This isn't for /pol/ and I'd probably get replies here.
I've seen multiple european submissive or at least a small, but quantifiable amount of online idiots who are homosexual say they want to fling with the turks/arabic people coming in.
They're very evidently not friendly to homosexuals, they're mostly just average in penis size and they're usually fucking hideous or at least not that attractive when it comes to looks so what the fuck are these people searching for, this happens with african americans in the united states and etcetra elsewhere, it's like searching for a taboo to indulge in and completely forgetting doing shit has consequences.
I'm honestly glad they do this, because it kills more fucking idiots but why would you cut your life of short when you've got nothing which sets you back?
Most of these people who do this shit are just average looking blokes who could get a good partner and live happily but they go out, purposely become a victim of something and die.
because tumblr told lbgt people they have no right to voice a valid criticism of Islam or else they're racist, even though my safety is more important than their angry desert god or being friends with them for the sake of not looking "racist"
I don't think it is just tumblr.
I've seen this with quite a lot of homosexuals from the west and in general women as well.
It's kind of like this; Imagine you're a group of mice, and there is a piece of cheese just nicely on the ground. The more experienced types or just intelligent and critical stay away and realize that it is a evident trap. The experienced types communicate this to the rest and start to move away but one little rebellious idiot runs in and gets his head lopped off getting caught in a trap.
It generally comes from middle class and just families without trouble, they have no adversity and they're basically educated to think in certain mannerisms. They're all "I hate religion and I want to rebel against my father for looking out for me because I'm such a angsty teenage"
I generally am trying to wrap my head around this, as a homosexual bloke I'm not social progressive at all and I'm more then often to find more comfortable company with gay haters then literally faggots because they usually aren't obnoxious and generally are easier to joke around with.
>>5417926
I'm somewhat socially progressive as an mtf, but I'm cautious of who I associate with.
Idrc if they accept me or w/e, but I'm cautious of groups that have a bad track record with people like me or lgbt people in general.
I got burned out on the social justice thing fast because of shit like I'm complaining about, and I literally just want to live in peace and not be bothered by someone who thinks their desert god wants them to murderrape me in the ass
I also like people who aren't obnoxious and easy to joke around with. As long as they aren't just an asshole it's like w/e man
>>5417995
I''d be interested to gauge your reaction.
Pimozide, confirmed be NCBI (Often a site sourced to support LGBT Rhetoric) has been able to temporarily basically cease a person's gender dysphoria (Similar to anoxeric dysphoria) and this has been medically recorded, making it so transsexuals who didn't come out genetifcally defective (Literal half female brain, dick and cunt, weird ass breasts) legitimatelly associated with schizophrenia.
How does that make you feel?
I've generally held this view for a long time even before I found this cite since dysphoria in medical terms is usually working in accordance with schizophrenia.
>>5418011
Not that person but cross gender delusion are somewhat frequent amongs schizophrenic and mentally retarded. Thus I don't question that case report.
But logically, that doesn't mean trans are either of those. And usually psych try to rule out these conditions before okaying for trans care. (And I don't think schizophrenia can manifest with only trans symptom, that would be special pleading.)
>>5418025
I don't get your post making implications I didn't say.
I'm saying that dysphoria is a sympton usually held by schizophrenia.
>But logically, that doesn't mean trans are either of those.
>Pill can literally cure people's gender dysphoria
>Study states TRANSGENDER people specifically
uwot
>>5418025
But yeah, I think some amount of gatekeeping is necessary, but my problem with current practice is tr retarded gender role enforcement ("come in dress or no hormones" => creating hons) rather than testing for psychiatric comorbidity...
>>5418030
Link the study pls. I've read some case report on NCBI on pimozide for trans symptoms but it was never only cross gender delusion, the person was full shizo if you will.
>>5418032
You're talking about the same field which does the equivalent of making an anorexic person skinnier because it makes them feel positive.
I find it quite stupid they don't find alternatives which alter the patient with hormones which aid their real, biological sex rather then transform them into a living cosplay.
In all honest I see HRT or GRS just another fucking medical money maker alike other practices which do jack shit.
>>5418041
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8839957
Here in Germany a lot of Turkish folks are pretty accepting tbhfam. By now it's probably half of them, mostly those who have been here for generations.
But people can't fucking see, that the people, they want to get here, are in no way connected to our culture and will not accept us.
>have bf
>he is anti-isreal and therefore pro-palestine
>muh help for poor refugees
>doesn't want to hold hands in public because he doesn't want to get harrassed
It's because those who harrass you where I live are groups of arabian looking people. Sure, I got insulted by european folks, but that's hardly anything that matters to me, insults that is.. It's always the fucking sandniggers who threaten you physically.
>>5418011
just a step in understanding what makes a portion of the trans population tick, if true
>>5418061
Absolutes are not the reality but the way I see it majority matters more then the minority, and if you're majority inflicts violence and death upon another population then that's generally what people will assume of you.
Don't want people to view you as a murdering turk?
Don't fit the stereotype, fuck I'm homosexual and while not proud because that's stupid but I very much feel grateful liking guys. Yet I practically act like a straight dude.
>>5418069
Funny, I'd honestly thought /lgbt/ would act very angsty because of you're fellows act on /pol/.
If this is how the board is I don't mind coming back here to discuss shit with you guys.
>>5418046
Regarding Big pharma, it does have quesionnable money maker, but that's type 2 diabetus, hypertension, and other civilisational diseases like these; with a large part of the population affected, and expensive treatments. I don't think transexualism can be a moneymaker, it's neither particularly expensive (for meds at least), nor very common.
Regarding treatment, you're of course not the first to think about these kind of solution. Testosterone, antipsychotic, CBT, ... If it worked it, it would have been used. I think it's okay to be pragmatic, and use the current treatment, which is more effective than nothing (and is safe - as opposed to what you suggested for anorexic), while we search for a root solution. Which will probably not be as simple as taking a different pill.
Regarding that case report (1 dude), it's stated he's borderline retarded. Don't think that's enough to conclude anything.
>>5418110
I'm not so sure that practically mutilating someone, giving them hormones which are sex-altering and convicing them they're a woman when they've genetically and logically always been a man with a defective body is a pragmatic and safe way of dealing with gender dysphoria especially when you can take pills which cease your wish to reassign.
>Regarding that case report (1 dude), it's stated he's borderline retarded. Don't think that's enough to conclude anything.
Look I understand that this matters and I'd argue that a universal result does matter you're dismissing a study for learning disability which in all honesty, half of 4chan has and still manages to write and think.
I'm not exactly impressed that you're trying to take an objective and scientifically based stand point while denying a study.
I think you're personally biased to have the incline that your latter isn't schizophrenic.
>Regarding treatment, you're of course not the first to think about these kind of solution. Testosterone, antipsychotic, CBT, ... If it worked it, it would have been used.
I don't know man, you seem to big "Educated" in big pharma but it isn't uncommon for practitioners to milk you of your money yet for the case of your own defensive manners you're willingly forgetting a lot of what that industry does on a daily basis.
What was their sentence? I bet it was something like a minor fine and a couple of months of community service. You can rape and murder and get away with it if you are Muslim in the Cuck Belt of Europe.
>>5418139
I'm not sure you understand what it means to have a sample size of one, and never to have been reproduced.
Or, for that matter, how excessive pimozide is. Rather than looking merely at what it is prescribed for, I advise you look into when it is prescribed, and its side-effects.
>>5418011
that was one study with one person. the person showed signs of schizophrenia. schizophrenia is known that it can cause pseudotranssexual feelings. the study doesn't conclude wether the person is transsexual or schizophrenia. they call it doubtful transsexualism. the study concludes that gender clinics should be screening patients with doubtful transsexualism more carefully.
fun fact: even some people with schizophrenia that experience gender dysphoria transition.
>>5418139
>I'm not exactly impressed that you're trying to take an objective and scientifically based stand point while denying a study.
It's not that I am dismissing it because I don't like.
But that to try to get the truth, we must balance the proofs for each views. It's not very relevant that I am biased (or that you are too, T/B/H), if we try to stick do that.
In this case, it's that's the study you linked versus a multitiude of other study that supports current treatment of transexualism. If you are honest, you must admit both views are not equally proven.
Which is why :
> when you can take pills which cease your wish to reassign.
is not true. These are not even remotely alike in level of proof.
>milk you of your money
As a citizen of a socialist republic of yurop, I've never been milked by practitionners. I have the governement to strongarm both physician and big pharma to acceptable price. Which is why this whole "medical illuminati" thing seem far fetched to me.
>>5417891
>i am very afraid of snakes
>>5418199
>>5418204
>Pseudo-transsexual feelings
>Fun-Fact: even some people with schizophrenia that experience gender dysphoria transition.
Oh fuck what the hell did I get myself into, this shit sounds like walked in a fucking circus.
>>5418198
>I'm not sure you understand what it means to have a sample size of one, and never to have been reproduced.
>I literally just said universal result does matter
Do you people just pretend to be smart or something?
Anyhow
>Side-effects
The average tablet says it can give me uncontrollable diarrhea and other horrible shit but does it happen?
>>5418208
Alright, fair enough.
But for me it just seems pathetic, if there's been results which show that cross-gender, transgenderism, trapping whatever the fuck you can call it can be temporarily shunned by pills intended for schizophrenia why the fuck wouldn't they delve farther into the area and try to outright ignore it some other areas.
>>5418204
Also you
>There was an excellent response to pimozide 2 mg daily, with a cessation of both cross-dressing and the wish for sex reassignment. When, after 1 year, the dose was reduced to 1 mg daily, there was a rapid return of the cross-dressing and the wish for sex reassignment. An increase in the dose again led to a remission which has been maintained since then.
Not "Worthless"
>>5418226
Rather then outright ignore it*
>>5418226
>Oh fuck what the hell did I get myself into, this shit sounds like walked in a fucking circus.
the terminology i used is the one the study used. maybe you read a study first before trying to be clever?
>>5418235
oh you did read it. but that citation is worthless too: "schizophrenia is known that it can cause pseudotranssexual feelings."
those are the words the study used.
the study is worthless.
>>5418255
>I'm going to be passive-aggresivve, that'll surely show my opposition in doubt that I'm a credible, reputable source of information
It said doubtful, not pseudo.
Making shit up really isn't making it any easier to find you anything but someone with a stick lodged so far up their arse it's all they can feel.
>>5417891
I want to suck the dick of our new muslim masters~
>>5418226
I know a trans woman who has schizoaffective who is transitioning.
She's also a (at least attempted) child molester though so that's the least of her problems.
>>5418268
Ack, I know you're using medical terms but because of how much tumblr has used it inappropriately I've become so fucking doubtful when I see that shit.
I don't get your point though, you're practically saying that your friend is schizophrenic, as well as a child molester.
This is the kind of shit which just makes me highly skeptical of modern societies ability to treat people appropriately especially considering what it's done with medical centers how I can walk down the street and bump into plenty of insane people.
>>5418260
give me the study, i don't have it for me right now. i never heard pseudotranssexual before i read that study. it didn't say it in it's conclusion but it said somewhere close to the end where they debated wether he's got schizophrenia or not.
and it doesn't even matter what terminology i use. schizophrenia was known to cause trans feelings before the study already. there is nothing new coming from it.
i'm sorry but i hate it when people like you try to be so "know it all" in a subject they have no clue.
>>5418265
I don't get this, is this supposed to make me feel angry?
>>5418276
With insane asylums and how*
>>5418279
What you're practically saying is that schizophrenia causes in transsexual feelings.
But then you're also saying that transsexuals have no relations to schizophrenia.
The successful treatment of a gender dysphoric patient with pimozide.
Puri BK1, Singh I.
Author information
Abstract
OBJECTIVE:
The case is reported of a gender dysphoric patient who responded successfully to pharmacotherapy with pimozide.
CLINICAL PICTURE:
An adult male patient with a borderline learning disability presented with cross-dressing and a strong wish to undergo a sex change.
TREATMENT:
Supportive psychotherapy and pharmacotherapy with pimozide was tried.
OUTCOME:
There was an excellent response to pimozide 2 mg daily, with a cessation of both cross-dressing and the wish for sex reassignment. When, after 1 year, the dose was reduced to 1 mg daily, there was a rapid return of the cross-dressing and the wish for sex reassignment. An increase in the dose again led to a remission which has been maintained since then.
CONCLUSION:
Pharmacotherapy with pimozide should be considered in cases of doubtful gender dysphoria.
PMID:
8839957
[PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
>>5418279
>i'm sorry but i hate it when people like you try to be so "know it all" in a subject they have no clue.
Ironically I've never said that and you're seemingly pulling shit out your anus a lot.
I swear, even my fucking mother blames me for shit I didn't do.
Stuff is getting tiring.
>>5418276
in people with schizophrenia transsexual feelings can appear that are caused by the schizophrenia. if the schizophrenia is treated the transsexual feelings disappear.
in people without schizophrenia transsexual feelings can appear. they do not disappear if the patient is treated with antipsychotics, therapy, beatings, christian camps or time.
no, that is not the study. that is a reduction you retard.
i feel like i am talking to a 12 year old that can't connect simple things.
>I swear, even my fucking mother blames me for shit I didn't do.
oh ffs are you serious?
i'll try to find the study.
>>5418293
>This whole post
>YOU'RE SUCH AN IDIOT
>Has to include shit like Christan camps and beatings
>Actually cite shit
>IT'S A REDUCTION NOT A STUDY
>Literally fucking liking back to a US Government Medical Site related to the same which propagates pro-transsexual studies
>BIAAASSS
Fuck this.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8839957
>>5418276
Schizoaffective. Which basically means she's got schizophrenia and bipolar disorder.
It's real, diagnosed by a psychiatrist, she's got a cacophony of pills she has to take for it. And you could definitely tell.
She sure as shit isn't my friend. I immediately stopped going to the group where I used to see her once I found out about her attempts to kiddy diddle. Plus I called a hotline and reported her. I ain't about that shit.
That same psych gave her titty skittles, too. Although she was always talking about "being too lazy" to take them.
>>5418293
http://anp.sagepub.com/content/30/3/422.long
Here's another eample
I mean godverdomme fucking liberals man, get over yourself.
I swear your whole life is about being a liberal that all you fucking arguments seem to contain something about Christians.
Cringy, it's like a fucking autistic person talking to me about minecraft.
>>5418309
That sounds utter cripe.
I don't understand the mental gymnastics someone has to go through to defend these type of people.
Even if my analysis isn't correct transsexualism is still identified is as disorder/defect.
>>5418301
>>5418317
>linking to a paywall
that's not the study. the study is locked behind a pay wall.
>implying christian camps haven't tried to convert people
i admit conversion camps would have been much better but it doesn't matter for the point.
and even the reduction of the study isn't helping the conclusion you made. lets not forget that the terminology is the only reason i was looking for that study. everything else is general consensus in the medical community regarding schizos having trans feelings that can disappear and non-schizos having trans feelings that can't.
>>5418340
>I want a study
>STUDY COSTS MONEY?
>YOUR ARGUMENT IS INVALIDATED
Fuck man, I'm poor and even I wouldn't say that shit.
I'm done arguing with you man, at least others here have managed to put something up to the test while all you've done is stampede like a chimpanzee complaining aren't going your way, fuck.
I don't mind people disagreeing with my theory like
>>5418208
Because he's actually putting up a generally intelligent argument, he's arguing that their is a ultimatum of evidence and it depends on personal biases.
how many times do we need to have this thread, every time filled with the same /pol/ baits
>>5418349
maybe try to argue my points next time? you only bitch about me being pissed off that you aren't the first and not the last to have that "theory".
>>5418361
>Anything I don't like is bait
Ain't even /pol/ nigga, I hate /pol/ for a lotta reasons.
I'm just not a absolutist, I might not agree with /pol/ on a lot but it doesn't mean I'm automatically liberal, infact quite the opposite.
>>5418365
No, I'm not "Bitching"
I'm angry at you for literally denying evidence as a result of your own personal bias, as I exampled in the post you replied to man.
That's it man, it is over.
>>5418365
Oh and you've actually fooled yourself since you said that non-schizo patients can't get cured by the pill but the reduction I gave you show exactly the opposite of that happening, so..
>>5418399
>but the reduction I gave you show exactly the opposite of that happening,
really now? why lie on the internet? i'm done being baited. this is the last time i respond. farewell
