Why would anyone NOT want to transition?
Girls
>can wear literally whatever they want, girl clothes, boy clothes, anything
>socially acceptable to wear makeup and make yourself look pretty even if you have a lot of imperfections
>oppression olympics make people too scared to question anything you do or say
>instantly get into any school for being a minority
>qt boys will love you and protect you
>can do porn and make a lot of money and live a comfortable life without needing to put in much work
>being male
>2015
gl boys, you'll need it
Because lots of people live in circumstances where they really can't get away with it (their family/friends will think they're freaks and try to stop them from transitioning) or don't have a realistic chance of passing (in which case they won't really get any of the benefits of being female).
>>5160761
While it is true that straight cis women live in a glorious world, unfortunately a male bodied person can never be a cis girl
>>5160793
That doesn't mean we can't reap the benefits if we pass.
>>5160806
Passing is a lie
>>5160761
Being female is for one sorta people, being male for another sort.
Sure you like putting on makeup, fancy clothes and a bitchy attitude, but men can go out in rags 3 sizes bigger than theirs, don't have to groom their bodies nearly as much, don't need to bother with any sorta bathroom routine, carry around brushes, lipsticks, mirrors, need not fear to get raped, are pretty unlikely to get hit on in every other situation, get taken more serious, have better friends... etc.
Don't just think up your advantages for the sake of making a post like that.
>>5160848
>need not fear to get raped
It's often said that in circumstances where women are at risk of being raped, that men are at risk of being beaten up or killed.
>can wear literally whatever they want, girl clothes, boy clothes, anything
have you ever been outside, ever? people hate gender nonconforming people. the closest thing a GNC girl ever gets to acceptance is being a tomboy, and even then it stops working after a year when people realize you're not going to "grow out of it."
>socially acceptable to wear makeup and make yourself look pretty even if you have a lot of imperfections
i need to wear makeup to get and keep a job and be treated with basic respect. "privilege," good god get your head out of your ass.
>oppression olympics make people too scared to question anything you do or say
men talk over us, interrupt us, assuming that we're lying/exaggerating and tell us things we already know on a daily basis. go outside.
>instantly get into any school for being a minority
what
>qt boys will love you and protect you
>can do porn and make a lot of money and live a comfortable life without needing to put in much work
wow i got to be treated as a sexual commodity since i was fucking twelve, what a privilege! please commit suicide immediately.
>>5160864
>have you ever been outside, ever? people hate gender nonconforming people. the closest thing a GNC girl ever gets to acceptance is being a tomboy, and even then it stops working after a year when people realize you're not going to "grow out of it."
Isn't it a lot easier for girls to pass as boys than the opposite? In any case it seems that girls have far more options in terms of clothing than guys do. I mean, girls can wear pants or dresses, guys can only wear pants.
But... even if you transition, you're still a man. It's all just pretend, like crossdressing. Everyone is humouring you but you don't really think you're an ACTUAL WOMAN do you?
>>5160894
>what is passing
>>5160910
but what if you don't pass? you are treated as another dude then
>>5160894
Do you really never get tired of posting idiotic bait shit? At least be original.
>>5160920
Sure, but it's inaccurate to say that mtfs can't enjoy the benefits of being a woman.
>>5160864
>wow i got to be treated as a sexual commodity since i was fucking twelve
That's ultimately better than being treated like you're worthless and disposable from the age of 12. Boys are told they don't matter, they are irrelevant, and that if they aren't the cream of the crop, they aren't worth anyone's time of day.
I'd rather be desired as a sexual commodity than seen as absolutely worthless. Like >>5160856 said. Women get raped, men get killed. Women need to put on makeup, men get tossed to the curb and made homeless. Homeless men need shelters because they makeup a significant majority of the homeless population? That's sexist, lets make more female shelters.
The trivial tasks a woman needs to accomplish in order to keep her worth are absolutely laughable compared to the standards men face.
Once again, I'd rather be a sexual commodity than nothing at all. But you're too ignorant to know what oppressed men go through, and I don't blame you since they've been silenced into oblivion since the dawn of society. No one cares about the suffering of men, and they never will. It's deeply engraved into us on a biological level to value women more than men. So it only makes sense to transition, even if your value is entirely artificial since you can't actually have children (tfw), it's still better than being seen as a tool that you can send off to war.
Because i'll never be a real girl. I'll never be as pretty. I'll never have a guy I love hold me. Why should I choose to live in delusion? The truth doesn't always make us smile.
I need to make peace with the fact that my chromosomes will never be altered. My body is male, not female. I might not like it, but I refuse to be something i'm not.
>>5160925
>white woman in a black man's body
keking hard m8
>>5160959
If you really want to be a girl, wouldn't it be preferable to have a body that's more like a girl, even if you can't really have a girl's body?
>>5160925
These days whenever I see someone with a lot of makeup on I can't really think that shes cute or that I want to look like her. All I can think is I wonder what she looks like without makeup.
I wonder if I could look that pretty if I used that much makeup, and if that would even be fair. It feels like cheating. How would a guy react seeing them without any makeup at all on? How would he react if he saw me without makeup if I put as much on as some of these girls do?
I mean some of them don't even have eye brows and draw them on for christ sake.
>>5160936
only the passing mtfs can
heck even bio women who look like men can't
>>5160761
Because having a penis to slap my boyfriend's face with is a plus.
>>5160921
Looks like it worked, guy man dude bloke.
>>5160925
How old are you? You mind saying if your family is nuclear or single parent?
>>5160806
>That doesn't mean we can't reap the benefits if we pass
>if we pass
There's your problem.
>>5160936
But the majority of mtfs really don't pass so it's pretty accurate desu.
>>5160938
>"i know what being raised as and living as a woman is REAAALLLLYY like! stop exaggerating!"
>"b-b-b-b-but you don't know what men go through!!! stop pretending you know what being a man is like ;=; bitch"
Flawless argument 10/10. Why don't you go jerk off in your sister's panties some more?
>>5160938
>this post
>all the butt hurt
Trip on Kayla
>>5160959
underrated post
I know that feel anon, I'd transition if the current tech wasn't so shitty. I just don't want to be a laughing stock like most trannys.
>>5160968
No because that would just be a constant reminder of what I could never really be, it's not enough to ease my dysphoria.
>>5160761
I like vaginas and translesbians are straight out of a horror movie.
>>5160864
>wow i got to be treated as a sexual commodity since i was fucking twelve, what a privilege! please commit suicide immediately.
relax we know you want a gf it is easier if you are a girl to get a girl friends- straight girls are always 'experimenting'
>>5160761
Oh please. I'm a white heterosexual-ish male. I win at life.
>>5161353
So what the fuck are you doing here? If you're 'winning' so much? Unless your life isn't absolutely totally amazing and maybe you want to get fucked hard in the boipussi.
>>5160761
>women
>minority
>>5161825
>trans women
>>5161825
Minority just means non-dominant group.
>most male outfits are judged vulgar or obscene on a female
>socially encouraged to look great, go to the gym and parade half-naked
>not in America, it doesn't exist here
>not in America, no affirmative action here, enrollment on grades only
>trannies are considered mentally-ill freaks and are often bullied and socially excluded
>porn is viewed as one of the most shameful activity, instantly bans you from the whole community and even threatens your life
BACK THE FUCK OUT
>>5160761
Girls are going to be able to work with the president of the crystals, and I plan to use the same time.
>>5161863
>most male outfits are judged vulgar or obscene on a female
Maybe, but girls can get away with wearing pants without it being seen as obscene, while a guy wearing a dress or skirt is regarded as a freak. Maybe women can't wear completely male outfits, but they have far more options than men in terms of incorporating elements of an outfit more commonly associated with the opposite gender. And I'm pretty sure the clothing I wear on a daily basis as a male would be perfectly acceptable for a woman to wear - any criticism of it would be that it's too bland, not that it's vulgar or anything.
>>5161871
President of the crystals?
>>5161906
I don't think we live in the same country but I concede it yet I doubt wearing a dress is that much of a loss.
>>5161938
I suppose wearing a dress isn't a big deal, but in most modern countries it's more acceptable for women to dress androgynous. Yes, if they start looking "too male" people might think it's weird but guys showing any amount of femininity are shamed for it.
>>5161952
Sure. It still has a lot of negative points he hasn't mentioned.
>>5160761
>"transitioning"
>>5161965
If one is a femboy and able to enjoy the advantages of being such, they've essentially already transitioned anyway.
>>5161994
This is what trannies actually believe.
>>5161965
>/lgbt/
>believing in the patriarchy
>>5162010
>/lgbt/ is composed entirely of paleoconservatives
What?
>>5161863
>most male outfits are judged vulgar or obscene on a female
Only if you live in some third world sand-nigger country. In relevant countries people don't give a shit. Whereas a man trying to dress as a woman without passing as one would likely get sucker punched in broad daylight.
>socially encouraged to look great, go to the gym and parade half-naked
You say that as if men aren't held up to standards to look great as well. You're very ignorant if you haven't recognized the rapid popularity of body building and steroid use in the last few years. Body image issues don't just involve looking skinnier, but looking stronger and bigger. And studies that take that into consideration show men suffer SIGNIFICANTLY more from body dysmorphia than women do.
>trannies are considered mentally-ill freaks and are often bullied and socially excluded
Yes, in our hyper liberalized world trannies are totally socially excluded and bullied. Not only is what you're saying not entirely true, it's not even relevant if you pass. So yes, if you're an ugly hon man in a dress, you will be bullied, but that just goes to prove my point about how men can't dress how they want or wear what they want without being threatened with death. So you only further cement my argument either way.
>porn is viewed as one of the most shameful activity, instantly bans you from the whole community and even threatens your life
Of course prostitution and porn is looked down on. But the absurd amount of money you can make if you're successful is well worth the loss of respect from people that clearly have world views much different than your own.
Porn and prostitution are only a few of many countless opportunities to use your successfully passing body to your advantage. Men will want to take care of you, you can be a housewife, etc.
>>5161965
>cannot get raped or discriminated against
>>5161965
this is some next level terf shit man
baka desu senpai
>>5160761
>Why would anyone NOT want to transition?
Because a lot of people don't want to end up as a tranny freak?
I'd love to be a girl and look pretty like the girl in op's post but I was born a boy and nothing will ever change that. You either live with it and which easier or you become a tranny hon like most mtfs and desperately try to convince yourself that being a un passing mtf freak is any better or you kill yourself.
>>5161863
>>not in America, it doesn't exist here
>>not in America, no affirmative action here, enrollment on grades only
>>5160920
>tfw pass
>tfw don't have to give a fuck anymore
Not my problem anymore
>>5162057
BDD diagnoses is roughly 50-50 between the sexes. Do your research.
>>5164554
And women are raped significantly more than men
*unless you take prison rape into consideration then suddenly men are raped far more than women, but publishing research like that and putting that into the media would make men look like victims, can't have that
Research is done and funded by people with agendas. Body dysmorphia rates are much higher in men than women, and I expect they will only rise in the coming years.
>>5160761
These are not reasons to transition. I hope nobody transitions for social benefit. Worse case scenario they could ironically end up with dysphoria about their new sex because they're supposed to be their old sex lol
>>5164584
Why wouldn't you transition for social benefit? Social validation is absolute bliss.
>I hope no one takes steroids for social benefit
>I hope no one diets for social benefit
>I hope no one suffers from sleep deprivation for years while studying their ass off in school for social benefit
Every single thing we do revolves around social validation and feeling that high we get from being accepted. If someones high comes from passing as a girl who are you to say they shouldn't do it? Would you rather someone start shooting heroin instead?
>>5164596
Uh? No? Transition because your body feels wrong and you're disgusted by it and everything about being the sex you are ruins your life. Don't transition for other people. Transition for yourself. So that you can have sex without shutting down and short-circuiting because they accidentally touched downstairs and you don't know how to cope.
>>5164596
Being trans revolves around dysphoria. Yeah, trans people change their names and social genders and stuff, but they only initially do it because being referred by their old name and old gender reminds them that they're the wrong sex. Eventually they get so caught up in making sure nothing reminds them that they forget why they're doing this in the first place, and the social aspect takes over the entire experience.
Often they forget why being misgendered makes them feel bad in the first place.
>>5160761
Women can hardly into strategic thinking. Therefore, they may be only winners in the short term. But as soon as someone with a better understanding of strategic thinking shows up, they fail.
Consider sexbots. There is yet no such thing as a robot for menial tasks with independent locomotion. There is no (NO) robot that both (BOTH) can do the dishes and take out the garbage. We are not even close.
And yet, despite this, some feminists are getting their undies in a bundle over sexbots. Because they know that when sexbots is a fact, then their cunt coins will be severely devalued. Men will not jump trough burning hoops in order to get pussy.
But getting just...angry...is not strategic thinking. If women had strategic thinking, they would realize that being insufferable bitches will only spur the development of sexbots.
>>5164696
>Because they know that when sexbots is a fact, then their cunt coins will be severely devalued. Men will not jump trough burning hoops in order to get pussy.
Eh, I doubt sex bots will change much of anything in our lifetimes. They already exist in the form of sex dolls, more or less. And decent sex dolls can cost 3-4 thousand dollars.
A fully functional robot, let alone a sex robot, will be exclusive to only the rich.
Maybe a decade or two from now they might be cheap enough for your average consumer, but even that's pushing it.
I'm all for sex bots, just don't think they'll really do all that much damage to society or a man's desire to be with a real person, even if they would affordable.
>But as soon as someone with a better understanding of strategic thinking shows up, they fail.
I don't know how this is gender exclusive. Do men win when someone with a sharper mind bests them? No, they fail as well.
>>5160761
Cool goggles, mind lending me 'em some day?
>>5160938
This person is telling it like it is. Being a sexual commodity is great compared to being sexual nothing.
>>5164696
>And yet, despite this, some feminists are getting their undies in a bundle over sexbots. Because they know that when sexbots is a fact, then their cunt coins will be severely devalued. Men will not jump trough burning hoops in order to get pussy.
Literally 99.9% of talk I've heard about sexbots is /r9k/ circlejerking about how they'll make women obsolete and bring about the end of feminism. It's not really that big a topic for feminists themselves.
>But getting just...angry...is not strategic thinking. If women had strategic thinking, they would realize that being insufferable bitches will only spur the development of sexbots.
You do realize men get angry too, right? I've seen men get angry far more often than women. Some of them literally think throwing heavy objects as family members is an appropriate response to having a bad day.
No real man wants to be a girl. No one wants to be a neurotic, selfish, materialistic fuck-ee.
Another thing is nevermind just being a regular woman and all their bullshit, imagine being a man with all the mental problems of a bitch and no pussy? That's hilarious.
Can't link post because mobile quick reply is broken, but as someone that struggles with dysmorphia it's pretty fucking offensive that you pretend you're SO concerned for us poor sick people and then immediately turn around and shit all over the things meant to help us the second it inconveniences your muh misandry pity party. Do tell, what groundbreaking evidence do you have of a nonsensical anti-male conspiracy that trumps cited papers and books written by actual professionals?
You don't give a shit about the mentally ill, cut out the fake compassion and stop using us as props.
>>5165327
Uh, did you mean to reply to someone?
>>5165254
>not getting laid is so much worse than being dehumanized the second you hit puberty ::((((( having a penis is so hard feel sorry for me
>>5165338
Not getting laid is dehumanizing. You literally feel like an alien, an outcast or a nothing, like you're not connected to reality anymore. Being lusted after for your body might be degrading and annoying at times but at least you feel valuable somehow. It's much better than the alternative. Trust me, I have experienced both.
That's not to say that either is good. But men definitely have it worse.
>>5165388
wow you're a fucking slut
wanna becum my sub cockslave? ;3
>>5160921
But he is right
You can't change your sex. It's literally impossible. Trannys are playing pretensies and sadly the PC crowd is humoring them rather than give them the therapy and medication they so desperately need
>>5165388
It's considered perfectly acceptable for me to be lied to and manipulated for sex, "ladies nights" exist to get people like me drunk enough to fuck, advertising is full of disembodied female parts, there's a fraction of well-written women characters to relate to compared to men, almost every man has a porn generated kink all about treating me like shit, I have to spend more time and money on clothes and beauty products to be treated with an ounce of respect (unless its too much, then I'm a vain and shallow skank), and if I'm ever raped people will be more concerned with what I was wearing than who did it, but I can get laid easier! What a privilege!
>>5160959
Holy crap, a person who suffers from gender dysphoria yet it intelligent and sane
That's a first
Good on you anon
>>5162030
>implying my country up until recently didn't have a female president
>implying our chief of police for 20 years wasn't female
>implying females don't earn more as recent graduates than males in the same job
>implying that men aren't almost exclusively doing dangerous jobs
>implying the having a vagina doesn't mean you'll get preferential treatment everywhere
Fuck off back to tumblr with your gender studies shit
>>5165421
Therapy and medication really doesn't help except for very mild gender dysphoria. It makes sense to say trans women aren't exactly the same as cis women, but transitioning is still generally the best option.
>>5165456
When around 50% or more of leadership positions (in government, business etc) are held by females, then I'll concede that it's not a patriarchy anymore.
>>5165463
No, it's really not
A recent norwegian study on the long term effects of sexual reassignment surgery shows the suicide rates are equal between transitioned and non transitioned which goes directly against that claim
It's not a coincidence that Johns Hopkins has stopped doing the surgery. It doesn't help
>>5165474
>moving the goal posts
Prove there is a patriarchy. You're the one making the claim, the burden of proof falls on you
>>5165482
>A recent norwegian study on the long term effects of sexual reassignment surgery shows the suicide rates are equal between transitioned and non transitioned which goes directly against that claim
>It's not a coincidence that Johns Hopkins has stopped doing the surgery. It doesn't help
I believe you're referring to the Swedish (not Norwegian) study which McHugh (the Johns Hopkins guy) misinterpreted, as you are doing now. What it claims is that post-op suicide rates are higher than CIS people, and that's only for those who received the operation before 1989. It doesn't compare post-op to pre-op at all, so it's useless for measuring the effectiveness of SRS. And I will concede that maybe SRS doesn't help, there doesn't seem to be much substantial research on it. But HRT which is more commonly what is meant by "transition" (not all trans people get SRS, especially FtMs) does help a great deal. The Swedish study says nothing about HRT.
>Prove there is a patriarchy. You're the one making the claim, the burden of proof falls on you
Males are the dominant gender in society, that's what patriarchy means. The majority of leadership positions are held by men; women are often expected to take their husband's name while the opposite is virtually unheard of.
>>5165403
No.
See, this person's message was annoying but it still made me a little happy to hear it. I am not dehumanized.
>>5165429
That sounds pretty terrible anon. But it sounds more like a problem of finding the right guy, and moreover the right group of friends to hang out with. Men also have the problem of finding the right girl, the difference is that when a woman finds the right guy he's going to be very likely to return her feelings because SHE is the valuable one. Conversely when a guy finds the right woman the chances of her returning his feelings are slim.
It takes very little effort for women to get men to be sexually interested in them, but the opposite isn't true at all. As for being respected without makeup on, there are plenty of people who will respect you for who you are, you just have to find them.
>>5160761
>Why would anyone NOT want to transition?
The cock is stronger than anything being a girl can offer.
>>5165598
cook is weak and destined to become a neo-clit desu senpai
>>5165606
Cock can bend metal.
Girl needs men to bend metal for her.
Cock leads the way.
Girl needs men to lead the way.
Cock strong and fierce.
Girl needs men that are strong and fierce.
Cock can penetrate deep into enemy territory.
Girl need fake cock to penetrate.
Everyone loves cock.
Not everyone loves girl.
>>5165626
>Not everyone loves girl.
False.
>>5165651
It's true.
Girls are icky and nasty.
Like their sticky slimy gaping hole.
Yuck.
Cock fierce and strong.
Cock impress people.
Cock stands up proud and dominant.
Without cock you cannot dominate.
Cock breaks will.
You cannot resist the cock.
>>5165664
>continues to post weird sissyfication poems despite being proven wrong
>>5165681
I haven't been proven wrong.
Everyone loves cock.
Straight women love cock.
Straight men love their own cock.
Gay men love cock.
Lesbians enjoy fake cocks.
Straight women and gay men don't like girls.
Like seriously your penis envy evolved into cognitive dissonance.
You should see a psychiatrist.
>>5165704
>I haven't been proven wrong.
I like my penis and testosterone levels.
>>5160761
>can wear literally whatever they want, girl clothes, boy clothes, anything
What I want to wear is male clothing
>socially acceptable to wear makeup and make yourself look pretty even if you have a lot of imperfections
Makeup is gross. I don't want to look "pretty."
>oppression olympics make people too scared to question anything you do or say
I don't want people to walk on eggshells around me.
>instantly get into any school for being a minority
Affirmative action does not work that way. I'd also rather succeed on my own merit.
>qt boys will love you and protect you
Most won't date transsexuals.
>can do porn and make a lot of money and live a comfortable life without needing to put in much work
I'm asexual so that's rather unappealing. Seems pretty incompatible with your last point as well. I don't think most men want a girlfriend/wife whose career is having sex with other men.
>>5166016
Way to totally miss the point of their post and make a whiny blog reply that has *nothing* to do with what they said.
Also
>being "asexual" on a board solely focused on sex
Have you ever thought about not being an attention-grabbing retard?
>>5166070
>being "asexual" on a board solely focused on sex
That simply isn't true. You're ignoring the apparent majority of transgender people, not to mention that /lgbt/ is really defined more by being "different" than by having sex.
And making a big deal about someone casually mentioning that they're asexual is basically attention whoring itself.
>>5166085
So your answer to my question is "no"?
>>5166070
OP asked a question.
>Why would anyone NOT want to transition?
I answered with why I wouldn't want to transition. How exactly am I missing the point?
>being "asexual" on a board solely focused on sex
The LGBT community is solely about sex? Seems like a pretty ignorant if not outright offensive statement desu senpai.
>>5166108
>Seriously, who do you think you are
Lol
>>5166125
>posts 10 seconds apart
>samefag
Someone's some kind of fag here.
>>5166125
>samefag
You're the one that's derailing the thread by getting triggered that someone is asexual.
>>5166141
This is why people hate "asexuals", by the way. This exact kind of behavior.
>>5166172
What? Providing evidence that we're not samefagging?
>>5166172
For me I dont "hate asexuals" as people I hate the use of the label "asexual" to describe people. learn biology. Asexual is not a sexuality or sexual orientation, is a type of reproduction. Asexual reproduction is the ability to reproduce without a mate, Humans dont do that so it bothers me that people use that term to describe themselves or others.
People use the term Asexual when the should be using the term Nonsexual
>can't aim their pee stream
