http://www.nyc.gov/html/cchr/html/law/gender-identity-legalguidance.shtml
Can't wait until Islam takes over and starts exterminating you race traitors
>>5445573
>250k% fine for using wrong pronouns, no matter intended or unintended.
RIP WHITE RACE
>>5445573
Too lazy to click and read that. Amuse me by telling me what it says and by posting about how angry you are.
>>5445596
say whaaaaaat?
Do any sane transpeople even want this? I certainly don't; not only is it plainly unconstitutional and disproportionate, but a law like this will only cause more people to resent us than already do.
this is why people hate you faggots.
>>5445728
part of the reason, at least
I'd like to see this in a court case.
Seriously this couldn't possibly.
I can't even.
I bet the jews did this.
t. angry lesbian
>1. Failing To Use an Individual’s Preferred Name or Pronoun
>2. Refusing To Allow Individuals To Utilize Single-Sex Facilities and Programs Consistent with Their Gender
>5. Providing Employee Benefits that Discriminate Based on Gender
>Transgender care is medically necessary, effective, and even life-saving for many transgender people. Transgender care includes a range of treatments, including, for example, hormone replacement therapy, voice training, or surgery.
>The Commission can impose civil penalties up to $125,000 for violations, and up to $250,000 for violations that are the result of willful, wanton, or malicious conduct.
>>5445715
Why yes, I do want legal protection from discrimination and harassment from my employers
>>5445763
but does Bob really need to get fined a quarter million dollars because he won't call you ms, she, her, Janet?
>>5445771
Yes. Yes, he does. Bad people deserved to be punished.
>>5445763
Oh, definitely; I'm talking specifically about this law, the penalties seem vastly out of line with some of the infractions that can trigger them.
>>5445771
"Up to".
Generally, fines are determined proportional to the harm caused and some discretionary punitive amount. This is why you can observe the increased fine allowance for cases involving malice and willful cruelty.
>>5445630
Seems to be an attempt at a law to end gender-based discrimination against anything that falls out of the existing male and female sex/gender...
This thread seems to belong to /pol/, unless I'm missing something.
>>5445596
>up to $250,000 for violations that are the result of willful, wanton, or malicious conduct.
>the result of willful, wanton, or malicious conduct
>up to
Wow it's almost like polturds are being deliberately obtuse
>>5445715
i do
>>5445921
>What determines how much is actually fined?
Your privilege.
>>5445921
the easiest way to minimize the fine is to not break the law
>>5445921
The Commission can impose civil penalties up to $125,000 for violations, and up to $250,000 for violations that are the result of willful, wanton, or malicious conduct. The amount of a civil penalty will be guided by the following factors, among others:
* The severity of the particular violation;
* The existence of previous or subsequent violations;
* The employer’s size, considering both the total number of employees and its revenue; and
* The employer’s actual or constructive knowledge of the NYCHRL.
do people not know how to read
>>5445915
The Commission can impose civil penalties up to $125,000 for violations, and up to $250,000 for violations that are the result of willful, wanton, or malicious conduct.
mistakes could cost you half that.
>>5445943
* The severity of the particular violation;
>>5445596
The law only applies only to intentional misgendering.
>>5445715
It's not unconstitutional, unless you're going to claim that all protections against a hostile workplace are unconstitutional. And it's not disproportionate either, $250k sounds like a lot but that's the upper limit, presumably reserved for extreme and repeated violations and/or companies so big that anything less would be a slap on the wrist.
>>5445771
This only applies to employers, not individuals. And it's UP TO $250k, typical cases will likely be much less.
i wish i could get paid everytime someone slightly hurts my feelings.
i would be rich.
>>5445936
Is there actually a procedure for calculating the fine, though, or is the commission simply guided by those factors and free to choose a fine arbitrarily within the ranges allowed?
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>>5445936
>>5445921
Which all means that the if a big profitable company. It is a big fucking pay day for the tranny.
So just do a Cartman. Put a bow in your hair. Claim to be transgender. Wait till someone in your chain of bosses uses the wrong pronoun. Sue and file charges. Cash a $250,000 check and take a vacation.
>>5446141
>the /pol/ idiot watches south park
wew
>>5446141
Holy shit you people are stupid. Learn to read. Penalties are paid to the city, not the complainant.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/cchr/downloads/pdf/decisions-and-orders/Commission%20on%20Human%20Rights%20ex%20rel%20%20Cardenas%20v%20%20AMRC%20--%20Decision%20and%20Order.pdf
"IT IS FURTHER ORDERED, that no later than thirty (30) calendar days after service of this Order, Respondents pay a fine of $250,000 to the general fund of the City of New York."
>to the general fund of the City of New York
Contrast that with the paragraph above:
"IT IS HEREBY ORDERED, that no later than thirty (30) calendar days after service of this Order, Respondents pay Complainant-Intervenor"
>pay Complainant-Intervenor
>>5445573
It must be so painful to be pol, where society just gets worse and worse and they wait for a race war that will never come.
>>5446208
I don't see the point in making employers pay money to the city because they use the wrong pronouns.
>>5446266
So people don't deliberately misgender people
>>5446189
That actually seems worse; now the city has a perverse incentive to make sure the fines are the maximum possible.
>>5446274
oh no what a nightmare!
>>5445715
>unconstitutional
>>5446327
yeah I don't expect /pol/ to get it because they are literally incapable of empathizing with anything that isn't a straight white dude
but being a bigoted piece of shit is bad for business. if they don't like you, they won't want to work for you or give you their money.
>>5445715
Don't give yourself any illusions about this. The more protections for LGBT people we enshrine in law the less okay people will think it is to shit on LGBT people.
>>5446360
and the more they think you are insane retards ready to go into emotional breakdown at any moment.
if you want to be treated like retarded children, then this might be good for you then.
>>5446333
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
>>5446344
If being a bigoted piece of shit is bad for business, why not let the bigoted pieces of shit go out of business naturally? Why is a law needed?
>>5446445
Because most people are bigoted pieces of shit.
You could not come to that conclusion by your own?
Don't you think you need to teach and force sociopathic kids about empthy?
>>5446445
>free market will guarantee protection of equal rights
>>5446401
Honestly the only people I see having a problem with this are bitter mouthbreathers who hate seeing minorities treated with respect because it threatens to diminish whatever relative social standing they have granted to them by the simple virtue of being straight and white.
It costs nothing for someone to be kind and understanding and use desired pronouns at someone's request. In this case literally.
>>5446457
noone wants laws that force them to be nice to someone.
>>5446437
There are already laws against creating a hostile environment for employees. Harassment of employees isn't protected speech, because employment occurs within the terms of a contract with the government in which you agree to abide by the government's terms regarding employment. You can still misgender trans people as a private citizen as that is protected free speech, but if you do so in your role of the employer you have violated the terms of the contract and must face the consequences. Now, you might argue that the terms of the contract are changed without your consent, but that's how all laws regarding employment work - you consent to them by continuing to be an employer. It's not like the laws are kept a secret from you, if you don't like the new terms you can end the contract at any time by ceasing to be an employer.
>>5446510
If they were willing to be nice on their own, the laws wouldn't have been necessary. They brought this on themselves.
>>5446510
Hey, it's not illegal, you just gotta pay a fine!
But I know your type. Literally any advice to be nicer to people is met with rolling and kicking on the ground and screaming whatever bullshit because MUH FREEDOM OF SPEECH
>>5446532
Fair enough.
>>5446568
most people dont like it when small groups are given special rights over everyone else.
>>5446596
I'm pretty sure cis people could use this law too so it's not like that's what's happening here
>>5446596
How often is misgendering used to harass cisgender people? I certainly agree that the same law should apply to them at least in theory, but in practice it might not be common enough to justify the costs of implementing and enforcing it.
>>5445795
>the penalties seem vastly out of line with some of the infractions that can trigger them
Dude what? You're talking about the USA here, overblown ineffective punishments for 'justice' are basically the cornerstone of the judicial system. I'm surprised it's not 6 months to 4 years in prison but I guess 250 grand is also nice.
>all these triggered mras
>>5446850
the mra movement is like a parody of feminism in that a bunch of dudes who didn't like sexism being pointed so they made a movement and basically aped how they understood feminists work but like for men
and then all they do is bitch about feminism anyways
>>5446539
This. Get fucked transphobes. You brought this law on yourselves by making us a special brand of second class citizens.
>>5446872
>>5446327
Why is /pol/ full of edgy teenagers? If they all weren't all bitter white virgins they would understand.
>>5447053
it's a containment board. edgy teens hear from their friends about the SEEKRIT CLUB 4chan and then go to /b/ to join the ANONYMOOSE LEJUN
then they realize that /b/ is largely shit and their CRUSADE threads are relatively rare. hence, pol.
>>5445573
>c. Enforcing a policy in which men may not wear jewelry or make-up at work.
sweet. it's time to come out as a juggalo
>>5446609
>How often is misgendering used to harass cisgender people?
Often.
>>5447202
Really? Then yeah, it should apply to them too.
>>5447211
Where you will find it is in the blue collar working class.
>>5445573
You know that islam is only winning because of you retards on the "stormfront" right?
You are so blatantly bigoted that people would rather do whatever it is they have to do just to not be associated with you. And since big companies are jumping in on these things (immigration included) for PROFITS, you're just fucking everything up all over.
Stop hating on LGBT and stop having filthy opinions based on scripture. Start basing your hatred in facts and, if at all possible, cut the hatred completely and just state facts trying to steer decisions. But nooooooooo, you just haaaaave to hate on gays, right?
You conservatards are your own worst enemies.
>>5447718
What the fuck are you talking about? The US doesn't really have a Muslim problem because we haven't let them in our country in hordes like some of Europe has done. It's the far left wing parties in Europe that have let Islam invade the west.
>>5447735
It's coming.
And the religitards are paving the way for sharia.
>>5447747
No, it fucking isn't. The Muslim population is tiny here.
>And the religitards are paving the way for sharia.
They're literally dying off.
>>5445573
>OP HERE
Reading all the batshit-insane comments only proves my point
REST IN PEACE WHITE RACE
/lgbt/ mudslime loverboys will pay for their crimes
>>5450028
How is the right to harass your employees going to help us defeat ISIS?
The transgender responses ITT are really, really cringey
>>5450544
>Civil law allowing employees to sue if you break contract horrible
Whatever you say, familia
since I don't oblige to preferred pronouns, I am glad I live in the midwest and not NYC
>>5450028
i find it hilarious how ya'll think the white race is just this perfect thing but apparently it's also so fragile that fucking pronouns threaten to eliminate it.
If it's so vulnerable what's so great about it
>>5450617
you got a point, which race should I racemix with?
>>5446850
are you going to laugh as cringey as that when the shitskins throw you off a building?
>>5450798
Hispanic. We're fun people.
>>5450806
And how is banning harassment of employees going to increase the probability of that happening?
>>5450842
>tfw no qt based redpilled hispanic gf
>>5450855
>redpill
haha manchildren never cease to amuse
>>5450848
>banning harassment
>forcing people to pay 250 THOUSAND amerishekels when they misgender someone
nice shilling to be honest, shaking my head famille
>>5450914
>>forcing people to pay 250 THOUSAND amerishekels when they misgender someone
That's only the upper limit, for clearly intentional misgendering. And remember, this isn't a fine on individuals, but on employers, e.g. corporations. Anything less than a quarter million would be a slap on the wrist to many of them.
And besides, how are you supposed to ban harassment without enforcement? What punishment would you suggest as an alternative?
judges decide how much the fine is
did all of you skip out on like fifth grade civics
>>5445748
No, it's the UN and the Vatican.
>>5450581
no one gives a fuck what you oblige to
