Why does the lgbt group seem to hate christianity
gods gay
>>5336538
Why does christianity seem to hate lgbts?
Well other religions have the same policy's on the matter like Islam but lgbt seems to get along with them a lot better
>>5336638
>LGBT getting along with Islam
My sides!
>>5336538
I have no problem with any major religion other than Islam.
>>5336638
>lgbt gets along with Islam
what on earth gave you this idea?
>>5336638
I don't really like any religion whatsoever, Islam included, but I will respect people who respect me regardless of what their beliefs are. I do not discriminate against innocent people because if I did then I would be just as bad as the Christians I claim to hate, wouldn't I? So, just don't be a dick and we'll get along.
i dislike all abrahamic faiths, they're toxic and filled with disgusting beliefs on top of not being based in reality at all...
>>5336961
>le reddit
fuck off, ratheist
Desert-monkey faiths like the abrahamic ones are a drain on society. The only positive implementation we've seen is anglo-centric european christianity. And that is/was corrupt as all fuck.
But christianity and jewism are at least tolerable in their present incarnations.
But Islam should be destroyed with the utmost lethal force tbqfh, famille.
>>5336538
when i step onto holy ground or speak to an evangelist or fundamentalist, i feel an eerie outward pull on my soul, distant screaming fills my ears, and the fires of hell rake my skin
or i have terrible anxiety attacks, i'm not sure
>>5336538
Because the pendulum swings both ways.
>>5336538
Christianity is dumb, but it's not a big problem or anything. Islam needs to be wiped off of the face of the earth though; that religion turns all of the followers to nutjobs.
>hordes of people incoming claiming "they shall surely be put to death" is pulled out of context and shouldn't be read like that
Yeah fuck off you can't write "kill all gays" clearer than that.
>>5338811
>Christianity is dumb, but it's not a big problem or anything.
>I'm just going to ignore the fact that over 40% of all homeless people in Christian countries are children who are kicked out of their parent's house for being LGBT, or are adults but were children back when they were kicked out of their parent's house for being LGBT.
That's not even counting the LGBT ones that are treated fine by their parents, but then fired by their bosses repeatedly and/or kicked out of their apartments by their landlords for being LGBT.
Saying Christianity is not a big problem is like saying having malignant brain tumors is not a big problem.
>>5338831
Yeah, but Christianity has been is on a serious decline in the west. It's going to mostly go away within our lifetimes.
>>5338857
In countries where there used to be Christianity, but there isn't anymore, the numbers for homeless LGBT are exactly the same. Only in countries that have never had serious contact with Christianity OR Muslims OR Jews (in other words, 0 countries today) is this not true. Over 40% of all homeless people in Japan are LGBT kids kicked out by their parents, even though over 90% of that country claims to be atheist, because they have had extensive contact with Christians. Before Christians went to Japan this wasn't true of homeless people.
People who lie and say they're not Christian when they are deserve death just as much as open Christians. If you come to believe 1000 lies, but then you disavow 999 of them and only remember the worst and most harmful one, you're still a shithead for believing 1 dumb lie.
I don't care if the Japanese straight people no longer drink the tiny wine cups or eat the tiny crackers, that's not the thing I hate about straight Christians. You could eat all the crackers and drink all the wine you want if you weren't a piece of shit.
It'll be hundreds of years after Christianity has completely vanished from the Earth 100% before straight people stop disowning little kids because Jesus told them to.
>>5338918
Japan is not the west. Christianity has never been very prevalent there and their problems and cultures are completely different.
>>5338931
>I just said gay children weren't being disowned before Christians showed up in Japan
>immediately started getting disowned after Christians handed out their flyers
>said it's the same in EVERY country that's ever had contact with any of the big three religions
>that's a proven fact
>I just said it'll be the same in every country hundreds of years after Christianity disappears completely from the Earth, even after 0 people on Earth are Christians
>"muh buh but different problem culture completely not west buh buh buh" -You
>>5338950
My argument has only been concerned with the western world from the beginning. Japan isn't relevant.
>>5338955
It was an example you retarded piece of shit. I was counting on you to use logic and draw some conclusions by comparing the circumstances in Japan to the future of western countries. I guess I was expecting too much from you.
>>5338962
>comparing the circumstances in Japan to the future of western countries
These aren't the same at all. Japan is way behind on LGBT laws when compared to the west. The west post-Christianity will not be like Japan is today in regard to treatment of LGBT. In the west, almost all aversion to LGBT is done because of religious upbringing, but with that way on the decline; you'll see these kinds of things go away.
>>5338918
no one wants gay kids. in any country, anywhere. some people are more "tolerant" of it, but no one wants to know their genes created a homosexual.
>>5339052
That was pretty cool pedophile. You sure did get a doubles over on me.
>>5338969
I made an argument for the opposite happening. What happened in Japan is also true in China, North Korea, and other "atheist" nations. In Sweden, Norway, Belgium, all "atheist" nations if I'm not mistaken, all disowned their gay children, all discriminate against gay people. Any place where straight people have been lied to, or their parents were lied to, by other straight Christians. They're extremely fast to give up praying to a god, since that hurts their ego, or to pay tithes, since they're tightwads, but they just go ahead and keep lying and keep disowning children because they're human so they're really just looking for an excuse to be evil and nobody will call them out on it but will instead deny reality like you're doing.
I'm drawing from information we know about the world right now to make my claim. You'd setting up hypothetical "what if"s that haven't happened in reality yet in the situation you're describing anywhere in the world.
I can do that too. What if you were a decent human being?
>>5339091
Oriental countries are still spiritual and religious in a different sense despite not typically believing in any deities. It's not at all analogous to the west.
> In Sweden, Norway, Belgium, all "atheist" nations
None of these are atheist or secular countries. Norway and Sweden's atheist rates vary a lot depending on the estimate and large amounts of the population still belong to a church.
>>5339124
Once again none of what you said is true. And Greenland is another good example, almost as atheist as Japan, but they've had extensive contact with Christians and their straight people create about 40% of the homeless by disowning gay children, a problem they didn't have before Christianity made it's rounds.
>>5339155
>implying you had any sort of reliable homeless LGBT statistics in fucking Greenland before Christianity rolled in
Are you serious?
Oriental countries do not believe in deities, but they are not secular. They believe in lots of bullshit spiritual things.
76.1% of the population in Norway belongs to Norway's Lutheran Church. 66% of the population in Sweden belongs to Sweden's Lutheran Church (the largest Lutheran Church in the world by the way). And finally, 58% of Belgium's population adheres to the Catholic Church. Hell, the Church in Norway is still the State Church and Sweden's Church was only officially divorced from the government in 2000. These are not atheist, secular countries.
>>5339185
I'm not going to believe your lies just because you said I have to if I can't locate huge amounts of peer reviewed evidence.
Christians were piece of shit liars long before science proved they are piece of shit liars using peer-reviewed studies. In the same way, they were kicking kids out before peer-reviewed studies, and straight people weren't doing that before Christianity.
And most people in those countries who go to church claim to be atheist and that they only go to socialize or that religion is not an important part of their life. And based on their sexual promiscuity, porn use, drinking, theft, it's true, religion isn't an important part of their life, except when it comes to disowning children, then it's super duper important.
I've been making the point that atheists are really just liars who are Christians. You're not really doing much to argue over that by citing people who admit they go to church AND claim they don't have faith.
>>5339124
>None of these are atheist or secular countries. Norway and Sweden's atheist rates vary a lot depending on the estimate and large amounts of the population still belong to a church.
Norwegian here, norway is a secular country and the numbers of people who "belong" to the church are often unknowingly written up as a member of the "state" church at birth. I am, I knever was baptised but for some fucking reason I'm still a member. I think they ended this practice someitme after the 2000's.
I can only pull estimated numbers out of my ass but I can with pretty much safety say that 70 % of the members fall in that category, they either dont know or dont care enough to end their membership.
>>5339231
You've basically been claiming this whole time that before Christianity; large amounts of homeless people weren't LGBT. I can actually believe that in case of Japan. But I highly doubt pagans or whoever was running around in Greenland was LGBT friendly before Christians showed up.
>I've been making the point that atheists are really just liars who are Christians.
That has not been clear at all until just now. I'm not saying that Europe is highly religious or anything, but it's not an atheist paradise at all. A 2010 poll in Norway had only 29% of Norwegians denying all deities and spiritual entities. Sure that's higher than most of the world, but most people on the planet still believe in some sort of spiritual thing.
What's important to note is the trend which is that secularism is rapidly on the rise. Of course it's still a minority, but give it a couple of decades and it'll be at least half of the population.
I'd be surprised if someone would find a religion that was actually positive about homosexuality.
Because thus far all religions I know are either outright negative, disapproving or grudgingly tolerant.
I haven't heard of one still thriving religion that is actually and honestly accepting.
>>5339260
The pagans were a varied lot. Some of their cults had festivals centered around homosexual acts. Others went on to combine with one another and create the new super-cult known as Judaism, as well as Christianity and Muslims, which are just Judaism + even more pagans. Pagan is a very broad term. If you're talking about the particular pagans that had anti-gay laws, I would argue that those were the ones that went on to combine into Judaism and Christianity, and I believe history backs me up on that. And if it's those pagans you're referring to, that really just means that they were Christianity 1.0, whereas today's Christianity is Christianity 2.0.
The further back in time you go, the more rare it was for a pagan cult to have anti-gay laws. There wasn't a single recorded cult in all of North, Central or South America until the Jews and Christians and Muslims came. An ancient cult's anti-gay attitudes are directly proportional to their proximity to Jerusalem*their trade with Jerusalem/2.
>>5339260
>That has not been clear at all until just now.
It has been perfectly clear from the beginning. I said atheists do Christian things, making them Christians, in my first post in this thread. If you're the sort of dog shit who buries their heads in the sand and refuses to understand even the simplest statements, fuck you.
>>5339308
There is a ton of [citation needed] in this post. Sure there are instances of homosexuality being relatively okay like like Greece or Rome, but I highly doubt you can conclusively show that people were okay with LGBT in Europe pre-Christianity.
>I said atheists do Christian things
You didn't say this at all other than making a comparison to Japan which is not valid because those people are still spiritual anyway.
>>5339356
There isn't any [citation needed] at all. You have haven't provided a single citation for all of your claims that Christianity is good, or that atheists don't disown gay children, or that straight people were already disowning gay children before the Jews. Besides, you're defending straight people, so I don't need any citations just on that fact alone, you're only dog shit.
>>5339368
>all of your claims that Christianity is good
I have not made that claim at all.
> Besides, you're defending straight people, so I don't need any citations just on that fact alone, you're only dog shit.
Sorry but what the hell is wrong with you?
>>5339378
>I have not made that claim at all.
My first post in this thread was in response to you saying that Christianity isn't that bad. Which is the opposite of the truth since it's extremely bad, basically completely bad.
>Sorry but what the hell is wrong with you?
I don't lie very often.
>>5339385
Not that bad != good
You seem like you irrationally hate straight people for no real reason.
>>5339388
Completely 100% evil infectious deadly lies != Not that bad
I hate straight people because they're all complete dogshit, there's nothing irrational about admitting that.
>>5339394
>I hate straight people because they're all complete dogshit
Seriously, go see a therapist or something.
I don't.
>>5339400
>"You hate all straight people?"
>"You better go see a straight person who went to college for 8 years taking courses on how to professionally lie, legally pump people full of poisons, insult them and brainwash them, and pay that straight person thousands of dollars!"
Shut up you filthy dog shit straight person.
>>5339394
>I hate straight people because they're all complete dogshit
I didn't know there were people who thought the same things as me.
>>5339420
See a gay therapist.
>>5339423
Therapists are even more likely to be Christian then the general population. Even gay therapists tend to be Christian, unlike ordinary gay people. In other words, gay therapists are lying Uncle Tom straight loving pieces of dogshit who wish they were straight. I'm not going to go see a liar who's Christian like you and pay them thousands of dollars to lie to me and try and make me naive and hurt my feelings and pump me full of poisons. I like knowing the truth, even if it hurts your feelings.
Even psychologists and psychiatrists are too Christian for my liking. And gay psychologists and psychiatrists are even more likely to be Christian then straight psychologists and psychiatrists, it's the one profession besides bishop where gays are even more likely to be Christian then straight people. Every post in my thread has been about how I don't believe Christian lies, why do you think a gay could trick me with Christian lies better then a straight person can? All straight people are dogshit, I've known it since I was a child, I'll know it till the day I die.
>>5339456
Religion have been around for centuries and esthiablished great cultures, with it there is no order. if there was no religion and merely order what are we left with? Communism? Mao rejected all religion and called culture a poison. Maybe he was right, we should burn all old ways, old books and old people. :()
>>5339465
Those were some shitty lies you dog shit.
>>5338831
Still better than being killed, actually, still better than being killed because you don't follow the Quran.
Allah explicitly states that all non believers must be either converted or killed. Any muslim that says otherwise is either not really following that goddamn book or is lying.
>>5339470
And here's the part where you call everyone who disagrees with you a pedophile, right? I'm an atheist but your trolling is retarded and isn't fooling anyone.
>>5339771
The Bible explicitly states that homosexual acts are punishable by death. Any Christian that says otherwise is either not really following that goddamn book or is lying.
>>5339992
The bible isn't the foundation of Christianity, specifically the new testament is, and Catholicism might even go farther and only follow specific parts of the new testament.
Islamism however follows the Quran, without interpretations, whitout changes.
You either don't know anything about Christianity or you are trolling
>>5340306
The Old Testament is still part of the Christian bible. Unless there's anything that says that specific part of the OT doesn't count anymore, it still applies. By your logic, Christians don't have to follow the ten commandments either, since they're from the OT as well.
>>5340357
>Matthew 22:37–39
>You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.
>This is the great and first commandment
>And ha second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
That is the law of Christ, which goes directly against the old testament which were laws given to the israelites on how to please and worship god, as well as how to atone for sins.
Furthermore, Catholics have to follow the Church, which states that
>people with homosexual tendencies “must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity”
And again islam goes further than simply condemning homosexuality it condemns any Kafirs, i.e. infidels.
>>5340393
>For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
>>5336538
The better question would be
>Why does christianity seem to hate lgbt?
And for the original question, if they hate me for something, I either stop talking to them or hate back. But I don't hate on people without a reason.
>>5342389
Then again that only refers to israelites, the big difference between them and christians is which laws they follow.
>>5342673
So then do Christians have to follow nothing in the old testament?
>>5342696
Christians? No. Catholics? Even less, they only have to follow the stances of the Catholic church, which stopped following several things even from the new testament.
>>5336638
Uuuh No.
All religions have some sort of affinity for hating women. So i don't waste my time on them
>>5342782
C'mon anon, old pagans, specially from celtic religions worshiped both the male and the female concept.
>>5342782
>all religions
Great generalization.
>>5342814
no one really believes in non-abrahamic religions right?
those are all just myths told by father Seamus to keep us all good catholics, right?
>>5342673
It's still used as a justification for murdering gays, and it has been so for the last 1500 years.
It has only been very recent that attitudes have slowly begrudgingly changed, and religion had nothing to do with it.
So no I don't believe the catholic church has changed their stance on the matter at all.
Once a thief always a thief.
>>5336580
Misconceptions.
>>5342966
Sure it has been used as a justification for killing gays, but not in the west, and not for a good time, with the exception of those nutjobs that appear from time to time.
You can believe whatever you want, but the official stance of the catholic church was already posted, you are simply shutting your eyes to hold onto your grudge. And muslims would still do worse than killing you.
>>5336538
Just a question. Why didn't the jews like Hitler?
>>5345945
>but not in the west, and not for a good time
In the west for 1500 fucking years.
And all of a sudden they pull a 180, pretend to feel sorry and that we have to forgive them because "that's what God wanted". The same God who sentenced us to burn at the stake.
It'd be like the entire middle east apologising to Israel for all the hate and hoping they can be friends. They'd be rightfully suspicious of the knife behind their backs.
>official stance of the catholic church
Actions speak louder than words.
And we have 1500 years of actions and words.
I don't trust them. I don't trust any of them.
And rightfully so.
>being Christian lgbt
>hated by Christians
>hated by lgbt
>>5338831
From fedora to hon
>>5347223
Your choice.
>>5336538
Christians have been at the forefront of opposition to LGBT rights
being a gay Christian is like being a Jewish national socialist
you're a fucking traitor and you should hang your head in shame
Here's the thing though whenever I find a christian, Mormon, catholic, etc that is supportive of LGBT people. I can't help but love bomb them.
They're better human beings than they are religious dogmatists.
>>5336538
>Why does the lgbt group seem to hate christianity
It's just a response to hatemongers, prudes, and bullies that delight in conflating homosexuality with murder and theft while trying to institute discriminatory polices against us.
The Christians that don't do any of those things still wear the label Christian, and won't renounce their brothers and sisters in Christ. So they get painted with the same brush.
>>5336580
Because Paul, one of the most important characters in their holy book, doesn't like us.
>1 Corinthians 6:9-11
>"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
>1 Timothy 1:9-10
>9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
>10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
Also they want their sheep to be good breeders, so they can grow their flocks.
>>5339263
Supposedly Wicca is gay friendly. Had a boyfriend that was into Wicca after deconverting from Christianity. It helped him to participate in a weekly ritual with people that didn't hate and fear him like his old baptist church did.
>>5336638
The Muslims and Christians in my area are effectively the same in their beliefs about, and treatment of, gay people.
>>5339407
pic related for a lesbro.
Hope you have a tolerant church.
>>5347223
If you can put up with the woo, then join a Unitarian Universalist church if you want to be liked by LGBTs and Christians.
>>5347737
>if you want to be liked by LGBTs and Christians.
>denial
>>5347742
I didn't mean all LGBTs and all Christians anon.
>>5347750
>I didn't mean all LGBTs and all Christians
Me neither.
Joining an accepting church is hpocritical since they don't exist.
Homosexuality and christianity are mutually exclusive.
If you're gay you do not inherit the Kingdom of God, and no amount of praying or asking for forgiveness will change that.
>>5347542
Faith isn't a choice, I didn't look up a kind of menu to see what religion was trendy nowadays.
>>5347737
To be honest, I'm exagerating a bit, I'm fairy accepted by both. The predominantly Catholic neighborhood is fine with me as long as I don't openly talk or show it and my homosexual friends don't see any problems. The most “bigot” people I know are here on 4chan.
>>5347761
This isn't true. The current Catholic doctrine prones acceptance and equality towards homosexuality and only condemns the homosexual act. Aren't you embarrassed to speak about what you don't know?
>>5337652
Modern politics and lgbt acceptance of Isam in the west
>>5347761
>Joining an accepting church is hpocritical since they don't exist.
As an atheist I don't care about believers mental gymnastics so long as they believe benign things, and the U.U. church exists. It is possibly the hug boxiest of all hug boxy churches too.
>Homosexuality and christianity are mutually exclusive.
If you don't cherry pick the bible, or you're an inerrantist, sure.
>If you're gay you do not inherit the Kingdom of God, and no amount of praying or asking for forgiveness will change that.
The word Universalist means universal salvation. Everybody from Hitler to homosexuals goes to heaven, according to them.
>>5347761
lmao what
this is only true if you believe it - but you probably aren't even theistic saying shit like that
I can say that anyone who does anything that contributes to the destruction of the Earth (which the gods created) will not inherit the kingdom of the gods, for practices that disrespect them. I don't think it's wrong to say that reckless self-indulgence (ownership of a personal vehicle or the consumption of meat) is sinful. But Christians aren't teaching that in Church.
>>5347784
>Faith isn't a choice
It is. You have the choice to leave at any time you want.
>This isn't true.
IT IS. The bible is 100% clear on that subject.
The word of God is unchanging.
>The current Catholic doctrine prones acceptance and equality towards homosexuality and only condemns the homosexual act.
Oh yeah the same church that condemned homosexuals a mere few years ago and still calls gays abominations is suddenly free of blame because they repented and changed their views a tiny little bit.
I'm sorry that I no longer have hope in the Christian faith and their atrocities throughout their existence.
But that's what happens when someone has done nothing but disappoint me.
>>5347799
>I don't care about believers mental gymnastics so long as they believe benign things, and the U.U. church exists.
Well I do.
>The word Universalist means universal salvation. Everybody from Hitler to homosexuals goes to heaven, according to them.
And I don't believe a single word of that.
>>5347819
>I can say that anyone who does anything that contributes to the destruction of the Earth (which the gods created) will not inherit the kingdom of the gods, for practices that disrespect them
Well God clearly said gays don't go to heaven, same as Jesus, Paul, and everyone else with the authority to speak in God's name.
Sure you can just casually ignore them if you want, but are you truly christian then?
No you can't.
>>5347849
Right but you are implying that Christians are strict austere puritans who follow all rules of their religion. As Jesus said, let he who is without sin cast the first stone. I am not "ignoring" their words, but I am living my life. I cannot control the actions of the gods and what they decide for me. Why worry about what happens in the afterlife when I am not dead yet? I will instead just try and do well by myself and others...
>>5347784
>The predominantly Catholic neighborhood is fine with me
After I got outed my local parish, the CCD, and especially the Knights of Columbus, were shits about me being gay. Although this was during the prop 8 days, so I don't know if they've made any meaningful changes to their attitudes.
Nowadays I have a handful of catholic LGBT friendly folks in my life, although for the most part the LGBT friendly Catholics are kinda apostates in that they haven't taken communion for a while now, have open issues with various church positions, but still identify as catholic.
>as long as I don't openly talk or show it
I find the idea of hiding a boyfriend as if I'm ashamed of him revolting now, so I don't think I'd ever give Catholics like that another chance. Also this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6PPk2NOQXs
>homosexual friends don't see any problems.
Ditto. If anything they've been the christian friendly folks that got me over much of my own angsty atheism.
>The most “bigot” people I know are here on 4chan.
Yup.
>>5336638
only batshit leftists. I recognize that there are lgbt-friendly muslims, but I am rightfully apprehensive about the rest.
>>5347825
It doesn't work like that, chap.
>>5347881
I'm not Catholic, albeit I highly value its cultural and spiritual significance. The church I frequent is quite tolerant and hasn't any objection chiefly because I have no reason to have my homosexuality to interfer during the offices. I consider my faith more private and too specific to fall in a category, partly because of the current doctrine regarding homosexuality. Being either sinful or abstinent is an unbearable choice for a genuine homosexual believer and I doubt having such a vow “forced down” on someone is in any way in accordance with the scriptures. In my opinion, there's still a lot of work to do.
>I find the idea of hiding a boyfriend as if I'm ashamed of him revolting now, so I don't think I'd ever give Catholics like that another chance
That isn't exactly what I meant, I was referring to show it off, for example holding hands in public or engaging in feminine gender activities and it never bothered me because I already considered the demonstration of happiness as something quite private, whatever the sexual orientation and the religion. I don't hide my partner—he is even slowly accepted as a nebulous “male friend”—but I don't think kissing him in front of the church is somehow wise or respectful. I don't use YouTube, by the way.
What do Buddhism Hinduism and Shintosim say about homosexuality?
Anyway I always laugh at people who consider themselves Christian/Muslim/Jewish and yet practice an LGBT lifestyle (meaning engaging in sex and relationships). Idk how your brain handles the double think necessary to do that since those religions are pretty clear on what happens to you if you're a homo.
Then again people always cherry pick things from religions so idk.
>>5348049
Buddhism is quite negative but is so about everything though. They do have the Dalai Lama being a cunt to gays.
Both hinduism and Shintoism are essentially very diverse, since they have always been very fractured religions. Some are negative, some are positive, and that shit changes back and forth throughout history. They're not very cohesive religions so to speak.
Because most of us realize that Abrahamic religions are problematic for freedom.
>>5348049
From what I know, Japs, Koreans and non-muslim South Asians don't have much problems with gays. The attitudes are probably pretty negative, but they don't throw our kind into concentration camps.
In India on the other hand homosexuality is illegal. Might be because of the Muslims living there though.
>>5348173
in what way
>>5348024
>It doesn't work like that, chap.
Yes it fucking does. Unless you were born into some shitty Muslim family where you either believe or die, the bullshit you believe in is 100% your choice.
>>5348301
Gays have it better in America than anywhere else in the world. Sorry, but it's true.
>>5348301
LGBT have no rights in the orient. You won't be thrown off a building or anything, but there's no legal protections.
>>5348024
>It doesn't work like that, chap.
You're not chained to your religion, and the punishment for apostasy isn't death (assuming you're not a muslim)
>>5348317
Really? I'm not sure if I believe that.
I've spent a fair amount of time in the deep south, and I live in the west coast of America now. I've come to think that both Canada, Israel, and most of western Europe are far better to LGBT people than America.
>>5348024
>"private faith, chap"
I'm guessing you're not American, heh.
> Being either sinful or abstinent is an unbearable choice for a genuine homosexual believer and I doubt having such a vow “forced down” on someone is in any way in accordance with the scriptures
This.
My priest actually suggested that being gay could be god telling me to join the church and take vows. Which sounded like a horribly stupid bit of career advice for a fourteen year old that had already told him he wasn't going to undergo confirmation. Plus the church was the only group of people trying to make me feel ashamed about being gay.
Judging from recent pew studies. Christianity is going to have to figure out a way to accept LGBT people if it wants to hold onto millennials, or even survive moving forward.
>I don't hide my partner—he is even slowly accepted as a nebulous “male friend”—but I don't think kissing him in front of the church is somehow wise or respectful.
Whatever makes you and yours comfortable, and to a certain extent I can appreciate the desire to not offend people. I guess I'm just hypersensitive to people getting offended at my innocuous PDAs (e.g. holding hands) that is otherwise ignored, or even celebrated, when a straight couple does the same exact thing.
> I don't use YouTube, by the way.
You're not missing anything. It's a few minutes of Catholics having a pious pity party for themselves on the topic of how oppressed they are for believing "marriage is between a man and a woman." The video is filmed in a style that intentionally or unintentionally mocks coming out videos. That viral video a few months ago is a pretty good representation of the Christian attitudes I can't stand.
>>5348317
>The Midwest is the best place in the world to be gay
>>5336538
It's typically the other way around. I've never heard of a Christian kid being kicked out of a gay-headed household, or gays committing genocide against Christians, or sending representatives to poverty-stricken countries in order to sow anti-Christian sentiment and get Christians jailed and killed for loving one another. It's not just Christianity, though. It's all Abrahamic religion. That shit is a cancer.
And then when gay people have the *audacity* to speak up about any of this ridiculous nonsense, they're "oppressors" of the most popular religious faiths on the planet.
Because this is still a thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pLobWHDdVw
>>5348317
I would think that would be the UK or Sweden.
Well, until the Muslim population supplants the native one and Sharia Law is instituted. Won't be so great for us then.
Gee, you think it might have something to do with their holy book saying to kill us on sight? Which has been acted upon countless times throughout history and continent, even to this very day in the supposedly safe Western world?
Nah, that can't be it. The most powerful religion on Earth is just being prejudiced against for their own actions and claims, totally unfairly! CHRISTIANS DINDU NUFFIN
>>5338918
>People who lie and say they're not Christian when they are deserve death just as much as open Christians.
Hahaha, holy shit.
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>>5339155
What if being gay correlates with being a selfish brat, fucking older men, and 'FUCK YOU MOM AND DAD, I DO WHAT I WANT I CAN LIVE AT BRAYDONS HOUSE YOU AREN'T THE BOSS OF ME'?
>>5339456
That's some straight up malarkey. Christianity is on the decline in the West and since most therapists go to lefty colleges all the faith they ever might of had is wrung out of them.
If you don't want help with your fruitless rage then you're gonna stay angry and hate-filled.
If you're angry, you're losing. Hope you can find peace someday, somehow, anon.
>>5347825
Why don't you change your faith right now?
>>5336638
i wonder who could be behind this post
>>5350668
I've switched faith a few times.
Not faith in a god, but faith in a better future.
And it's funny how you focus on me, conveniently ignoring all those people who switch religion, leave religion alltogether or join a religion after being unbelievers all their lives.
Pretty selective, isn't it?
>believing in unverifiable, unfalsifiable feel-good nonsense
>after the age of 10
are the religious mentally challenged, or did they just never get the santa claus talk?
>>5337968
This. Christianity just likes to pretend its being persecuted and ignores the fact everyone hates the core religion they and many others based their ludicrous beliefs and ways of life off of. I would have much less problems with Christianity if it threw out all that Abrahamic stuff and just stuck to the core teachings of the New Testament.
>>5347223
It's because you're not intelligent enough to live. Yes, it's understandable that you were brainwashed into being Christian like the rest of your kind, but being lgbt is like an automatic escape hatch and gives you a natural advantage to think for yourself that most people don't have but you're throwing that away so you can fit in with the crowd.
>>5338918
>People who lie and say they're not Christian when they are deserve death
I think we can all agree on this one.
I'm gonna assume that a lot of people have had personal effects from Christian beliefs being used as a reason to be unsupportive of LGBT people. A person who had a mother say that fags will go to hell for years will probably not look so kindly at Christianity years later.
