What are Lesbian's opinions on having sex with a pre op or a post op mtf?
pic unrelated but related to allownace of gay marriage in greece yesterday
Both options are rape. We don't want to have sex with men, thats why we are lesbians.
>>5433699
Are you the "sane" second waver who thinks terf is a slur who has been posting the here the past few weeks?
>>5433699
This.
Trannies should respect that lesbians are into WOMEN, not mutilated men.
As a bi person I am open to it :) pre op or post op. To be honest my worry would be making the person feel good and making sure I didn't make them feel bad for any reason or make them feel dysphoria as a result of me touching them :(
>>5434113
Same. Also good job Greece, I'm embarrassed to be Greek and only find out about this through here though.
>>5433738
LOL, no, she isn't.
I'm not sure if you really mean me though, because I stated many times that I'm a dude.
I guess there really are many radfems on /lgbt/.
>tfw had sex with lots of lesbians pre op as stone and post op active
>tfw cis les gf
stay mad political lesbians ;)
>>5434192
They're literally the worst people to be around. Hideously unattractive and one-dimensional personalities and are as bigoted as the worst religious nut.
>>5433699
>>5433774
Take your "we" elsewhere, literally everyone except yourself can see straight through you and knows you're just spouting opinionated crap.
>>5433643
>implying anyone gives a shit about greece
>>5434130
>I'm embarrassed to be Greek
Where from friend?
>>5433643
I'm bi however if someone's post op, male or female, I won't have sex with them.
Also congratulations, Greece.
>>5434227
Well, I'm from Athens but don't actually live there anymore, you?
>>5433643
I'd fuck a post-op as long as she passes and never tells she was once a man.
Ironically, I'd want to dominate a feminine man but not really a pre-op. I could be bi-leaning but gender doesn't matter in an age of computers being our medium of communication.
>>5434351
Athens.
>>5433699
>>5434346
>>5433774
>Want to transition
>Hold off because I am mostly into women
>Lesbians are unanimously butthurt tumblr snowflake assholes
>Most are butch and gross too
>Don't want this to be my dating pool
>Depression increases every day I don't transition
>Stuck between a rock and a hard place
>>5434786
If you transition, there's a 60% chance you'll start likely men, and a 40% chance you'll stop liking women. And even if you don't get either of those, bi girls exist and generally care a lot less.
>pre op
No.
>post op
No.
Glad I could help you with that. Lesbians are into women, friend.
>>5434191
I actually thought that anon might have been talking about me, I was going to post saying "No she's not."
Apparently there really are a lot of radfems around these parts.
>>5435137
sauce?
>>5435137
I hope so.
OP, which one of those islands is Lesbos?
that island has been in the news a great deal of late.
>>5434203
>>5434786
>lesbians don't want to fuck MTFs
>y-you're u-ugly anyway!
When will you idiots give this shit up instead of being typical dudes who insult a woman's looks when she doesn't want to fuck you? "Lesbians are ugly" is the oldest lesbophobic insult in the book. Fucking trannies and tranny sympathizers.
>>5435165
keked leled loled laughed
>>5434352
you would be able to tell.
>>5435251
They act so much like straight men, is it any wonder that's how we see them?
>>5433643
No. i like vaginas not dicks or mutilated dicks
>>5435285
And their supporters act like straight girls. "OMG lezzies eat PUSSY ONLY? you mean you don't like DICK? EW what a nasty freak! I bet you only like girls for their pussy, nasty dyke!" Why is it so unbelievable that some women are not into penis?
>>5435317
I know, right? The whole thing is so incredibly rapey, and they hide behind "transphobia" to keep trying to force women to fuck them.
>>5435342
I just don't understand how people can go walk down the street, find only women hot, and then refuse to believe that you can only find pussy hot as well. Pussy and dick do not look the same, at all, and neither do men and women. If you can accept that some people are only into women, why can't you accept some women are only into pussy? It's fucking stupid.
>>5433643
4chan is the worst place to ask this.
My chronic trolling and playing transbians and lesbians against each other has caused most dykes here to become angry stormweenies.
Its their fault though really, if they weren't so easy to troll I wouldn't target them. All the other groups just ignore me, but they eat it up.
>>5435251
Not all trans girls act like that. I also have a genital preference. It's cock, and it would be hypocritical for me to expect any different from others. Please don't assume all trans girls are exactly what you expect. Most may be, but there are some normal ones too.
Cis les here; to be honest, I am one of the rare ones who truly just happens to be exclusively, intensely attracted to women as gender and not the genitalia. I don't really care about whether someone has a penis or a vagina, it all seems to be the same to me. They're just sex organs and as a very romantically-inclined monogamous person, I think I could appreciate either and any. But they do have to be and live as women (I don't care whether femme or not); there is a certain consistent energy with women that cannot be found in other genders.
But to be honest, I am hesitant about having sex with a trans woman with a penis who would not want to use her penis in any way or could not experience a pleasure/an orgasm. I know those things aren't mutually exclusive, but it would honestly make me pretty sad. I'm not really satisfied with the idea of someone just using their fingers and/or ass. Would appreciate some kind of genital involvement/connection, I feel that is important to sex.
I'm sure I'll get stormed by insecure dykes who will try to get me down by calling me biscum, etc. Really do not care. I don't understand all the fuss, seems like it's only really lonely white lezzies who have no chill.
>>5434762
Another Athens faggot reporting in
>>5436049
>women as gender
Honest question. Would lesbians date me if I told them i identify as a woman and act very sensitive and gurly?
Hairy ass bearded straight guy btw.
>>5436049
>But to be honest, I am hesitant about having sex with a trans woman with a penis who would not want to use her penis in any way or could not experience a pleasure/an orgasm.
Found the chaser who wants the delicious D
>>5436099
Person you replied to; I wouldn't. I think there is a pretty clear net of reasonableness here in terms of presenting and living consistently as a woman, there's really no need to lay out what precisely that means. I'm not sure why that's everyone's next thought.
>>5436105
I'll take it. I'm not sure how it makes me a chaser to not want to engage with someone who is physically or emotionally unable to have any kind of sex.
>>5434762
Oh sweet, so what are people saying about the whole thing? I only watched some videos of tv segments and I was just slightly horrified with all the shit I heard.
>>5436049
so your bi.
real lesbians are not attracted to men, no matter what kind of medications and surgeries they have had
I've never met or seen a trans woman I've found attractive. If animu traps came to life, I might go for that desu, because they really just look like women with cocks. Mtfs look like men.
>>5435360
That's not what this thread is about though. Lesbians were asked if they would have sex with trans women pre op or post op, nothing more. If you can't even answer this very simple question without interpreting some kind of pressuring into it you might want to get your brain checked.
>>5434346
This makes 0 sense.
If you're bi why does the fact that a trans had GRS even matter?
Depends on the person
Some lesbians are willing to date transwomen, some are not and thats their choice
Why is it though lesbians more than most groups in my opionion are more interested on HOW others are lesbian and the whole title of lesbian. Like who you like and stop telling other lesbians to not like what you dont like.
>>5436459
2nd wave femenazis
basically the equivalent to masc4masc nowadays
>>5436462
>feminazi
You know that's an ultra right-wing term?
You know that term breaks all irony meters for anyone even slightly educated on Nazis and feminism, given that feminists were persecuted by the Nazi, akin to how the conservatives who coined the term "feminazi" like to persecute feminists?
>>5436517
yes
i still like to use the term to distinguish between exclusionary 2nd wave feminists and todays more common type of feminism (not the tumblr kind)
>>5436523
Just say radical feminist and liberal feminist.
And no, radical feminists aren't trans exclusive. Trans exclusive radical feminists are.
It's like the difference between being white and being a racist white.
>>5436528
tru
>>5436456
>lesbians are bitches if they're not pushovers for my tranny agenda
>I'm totallllly cis, totally!
Nah, you're a butthurt misogynist mtf who can't handle women not being into your dick. I'm not a bitch for pointing out calling women ugly because they're not into you is something men do, please try harder with your transition, ok?
>>5435979
I'm not assuming shit, I'm responding to what is actually going on. If you don't like it, maybe you should go talk to other MTFs and get THEM to chill.
>>5436708
You could just have called her a handmaid, dipshit.
Inb4 muh cotton ceiling
>>5436329
I don't think she asked for your opinion on her sexuality. Hate to break it to you, but your opinion isn't law.
>>5436329
Found the political lesbian.
>>5436745
inb4 some people actually think it's real
>>5436721
The correct term is "handmaiden," n00b.
>>5436786
The phenomenon of transwomen whining that people don't want to fuck them and that makes them bigots is extremely real.
>>5436821
it is but only among socially retarded ones
>>5436708
If you're saying all trans girls act like men and get butt hurt when lesbians don't like them when they're preop, then you're making assumptions.
It's like if I said all black guys are good at basketball and have big dicks if I knew 6 black guys in real life and they were all good at basketball and had big dicks. I'd be making a generalized assumption based on my experience...it doesn't make it a fact.
>>5436329
You're*
If you're going to talk down to people, at least use proper grammar.
>>5433643
I'm bisexual and trans MtF, and i have a cis lesbian gf who is fine with it.
>>5433643
I'm always curious if the lesbians who wouldn't date any OP MtF would date a FtM bearded and bulky with a pussy?
>>5437186
Nobody said all trans women act like men so it's time to relax and get a grip that criticism directed at two MTFs is not the time to whine about prejudice. You're also purposefully ignoring how >>5436456 implied all lesbians are bitches, but no surprise there, since you're also an MTF and have your blinders on!
>>5437278
Yeah, Fucking this.
Like if dating a trans women makes you totally hetro because penis, then by the same logic dating a man like pic related totally means you're still a lesbian am i right? Cause there's totally nothing hetro about a girl liking some buffed up bearded man.
>>5437547
the transmen who stay in lesbian communities and insist on still being called lesbians don't look like men at all and still look like butch dykes.
also, the ftms here absolutely hate them and consider them transtrenders.
>>5437548
If they insist on being called 'lesbians' then they probably aren't fucking trans - _ - ...
>>5433643
I used to believe that transwomen are women and supported them and everything but I do not anymore.
I mean, I support freedom for whatever they want to alter or modify their bodies with but the whole "We are women" idea is false. It's simply not true and I refuse to endorse a lie.
>>5437547
no because i don't like men. i don't like people who are currently male, i don't like people who were once male, and i don't like people who are male now.
whats so hard to understand?
>>5437562
I just know plenty of lesbians who date transwomen, so i always find it weird when one of them don't like trans women because 'Ew that's totally hetro', when it clearly isn't.
If dating transwomen isn't your thing, that's fine, i have no fucking beef with that. My beef is with the whole 'dating trans women makes you not a lesbian', attitude.
>>5433643
OP here and i m so confused about the rage guys. I didn t force you to have sex with a trans person with a dick or without i just asked if you would have sex. Chill....
>>5437562
Because there is a cognitive dissonance there where you are not recognizing one, the trans woman hasn't actually changed gender, and that the trans man has.
>>5437561
You do know that most sane Trans Women know that theirSex is male, Right? We're specifically talking about gender. Telling us that our sex male is like telling someone the colour of their hair. We fucking know, You aren't telling us anything we don't already know, and that's not what we're trying to say at all.
My sex = male
My gender = female
There is no disillusionment here.
>>5437717
>transwomen know that their sex is male
speak for your self
>>5437606
This so fucking much.
"Trans men were never women so I wouldn't fuck them but trans women were men so I wouldn't fuck them"
Ummm....
>>5437729
>all bow to miss superior b/c she could afford suporn
Tbh, I'm offing myself at the 2 year mark anyways. Come at me.
I tried.
>>5437783
more than enough transwomen have srs
so your generalisation doesn't fly
>>5436084
What part of legbutt are you friend?
>>5437798
Issskay
However, you've been all "holier than thou" since week one of having it installed.
Tbh,I am jelly and very envious of you as I'd need ffs to begin to pass.
However, NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR TWAT, YOU TWAT
>>5437729
you, freak, are intersex so you are neither male or female
Actually, same-sex marriage is still not legal in Greece.
Gay couples in Greece are(since Dec. 22)only able to sign a cohabitation contract.
Nothing more.
>>5437464
You're a retard.
Jesus there's so much unnecessary hate here.
People are people to me, pre op post op or cis. It could very well be the bi in me-- I'm not necessarily attracted to gender and sex so much as I am attracted to people in general. Though the amount of needless hate other people put upon trans people when it comes to sex boggles me. Why does it freak you all out so much?
>>5438743
>please don't invade women's spaces
>on 4chan
Last time I checked this website as a whole isn't really all that fem friendly.
>>5438841
It's not "hate" not to find somebody attractive
>>5435251
the ones who are transphobic/biphobic tend to be old and/or butch. I have no interest in old women, and butch women tend to be kind of gross anyways, personality-wise. In fact, I'd be willing to be you're ugly.
>>5435137
This. Most mtf have some latent bi potential that can turn into full blown gay. Stop being a slave to the vaginal jew.
>>5437729
Not all of us are delusional transbians tho.
>>5433643
It's not uncommon, I believe the Wachowski that is transgender has a non-transgender wife and they both identify as Lesbian.
Anybody who says *we* only like this or *we* are open to that are either projecting or are too opinionated for their own good. It's simply a matter of preference.
My advice to you, don't get too caught up in identity politics. Don't make the lesbian/gay/bisexual title too important to you, because you're always going to meet those select few people who tell you you're not legit unless you like things a certain way.
>>5436084
as a cis lesbian this ^
Also, wow we actually exist on 4chan? Im from athens myself!
>>5438288
let the pain of not being an actual 1rst world country sink in my fellow greek legbutt
>>5439149
This
>>5437278
I wouldn't. I'd date a trans guy if they weren't on hormones, though. Half the lezzies on dating apps these days call themselves trans anyway.
You're meNtally ill, not women
>>5440049
not so long ago people called you mentally ill, just remember that
>passing mtf
>be curious about sex with cis girl
>use dating site to find girls
>they all eventully ask about using the dick
>realise they all just want to be dominated and fucked by a really feminine looking boy
>would have to PIV with all of them
Fuck that noise, sure they're cute but I think I'll stick to guys.
>>5437278
No. We like *women*. Why is this hard to understand? Trannies in both directions are these bizarre half-and-half amalgam. Neither of them are women.
>>5440152
As much as I'm sympathetic towards the discrimination transwomen have to face, seeing a lesbian woman be blunt like this about her sexual preferences makes me giggle and feel Schadenfreude against entitled anatomical males.
>>5438288
Well, it's the same thing as marriage, legally. The only difference is that you need to go to a notary to sign the thing.
Also gay couples under the contract still can't adopt but that falls under the adoption law, which is really strict in Greece.
That said I don't care what it's called, if I get a "cohabitation contract" in my eyes I'll have a wife. And I'm calling it a fucking marriage, call me delusional if you must.
>>5439377
Oh who cares, I've lost any hope of redemption for my country anyway. It's not like Europe cares either.
>>5433643
I'm fine with any girl who is willing to have sex with me and isn't ugly desu
Oddly enough the first one is much easier to find than the other despite me being ugly myself, I guess the dating pool here is so bad everyone dropped their standards
>>5435251
Say what you want but I've never seen even a moderately attractive lesbian in real life
wish I was trolling
Plenty of cute bisluts though
>>5440380
Don't worry you aren't delusional, go ahead marry your gf and be happy anon chan!
>>5440870
Heh, thanks but I'll probably have to find one in the first place...
>>5442265
Can I be your waifu then, a-anon chan??
>>5442608
Sure!
>>5433699
"MUH MEN INVADIN WYMYN SPACES TO PUT IT IN ME POOPER"
>most mtfs are into men
lol drink bleach
>>5433643
it's not marriage. it's just that you can legally have a same sex partner and live together. marriage is still far away.
also i feel like the only greek in this thread not from athens. but since we greeks are here for once can anyone tell me if it's even possible for a mtf like me to transition here?
Wait what
Wtf is this ffs shit I keep hearing about for fuck sake
>>5444691
facial feminization surgery. it's bullshit too. only hons need it
>inb4 what's a hon
>>5444702
what the fuck is a hon lmao. From what I gather it's some Arnold Schwarzenegger lookin mtf?
>>5444708
yep. the very obviously manly people that don't even bother trying looking female or just have shit genetics but still play dress up for some reason
>>5444714
Word thanks. Yea if you can't tell I'm just visiting from /fit/ looking for some traps and whatnot. Why does there seem to be so much infighting between sub divisions of the gay community? Is it like this in real life or is it just on 4chan where people will fight over anything? I would think people in a traditionally oppressed group would be more open minded to eachother lol.
>>5444746
yeah it's just 4chan. saying you're from /fit/ and looking for traps is making me hard. and now i wish i could transition. ah well, just a few more months and i'll start the 'mones. i praise thee lord i will look feminine, otherwise bye world
>>5444756
Hey man good luck. Maybe I'll wanna fuck you in the ass one day! :P Yea I'm trying to go about meeting some traps in my area but I really have no idea where to start. Wish me luck breh
>>5438743
I already said I love cock, you retard.
>>5433643
Pre-op mtfs dicking is lesbos is high quality fapbait to be honest family.
A pity it's so uncommon.
>>5448307
Go home Anonymous you're drunk.
>>5448312
Nah m8 I'm cool here.
