Here's a NSFW album full of SRS pics: http://imgur.com/a/SAxGA
So what are your plans? Will you get it? Are you resentful that you can't get it? Do you already have a surgeon in mind? Have you already gotten it done? If so how was it?
>that difference in quality
only reinforced my position on waiting for artificially grown organs, as much as having a bulge sucks
>>5345999
It's so hard to tell whether the difference is between surgeons or between patience that causes some to look almost acceptable and other looking absolutely awful.
I felt the same way as you for a long time but lately it just increasingly feels like the shitty option is better than no option.
>>5345989
LMAO nice AGP album
>>5346037
The older you are the worst it gets too...
Most of the bad ones seem to be honvginas
>>5345989
>younger girls have nice looking SRS vag
>old hons have disgusting ones that look nothing like vaginas
I think it has more to do with age and surgeon than anything else. Can't make nice vag out of low quality flesh.
Christ. And people pay money for this shit?
>>5346100
What does that even mean? Most of them are probably straight.
Who's gonna go to Suporn? Are there any good alternatives that don't require health insurance and citizenship to that country? I live in Australia and we don't have cover for this shit here.
My current idea is to go to suporn, but if there's a better surgeon, or a good alternative, I'd like to have other choices.
(looks and feel are priority over depth, tier of preference goes look>feel>depth)
>>5345989
as a gay dude, all i have to say is what a waste of a perfectly good dick.
>>5345989
I have no plans to.
>Yeah it makes me feel shitty, but not as much as other characteristics (shoulders, jaw, etc.) so it's dealable
>My dick's functional. I'd rather not potentially fuck up functioning genitalia
>It's bad enough that i'm trans. getting a genital filet need not further that.
>Pissing standing up > Squatting/sitting
>>5346174
Suporn is number one choice.
Chettawut is a close 2. Danielle Foxxx's vagina is perfect, but I've seen Chettawut pussy in real life and it looks completely natural as well, so yeah.
>>5346185
Would you rate Chettawut or Suporn higher in regards to look?
>>5346174
I'm think of going to supron too. Same preferences as well, although i hear they don't even ask that anymore.
Chet is the only other decent surgeon that uses suprons technique which imo is superior. I've spoken with a woman at length about her experience with chet and I'm convinced that he's an inferior but cheaper surgeon to supron. On her vagina he made her clit much too big and ignored a lot of her concerns while at the hospital.
The pornstar in the SRS image collection got her vagina from supron if that helps your decision making at all. Also don't go to thailand during the rainy season but don't steal the dates I plan to take or I'll be pissed.
>>5346202
Supron is better because he makes smaller clits.
>>5346224
Good, i hate the huge fucking clits that some SRS vagina's have.
>>5346202
Most of the Chettawut vaginas were all <15 days post op and swollen as hell, but they looked compeletely normal, like the Danielle foxxx 2 weeks post op image in the OP link. One girl was there for a revision, but it still looked normal from what I had seen and she was an escort, so other people must have thought it wasn't bad either (if you're here, hi Morgan).
So I'd rate Chettawut as equal mostly, but there seems to be more negative news floating around about him online than there is Suporn, so that does worry me a little.
Also, should be obvious but I wasn't exactly fingering and getting all up in the vag. I just saw a lot due to soon post op girls being completely naked 90% of the time with spread legs, so it was hard not to get a view.
Horrible to say but ones that look bad soon after like a couple in the OP will never really look good without revision surgery, the reduction of swelling isn't a magical change that makes everything beautiful.
>>5346230
Me too. I don't know if they help add sensitivity or not but why does it have to be penis head sized?
>>5345989
A lot of those look really nice
I want SRS eventually but I haven't put any practical thought into it. FFS comes first and that's probably still a bit far off for me
>>5346261
The idea is "more size, more nerve receptors, more sensitivity" but you don't need more receptors to reach orgasm. Looks is a huge thing for me (can't really explain why) but if i could chose between having a perfect looking vagina that is a little harder to reach orgasm with, or a shitty looking vagina that's easier to reach orgasm, i would pick the first every time.
I don't actually touch my penis head at all when i masturbate now, so honestly, it's gonna be easier for me to reach orgasm with a SRS vagina. That and i hate my dick, so i'd be more comfortable during sex and masturbation.
>>5346148
Bunch of perverted men fawning over mutilated tranny porn-star vaginas. Get fucking real. You guys are fucked in the head.
>>5346285
Doesn't Suporn and other good surgeons, do like, nerve shredding or whatever which basically takes all of the nerves from the useless removed areas and puts them back in the small remaining clitoris?
>>5346316
Do they? Cos that'd be rad.
>>5345989
Is there such a thing as a quality, non-Thai surgeon?
Like, in North America?
>>5346333
I hear brassard is good.
>>5346336
>omg! look at this disgusting vagina! wow! i'd never want a disgusting vagina like that! just look at it! here, let me save it into an album so you can look at it too! so disgusting!
>>5346352
>OMG! This is a major potentially life threatening surgery! OMG wouldn't it be good to know what the final outcome looks like? OMG looks liek it's hard to find pictures good thing someone shared a ton of images of the outcome so I don't make a dumb decision like getting a butcher to chop my dick off. OMG!
Do you think it's vain to look in the mirror after applying makeup to check if it's ok too?
>>5346358
Do you think it's normal to see a tranny porn star's worn out mutilated nether regions as something to strive towards? Do you not see how threads like these, where you post PORNOGRAPHY, are why society at large sees you as sexual predators and pervs?
>>5346372
Sorry a pornstar is one of the few places we can get a decent look at what post SRS vags look like.
Why are you so puritanical anon? Don't you realize you're on /degeneracy/?
what ever happened to /polbgt/
>>5346397
Why are you asking here?
>>5345999
God same here, I'd die if I got SRS and it looked like half of those in the album x-x
>>5346384
Why is your community so shit it has to ogle mutilated nether regions of disease-ridden tranny porn-stars on a burmese wool-spinning enthusiast board?
>>5346468
Envy.
>>5346468
Normal people don't want to show off their genitalia. Porn stars do.
no Brassard or McGinn, or Bowers results?
I want to see Bowers myself.
>>5346497
And we all knows trannies definitely aren't normal
>>5347251
Neither are people who go out of their way to insult others on an image board
>>5348524
Look at this rustled tranny. Don't be mad you've got swinging saloon doors for a pussy, freak. You literally asked for it.
>>5346970
This is a mcginn result http://i.imgur.com/0Qlq8wa.jpg
A lot of these album pics are still healing. A lot more are old people with less resilient skin, so they get worse results. You can tell the ones who went to a cheap thai surgeon so they could do ladyboy porn. even with the gross unhealed ones, most docs offer free revisions to make it look more normal too.
>>5345989
>>5346185
>>5346202
>>5346214
>>5346239
>>5346333
I know for a fact that http://i.imgur.com/9o4z2jr.jpg went to Chett (a few other pics are same person). That to me is an awful result, and she is happy with it. It just shows how meaningless all the meme-raving you see on the internet is without pictures. You have to judge for yourself. Thai != quality. Western != shit. Thai != shit. Western != quality.
>>5346970
http://i.imgur.com/0Qlq8wa.jpg is 2 weeks after McGinn, she and another McGinanon are in a Seedy thread right now. Honestly it looks kinda messed up but isn't bad esp. for 2 weeks out. She's probably in her early/ mid20s like most of us.
>>5348604
Every surgeon has bad results, and none of the Chet ones saw looked anything like it.
http://i.imgur.com/p2OwfxD.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/LlAIA0J.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2zZWD9P.jpg
Is a Suporn result posted on Realself. In pretty big contrast to the amazing Danielle Foxxx result.
Yep, that's it, I think I'm 100% certain I'm not getting SRS now.
>>5345989
oh god almost all of those look horrible :(
I dislike my penis but jesus christ, i don't want it put in a blende and glued on again. Why do most of them have so small labia? why is there always this hole exposed? I want mine covered and flat, not looking like this shit. I think i have to throw up
I only have a handful of option, which are all local
is there no hope?
>>5348678
I was worried about that too, had srs, found out what the deal is.
Most of the medical pictures are taken right after some kind of dilation/ exam, so they remain a little stretched out for a few minutes. The vaginas of cis girls I had sex with before would look a little different right after sex too. Normally my labia are closed like they should be. It's not like a constantly gaping leaky hole.
If you're over 35-40, don't count on a neovagina looking normal because of skin losing elasticity with age, but healthy younger women shouldn't have a problem.
>>5348649
idk maybe because they're american?
>>5348769
>Most of the medical pictures are taken right after some kind of dilation/ exam, so they remain a little stretched out for a few minutes. The vaginas of cis girls I had sex with before would look a little different right after sex too. Normally my labia are closed like they should be. It's not like a constantly gaping leaky hole.
ok, so maybe this is a stupid question, but where's the clit in the Bowers/McGinn vaginas? I only ever saw it in Suporn.
>>5348858
It's the big nuggetty thing at the top in this example http://i.imgur.com/0Qlq8wa.jpg when the swelling goes down, it'll be hidden by the hood and labia. McGinn uses the extra urethra around the clit so it stays lubed up. It won't stay exposed like pic.
>>5348637
that's kind of the point of what I was saying, every surgeon has good and bad, and every patient will have unique results. you can't really trust online opinions or even pics since you're not going to have the same results as another patient. like you can't look at the results a 70 year old got and say all western surgeons are shit, or see danielle foxx and say only thai surgeons are worth seeing.
>>5345989
>Look at album.
>Porn, and not even what I'm into.
>Oh hey, that actually looks like a decent and functioning vagina.
>Oh wtf?
I know vaginas come in many shapes and sizes, but some of those truly look like the doc messed up.
>>5348556
nice meme :)
there's a really big trend of old people having the worst srs results.
Like both the awful suporn and chert swift result belong to mtfs who look at least 40...
>>5348678
>I think i have to throw up I only have a handful of option, which are all local.
Same familia. I feel like a lot of girls end up thinking they got a good deal out of srs, but I wonder how many of them have ever seen a vagina outside of porn. Most of the srs results I've come across look pretty dire. Even if it is mostly hons, you have to wonder how common it is. I don't think too many people are going to talk shit about their surgeon when they made a choice to drop $15-30k on their neovag and it turns out looking messed up. It would be both incredibly embarrassing and emotionally traumatizing to wait all this time and have people tell you its so amazing and then you get the most fucked up looking roast beef sandwich. I've been down on a couple post op girls who claimed to be really happy with their results and it was really obvious to me 2bh. Scar city, strange labia, overly asymmetrical, etc. Its really hard for me to justify putting down the money and just trusting that things are going to be ok when its such a crapshoot.
>>5346468
>burmese wool-spinning enthusiast board
>>5349806
>laughing at an old meme
>>5352015
>bumping a dead thread
i thought trannies were good at computers
>>5346185
And Mia Fever went Brassard.
All three of these surgeons have had duds but they're mostly good (except Chett which is unreliable and has a long history of complications)
>>5346970
Some of the ones in the thing are from those surgeons. I know at least one is from mcginn.
>>5352094
I'll be getting SRS at age 21, so I'm hoping I get a great result.
>>5352560
What you've seen here doesn't at all faze you at all?
>>5352568
Not here but I'm also getting SRS soon and I'm 21 now.
I know it might looks like shit. But sometimes they don't look too shit. IT's weird since I started out being non-op but once you've lived several years as a woman and that's the only thing really making you different it stops being 'I want a nice vagina' and start being 'I don't want to be a dick girl forever'.
>>5352568
The Danielle Foxxx one is what I'm hoping for.
It's either suicide or SRS. So what does getting a bad SRS result and then commiting suicide hurt?
>>5352590
Does anyone know if she got hers touched up? I plan to get mine touched up eventually once I get one. I honestly can't see why not do that since some surgeons offer it for free.
>>5352596
I believe she got a revision, can't say for sure though. Just remember reading it somehwere
>>5352588
And what are you gonna do if you end up with botched results?
Honestly, at this point, it seems like botched results are more common than good results.
>>5352616
I've thought about it for a really long time and I think I'm ok with it. I've been really really lucky in my transition so far and I wont have to really look at it much. Although they often look like crap it seems that very few people lose sensitivity so since that's pretty good I'm ok with it i guess as long as I can still cum.
I also figure I already have a much smaller dating pool because I'm trans so I'll only really be swapping out my dating pool from the dickgirl lovers to the ugly vagina accepters. I honestly don't know which is better yet but it's ok.
My biggest reason fro doing it though is that my parents love me and have offered to pay for it. If I had to pay the price I think it would bother me a lot more.
>>5345989
some more material for my "scared cis" folder, thanks
>>5352596
Revisions are pretty common I think. It's a major surgery so it swells a lot which means sutures and things can pop changing how it looks. I just had a revision myself because my clit hood broke in the first two weeks from swelling. But now, holy shit, it looks so much better.
Got from Brassard about 11 months ago (I was 22 at the time), things have healed well, way better than I was expecting. That said, I don't really liking at vaginas, including my own but it does it's job. And I know it makes me a transphobe or something but I don't understand people who are trans and like their bio-genitalia, getting those things removed was the best thing that's ever happened to me, I instantly felt comfortable with myself and it's something I wish I could've experienced at a younger age.
>>5345989
I am not viewing thosebpictures, I am going to stay positive.
>>5352864
please share. I'd love to see your folder.
I'm so jealous of transgirls, most of those vaginas look so good, like I wouldn't be able to tell those were surgery made if someone didn't point it out. Have you even seen the frankendicks that are the only real option for trans men?
>>5355778
You must have a low opinion of vaginas.
>>5355790
I've seen a huge amount of vaginas in my day and I can say that the majority of these pics look like pretty normal vaginas to me. Not to mention a lot of these are obviously still healing and therefore can't be used as an accurate depiction of what a totally healed one will look like
>>5355746
it's pretty minimal at the moment
>>5355746
>>5355846
>>5355746
>>5355862
>>5355868
>>5355879
>>5355886
that's all for now
>>5355894
You forgot this.
>>5355894
none of that was srs-related
Here I have some for you.
>>5355928
I giggled.
>>5353166
How was brassard? He's one of my easier options because I'm canadian but I'm seriously considering supron because I prefer his use of testicle skin.
Is there any chance you might share some images?
>>5356003
>because I prefer his use of testicle skin
literally a meme
Brassard also uses scrotal grafts
this is why i never post my face on *chans because i don't want to discover myself in hon galleries one day
>>5355933
sheeit, dude really learned how to take a pic, use proper lighting and an alluding female figure posture
>>5356003
>>5356096
Just to add more information, literally every decent surgeon uses the scrotal skin. They all use it basically the same way too. Thai doctors & their fan club will describe it in a different way, but it's all used the same.
The only real difference I've even heard of is that some Thai surgeons will stretch and split the scrotal skin into layers to achieve more depth on smaller penises. I can't say who, if anyone, actually does this. There is hearsay that the Thais can't work as well with large penises because of the way they use the penile skin.
>>5356104
Never post your face on trans-anywhere, not just chans. Better yet, nowhere that anyway knows or can find out you're trans. Even on locked forums, even if you delete your pictures after an hour, the pictures get out. The weird small Chett result mentioned earlier, I know is Chettuwut because I saw it on TS the day it was posted. She took them down less than a day later for privacy reasons (most people do this), but they still got out in the wild.
I found some more SRS pics. This one starts off looking really brutal but is pretty o at the end.
http://imgur.com/a/FjzUC
>>5356739
>pretty o at the end.
Err. No.
I didn't wanna see that.
>>5356762
Better than earlier pics for sure though. At one point the vagina was smelting.
>>5356739
Her labia minora fused which is what looks off at the end, plus it's only 62 days, and that is still very early days in recovery. It's not really until 6 months can you really tell the final product, plus there's revisions too which can add on that time if needed.
>>5356900
Yeah, most of the people I know who went say the scar only starts going away after 3+ months depending on how good you are at keeping up with the upkeep requirements.
So I guess this is what one looks like in motion. I have to admit it's at least as good looking as some of the worst vaginas I've seen in real life.
https://eroshare.com/kukknc2j
Jesus Christ what kind of hellish freak vaginas are these?
I thought MtF vaginas were supposed to be indistinguishable from the real thing? These are VERY distinguishable. The clits in particular are fucking weird-looking.
>>5356998
From personal experience, the clit takes a while to heal properly for some reason.
>>5357028
I don't think it's a healing problem. It looks like the wrong size, shape, color, etc in all of these photos, including the ones of porn people plugging up with dildos and shit.
>>5357039
>color
That's definitely healing
>shape
>size
Except I know cis women whose junk is virtually indistinguishable from what some surgeons do including the clits. It's like, idk, it depends I guess.
>>5357054
Knowing an exception doesn't mean it's normal.
srs scares me... i already have sexual dysfunction and its extremely hard for me to orgasm. What is srs makes it impossible for me to orgasm? What if something goes horribly wrong and i am left with a mutilated hole that has no sexual function. what if it doesnt look natural, cause some of those look bad. like really bad. Danielle Foxx's looks really good though, anyone know who did her surgery?
>>5357039
>size, shape, color
This can all be healing, though obviously not the ones that are years post-op. In the first weeks my clitoris swelled loads, it was purple, it was shaped like a kidney, hell it looked more like one than a clit. Now I'm over 6 months post-op it's small, pink and looks like it should, that said I'm >>5353138 so did need the hood repair before it looked completely normal.
But I know what you mean though about some of the clitoris' just looking wrong, I don't really know why, luck of the draw I guess. Some of the ones where they look too big look like they don't have a hood either desu and could do with a revision as well. Though I know some of them went to Thai surgeons so perhaps that's just how it goes in Thailand.
>>5357098
Supron did her's. She almost certainly got a touch up after her surgery too.
all these posts saying all surgeons use the same scrotal technique kek. I can definitely tell the difference in results from meltzer and suporn aesthetics wise. Also alot of people who don't go to suporn seem to have a shit ton complications.
>>5356739
>http://imgur.com/a/FjzUC
like this one is obviously not a suporn pussy and looks shit and has alot of necrosis. Bleeding out like that definitely means you had a horrible surgeon. It looks like a canadian or american surgeons work. They always have this weird small shallow tiny labia design that looks dumb like im looking at a dimple. While Suporn's has emphasis on the labia and is not shallow and has texture. Obviously there's a fucking difference. The only issue I see with suporn is the clit size however this example also has a fairly large clit. Not entirely sure how this happens but I went to suporn and I have a small clit and had zero complications not even any necrosis which is supposed to be very common.
Everyone has a unique recovery so its hard to say whats going to happen. The only issue I dealt with was dilation which was very painful for me partially due to my body taking longer to heal in general and me having anxiety so I tighten up. The scarring is a lot less visible than any of the pics on here. I got the surgery when I was 21 so I'd say the younger you are the better the results. I figured out how to orgasm 6 months in. Now I can use the average sized rabbit vibrator without any dilation needed. Heck I don't even dilate anymore since I masturbate once a week.
inb4
>you're full of shit
>>5355932
I never said it was
>>5357988
>Oh hey you guys, I'm gonna do the usual
>Say everyone who didn't go to supron are stupid and mutilated
>While everyone, like me, got a perfect vagina because I went to supron
>You can't get a good looking vagina if you don't go to supron
>All supron results are good
Why don't you fuck off already?
Are you trying to repress feelings about your surgery, because the results didn't end up good?
>>5345989
seems to me like none of these got labiaplasty afterwards which is pretty much a must if you want it to look fucking decent
>>5358095
I keked
>>5357988
Except most surgeons really do at this point, and very specifically, Brassard, the surgeon asked, did it years before Suporn.
>>5358176
>I keked
Okay I'll spell it out for you since you're too much of a moron
Suporn's recovery schedule is generally heavier than most surgeons. If you say you looked better at two months, good for you, you're a special snowflake. She's two months in recovery in these pics with a surgeon also known for having harsh recovery schedules.
Small, clean labia, which aren't actually a universal among north american surgeons, at least not that way, are considered more aesthetically pleasing in general than whatever it is Suporn does.
There were Suporn hon pics above, and they look nothing like the magical porn star vagoos that keep being claimed by the memesters.
She specifically says in her timeline that she had complications outside the surgeon's control. Because she lives about as far away from the place as you do from Thailand and unlike the Thais, Brassard doesn't keep patients for three months in a hotel, which means your recovery is down to personal diligence and being able to find a competent doctor. I've seen results from half a dozen surgeons up front and after a year, the only way you can tell is the aesthetic choices of the surgeon.
>>5358493
fucking this. so sick of thai fanboys and memers.
I did an assload of research before meeting with and choosing my surgeon. When she described her technique, it was the same as the "magical asian 100 years futuristic genius asian knowledge chonburi shuffle" that the cultists pretend is superior and only possible if you make the same choices they did. I asked what she does different, and the only things she said were the way the labia meet at the bottom and thais do the clit wrong.
>>5357988
sounds like suporn fucked up or you fucked up his work. Lily could orgasm after 2 weeks and was having sex after 2 months. she was around your age and healed much faster because she's so young.
>>5358493
well all i'm saying is from what i've seen i do not prefer american/canadian surgeons. If it works for them then fine good for them.
>>5358944
I don't know how he fucked up when he says his surgery is a year long recovery lily is just bullshitting or is really lucky.
>>5359035
>from what I've seen
You know nothing and have seen nothing.
Brassard does the exact same thing with scrotal tissue as Suporn does and didn't call it the greatest fucking innovation in the world when he started in the early 00s when Suporn was still a cheap Chet alternative for broke westerners and ladyboys.
>>5359177
Suporn has been studying this shit for 20 fucking years and was trained by Dr Preecha. excuse me bitch!
>>5359286
Now I'm the one who gets to kek
Yes, Suporn studied under Preecha, and Bowers claims to have studied Menard and Brassard too. Here's the actual facts: Suporn's meme status is recent, like 5-6 years old at best. Ten years ago Suporn's reputation was being the cheap alternative to Chet who didn't give a shit about the SOC. His main claim to fame wasn't his technique or his (claimed, some of the numbers are impossible unless the vag is literally jutting out in the back) depth, it was his ladyboy-tier prices. Yes he improved, yes he updated to modern techniques, but no he didn't fucking miraculously invent the one true way to do srs, especially not when his snowflake way of making clits is actually less close to cis in some ways than other surgeons (Chet doesn't do the chonburi shuffle).
>>5359311
heh thats funny cause everyone on this thread says chett is the cheap alternative to suporn.
>>5359311
Just so you know, the vagina (even a neovagina) goes "up" not backward. Standing upright, the opening is facing the ground. There is a slight bend past the pubic bone which is why, in evolutionary terms, penises tend to have a bend in them.
>>5359042
the only factor in lily's 2 week recovery time is how young she is. ask her. you're young too, so maybe suporn had one of his interns do your surgery?
>>5359042
I gladly show you the pics of the vagina canal 2 weeks post where you can see that it's pretty much healed for the most part if you want
>>5359530
I find it insulting that you say that just because it took me 6 months to finally decide my body was considered fully healed, because when I say fully healed I mean no issues once so ever as if there were no damage. Like I went to my doctor after a month post op and he said it healed nicely, but internally my body was telling me I was still in need of some recovery. And that does not neccessarily mean the aesthetics or even the vagina itself, it means my body in general in response to the surgery.
>finally time to read through the thread
>dat amount of ignorance and flat out false statments
>dat album in OP
thanks for the laughs /lgbt/
>>5360994
Yeah, it's just photoshop xD, the pics aren't real
does a small benis make this any harder?
>>5361010
what ?
>>5359785
Please do.
>>5361378
already done
weird how you can share something with people without posting it to everyone else
>>5361394
I am someone different though and want to see what you're on about too.
>>5361416
well but I don't show randoms my genitals
>>5361445
That's too bad. I guess I'll get to know you sometimes then.
>>5345989
Where do these holes even lead into? like, what are you penetrating?
i'm just gonna become a surgeon, and figure out a better way to do this shit myself
>>5361565
Well, vaginas have vaginal walls that hug your dick when you fuck it.
What is your dick touching inside these? the outside of your old penis?
>>5361612
>What is your dick touching inside these?
vagina walls
environment and hormonlevels are the cause of vagina specific cells so the skingraft used to form a vagina canal turns into the tissue over time
>>5361628
That's a myth. They don't become vaginal cells but the area becomes more vagina like.
>>5361688
>That's a myth.
Pierce, G.W., et. al. (1956, July). Changes in skin flap of a constructed vagina due to environment. American Journal of Surgery, 92,4-8.
Fawcett, D.W., et. al. (1994). Textbook of histology (12th ed.). New York: Chapman & Hall.
Alesandrescu, D., et. al. (1996). Neocolpopoiesis with split-thickness skin graft as a surgical treatment of vaginal agenesis: Retrospective review of 201 cases. American Journal of Obstetrics & Gynecology, 174(1), 131-138.
Masters, W.H. & Johnson, V.W. (1961, May-June). The artificial vagina: Anatomic, physiologic, psychosexual function. Western Jourmnal of Surgery, Obstetrics, & Gynecology,69,192-212.
all of those show that the environment and hormones cause change that make them identical to natal vaginal cells
Is Chettawut really as bad as everyone says?
Like I heard big clits, will I end up with some awful golfball?
>>5363002
He makes bigger clits and seems to have a dirtier hotel.
>>5363002
I'm sure people that go to him are happy but I saw the results of someone and it just looked wrong. Like it looked like the vaginal opening was under the labia instead of between them and the secondary sensate organ looked strange that I can really describe.
I went to a UK surgeon and even trying to remove my bias to my own I think it and others I've seen from my surgeon looks a lot better than what I've seen of his.
>>5361702
Tranny fantasies. Its an inside out cock you agp kek. Theres nothing wrong with that if your mental illness dictates you should have a mutilated dick but one study a real vagina does not make.
>>5364308
>muh feelings beat science
cool story
>>5364487
I think you've got that reversed "sis". Please provide more than one study that shows that a fauxgina can become a real vagina.
>>5346285
whats really interesting is cis women porn with large clits. looks like a nano dick
>>5364552
one ?
i count at least 4 articles from the 50s to the 90 with very different source material
are you blind or a bit on the soft side ?
>>5352627
>ugly vagina accepters
do straight guys really care about how gross a vagina looks?
>>5364595
It can be dismissed out of hand as tranny nonsense. You're not female hon.
>>5364715
so you refute evidence from unbiased scientists ?
"muh feels counter everything" much ?
>>5366124
>finds "dick like clits" hot
>claims to see a difference between a cis vag and a normal quality srs vag of the same age
#notachaser
#legit
>>5366139
Every time I've seen an SRS vag they just look so un-natural, un-natural doesn't look nice, just like breast implants
>>5366485
Got to explain how or else it's not even an opinion
>>5366638
Real clits have a skin that can fold over the clit, like a penis. :^)
>>5366638
Not the same anon, but bi mtf. I've been down on both cis girls and post-op trans. In all cases with mtf I've been able to tell that there was something either "off" about it. Scars, perineum looks unnatural, labia are asymmetrical, clit doesn't have a proper hood, etc. The only attractive neovag I have seen are on surgeon's websites and they still make up only 1 in 10 at best. I think most mtf overestimate how good they look and few have seen actual vaginas up close.
>>5366740
>perineum looks unnatural
elaborate
>labia are asymmetrical
so my cis gf is now post op too ?
>clit doesn't have a proper hood
must be one shitty surgeon then
>etc.
elaborate pls
>>5366691
so do good srs vaginas
>>5366775
>but the real ones, not the fakes
explain the difference pls
cause neither I nor my gf could find one thus far
>>5366879
agp transbian in denial
>>5366925
1/10 you can do better
>>5366879
>>labia are asymmetrical
>so my cis gf is now post op too ?
This I'll agree with you on, inner labia are rarely perfectly symetrical on CIS
>>5366879
>explain the difference pls
Hard to say really. I suppose it may be my subjective bias or it could be your suspension of disbelief, either way if you and your gf like it, more power to ya, I still don't.
No matter how skilled a surgeon is, they aint as "skilled" as nature. SRSvag is a facsimile, it's a production piece, not naturaly developed.
>>5366691
Yeah its called the clitoral hood. I have what you described.
>>5366945
How does it feel to know that everything you are is a product of a narcissistic fetish that causes you to be the object of your own desire? How does it feel knowing that you're incapable of being attracted to other people and only seek validation from partners so you can live the sexual fantasy of being a woman.
>>5366970
>How does it feel to know that everything you are is a product of a narcissistic fetish that causes you to be the object of your own desire?
"finding myself not attractive"-like
>How does it feel knowing that you're incapable of being attracted to other people
weirdly "being heavily attached to my gf"-like
>and only seek validation from partners so you can live the sexual fantasy of being a woman.
I don't even know how this "need for validation" is supposed to feel or be demostrable so pls explain
thanks :)
>>5366946
fair enough
personally I haven't seen any differences between good srs vaginas and natal women's parts of the same age
>>5367130
>you're a extremely transphobic picky unrealistic perfectionist.
you couldn't be anymore wrong if you tried, sorry
Is anyone interested in helping me make an image mixed full of trans and cis vaginas so we can actually test if people can tell them apart?
>>5367405
I think basing attraction of a woman based off how their vagina looks is completely retarded.
>>5367522
I do too, all I care about is whether it's original parts, whether it's a cis OR trans woman. Aesthics is the least of my concerns, I'm more interested in the personality/interests/beliefs of a potential love interest.
>>5367638
and yet you wouldn't date a trans women because they suppossedly have fake parts to you. watever.
>>5368409
No, I would date a trans woman, but only if they were keeping their boy parts.
>>5368453
>but only if they were keeping their boy parts.
topkek
spotted the closet fag
>>5359311
This doesn't sound factual. I remember back when the Suporn discussion group was like on yahoo groups. He was considered top notch, and like enough of it was better than what you would see elsewhere, and like maybe the vulvas would have looked perfectly normal if the labia didn't end oddly towards the bottom and the vagina didn't look like epidermal tissue being sucked inward oddly. This was probably a consequence of his unique use of the scrotum for vaginal tissue, which like not super anatomically analagous, but generally we have no tissue left that's analagous to a vagina. I wish we focused more on outcomes looking normal and paring away tissue in the most nerve-sparing manner so we don't end up with "phantom" issues (like even the columns of the shaft of penis, don't they correspond to the modern anatomical diagram of clitoral anatomy as the invisible overlooked parts of the vulva and should be placed at the sides underneath the labia majora roughly?) If you look at vulvas in different states, they do get obviously engorged.
Like for vaginas, I really wish we could rely on lab grown tissue being available to us soon, but honestly I'm 31, hrt since 17. I look and listen to this initially having hoped stuff had advanced and changed but it seems it hasn't? Like at Philadelphia THC, McGinn seemed to even have a specialised tattoo professional that worked on skin that would become internal, seemingly acknowledging the awkward appearance of purely epidermal tissue in the vulva and in the vagina. That kindof encouraged me a little that stuff had been getting better. Not that most people would look but it's one of those awkward things like you know instances of hair growing inside that like we don't really want to talk about, but would probably affect how we feel about our bodies and affect how partners would feel about them. Tw-erf sites seemed to be in all out glee when they caught wind of this issue.
Don't we want to feel less disfigured, not moreso?
>>5368453
I'm a trans woman and date primarily other trans women people preactically de facto, but really only coincidentally, on this basis. More trans women haven't had surgery than have had it generally, including amongst those of us that pass. I guess I understand the ambivalence, I know a lot about the flaws and complications of SRS; but I don't really see their having had SRS cancelling out my attraction to someone and you know feeling drawn to wanting to touch them. I don't know what I would do, I don't have experience with science vagina, and it sounds even then that results are inconsistent, but I'd still feel petrified by potentially alienating someone I was drawn to that was reciprocating those feelings.
I guess it's "easier" for me because of my own dysphoria, I largely prefer "outercourse" and intense makeouts and hate having my clothing removed. At the same time tho, except in difficult circumstances I've had with some notsogreat people, I generally ignore requests that I do something I don't want to do and defer to the fact when you are in that state with someone anyway, feelings beyond one word answers can be a little hard to express.
Idk, I'm a 160cm tall trans woman and you're a presumably non-castrated guy with muscle mass and I think you can probably manage the awkward. I've even broken tension by sitting us both up turning us towards a mirror in the room saying "omg look at both of our sex flushes already. our lips are gigantic. look at how cute we are. wtf are we complaining about?" and regained control of the awkward conversational interludes and just when back to lots and lots and lots of kissing and touching. It's pretty underrated I think being less focused on orgasms. Even cis women I've been with I've gotten sudden "complaints" from that they like have work the next day and didn't expect they'd want to stay up so long. Idk, stop being a cis man and start being a cis woman. There, that's my recommendation.
>>5369170
Swing and a miss there kid, already previously stated I'm bi, family and friends are fully aware of my sexuality, not that anyone who's judgemental about shit like that is allowed to stay in my life anyway.
>>5369435
I think I can understand where you're coming from, and I'm somewhat similar.
I'm not all about the intercourse either, I love foreplay and the build up more than anything, and there's plenty of times I've been happy to give as much pleasure as I can to a partner without any expectation of it being reciprocated.
As I've gotten older, my attraction to someone has become much more about who somebody is in terms of their attitudes/beliefs/interests etc, more about inner beauty than external beauty you could say, and while sex isn't the biggest factor in a relationship, for me it's still a pretty big factor.
All of this is kinda hypothetical anyway. For me to get even remotely near to wanting to be romantic or physical with them I would first have to get to know them really well as a friend. At the end of the day this means I'll almost stay single for the rest of my life, but I'd rather do that than get involved in something that's ultimately not fullfilling enough for me, as all my long term relationships have been so far.
>>5345989
bump
>>5369381
Tattoo's for SRS? are you sure? That sounds crazy.
>>5378680
It's too hide scars and make it more pink
>>5379091
Yeah, that seemed to be the general idea, right? For some reason I thought they did it on skin being used prior to surgery but maybe that's just what made more sense to me at the time. (Also since tissue inside scivag during exam using a speculum is like unnaturally pale; which I guess is specific to people with pale skin. Still, no one has pink skin either. Idk. Tbh, I guess it makes no sense they'd do it beforehand, it's only that it would probably make for better results. I gather most people come from far enough out of the area multiple visits with McGinn would impractical and expensive to map that sort of thing out beforehand. When I was at Philly THC, idk what it's like now, but they started with a professionals day; and technically lay people are allowed to attend but the professionals unspokenly clearly don't want you to, so I made myself pretty scarce and probably skulked out of there as soon as I lost interest, so idk, I don't really know how the clinic actually does things.
I look at the website and I guess it was inherited from trans men who got nipple tattooing. The before pic shows obvious morphological abnormality in the labia, like to the point of near absence at some parts (in common with the issue where you are trying to recreate the appearance of an nipple from scratch). The tattoo work seemed to help the morphological appearance, but that is like wow a scary vivid bloody red--but who knows maybe it was needed for contrast to cover up the morphological flaws effectively.
http://www.drchristinemcginn.com/services/tattoo.php
>>5361702
>Pierce, G.W., et. al. (1956, July). Changes in skin flap of a constructed vagina due to environment. American Journal of Surgery, 92,4-8.
>Alesandrescu, D., et. al. (1996). Neocolpopoiesis with split-thickness skin graft as a surgical treatment of vaginal agenesis: Retrospective review of 201 cases. American Journal of Obstetrics & Gynecology, 174(1), 131-138.
These studies were done on females who had genital defects
>Masters, W.H. & Johnson, V.W. (1961, May-June). The artificial vagina: Anatomic, physiologic, psychosexual function. Western Jourmnal of Surgery, Obstetrics, & Gynecology,69,192-212.
Of the the behaviour of cells change on hormones, doesn't change the fact that it's a Neo-vagina
>Fawcett, D.W., et. al. (1994). Textbook of histology (12th ed.). New York: Chapman & Hall.
A whole textbook with no except, nice.
>>5381025
>except
excerpt*
>>5358944
>clit
How do Thais do te Clit wrong?
>>5381025
the studies show that chromosomes and skin don't matter and the change of tissue is entirely due to environment and hormone levels
>still neo
how do you distinguish if the cells are literally the same
>>5381873
>>how do you distinguish if the cells are literally the same
Because one was born with one and one was born without (born with a penis to be exact).
To say Neo-vagina IS a vagina isn't truthful to be honest.
>>5382759
Yeah, the cells aren't the same. They change a bit, but not to cis vag epithelial cells. I remember some trans guy at a conference saying that trans women can be fisted, which I don't even remember how he got on the topic other than maybe he was just that affected by T, but he clearly didn't know what options were available to trans women. I won't really get into the what isn't and isn't a vagina discussion, but no it's nothing identical or ideal. To say otherwise obstructs what could advance surgical options that are more suitable, won't require dilation to avoid contracture (which still often happens, depending on individual tendencies wrt scarring), infections, or collapse.
I've heard it compared to what can happen with change in the epidermis, risk of infection and adhesion between skin folds in people who are regarded to medically morbidly obese or whatever is the correct term, but whose movement is restricted so the folds do not get much air.
>>5381088
They make them really big.
>>5383837
I thought Suporn did small clits?
I mean the Mcginn picture in the album is the biggest clit there...
>there's people in this thread taking those shopped pics seriously
>>5384617
They're not shopped, just look at Danielle Foxxx's videos
>>5363588
I stayed in the 'dirty' hotel of Chettawut's.
It's actually nice, It's just that they're all kind of aged outside cabins. Also the restaurant is very overpriced and not that nice.
The owner is also an FTM, so maybe thats why they have a deal with each other.
He also has 2 5 star hotels to stay at as well...
>>5387394
There's also stray cats that hang around in the gardens which people might find a bit dirty.
>>5387434
Ya'll ever seen an actual ax wound?
>>5388201
Yes, they have a labia minora, labia majora and a fuck hole just like neovaginas
>>5387434
so you base it on the "muh feels" idea of reasoning ?
i honestly doubt you ever saw or smelled a neovag
and most certainly never fucked one lol
Bump for info
>>5387435
Aww, cute kitty. What is that on its body?
I thought it was a doge from the thumbnail.
>>5390044
Lily what's your opinion on Chet ?
I've narrowed my choice between Suporn and Chet but it's hard to find objective information.
Is the price about the same ? What made you choose Sup over Chet ?
>>5394887
Not lilly so I won't give an opinion, but chet is about $13000AUD and suporn is about $25000AUD
>>5394868
He was attacked by another resident cat, so he had to be patched up.
Think it was this cat that attached him
>>5394938
>>girls
>lmao
We get it. Now please go.
>>5346104
>>5345989 (OP)
>>younger girls have nice looking SRS vag
>>old hons have disgusting ones that look nothing like vaginas
>I think it has more to do with age and surgeon than anything else. Can't make nice vag out of low quality flesh.
This is interesting, but I can't help but imagine it also has its own limitations.
I was in contact with a friend whose parents paid for her to get SRS by in Thailand in her late teens while she was in care. She needed multiple operations of revision work due to clots. I never saw her vulva nor did I ask because I'm not gross. Most other people I know who had SRS had it under similar circumstances, they were able to pay at an earlier age because they had parental support. This even includes people now currently in their 30s.
Complications are the norm. Many, including who go to Suporn, suffer contacture, even after grafts, making typical PIV or PIV-like sex impossible/dangerous. My younger friend mentioned has since been raped (if that clears up the "desirability" of scivag for anyone) and while she was not physically injured, it's very clear she could have easily been.
I may sound pessimistic about SRS in its current state, and I am; but we just need to be real it has a long way to go. Still, regrets are unusual, being free of the previous mess downstairs seems to take precedence over any state they deal with after, even where one friend had clear last minute doubts telling me she was only doing this because she felt she had to, like she had no choice. It's disturbing, but in the end SRS seems to have a far more positive net impact on trans women than negative, even in its current state.
On older people, I have a paucity of relevant first hand accounts that I recall actively listening too because predictably, it was tied up in romanticisation and affectation which as always formed a barrier with me in terms of my feeling like I was listening to honesty, anything real.
>>5395223
>being free of the previous mess downstairs seems to take precedence over any state they deal with after
This rings true for me, I've had my fair share of post-op issues but there hasn't been a single moment where I've thought "Wow, I really regret this, I wish I still had a penis instead". I'm truly so much more comfortable in myself now having a neo-vagina than I ever thought possible.
>>5394887
>Is the price about the same ?
idk but here is the price breakdown for suporn (it might be cheaper if you don't shop much and only stay the required time since I stayed a week or so longer than needed)
for your regional price pls use google exchange calculator :
surgery : 550000 THB
flight 2way (direct) : 650€
hotel : 42000 THB (breakfast included)
food : 5000 THB (restaurant next to hotel is extremely cheap but good)
random stuff : 25000 THB (shopping and so on)
>What made you choose Sup over Chet ?
his post surgery stuff mainly
you get 2 checkups by himself per week and daily check up by his staff, medication is liberally given to you (still have stuff left) and pretty much 24/7 availability if you need someone
also that all post ops are in the same hotel is a good thing imo cause you can also ask them for help and stuff
>>5394926
>>5395542
Seems like Chet is cheaper, but not as cheap as >>5394926 says, I've been reading about higher prices, but I guess it's not that signifianct considering that you're paying for something this important.
>>5395542
Okay, thanks for the details. He's less expensive than I thought.
>random stuff : 25000 THB (shopping and so on)
Neat, I suppose stuff is a lot cheaper there. What did you buy ?
>>5395798
>Okay, thanks for the details.
no problem :)
>He's less expensive than I thought.
yeah there seems to be this odd overestimation of prices when it comes to srs, it's still a lot but not /that/ much
>Neat, I suppose stuff is a lot cheaper there. What did you buy ?
clothes,loads of lube,condoms and so on
souvenirs and that's about it
cheaper is a hit and miss central plaza mall in chonburi is roughly the same price as european stores but the small mall near the hotel is significantly cheaper (like 100-500 thb for a nice piece of clothing)
>>5395821
Condoms aren't really the kind of stuff I'd like to buy for cheap haha
>cheap clothes
Aww yiss
>>5395860
>Condoms aren't really the kind of stuff I'd like to buy for cheap haha
you need 2-3 of them 3 times per day in the beginning for dilation
>>5395223
>Complications are the norm
There are minor differences in healing for everyone, but true complications to the procedure? Are you referring to specific surgeons or something I missed?
For an experience surgeon, it's a routine operation. My surgeon did the same exact thing they did for the 100 patients before me and will keep doing that for the next 100. The results aren't perfect for anyone, but it's not like they're tinkering with the surgery or experimenting for each patient.
>>5396022
In this sense, what I most hear relates to how post-surgical outcomes are such a long process to have a certain outcome, depending on dilation and how one heals and scars. Again, I don't query how people's genitals look; and we have examples, anyway. OTOH, it may well be most people that bring up sex in relation to being post-SRS, where unavoidable pain and difficulty is experienced in attempts of having intromissive intercourse, it is just that ubiquitous a complaint amongst any conversation of someone speaking candidly, for some it even being impossible. Again, including even after revision with grafting from skin from the leg, which to me I found extremely disturbing as it was not something i could ever see myself considering. It seems that people who have trouble with contracture/healing/scarring, it is likely to stay an issue until we can culture organs and tissue for transplantation.
I may be lucky that if I get it, I am already someone whose dysphoria makes me prefer outercourse and it may mean I simply still will, but with less dysphoria from the shifting mess in the way. HRT through effects on general size of the mess and it's fairly intense effects on sexual feelings which are more diffuse throughout the body allowed my parts to feel more amorphous, but they're still there. As much as I critique the outcomes as being morphologically obviously different, including even going to lengths to produce a vagina where no analogous tissue is available compared to the vulva--I can easily see myself being another person who would not feel regret but relief. As for partners, and how they would feel towards me, it seems very unpredictable.
As we face difficulties in hospital accommodations, humiliating scanning and searches during travel, I find myself with looming social dangers that may even now be taking precedence over all other considerations. Anticipating backlash, I think that since I can get it covered, I may want to do so while I still can.
>>5383894
He does, but some people get large clits from him for some reason. Probably has to do with how thier cock is shaped idk.
>>5396796
Well if you stay committed to the dilation schedule for suporn. It is worth it because I didn't have any problems and PIV is not that difficult anymore.
>>5395798
Yeah, I was about $4000 off for Suporn as I was going off memory. He's about $21,000.
Also for Lilly's comment of Suporn aftercare being better, she's probably right. The nurses that visit with chet are good, but they don't communicate too much, if you're worried you sort of just get met with 'it's okay, it's okay' and you're left a bit worried still until you have an assessment at the clinic.
So yeah, they're good as nurses but don't communicate as much as you'd hope.
>>5396823
Mine's notably smaller than average, so hopefully that means a small clit.
>>5397281
Usually the big clit issue is for people that go to suporn and they have big dicks. People say suporn is good if you have a small dick. and yeah chett is a cheaper version of suporn basically. You won't get a better aftercare, however I'd say the hotel chett patients stay at is nice (since I went to the hotel the patients stayed at cause a friend of someone I met there decided on chett instead) if that matters since hes situated in bangkok while suporn is situated in industrial shit town chonburi. Although I dont know why anyone would decide what surgeon based on that though.
>>5397451
>industrial shit town
hey chonburi has fallout charm and the best restaurant
>>5397451
Which hotel?
I went to the Bangkok Rama and while simple, I enjoyed it. I'm the one who posted the pictures of the cats.
Did you stay at the Dusit Princess?
>>5345989
Some on them look good, but I'm too scared of half of the results...
>>5396859
I went to a UK surgeon (so had an inversion) and don't have any issues with PiV sex either, in fact it feels pretty damn amazing.
The specialist nurse at the place I went said not to expect much internal sensation but fuck it's amazingly sensitive inside. My partner easily stimulates the prostate during and there's none of the pain that comes with anal. just pleasure all the way down.
Does anyone know if suffering Phismosis affects the end result of SRS, specifically Suporn?
I know there's a lot of information about circumcision and it's effects but I'm having trouble finding information on the opposite end of the spectrum.
I don't think it should influence it but I want to try and find out some more information.
>>5400174
not to my knowledge
but if in doubt just send sophie (suporns assistant) a mail and ask
>>5366970
What do you gain by posting this? Does making trannies annoyed/sad make you feel better about yourself?
This thread is really fantastic for making you give up on SRS.
>>5400526
if you believe trolls and pictures of bad surgeons I agree
by that logic you must think strawberries work against cancer too tho
>>5396859
I'm pretty sure the person I know best as an example from Suporn would have. They're one of the people who also did grafting for revision. I really think we need to find a way to assess how one scars and heals ahead of time. Even Suporn himself emphasises he wants people to have only had inguinal orchidectomies and not scrotal, if they've had them done at all. IIRC, this is because scar tissue is so impactful on the final result and he has to make enough incisions himself to consider.
At the same, again, she is like the opposite of what I would consider regret and would almost become hostile if I was considering spending money on anything else. So yeah, like I think we need to find better ways to talk about complications openly rather than what we may confide amongst smaller groups at conferences, or one on one betw friends. Do we think it's odd that it's rare people themselves come on open forums basically saying "I HAVE VAGINA PROBLEMS, TROLL ME NOW" because that's what would happen, either from "lol ew" crowd or people who are even uncomfortable hearing there's any difference betw scivag or post-hysto cisvag. It's such a sensitive issue, who would offer themselves to it.
I can again emphasise tho, amongst all the people I've met who have had serious problems (I would lose count), none have been "regretters" at all wanting what they had pre-surgery back. While I doubt that's an easy process to come to, to say "I shouldn't have done this"--I think it becomes more apparent in that people still consistently recommend I get it without reservation. This really reinforces my scepticism that I've somehow overlooked hidden "regretters" amongst people I've met talking about their results. Regret does indeed seem very rare, and perhaps it is it's own population that's vulnerable to it and worth isolating.
I could only *guess* tho that people who have had SRS will probably want equal access to any advances made in surgery, like cultured mucosal tissue.
>>5405032
I think if you are this skeptical then you will regret the surgery. Alot of people who get this surgery want it extremely badly. I can't say for sure but if you are concerned do your research and talk to a therapist and see if you want to commit to somthing like this.
>>5345989
Do these mtfs experience sexual pleasure, i.e. an orgasm or does the sexual pleasure derive from the idea of being penetrated by a man?
I won't lie, I've had sex with about half a dozen women, all of which occurred before I was 20 and three of these instances were drunkenly induced three-ways where I was primarily attracted to the male partner. The vagina feels much better than the anus, but fuck that album, if my mindset wasn't already solidified, solidified my disgust for the appearance of the vagina.
I need a drink.
>>5400174
Where's this "a lot of information about circumcision" you're talking about?
>>5405839
>Do these mtfs experience sexual pleasure
I can't speak for them but I have a lot pleasure sensation both inside my vagina and on the external vulva. Penetration stimulates both the clitoris and the prostate which feels amazing so there is very much physical pleasure as well as mental.
>>5406117
not sure what information they were talking about but circumcision reduces sensitivity and moisture so you lose quite a bit of sensitivity and vulva lubrication due to the lack of foreskin to use
also foreskin is kinda important for the inside of the labia minora due to its texture and lubrication
>>5400174
>>5409496
FML
>>5405762
I think dysphoria from being a shemale long enough is worth making sacrifices. I'd just rather have my head on planet earth, not be part of srs doc cult think.
>calling a gross inverted dicksock a vagina
fucking trannies m8
>>5412377
Crackhead, does this interest you?
Is it worth getting grs if you pass pretty well and have no real genital dysphoria, but you're tired of being trans and your state won't change your legal gender without forcing you to have your dick turned inside out? I didn't have the good luck of being born in Commiefornia or Jew York. I just want people to see me as something other than a tranny and I'm tired of tucking.
>>5412402
This would be easier to answer if they had anatomically analogous nerve sparing vulvaplasty. Do we really need vaginas when there is no tissue for it and for a huge number of us are pretty gay and any prospective partners are more likely to be other trans women anyway after we've stopped settling for men?
Like it would be nice, but I'd rather they have procedures where they put all their effort into the vulva as we wait for medical science to give a shit about us and not leave our rather involved urogentital circumstances and related health entirely beholden to the for-profit cosmetic surgery industry and surgeons protected reputations (including litigiously).
http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/laboratory-grown-vaginas-succesfully-transplanted-patients
Remember this? http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(14)60542-0/abstract
It would be nice if we had research for us that cared about non-vaginal tissue and related problems for us.
Otoh, I would consider srs just given how society's tolerance of us and conditions placed upon our participation in society may warp drastically. Why do we have so many literal nazis on /lgbt/ vs anything I can find record of. Because there's blood of a potentially very viable scapegoat in the water. I've never seen us obsessed over like this and it makes me scared shitless sometimes. If you are otherwise fully transitioned and can't bear detransitioning, you should at least try to keep your options in mind, without getting paranoid and losing sanity.
Also I have no idea how they fuck up or deprioritise something as basic as how the mons pubis looks outwardly. :/
>>5412495
>fuckup or deprioritize mons pubis
wat.jpg
>>5412880
>>fuckup or deprioritize mons pubis
>wat.jpg
I'm trying to avoid pointing at the specific picture of someone standing in the album and shout "What is that?!" I actually don't want people to feel really shit about their bodies, not just me. I want revision work to advance with SRS. Like maybe literally a shaped or shapeable implants would deal with giant cleft/dimples when they occur? Idk. I just could see that as making me feel weirder than what becomes obvious from closer examination or sex.
>>5413889
idk since mons pubis is just fat not all women have one
fail to see how this is something needed for srs
>>5418476
There is subcutanous fat everywhere on the body. Even on parts of the body you don't think of as fatty start to look strange if it completely disappears. The surgeon fucked up. Either the placement of tissue didn't work (if this is even a goal, tbhon this angle is rarely focused on by doctors, which makes me worry), or if everything is placed normally, the literal indentation looks like lipodystrophy from poor healing, necrosis or something.
>>5423476
ahh so you mean this specific photo ?
now I understand
>>5345989
I want to know, does it become harder to hold in your pee after srs? Since like the urethra is shorter and a lot of it would be covered by the prostate.
Also is self lubrication actually possible? Reading trueselves, most of it just seems like ejaculation after orgasm.
>>5426739
no. you are no more prone to incontinence than being hrt may have made you slightly more prone to (due to a general shrinking of the whole urogenital system occuring after pubertal overgrowth, much like any androgenic skeletal overgrowth left unsupported by androgenic musculature can leave some more susceptible to dislocations)
otherwise, i'm pretty sure the muscles that control going to the washroom are not in the penis, and even if they were that wouldn't give one much more reserve space for urine. it's like a tiny non-elastic straw vs an expandable bladder
if less than ideal srs injures internal parts tho, i'm sure it's possible
>>5426739
I have a few rl friends who definitely get wet before sex. I have no idea if it correlates entirely by surgeon since I didn't exactly ask around, I know these five have seen McGinn, Brassard and Suporn though.
>>5423476
Also from experience, the two I've seen irl definitely had a defined mons pubis.
>>5345989
>http://imgur.com/a/SAxGA
Jesus fuck those last pics.
>>5426739
>Also is self lubrication actually possible?
Yes and no, but almost a definite no in terms of self-lubricating like the typical (afab) vaginal epithelium. Aside from limited use of urethral mucosa in some procedures, people talk of how tissue changes, but I don't see how it would literally transform. Epidermal tissue can produce wetness, especially in enclosed environments, and even more so of tissue already considered a region with high proneness for producing sweat. If that tissue in innervated, all the more likely you will feel "wet". Is it the same? I don't see how could be. Is it analagous in terms of what exacerbates it? Maybe likely, considering pheremone release is tied to localised sweating, so this may be the most important thing subjectively, and if you are that interested in someone you might take an interest in their subjectivity, naturally. Hopefully.
Since it's more than likely different and it takes almost a miracle to imagine how it wouldn't be, does it matter if it's different? Ideally it should not, I just don't know if we're really there yet in terms of meeting everyone's comfort zone.
I'm not sure how much complaining some guy's penis has right to, I don't really care, but of course that's not the only form of sex, and not the most likely to discern differences.
noob question here: what does "hon" mean?
>>5426739
no you get used to the shorter urethra
lubrication works without a problem, personally a bit too well
what do you mean with ejaculation tho ?
