I shouldn't have to back up that statement with "I've been with black guys, mexican guys and 1 asian", but in this stupid PC world we live in, I have to to not sound racist, but then it'll be passive aggressively implied that I am because I have to bring it up in the first place.
I have no "racial preferences" since I'm not a racist :)
>>5470882
Your misconception is that being racist is this evil, indefensible thing. Just because you're racist it doesn't mean you're some sort of Bob Ewell.
Everyone's kinda racist--it's almost impossible to avoid as you put it. What matters is that people become comfortable acknowledging their own prejudices so that they can ask questions about it:
Where do these views come from? Who wants me to see the world this way? Who does this world view benefit?
etc
>>5470930
>Your misconception is that being racist is this evil, indefensible thing.
It isn't, if we're talking about the strict definition, but you're fooling yourself if you think that's how society at large views it. People don't call you a racist because they want you to have a moment of thoughtful self-reflection, they call you racist in an attempt to leverage your shame against you. It's an insult and something that immediately puts the target on the defensive, which typically leads to Kafkatrapping wherein any attempts to deny the label are seen as proof that the label applies.
>>5471045
You're right that most people use the term "racist" to "leverage shame against you" and claim some sort of moral highground.
I hate those people too, they're fucking stupid--but the best you can do is just admit it. Denying that you're racist is what gets these people's dicks hard and lets them claim the highground (in their minds).
>>5471045
Well maybe but it's also recognizing anon and I aren't trying to do that here.
>>5471064
Eh. Sometimes there is a benefit to a shaming, sadly we live in a world in which getting people to put their backs to the wall forces systemic change.
I feel as though these sorts of things are only the first step for many but not all people to then dig deeper you know?
>>5471023
>This is actually something that is not politically correct by any means, its saying "I'm not racist I fucked a black guy"
I'd ask if you're illiterate, but you managed to respond to my post, so that question is null. I honestly have no idea as to how to respond to your post other than, you're fucking retarded. Stay butthurt my colored friend :^)
>>5470930
>Your misconception is that being racist is this evil, indefensible thing.
Liberal society has painted that misconception. People don't suck on a general level, but in my experience I would rather not interact with most black people, Indians, first-gen Asians and mestizos.
>>5471064
>>5471071
Tone is difficult to get a sense of through text, and as the vast majority of people don't use the term as you do, I apologize for leaping to that conclusion.
However, you are likely to find quite a number of people on 4chan specifically, simply due to the nature of those most typically drawn to this site, that have had such labels leveraged against them and will immediately assume the worst of your attempts to do so here. It would be more all-encompassing and accurate to say that EVERYONE discriminates and holds prejudices and biases, both positive and negative, some of which might have been ingrained or learned from personal experiences or from the wider culture. But that isn't just limited to race, it encompasses nearly everything about how we view the world around us.
>>5471206
>>5471206
>Liberal society has painted that misconception
I don't have any evidence of my own either, but I've always thought of it more as something like this:
We, as a collective American society, want to desperately move past our ugly history of genocide, slavery, internment, human experimentation, etc. Unfortunately, with that comes the optimistic conflation that the root causes for these ugly things (racism) is gone, too, even though they are not.
So I've always thought of the misconception that racism==pure evil as something we're all collectively responsible for, liberals and conservatives alike.
>>5471206
Girl calm down it's 4am in the morning
I'd rather not associate with most white people but the fact of the matter is we live in a society where inspire of continued self segregation we have to interact with other people and it's best we tackle these issues because whether we like it or not the world as we know it won't have any sort of total racial war anytime soon.
>>5471211
Right, so everyone have personal prejudices but it's important to understand that while such biases are imbued in all people the world we live in reaffirms and propagates racism in unequal ways were everyone does not equally end up in the same position.
That is the root of what I've been trying to say, these bias are the result of a deeper dynamic that should be openly discussed.
Tone totally is hard to gauge on here but I think we can do well in not assuming the absolute worst in people who aren't directly trying to insult or be obviously passive aggressive.
anti-minority rhetoric on /lgbt/ is really fucking annoying considering /pol/ isn't even this racist. very few of the white guys on here are actually attractive so most of this anger probably stems from some experience where these white neckbeards were rejected by nonwhites.
pic related it's white tripfags. none of them are remotely aesthetically pleasing except for the persian and the heron dude. so much for whites being less ugly than nonwhites.
>>5471253
You're falling into the trap of becoming their equal and opposite. In other words, contributing to the problem you're worried about.
>>5471253
This is really strange to me. I started browsing 7chan's /men/ when I was around 14 and was a regular on the IRC server and everything. It was a good time--I didn't feel unwelcome for being Asian once, even though there were mostly white guys. I got to explore my sexuality pretty comfortably, and nearly a seven years later I'm pretty happy being a homo.
But /lgbt/ is just this constant clusterfuck
I fucking love turks and arabs even though I know they're most difficult personality-wise. Your dick doesn't think it just feels.
>>5471295
If NPrime, Baron, Cor, Inty, Bunmo, Tertiary, Nick, or any of you happen to read this:
Thanks for helping me mature and become confident and comfortable with whom I am!
- weiners
I think it's a normal thing to have a ''prefered race'', but if you're one of those who exclude an entire race from your dating possibilities then chances are that you're really racist, pal.
Even if in the most unintentional way.
I'd doubt someone who keeps their mind that shut might be really doind that unintentionally, but anyways, it's not really something to get angry at, it's not like you owe sex to anyone
Whites and Asians are too emasculated these days. I'm not into twinks or limp wristed video game nerds, a guy must be packed with testosterone.
>>5470930
>Everyone's kinda racist
Black people being racist doesn't really matter because they lack the socio-economic-politcal power for it to mean much. White people being racist means a lot more because they have all that power. So even if everyone is kind of racist the effects of that racism are completely different depending on what race you are.
Also your questions are stupid. Racism is not an existential crisis. It's a part of reality. It's not a matter of finding your inner youuuuu. It's about understanding history, sociology, and anthropology.
God i swear Mad Men was the worst thing that ever happened to white boys of this generation. Everyone thinks there's some deep meaning to them being shitty people now.
>>5471045
This mentality is why it's hard to talk about race with white people. They immediately feel like they're being attacked. For racial minorities the discussion is an ever present fact of life. For white people it doesn't exist until someone brings it up. Then it's like someone spilled dirt in their milk.
It's not a matter of denying that you're racist. It's a matter of, if possible, explaining how race was not the main factor in whatever is taking place that you're being called racist about.
Like you could take your statement and apply it to most accusatory statements, you're a liar, you're a pedo, you're sexist, etc and if you try to counter that by explaining all the ways in which you're not those things you will probably end up looking more like them.
There are problems with the term, there are problems with how some people use it. Your post doesn't describe them. It describes how bad people are at arguing. And the majority of people are fucking shit at it. Obviously you're one of the majority.
>>5471328
>Black people being racist doesn't really matter because they lack the socio-economic-politcal power for it to mean much.
That depends entirely on what part of the world you're living in.
>>5471328
>Where do these views come from? Who wants me to see the world this way? Who does this world view benefit?
Isn't that understanding history, sociology, and anthropology...???
>>5471335
Eh. Save for Zimbabwe there isn't any other real example. Mugabe wasn't able to oust all of them and the remaining White Zimbabweans are overall still very powerful and can't be touched.
As a 30 year old white masc I only like slightly fem arab or latino men.
To which lucky dude will I give a green card?
>>5471360
Why post someone who is obviously mixed race if you call yourself white?
good question, OP.
it's a well-known fact that african-americans have significantly higher rates of std infection, but if condoms are used, that shouldn't be a problem.
>>5469403
In my experience, yeah, and they act like fucking outside of their race is tax deductible charity or something
>>5471366
There are no white people in USA
I believe there is nothing wrong with having strict racial preferences. Anyone who says otherwise is either incredibly insecure, or has some white guilt.
That being said, I am a gay white male that would never consider doing anything remotely sexual/romantic with a black or white man.
I'll just leave this here.
>>5470840
Lol, nice projection there. I'm actually underweight, but keep trying. Retarded leftie shitstains like you is what's keeping me from dating other POCs, not "latent Eurocentric programming". It's a shame because I prefer people of my own race. I just don't like the retarded crap they usually spout.
As a brown latino on the lighter side of the spectrum, white cock is best cock. Period :3
>>5470778
It's about learning to defend your own arguments, son. You want to make a point, you gotta defend it.
>niches/fetishes
Which happened in spite of "white programming". If people's attraction against the grain can exist in spite of popular media, it can also exist with the grain in spite of popular media. You haven't addressed this point at all. Changing the name doesnt nullify it. Is it really that hard to believe that most white people just want to date those who look like them?
>>5471335
How about sweden? anyon elive there?
>>5469403
>its racist to not date outside of your race
>its racist to exclusively date outside of your race
>its racist to date one race too much
I've given up, fuck people who want to call me racist.
>>5473007
I find it that people who make these claims are either 1) too bored at home so they make up shit or 2) are made because someone who they find attractive that is white don't want them.
