>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuNqNEAIbSA
youre voting for trump, right?
>>5394730
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7eI8i6AssY
you better fucking believe it
I'm not american and I don't follow their politics but jesus christ those comments.
Right or wrong I've never understood how people can be so hateful and still claim the moral high ground.
>>5394730
Absolutely. Anyone Who doesnt vote for Trump is either ignorant of the facts or they hate America.
Interesting turn of events, as before just coming out as gay gave you stigma now that is more or less normal while coming out as gay Republican to other gays makes you worse than Hitler. It also shows how much certain politicians like to treat gays as their circus animals, which really isn't that new as the concept of "pink money" has been there since the mid-90s. Hillary's "LGBT positive" campaign makes me gag because it's so obvious it's old-fashioned gay pandering. I'm not American so I can't vote but I like Trump's attitude since he doesn't treat you as gay but as fellow citizen of United States.
Trump is better than hillary but still far from a viable candidate.
>voting for an actual fascist
shiggy diggy doo i choose you
>actually voting in America
>thinking your vote changes anything
>believing that there is any one viable candidate for president
None of America's politicans, Democrat or republican are fit to be in any political position of power imo. You guys have shit politicians. And Trump is just going to be part of the long list of bad presidents you guys have had.
Also, kekkles that you guys believe your vote counts.
>>5395392
You've got it all wrong, the point isn't to vote for the best one, you just vote the one that's a bit less shitty. You really can't compare USA politics to some small European country with less than 10 million people that are mostly white and have more or less similar opinions about things.
All the candidates are complete shit and I'm not going to vote for the massive attention whore that's Trump
Trump has supported gay rights for years, and has supported equal protection.
He doesn't approve of gay marriage, but has no problem with gay civil unions.
He's the most lgbt friendly candidate in the GOP.
He shows charisma and tight leadership, and I can see Americans being tired of leader who lacks those attributes. Putin is extremely charismatic leader even if you don't agree with him about everything. Even if you don't agree with everything Trump says(as at this point he has mocked pretty much everyone that isn't himself), what matters is how he says it. In dark times, country wants that kind of leader because they are not afraid of doing something even if it that something seems tough and radical. If I were American I most likely wouldn't vote for him, but I do like his character and the fact he has balls to say things aloud to show he can do things. In same way I like Sanders' character, he's different type of daddy and I get why he would appeal to the younger crowd as voice of hope. Hillary is so fucking bland.
>>5395647
Does he have an "all legal marriages should be called civil unions and any consenting couple of adults have the right to enter a civil unions" or is it "the government should only recognize straight marriages and consider gay couples to be in a civil union?"
As long as we get the same benefits, I'm fine. Getting upset over a word seems superficial to me
Trump is the guy at the bar who after you had one too many you proclaim he should run for president and he should be running things.
Only they didnt stop there, he is so vauge and full of hot air. His supporters are ignorant, hateful people who will support anything he says because he says it.
That being said i am voting for him, i want a meme president.
White house is gonna be painted gold and be renamed the TrumpHouse
Giant Scroogemcduckian vault will be made
We will get the great TV series we deserve Trump Tales
>>5394730
>Between Trump
>Hillary
>Moving to Canada
If only there were more than two candidates running for each parties primary
>>5395712
If he was a bit less demeaning he would be like Reagan, who was mostly just anti-commie. I've always been fascinated by the 80s USA it seems like the most "American" stereotype while Bush represents the anti-America wave.
>>5394730
Trump is a fascist, and so is Cruz. GOP is moving into Golden Dawn, Neo-Nazi, National Front territory.
Time to vote all RepubliKKKans out of office.
I will be legitimately mad if we elect a meme for president
>>5394730
I'm trans and, desu, if I was in America I'd also vote for Trump. He seems like the only sane choice. Who else is there? Hilary? She seems like a total sleazeball. Bernie? He looks like he'd get heart attack during the inauguration speech. Trump is strong, vigorous, energetic, opinionated and, so far, by far the number one in debates.
>>5396067
>Bernie? He looks like he'd get heart attack during the inauguration speech.
Ohhhhhhhh really intelligent and thought out reason for not voting for Sanders. I can clearly tell by your comment your a well informed voter.
>>5396049
Two options, Paco. Build wall and go home in peace, or go directly to the ovens. Your choice.
>>5394730
Yes. Everything I've seen from Trump regarding LGBT issues is basically "I don't care what you are, so long as you're good enough for the job". It feels like he's looking at us like actual people. Meanwhile, candidates like Hillary are looking at us like bargaining chips at best. I get the same feeling from her that I get when companies like EA Games plaster rainbows all over their shit and act like they're so supportive of us, when anyone with two braincells to rub together knows they're just using us like a shield to deflect criticism.
Also, I don't have any confidence in Bernie, so that basically leaves Trump. Whenever someone tries to tell me he's a "Nazi" or "Fascist" or "Racist" or any other number of buzzwords without any actual substance to their arguments, it just reinforces my stance. The fact that the media seems to despise him (while simultaneously giving him all the attention because while on the one hand they want to see him crash and burn, they also want him around so their ratings will continue to skyrocket) only makes me want to vote for him more.
It seems like over time a lot of people have gone from laughing at Trump to panicking over the fact that he's gained so much popular support.
Trump for the win.
>>5396133
>Two options, Paco. Build wall and go home in peace, or go directly to the ovens. Your choice.
I'm white and born in the USA to American parents faggot.
>>5396074
>Ohhhhhhhh really intelligent and thought out reason for not voting for Sanders.
nobody really needs a reason to not vote for him, since the only reasons to vote for him are "free stuff and weed", which are only appealing to children.
MtF here, I am.
Funny enough is the fact that I'm not in the closet about being MtF or being attracted to men, but that I'm voting for Trump.
>>5396167
>candidates like Hillary are looking at us like bargaining chips at best.
Oh, it's even worse than you know.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I1-r1YgK9I
>>5396049
>zomg did you know that the politician I don't like is a FASCIST???? NICE GOING HITLER LOVER
it's [the current year] and nobody is really phased by this pathetic nonsense anymore, so please just stop.
>>5396185
Anti-Americans have the same choices. There is no room for traitors in our midst anymore.
>>5396059
In way, Reagan was a meme as well. But it wasn't so bad? He created the meme America we know today.
>>5396059
>I will be legitimately mad if we elect a meme for president
too late, kiddo.
>>5394783
Brilliant
>>5396215
he might even be trolling, its hard to find that kind of pure stupid outside of huffington post comments or the like
>>5395392
The problem isn't the politicians. It's the American people. Contrary to europoors perceptions, they aren't more informed in their politics than Americans are. In fact, almost everyone is completely ignorant to how politics actually work and how to actually pick a good candidate. However, Americans have a particular mindset of "I have all the solutions. It's so easy! Why is everyone else so stupid?" when it comes to politics. Nearly every person I speak to about it believes this way. They'd rather double down on their blatant ignorance than admit that some issues are complex and they haven't actually done the research into it.
It's a fucking travesty, and it's why each time we become more democratic, it terrifies the fuck out of me.
>>5395647
Why does this matter? Gay marriage is law of the land. Only the more extreme conservative candidates are saying they'd try to challenge SCOTUS on it.
>>5394730
>Trump everywhere, even on LGBT
Please Trump, no more stump, I just need to rest for a while.
>>5397054
>>5397054
>>5397054
It hasn't even started, you have entire 2016
>>5396992
>Why does this matter? Gay marriage is law of the land.
because it can be challenged, as you pointed out.
"law of the land" is a meaningless phrase, laws can be changed.
>>5397208
I'm going to need extra lube aren't I?
>>5396059
So who are you voting for? Hillary? Carson?
>>5396191
The main reason not to vote for him is because the word "socialism" scares Americans.
>>5396225
Does that cover violent transphobic/homophobic people too? I'd definitely vote for a candidate who advocates punishing anti-LGBT hate crimes with deportation (even if born as citizens).
>>5396225
what is your definition of anti americans?
Who falls under this category?
>>5397269
>the word "socialism" scares Americans
when is this meme going to stop?
it's been almost eight years, let it go already. haven't you noticed by now that this is not a real argument?
>>5397350
It's true though. Europe is pretty socialist but when Americans hear a candidate is socialist they assume it means we're going to turn into the USSR.
>>5397269
It's just that Sanders' "socialism" most likely wouldn't work in America. Yes these kind of welfare states work in Scandinavia but America will never be Finland, Norway or Iceland. None of them really even aren't "socialist" countries. Also Sweden used to make amazing results with that kind of system when it was mostly white people, but the more it gets homogeneous the less that system works. Same with countries like Finland: while people are happy with the welfare system, they want it to work for Finns only. Once there are more immigrants people just start trusting the system less because they don't want people who will never perfectly learn the language or adapt to their culture to have the same benefits. And even if you're born in Finland, you will never be seen as real Finn if you're not white. These kind of systems only work for small countries with similar people and low corruption. I don't believe USA could adapt to it.
I want it to be Sanders VS Trump but I know it won't, so Clinton VS Trump it is.
>>5397365
>he more it gets homogeneous
*less
>>5395398
>Europe
>Mostly white
>>5397357
>It's true though
No it isn't, it's a fucking bogeyman meme like racism and SJW's. Nobody wants to vote for Bernie because he seems like a liberal softie whose has no real policies, just a lot of worthless demagoguery like Obama.
People don't look at Sanders and think "OH NO SCARY SOCIALIST!!!!!" they look at him and think "Another fucking retard with no ideas."
>>5397409
>People don't look at Sanders and think "OH NO SCARY SOCIALIST!!!!!
That's exactly what they think. Bernie sounds nothing like obama, hes far more to the left. hillary sounds like obama
>>5397421
>That's exactly what they think.
If you honestly believe this, you should end your life asap. This is such a childlike and self-defeating view of the world.
If the best you can come up with is "people who disagree with me have insane and totally unsubstantiated phobias about the things I like", you're going to have an extremely rough life once you enter the real world.
>>5397409
He is the only one who talks about issues
Every other commercial and candidate I see just rabble rouses and says how America sucks without really explaining why and just that they will make it better.
Bernie is like "look we have a lot of serious issues and here they are, I can't do it alone"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLRbW6NRbfI
Literally unstumpable, he might just save white america
>>5397435
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENwpdgPMdMk
>people who disagree with me have insane and totally unsubstantiated phobias about the things I like
When did i ever say this?
>>5397230
So what if people challenge it? The majority agree that gay marriage should be legal. People aren't just going to revert back to not being in favor of it.
>>5397507
>Are you literally six years old?
Are you? What would it take to convince you that people are turned off by the word socialism?
>>5397230
>because it can be challenged, as you pointed out
Literally the only way you can challenge it is by constitutional amendment, which only a few of the candidates support. Why in God's name is Trump a better help for gays than say Jeb who has expressed that the SCOTUS' word is law?
I haven't really looked too much into Sanders. Does he want to make America more like Sweden? Because that's an immediate disqualification for me.
>>5397753
>people are afraid of socialism!
>people aren't afraid of socialism, when did I say that?
>well yeah, people are afraid of socialism
Make
Up
Your
Fucking
Mind
>>5397764
Uh, there is no constitutional amendment legalizing gay marriage, so why would you need to amend the constitution to outlaw it? Couldn't the SCOTUS just reverse their decision?
Besides, it can still be challenged by playing the states' rights card, which some conservative states seem to be doing.
>>5397844
I literally never said the American people aren't afraid of socialism.
>>5397860
>I literally never said the American people aren't afraid of socialism.
When did i ever say this?
>>5397469
I love Trump so much! He is truly our last hope.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN7KHWdyrbI
>>5397839
Europe more or less
Which isn't really a bad thing considering the US
we could get all the good stuff without being leftist cucks because the conservatives would never allow it
>>5398045
I literally never said the American people are afraid of socialism.
>>5397839
yes
>>5397839
>Sanders. Does he want to make America more like Sweden?
Literally the first line of his presidential platform is to mandate that abortion of all white babies, and the assignment of HIV+ black men to virginal white women.
Just look at his twitter feed.
>>5397251
TAKE A DUMP
PREPARE YOUR RUMP
FOR A NICE DEEP PUMP
FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP
>>5398069
So? They weren't talking to you.
>>5398268
But a good portion of the American people are, in particular a lot of the people trump is pandering to.
But people like my dad as well, who I wouldn't consider stupid
I don't blame them really, they grew up in the Cold War.
I still think they are wrong tho
>>5397919
I don't know. I feel like any system that would work for a given European country couldn't work for the United States as a whole. The difference in population, both in terms of sheer numbers and of ethnic makeup, the massive size of the country, and regional differences would make that very difficult. Texas alone is larg enough to be a nation unto itself.
>>5398350
I mean...why does it have to be the same system?
I get what you mean with the difference in population.
But thinking everyone should have healthcare isn't really a system in and of itself.
But you have to admit there are problems with the current healthcare system.
Just saying "Welp America is too big" and continuing to do nothing doesn't accomplish much.
Honestly in some cases America should have an advantage we are literally the wealthiest nation in the history of history.
At the very least...so many people shouldn't be living below the poverty line while so few live light years above it.
But that's just me
>>5397860
>Couldn't the SCOTUS just reverse their decision?
Scalia was appointed by Reagan entirely so that he would reverse Roe v Wade, and when he was given the chance, he voted in favor of it.
Unless public opinion has done a complete 180, the court will not overrule its own precedent. They just won't. All the justices know how dangerous it is to do so. If suddenly they start overturning any ruling they don't like, their legitimacy as a judicial body plummets.
And if you think Jeb is for some reason more likely to appoint an anti-gay justice than Trump, you're delusional.
>>5398736
Trump wants a universal healthcare system, btw.
I never understood the "we're too big for a universal health care system to work" argument. Shouldn't it just scale up?
>>5398268
>They weren't talking to you.
When did i ever say this?
>>5398781
I mean
That's nice for Trump
I still think he is a loud mouthed blowhard who says outrageous things or in an outrageous manner to get ratings and popularity.
He is either fake or an idiot, I'm not voting for either
>>5398874
That's what the media wants you to think. They have had it in for him from the beginning. Watch his actual speeches, and read his actual positions.
>>5398874
>I don't actually know anything about this guy except that I hate him
nice position there faglord
>>5398917
I'm at work
Wanna link me to some
>>5398942
I know only what I have heard him say on various media and Internet news outlets
However if he has actually said something intelligent somewhere like the person above states I am willing to hear it
Ps we are all faglords here faglord
>>5398969
>I know only what I have heard him say on various media and Internet news outlets
At least you admit knowing absolutely nothing of any substance.
>>5398943
The /pol/ Trump General threads are pretty comprehensive for video.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/tax-reform
>If you are single and earn less than $25,000, or married and jointly earn less than $50,000, you will not owe any income tax.
Wall St.
>The Trump plan also phases out the tax exemption on life insurance interest for high-income earners, ends the current tax treatment of carried interest for speculative partnerships that do not grow businesses or create jobs and are not risking their own capital, and reduces or eliminates other loopholes for the very rich and special interests.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform
>Decades of disastrous trade deals and immigration policies have destroyed our middle class. Today, nearly 40% of black teenagers are unemployed. Nearly 30% of Hispanic teenagers are unemployed. For black Americans without high school diplomas, the bottom has fallen out: more than 70% were employed in 1960, compared to less than 40% in 2000. Across the economy, the percentage of adults in the labor force has collapsed to a level not experienced in generations.The influx of foreign workers holds down salaries, keeps unemployment high, and makes it difficult for poor and working class Americans – including immigrants themselves and their children – to earn a middle class wage. Nearly half of all immigrants and their US-born children currently live in or near poverty, including more than 60 percent of Hispanic immigrants. Every year, we voluntarily admit another 2 million new immigrants, guest workers, refugees, and dependents, growing our existing all-time historic record population of 42 million immigrants. We need to control the admission of new low-earning workers in order to: help wages grow, get teenagers back to work, aid minorities’ rise into the middle class, help schools and communities falling behind, and to ensure our immigrant members of the national family become part of the American dream.
>>5398943
more...
Health Care
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/28/trump-pushes-single-payer-healthcare-tax-increase-on-wealthy/
Trump on Gay Marriage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSmxd7X9X2s
>it's an issue that's been determined by the supreme court, and frankly I'm about jobs and making the country great...There's nothing you can do. At a certain point you have to be realistic about it.
Your reminder that Trump has the worst political fact checking score ever tracked. He is the biggest liar of any politician to run for president in the last several decades.
I'm afraid Hillary will win because people focus on the "social issues" she represents and while they are nice and positive things she's actually saying nothing and that kind of talk just spreads the already divided nation further apart with no real results. She doesn't question the system like Sanders and Trump do in their own ways that's not even her goal. She was pro-Iraq war and against gay marriage but now has a change of heart. I don't think Trump is the perfect candidate and lot of things about him bother me but Hillary is the most unethical president USA would have since Nixon.
>>5399044
I don't know, even a place like Salon is pretty cold towards Hillary. There are a surprising number of people willing to note vote at all (or write in Bernie) if she's the candidate, even if the alternative is a Trump presidency.
https://archive.is/3RvlA
The more I see /pol/ on this dudes dick the more I think he's gonna lose just cause /pol/ is always wrong.
>>5399039
Citation needed
>>5399039
political fact check meaning the left wing site politifact?
don't really care to be honest
>>5398999
>>If you are single and earn less than $25,000, or married and jointly earn less than $50,000, you will not owe any income tax.
That's already true for the most part.
Is that all he's doing for tax-reform?
That other shit is p vague. Which deductions/loophools for the rich is he gonna get rid of?
>>5399123
DUDE FUCK THE RICH LMAO
why not worry about taking the tax burden off the middle class you fucking envious faggot?
>>5399140
If you lower taxes on the middle class without raising taxes elsewhere, the deficit is just going to get bigger. You do know how basic math works, right?
>>5399140
Why can't we do both
>>5399140
Um your meme guy says on his website that he intends to get rid of deductions/loopholes for the rich along with bringing up taxes for overseas profits for large companies along with putting a cap on business interest deduction. It's right there in that link linked from his website. Which means he intends to raise taxes for the rich he just words in it a way where he never says it directly. But that's what all that will do.
I just wanna know which specific loopholes/breaks he's gonna get rid of and how and what he estimates the finale numbers to be at for us to be neutral. My main gripe with trumpmeme is he's vague as fuck. Even bernburn puts in more specific hard numbers.
>>5399179
He hates the hedgefund guys, and has mentioned it multiple times before, so those guys won't be getting filthy rich anymore. Who knows taxes better than Trump?
>>5399254
So he's only gonna tax hedgefund guys? How? By what percentage? In what ways specifically?
>>5399179
>I just wanna know which specific loopholes/breaks he's gonna get rid of
I know this is gonna sound like a cop-out, but wouldn't it be better not to make everyone aware of said loopholes this far in advance, so he doesn't alert every single person who uses said loopholes and give them more than enough time to clean up their accounts?
>>5399289
This. Trump knows exactly what he is doing. Everyone acts like he's a blowhard moron.
>>5399289
Yeaaah that's sounds like some bs copout.
Like beaners are all moving to canada now cause trump threatened them with a wall by letting that supersecret plan out.
He's done this bs before
>I have a great plan to end all wars and fix everything
>wow tell us
>No can't it's super secret and you gotta vote for me first before I tell you
C'mon there's a fair amount of the big loopholes everyone knows are fucked up. If he says he's getting rid of most of them. Which most? I feel like any rich hedge fund guy can guess which most he's aiming for and would move their assets accordingly without him stating specifics. Surely he can give a couple specifics to us not in the know.
Like shit what about the carried interest loophole? That one mainly benefits hedge fund fucks. Is he gonna get rid of it? Does he have an opinion on it?
>>5399161
the debt is unpayable, we should default now
its not just the 18 trillion which would be hard enough to pay off
we have almost 100 trillion in unfunded liabilities
we're fucked
>>5399325
From his policy page
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/tax-reform
>ends the current tax treatment of carried interest for speculative partnerships that do not grow businesses or create jobs and are not risking their own capital, and reduces or eliminates other loopholes for the very rich and special interests.
>>5399368
We could just do what Iceland did, and say "fuck you, we aren't paying". It's worked out nice for them the past few years.
>>5397461
>He is the only one who talks about issues
Don't try to inject facts into this, it gets in the way of yahoo news-tier commentary.
>>5399403
I mean we could and it'd work probably.
Like if I lent a grand to my friend, asked for it back but instead of working on paying me back he just bought a fuckton of guns and bribed a hitman to come at me if I ever wanted my money back. What am I gonna do about it? Nothing I guess. Never lend him money again but otherwise nothing.
>>5399416
Well there's just China becoming the next superpower, you might want to teach your potential kids Chinese
>>5399399
Oh yeah I felt bad bringing that up cause I'd seen it there. Pretty neat he's on same page of bernie with that. Reading a lot of trumps shit he's all over the place. His shit on china is a fantasy. Unless he intends war.
But on carried interest it's kinda vague how it's worded. So will a hedge guy be able to get away with claiming his compensation money as capital gains?
Also damn curious to what he gives on reits. Is he gonna let them continue avoiding corporate income taxes as a man who likely benefited from them himself?
Plus idk how he wants companies to be dissuaded from inversion if he's getting rid of enough loopholes to make up for his lower general income taxes.
Trump speech starting right now, faggots. See Trump without the kike media filter. Feel the love.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOxlvrnuXAU
Thread
>>58560621
>>5399306
>Trump knows exactly what he is doing.
I'M GONNA MAGICALLY PASS ALL THIS STUFF WITHOUT CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL AND RIP UP ALL INTERNATIONAL AGREEMENTS AND SAVE THE WORLD AND CLIMATE CHANGE ISN'T REAL
You have to be one stupid faggot to say that.
>>5394783
I watch this video every day
>>5401825
Hey, shut up! Trump is gonna give us rainbows and unicorns, he promised! It was stupid when Obama said he'd bring Hope and Change, but now it's not stupid because he's also a really big asshole while he's saying it! (That means he's speaking what's on his mind, because it's impossible to be concise and honest without being a total douchebag).
>>5399368
So what are we going to do, keep pretending we can pull money out of thin air for the next few decades?
>>5407576
Go back to your /pol/ hugbox. You morons gloated for months that Rmoney would trounce Obama and then were inconsolable when he lost. I can't wait to see it happen all over again.
>>5401825
>I'M GONNA MAGICALLY PASS ALL THIS STUFF WITHOUT CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL
Seems to have worked pretty well for the last few presidents.
>>5401825
>implying Fuhrer Trump won't pull a Saddam and exterminate the opposition on his first day in office.
The old system in America is over.
>>5399039
Your reminder that he literally wrote the book on anchoring and purposely exaggerates problems to make people more aware of them.
Trump says illegal hispanic immigrants only send their worst? Fact: it's only about 50% and "only" costs America 50 billion a year.
Trump says thousands of muslims in NY and NJ cheered when 9/11 happened? Fact: it was only a few hundred.
Trump says 99% of black murder is done by other blacks? Fact: it's "only" 90%
Trump says his IQ is 130? Fact: it's only 156
He does it to control the conversation and make himself the keynote speaker when the issues arrive.
>>5407608
Name one example.
>>5396167
...Are you taking anything into consideration in this election other than LGBT pride?
I'd rather have Bernie but I'd vote for anyone that isn't Hillary. Most people don't even know a single thing about her or her policies other than she's woman and is 'at least better than Trump'.
