Doesn't look like Denmark cares about mtf/ftm
I don't know how this works in other countries, but I can tell you how it works in Denmark.
>waiting list is ~1 year
>only one place in Denmark where you can get this done
>Have to drive 160+ miles every week
>several months go with questions about me
>must complete a questionnaire every time I visit
>they have to touch your dick for some reason.
>100+ questions everytime
>"Do you see energy orbs floating around other people?" shit like that
>finally done with all these "interviews"..
>>5464217
now here is the best part:
>"Well anon.. don't you want breasts?"
>wut? ofc I want boobs?
>"Hmm.. Why do you want to become a woman, Anon?"
>Have you forgot what we talked about the last couple of months!?
>"It's just that you don't talk a lot about wanting to get breasts.."
>But I don't think thats the most important part of being a woman!?
>"I think it's best if you just learn to live with what you already got. I can get you a psychologist if you want?"
>But I already talked with one for months?!
>"Well Anon I think we can't help you. you can sign up again and wait 1 year, then we will look at your case again."
So that was almost 2 years wasted.
Is there a really great place to get hormones that ships to Denmark or should I just kill myself?
>>5464217
>the current year
>not self-medding
what were you thinking?
>>5464438
I can't self-med cuz It's impossible to get pills into my country from anywhere..
>>5464455
have someone buy them then mail them to you wrapped in tin foil inside of a hard drive case labeled with a random string of characters from https://www.random.org/strings/
that's how I buy my coke/ecstasy/lsd/meth from china/south-america/north-africa
>>5464532
Will try.
>>5464546
good luck fgt
I am so god damn glad I'm not European
>>5464586
I think it's only in Denmark where it's like this...
>>5464455
customs? why would qhi let denmark pay by bank transfer if they don't go there?
>>5464604
Norway also doesn't allow importation of medication anymore. And until now, I thought they were the only ones. UK anons are relatively lucky among Europeans for having QHI in their borders.
I guess europe just made it impossible to be a tranny
>>5464217
Try getting it done in sweden maybe?
>>5464710
Thank fucking god
It's true that across Europe gender identity clinics treat trans people as if they are mentally retarded clinically insane children who need to go through years of gatekeeping for whatever reason. The whole system needs to change.
I'm in the UK and told my GP I was trans and asked for a referral to a GIC at the start of October. I still haven't received any letters or news of anything.
When the letter arrives I'll be added to the 18 months+ waiting list.
When it is finally my turn for an appointment, it will be required I spend at least 6 months doing RLE,
which basically means you have to be full time pre-mones or you won't get treatment.
>>5464220
doesnt qhi ship to denmark?
>>5465571
Pretty much the same shit in finland. At least I can still get meds via mail (I hope)
En af mine venner er på vej igennem det samme BS på SK.
Hope it all works out for you.
>>5465600
yah qhi still ships here luckily, self med 4 lyfe
>>5465610
I'm still super nervous my meds get randomly intercepted and they ask for my prescription
It's easier to be trans in Middle East countries like Iran rather than Europe
Especially Nordic countries, they have probably the best gender equality in true socialist style so people don't really "get" what trans even is
>>5465613
desu so am i, hasn't happened so far in 2 years tho
>>5465616
What does sterilization even mean, though, in that context? Both HRT and SRS are, technically, sterilization, at least in the case of MtFs.
>>5465571
The idea of RLE spooks me. What the hell would I have to do differently? Give a new name in Starbucks and use the other bathroom? And how the fuck am I meant to use the other bathroom if I nowhere near pass pre-mones?
>>5465685
It's that you won't be officially recognized as the gender you identify as before you're sterilized/castrated. At least in Finland you also need to divorce if you're married.
>>5465571
>It's true that across Europe gender identity clinics treat trans people as if they are mentally retarded clinically insane children
They are. Wanting to chop off your dick is clear sign you are mentally retarded.
>>5465699
>oh it's this post again
>be American
>walk down to the informed consent clinic
>get hormones
>get shot
>>5465792
They put you on injections day 1? Some trannies have all the luck...
>>5465792
>be european
>spend years going to the shitty trans clinic
>waste of time
>get raped and killed by muslim immigrants on the transit before you get treatment
>>5464217
I read that as rhythm and was sad because a mtf is unable to shake his money maker to please straight alpha males who want to fuck his boiholeei. :(
>I bet the jews did this dot swf
>>5465810
Different breed and different concentration. Urban euro areas can be like 30-60% radicalized first or second generation immigrants straight from war torn areas.
>>5465807
>Be Canadian.
>Be kind of like UK, but with physicians that badly want to use the IC model of the US.
>Show up with DIY hormones, say: "I'm taking these, and happier for it".
>"Well then we'd better get you more and some blood tests, eh*?"
> Have to wade through five kilometers of snow drift to get mones home.
Every place has its perils.
*the 'eh' is only implied, never uttered.
>>5465829
>it's like 10% in the worst places
Lolno. Thankfully a lot of the immigrants are from non muslim areas.
>the nordic countries referenced in the thread are all low single digits
Thank god for that and let's hope it stays that way. Not that I have to worry as long as I don't pass :^)
>>5465833
Canada is like the best country to be trans in... They've also been keen on helping children to transition, where as pretty much all other countries have made it next to impossible.
>>5464217
>they have to touch your dick for some reason
PENIS INSPECTION DAY CONFIRMED
>>5465571
It's kind of odd to be a burger and see one area where we tend to be a lot more progressive with LGBT shit than Euros. I guess that's probably because our healthcare is privatized. If there's a market for transgender things, private clinics are going to want to get that cash.
>>5464710
>this happy about soviet relic failed states suppressing negative rights and individualism
>>>/northkorea/
>>5465699
>implying you know better than all of America's doctors
Moonbat, please
>>5465571
>I'm in the UK and told my GP I was trans and asked for a referral to a GIC at the start of October. I still haven't received any letters or news of anything. When the letter arrives I'll be added to the 18 months+ waiting list.
I don't necessarily think this is a problem because we're trans but rather that we have a Tory government who cares very little for the NHS. Of course, because we're trans, we're bottom of the list of priorities, but all other services are being strained too.
>>5466074
Wouldn't privatizing it just fix everything. Amerifats can get hormones effortlessly therapists less likely to abuse patients too. Beats multi year waits op suffered from.
>>5466074
>tfw conservative trans person
>>5464217
>only one place in Denmark where you can get this done
Denmark is tiny, though. It's half the size of Maine. If there's only one hospital in Denmark that can do a very specific kind of surgery, that's to be expected.
>>5465599
if you got a prescription, sure? But I don't
>>5466165
No, you don't. If you needed a prescription nobody would be buying from QHI.
You are so goddamn entitled.
>Poland
>you have to sue parents for gender change
>no trans healthcare
>no anti-discrimination laws
>new govt will block any changes because apparently gays will change gender so they can get married and a guy sticking a dick in another guy is the worst thing eva
>>5466281
Is... is Poland /pol/and?
>>5466281
At least you don't have to worry about muslims.
>>5466251
Do you live in Denmark?
>>5466310
No.
If they open your package they're not gonna let it through, even if you have a prescription.
>>5464220
>they actually screen you for mental illnesses before chopping you up
>won't let your penis get split if theres a even a bit of doubt
>tiny tiny country, don't act like 160 miles is more than a brief journey
thats only a good thing, you nigger
>>5466324
but you will get a little note in the mail, most likely with a fine attatched to it, unless said drug is on the blacklist then they are bringing you in
>>5466292
We are the place to be!
*given you're not different in any way whatsoever
>>5465571
Tfw spend 2 months waiting to get my official doctor perscribed hormones in the USA
>>5466339
The thing is I was told that I was normal. No mental disorders.
I just didn't talk enough about wanting to get boobs.
Also 160 miles is a lot in a small country where you have to pay almost $6 per gallon. And public transport aint that cheap either.
>>5466427
USA!
USA!
USA!
>>5466445
> This
This here is the real issue with gatekeeping as a practice. It demands that we be caricatures - 2D cutouts of human behaviour that perfectly correspond to the individual therapist's prejudices and expectations.
In cases like OP's, if that arbitrary criteria is not met? If the person is not the woman or man their therapist expects? Then they won't be helped.
A more subtle, but still harmful practice is still very common here. If a trans woman doesn't show up to an appointment in a fashionable and seasonally appropriate dress, with carefully applied makeup and the correct female mannerisms for her therapist? That therapist may suggest that they'll need a little longer to decide if transition is appropriate. If the patient were really serious, she'd have worn heels, right? Give it 6, 9, 15 months of this and you wind up with a person that is even more deeply self-conscious about their every action. A person who has had to mold themself to the accepted model of their therapist, not only in dress but in professed attitude and expectation. In the end, a process intended to help the person be more authentic has just given them a new, fragile facade to defend lest they fail to achieve what they were after all along.
Is it any wonder there are all these trans people at one another's throat over being "fake trans"?
We need therapy. We need a support network. We do not need an obstacle course in order to be allowed to control our bodies, our social identities, and our selves.
Sounds just like Norway.
Up here in the north, you can't get a second opinion, it's just this one team down in the captial of this stretched country, under one head bitch who's high on power. They absolutely infantilise their patients. You have to dance for them just right in order to get treatment, and that treatment is one size fits all.
Gatekeeping fucks.
Has the system been criticised in the Danish media? There have been some rumblings in Norway over the past couple years.
On a more personal level, the situation here is that if you know who to ask you may be able to get private treatment. I suggest you ask around a little.
>>5466541
>>5466541
>>5466541
Amen.
>>5466541
>It demands that we be caricatures
This is the worst part desu. If the gatekeeper decides you need to be a guy in drag then you gotta be a guy in drag for however long they like. If you dont pull it off and embrace it 1:1 how they want it's too bad, no diagnose for you.
>>5465992
Fuck you Spain. I'm right next to you amd been waiting over a year and I still got 2 left and they might end up not even accepting me.
Fucking poortugal
>>5466416
Lmfao that pic's hilarious
>>5465841
Unless you're in alberta. Fuck.
>>5465689
Wtf...How is any of that shit not human rights abuse?
>>5471043
It most likely is but it's very old law and no one has just bothered changing it since there aren't many politicians who even know what trans issues are to work on it. And most people don't know it either so it's not worth for baiting votes like gay marriage is. Our Amnesty is working on it but I doubt it's going to change in a long time with this climate(migration + economic crisis) and government.
>>5470504
It used to be. We got woomyns rights decades before you guys and lack the whole racism charade so the progressive forces have been much harder to rile up. I'm pretty sure finland has trans rights within 5 years as they've been drafting the law reform for quite some time now.
Here's the requirements for Finns and some other Europeans too if you want to be legally recognized as the gender you identify as:
- must prove you're sterilized(hormone treatment/castration)
- give a medical settlement that you "belong to the opposite sex" and live as the role of the gender you prefer
- be at least 18 years old
- agree that your current civil marriage is changed to civil union
>>5464217
well at least you CAN do it. fucking greece won't even let you start hrt. it's practically non-existent here. stop you're complaining and just suck it up.
>>5465616
>It's easier to be trans in Middle East countries like Iran
maybe only iran you fuck. every other middle eastern country is homophobic and transphobic as fuck. how can people say the middle east is better than europe? i've lived in both and can definitely say the middle east is far worse.
>>5471383
Is that true? I'm currently staying in Athens because of my boyfriend, but still get my hormones from back home. Do your pharmacies not carry any of the meds or is it that your docs just won't prescribe it?
>>5471397
docs won't prescribe it. and because of that i have no idea if they carry meds. if they are meds cis women normally take, then yes they probably carry them. otherwise i have no idea.
>>5466339
I agree with this a bit. But I think "even a bit of doubt" is overreacting because changing your mind after some months on hrt isn't the worst thing that can happen. Surgery is a bit more serious though but that happens later. Transsexualism should be treated just like any other disorder.
I don't like how the US handles it where people don't see a specialist and just buy the hormones off the internet because it's not covered by insurance anyway. It de-legitimizes us. If someone asks me what's up I can tell them I was diagnosed by a professional and my treatment is covered by the state. That's a huge relief for me. Anyone who asks transsexuals to explain themselves are probably americans. Europeans are more prone to asking "why is the state entertaining these people?" Which is good because professionals back their shit up with science.
>>5466057
Things like IC and self-medding that americans have more access to don't really enrich clinics, you'd be better off trying to argue that the socialized medicine is an opportunity for bs bureaucracy rather than privatized medicine being so much better for trannies, that stuff has also led to fewer doctors willing to treat trannies in some areas if they have a choice and even attacks on trans care in-general since medical standards and policies can still be influenced by politics like when the conservative right teamed up with terfs to get trans insurance coverage removed, something we're still struggling to reverse.
>>5471402
Wow that sucks. Do they give any reasons as to why they won't prescribe it? Like not having any knowledge with trans care and therefore not feeling comfortable with it or are they just being dicks?
Would you say Greece is trans-friendly or can it be dangerous to be openly trans here? I'm asking because a lot of people seem quite homophobic so I'm guessing they don't feel very different about trans people.
Hope you don't mind me asking, just curious since I'm probably going to stay here for a while.
>>5471410
>I was diagnosed by a professional and my treatment is covered by the state. That's a huge relief for me.
That doesn't really work for the US because it just draws claims of "stealing muh tax dollars!" and "ivy league liberal doctors making up disorders".
>Anyone who asks transsexuals to explain themselves are probably americans
Nice bs claim based on your feels instead of any actual statistics.
>>5471383
They won't help you here unless you got a job and/or you're going to school. I graduated from high school and havent gotten to higher education yet, job situation is 0 where I live therefore no access to treatment. Some of this legislation is bizarro shit, basically equivalent to a doctor who wouldn't prescribe antidepressants to people who are depressed because depressed people are unstable.
>>5464217
My experience with Sweden(Uppsala) is that they screen you for mental illnesses but don't talk about trans issues at all. Instead I had to convince my psych to not withhold hormones for completely unrelated issues (like bringing my mother along for emotional support, and having social anxiety). Every time I failed to do this I had to wait three months for the next appointment.
>>5471434
>That doesn't really work for the US because it just draws claims of "stealing muh tax dollars!" and "ivy league liberal doctors making up disorders".
The point is that it redirects the criticism towards the experts instead of the patients. Assholes have no case criticizing me directly.
Reading this stuff is making me nervous since I have my first therapy appointment in a week, but I live in burgerland, Things are supposed to be a lot better for trans shit over here, right? My therapist isn't going to make me crossdress as a hon for half a year before they'll give me hormones, right?
>>5471467
awww.. I was thinking about going to Sweden to get this done, but it sounds just as shitty.. :c
>>5473094
I believe it's better. But still a minimum of 1 year wait. There's also big variation depending on where in the country you go.
