When and how did you first realize you identified with the opposite sex? What separates you from cis-gendered people of your biological sex?
>>5237431
When I was 13 and it was the start of my 8th grade year. I was starting actually hit the full front of puberty and that caused huge discomfort that I wasn't really aware of what it was. And for whatever reason whenever me and my friends would talk about hypothetical end game scenarios (we were kids), I'd always end up saying myself as a woman. Few years down the line comes me being 15 and I find out what all this is and I just go into the most depressed year of my life.22 now and finally decided to transition 7months ago.
I've never more right of a decision in my life.
And what always separated me from my biological sex was the fact that most of my expression/mannerisms didn't exactly fit into men or gay man typical movements. Like I feel like I am just trying to affirm myself. But as far as I've been told from those who know (Please hope it's not a hugbox) is that I typically move around and express mannerisms as if a cis woman.
A lot of people either questioned me for either gay/trans due to the fact of how I expressed myself. I looked like one of the most repressed people without having a beard ontop of all of it.
>>5237431
I thought my legs looked better in skinny jeans and yeah that's pretty much it
>>5237461
>hypothetical end game scenarios (we were kids), I'd always end up saying myself as a woman
Can you clarify this bit? I've no idea what you're on about.
>>5237431
I wanted to have long hair, and wear dresses, like my sister got to do, and got jealous when people complimented her on it, but not me. That's from practically before I can remember, I just have vague memories of a couple of instances.
At around age of 5-6 I day dreamed a lot about being a girl, and how great it'd be.
I also thought all boys wanted to be girls, but like me, they all had to hide it.
Started wanting to lose weight to keep myself from becoming a man at this age, or maybe a bit earlier. I was already very skinny, but wanted to become skinnier, and lack more nutrition (I avoided nutritious food).
Between like ages 9-12, I used to think about how unlucky I was to be trans, and that all these girls got to be girls, and I was so sad and jealous over it.
It was at about 11 that I figured out that boys actually want to be boys.
13+ was just the general jealousy and sadness over not being a girl, and how unlucky I was since it's like such a high chance to get to be a girl, as well as complete hopelessness of any future, the only thing I could see my future would be was a suicide when I became an adult and could make that decision for myself.
I thought a lot about when I would get to kill myself, like thinking "in 6 years, maybe I'll be on this bus for the last time". Even thought about how it'd be nice if the world ended at 2012, since that maya habbening hype was going on.
> What separates you from cis-gendered people of your biological sex?
Obviously the part of wanting to be a girl.
It really first "clicked" or whatever when I was like 8.
In retrospect I guess there are a few signs I can remember before that, but I honestly don't remember a ton from before that aside from some good memories like meeting my best friend and some Christmases and stuff.
I was able to keep it at bay and not think about it too much until puberty kicked in though.
>>5237535
What do you want me to clarify?
>>5237555
What are the hypothetical end games you were talking about, and how did you refer to yourself as a woman.
>>5237535
It's hard to explain, but I'll try my best based on memory. I think I had always had these thoughts, behaviors, etc. but just kind of noticed them. Something like that. Maybe it was a realization that while others probably had curiosities about what it would be like to be the opposite sex, that mine wasn't just a curiosity and my feelings probably weren't common given how deep they ran and I hadn't heard any of my peers ever blurt out that they were even curious about what being the opposite was like.
So maybe it was more or less a realization of how deep my thoughts and feelings were and that I was "different" or whatever.
That's probably the best way to put it.
When puberty kicked in for myself and those around me it got worse, given that I felt like I should be developing like other girls. Phantom feelings of having breasts, my waist and hips being shaped differently, etc. didn't and still don't help me not feel that way, obvs
>>5237557
Well I never told people openly but like whenever we would imagine up scenarios of like us travelling or doing in years time. And in most of those scenarios. I just envisioned myself as a woman. I don't exactly know how else to word it? Specific and vivid scenarios? That won't exactly clarify the answer.
>>5237431
when i was like 7 i peed standing up and told my younger sister to start calling me brother. i dressed masculine towards the end of elementary but stopped in middle school because i got made fun of. forced myself to wear girly clothes but it made me uncomfortable for a reason i didnt know (i now realize it was because the clothes made people regard me as female). started dressing how i wanted, cut my hair, and started going by a gender neutral variation of my girly name in high school which made me feel better because i started first feeling dysphoria around that time. came out a couple years ago but was largely ignored and my family just regards me as a bulldyke. i dont even like girls :(
as for the second question, i guess im not really sure what differentiates me from cis girls.
I was probably 11-12 when I realized I identified as female. Before then, growing up with two older sisters, I just did what they did... played with dolls, fooled around with make-up (lots of laughs), even played mommy and daddy with my sister, her being the dad and I was the mom.
It was all innocent play. Didn't "think" I was female or wanted to be female until my parents started pointing out that my behavior wasn't "boy" behavior and to get the hell out of the house and throw a football around.
At that point I consciously realized I wanted to be a girl and started pushing the limits, such as dressing in my sisters' clothes whenever I could. It got to a point that as soon as I was 18 I moved out of the house so I could express more femininity than masculinity.
Wanted to be a girl when I was like ten or eleven. Started being ashamed of it when I was around thirteen. Spent most of middle and high school hating my body and covering it up with baggy sweatshirts, being jealous of cis girls and hating masculinity in general. Never really stopped wanting to be a girl (started crying in class a few times cause of it) at any point but I never identified as trans because it didn't occur to me as something that was really feasible. When I was 19 I learned more about HRT and transitioning and realized it was something I could actually do. Imagining myself as an adult woman was the first time I had ever felt optimistic about my future, started identifying as trans and got on HRT at 21.
I never really had any issues during childhood. I hung out with a lot of girls and had a pretty androgynous childhood so I guess there was never anything to bother me much until my body started changing
>>5241631
normal girls do those things and then grow out of it
meanwhile trannies spend their whole childhood wishing they could do those things, so they don't know how mundane they are
how is that not intuitive? like how is that not the first thing that jumps into your mind? i don't get it.
>>5241631
For me, I just really needed the social aspects of being a girl. When I was like 5-12 I basically was one of the girls at school, especially socially. There is an entirely different dynamic to that then the one that boys tend to have, and it was just where I fit in. Until puberty made things weird and the girls distanced themself from me and made me go introverted.
This isn't all bad though, as I basically avoided any period of social interaction as a guy, so my transition went super smooth socially. Once I opened up and talked to people, it was incredibly obvious to them I was a girl.
So I guess you could say, I never wished I was a girl so much as I always knew I was, and there was just a period of time where how I knew myself and how I was being treated didn't match up, and I am now fixing that. It was never about doing anything that girls do in particular, but rather the psychological and social aspects that I felt the biggest attachment to.
>>5241631
This is exactly why old school feminists openly hate tgirls.
It's a ideological contradiction. Either there are female brains hardwired to want to do female things or core feminist concepts about gender are wrong. I appreciate the new feminists trying to tap down that hate and cope w/ the cognitive dissonance, but the contradiction remains.
Annnnd tgirls don't push a world view that defies reason and known science like feminist dogma sooo yeeeeah trannies like to wear dresses.
>>5241783
>normal girls do those things and then grow out of it
A lot of girls don't do it at all. Isn't little girls hating skirts and dresses a pretty common thing?
>>5241958
>tgirls don't push a world view that defies reason and known science
You can't be fucking serious.
>>5241962
All my cousins were super girly and did ballet and shit
>>5241992
Your point?
>>5237431
I figured out something like me could exist when I found the word by accident in a dictionary at 12. I have little to no memories before I was 10 but my grandmother keeps telling these "we should have known earlier" stories so idk.
>>5241998
My point is that a lot of girls also have very traditionally feminine childhoods
>>5242150
And?
>>5242159
It makes sense that trannies would be jealous of that?
>>5242172
How is that relevant?
>>5241631
Anon
I'm not into any girly shit
I just feel like my body itself is fundamentally /wrong/.
I don't have any desire to do feminine things really, since I was never stopped from doing those things. Sure, I enjoy sewing and cooking but I also still enjoy rock climbing, airsoft, car repair, and other "manly" things. I just also like female stuff.
My main issue again, is my body. Gender roles? Fuck 'em, not really part of it. I feel gross because my hips aren't as wide as I want them and my shoulders are wider than they should be and because I'm taller than I want to be and I don't have boobs. At least, that's how I felt when I was younger, through HRT I've become a lot more comfortable with my body because it's fixed a few of those issues and it's continuing to do it.
Food for thought.
>>5242225
And I'm asking how the fuck is that relevant you chuklefuck?
>>5237431
Saw a transition timeline of a successful MtF when I was 21. Prior to this, I have no recollection of thinking, "Was I born in the wrong body?" So, that makes it hard for me to decide whether my feelings are not real or not, because it doesn't seem natural.
>>5242403
You wouldn't be thinking that you were born in the wrong body if you were cis
Cis dudes don't ever want to be women, they are happy being men.
>>5242446
Anybody can convince themselves they are living in the wrong body if they choose to.
Why they choose to do that is the question. My question to myself that I haven't figured out.
>>5242278
>chucklefuck
This is like my favorite word lol.
>>5242470
But did you convince yourself?
Did you really sit down and think "damn, I really wish that I didn't like my body"?
I'm not saying you should transition or you shouldn't, but you're at the least not cis. I don't believe in genderqueer or any of that bullshit, but I do believe that you can be various degrees of trans- for some people it's ignorable, for others it's life-ending dysphoria.
I hope you find your right answer. Consider seeing a gender therapist, they're there to help.
>>5242446
So being a tranny is *wanting* to be a woman, now? Fucking hell, I really did want to give you guys the benefit of the doubt.
>>5242498
It's not about wanting to be a woman, it's about feeling like you were meant to be one, like your body is wrong. It's not a want, a want would be a lot less strong form of what it is- but cis men don't even /want/ to be women ever, at least not permanently
>>5242491
It's really a question to me of whether this is a NEED or a WANT. Special snowflake, AGP, transvestite, all that. I can confidently say being the opposite gender would improve my life but I don't know if I would kill myself over the matter.
I'll figure it out with the therapist. I already made the appointment, I'm just waiting for a call back to be given a date/time.
>>5241991
The antique that is Feminist gender theory only continues exists by denying everything from modern genetics thru neuroscience, medicine and evolutionary psychology. You can say that transsexualism is a birth defect, but it is then organic condition and not a dusty old philosophy in opposition to the hard sciences. (The shit feminists say about transfolk doesn't count of course.)
>>5242514
You and I are actually in the exact same boat. I ended up figuring out that the only reason I was able to live as a male and not want to kill myself was because my youth let me be super feminine in my appearance- I wasn't /happy/ being a twink, but I didn't want to kill myself. I quickly realized that once I hit that second masculinization/puberty stage at like age 30 I'd off myself so I pulled the trigger on HRT
Good decision with the therapist. They'll help guide you to your best option.
>>5242519
>tfw biology is not a hard science
>>5242513
>but cis men don't even /want/ to be women ever, at least not permanently
If it's not "wanting" to be a woman why did you bring this up in the first place?
>>5242519
You're full of shit and you know it. The general consensus in the scientific community says that the percentage of population with gender dysphoria is fucking tiny, and much less than the number of self-proclaimed trans.
>The antique that is Feminist gender theory only continues exists by denying everything from modern genetics thru neuroscience, medicine and evolutionary psychology
I've no idea what in Feminism and Science you're alluding to.
>>5242560
>and much less than the number of self-proclaimed trans.
[citation needed]
>>5242569
>[citation needed]
>The antique that is Feminist gender theory only continues exists by denying everything from modern genetics thru neuroscience, medicine and evolutionary psychology.
[citation needed]
You first.
>>5242525
When I was speaking with the lady at the clinic who scheduled my appointment with the therapist, when she was "screening" me and asked if I've considered suicide, I told her sternly "Not yet."
It's the fear of the unknown that concerns me. I considered transition three years ago and I'm still considering it now. Clearly, these thoughts are never going to leave my mind. What am I supposed to do? Transition, of course, seems to be the only option.
>>5242560
Because a want is a much smaller form of a need, and I was saying that cis people don't even experience this smaller, less significant form, let alone full blown dysphoria
>>5242560
> The general consensus in the scientific community says that the percentage of population with gender dysphoria is fucking tiny, and much less than the number of self-proclaimed trans.
Consider the fact that
A. these numbers may be under-reported because the scientific community still does not quite understand WHY transgenderism arises, and thus we can't exactly take a sample of a population because there isn't a gene or something to analyze, and people in the past repressed it a lot more than they do today
B. these people appear to be over-represented because due to the advent of the internet, they are able to communicate and gather even though they are an extremely tiny percentage of the population
>>5242591
>B. these people appear to be over-represented because due to the advent of the internet, they are able to communicate and gather even though they are an extremely tiny percentage of the population
/lgbt/ honestly might be the largest online gathering of young trans people
>>5242589
Transitioning is certainly an option. For me, it was a good and valid one.
Don't let fear control your life. If you end up going on hormones, just bank your sperm first. Absolute worst case scenario is you end up regretting your transition, look more feminine, and will have boobs that you'll have to surgically remove... but everything will work properly, and you can go back to being a dude if you for some reason go "wait what the fuck was I doing".... although given the fact that you're seriously considering transitioning that's very unlikely
>>5242599
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>>5242591
Well, there's also that aside from the actually very small number of tumblerite snowflakes, I'd say binary trans are actually the majority by far based on actually talking academics with my therapist outside office hours and reading up on this shit.
>>5242585
I'm not this person.
For one I realize that evopsych is largely a laughingstock field that nerds cling to because they think the mild academic accolades one evopsych researcher sometimes gets is the same as widespread recognition, and that medicine isn't even a research field, it's applied biology.
When I was a kid I was pretty much androgynous, I was chubby with long hair that I bleached blonde sometimes. When I entered puberty I gained a lot of weight and had nice big "man-boobs" and a fat feminine figure while my friends were growing into healthy young men. I tried to compensate by lifting weights and playing football but that only exacerbated my self-loathing and disgust with my body. I immediately knew something was different when I discovered gay porn and trap/trans threads on imageboards. I remember like reading bailey jay's blog and shit when I was about 13 years old but it didn't really register that I was trans at the time. I was an extremely insecure fat kid and thought I wasn't worthy of being an attractive girl, I didn't think that the option would ever be available to me.
Clothing in general has been a major source of discomfort for me. Everything I wore looked wrong and felt irritating in some way. I hated the way my shirts clung to every contour of my fat fucking gut, etc. I was disgusted with my amorphous blob silhouette, my neckbeard facial hair, etc.
always jealous of and intimidated by girls
I never had the sexual appetite of a teenage boy either(still KV), never pursued a relationship with a girl, peers thought I was gay and I was even open about being attracted to other guys when people asked me about it.
When I think about what it might be like to be in a relationship I imagine myself as the "girlfriend"
I cannot imagine myself having conventional hetero sex with a girl.
When I imagine myself in the future and I see an aging male, I panic.
>>5242544
>That feel when pedantically sidestepping adds nothing to discussion
>>5242560
And I want to debate with you, but I truly don't understand what your point is. I'm sure self-proclaimed numbers are often higher than whatever official numbers are in your scientific community. I absolutely don't consider any congenital condition as moral or political. Good or bad.
Being a person in general consensus with the scientific community you may not be aware of feminist gender theory. That is what I explicitly stated. Please look it up before continuing.
>>5237461
22, huh?
I'm glad that you've found your true self now, but I have a question.
How late do you reckon is 'too late' to transition? I mean, I don't wanna be no Kaitlyn Jenner, y'now? This question goes out to all trans/queerfolk out there.
I'm personally 'genderqueer' or I guess you could say 'gender-curious'; I don't feel comfortable in my own skin but on the other hand I don't know if I'd feel any more comfortable on the other side of the river.
>>5243120
25-30 is generally a good cut off period. that's when the male body will come to full development. obviously the longer you leave it the harder it becomes.
>>5243120
>I'm personally 'genderqueer' or I guess you could say 'gender-curious'; I don't feel comfortable in my own skin but on the other hand I don't know if I'd feel any more comfortable on the other side of the river.
this is actually something i think about A LOT when it comes to gender. how much of it is biological and how much of it is conditioned, how much of it is a result of the times, ya know? because as the years go by, i do seem to see more and more people discussing and participating in transgenderism. is this because we're simply more open to the idea, or has today's society conditioned the desire the be the other gender? i mean, shit, i've love to be a woman, i'd fucking love it. but only because of how women are portrayed in today's society, ya know?
I feel like an idiot, but I realize around 19, and notice that my first steps were back when I was 17 and 18.
Before that I never was feminine.
at 19 i got really skinny and started little by little wearing more skinny and feminine clothes because i felt better in those clothes, also i always browsed girls clothes but never crossdressed until i was 22.
now im 23 and still living as a guy
the fact that i prefer girls over guys makes me feel more insecure about this.
>>5243178
It's not considered cool anymore, but you can just be a cross-dresser. Basically the feminists invented this cool new term genderqueer/fluid and it covers fucking everything (accept being trans) so you can go with that. A lot of genderqueer folk are crossdressers or drags'. You belong somewhere :)
>>5243178
i forgot to answer the questions
>When and how did you first realize you identified with the opposite sex?
I dont identify as a girl, im a fucking guy who wants to be a girl, that doesnt mean i was meant to be a woman, im not retarded.
>What separates you from cis-gendered people of your biological sex?
i dress like a faggot with tight/girly clothes.
other than that, not much, i talk about girls, i swear a lot, i play videogames with my homies.
I have always wondered what people think of me, im pretty sure when they see me they think im an annoying faggot (my country is very homophobic), but when people get to know me they probably realize im more of an asshole than a faggot.
>>5243178
this is what i mean by social conditioning. in a world without skinny jeans and frilly knickers, would you still feel that way? probably not. it sounds like you just like the clothing, not the lifestyle. which is fair enough. the ladies do get some very cool clothes to choose from.
>>5243205
thanks senpai
But i would like to physically look like a girl, and be able to dress good, because guys clothes sucks. Also I hate having a beard and hair in my body, and my "manly" face, if I could I would get a rhinoplasty, a Facial feminization surgery, whiten my skin and fix my eyebrows.
at least i dont feel bad about my dick, otherwise that would be really awful and expensive.
I remember I used to crossdress sometimes and try to wear my normal clothes in a girly way (mostly jackets, with skirts).
>>5243220
i mean, sometimes i do just want to dress up. but i don't, because, as a man, i'm going to get shit for it. i'm going to get shit for it at home, on the street and at work. but women... women have an amazing ability to be able to wear the most outlandish outfit and get away with it. of that, i am immensely jealous.
I had always had small little hints in my life I was supposed to be a girl. I was jealous of my little sister's dollhouse, I used to read female-intended books, and one of the big things was reading the Animorphs. I loved the idea of being able to not be yourself for a while, and I guess I've just loved the idea of not being a boy anymore.
In school I was kinda forced to hang with boys cause puberty but in late middle/high school I usually hung out with girls. I also had a "girlfriend" in 3rd-5th grade, but honestly we never kissed, just hung out, and were more like best friends than anything. I got sad when I couldn't go to her birthday slumber party :/
Then there's the fact that since I was about 12ish I would daydream about waking up the next day as a woman. It would be great and even if I had to never see my family again I'd do it. I also started using girl characters in games whenever I could and would pose as a girl online.
So yea all the warning signs were there, but I honestly didn't know I could actually transition and HRT was a thing until this year at age 24. So much wasted time...but I'm on HRT now and trying my hardest to work with what I have.
What sets me apart from cis people is definitely a feeling of insecurity towards gender roles and normal everyday gendered things. Getting "sir'd" or "ma'am'd" has a completely different meaning for trans folks, either getting misgendered and feeling like shit or getting correctly gendered and feeling amazing from it. I personally differ from cis ppl cause cis ppl don't wish they could change genders lol
>>5243254
>cis ppl don't wish they could change genders lol
i sure fucking do.
>>5243260
then you may not be cis
>>5243265
no, you're right, i'm not cis. i'm fucking human. end of discussion.
>>5241631
No. I like feminine things but also want to work on cars and shit.
Like anyone else, us transfgts have our own individual preferences/leanings towards "masculine" and "feminine" things. lol
>>5237431
>be me
>do what I do naturally
>be called she etc.
>happy with it
>always felt like a girl
>>5241631
Anon, you're stupid.
Am >>5237518
There's not much bodily recognition at ages 2-4, how you generally figure out which sex you are at that age is based on social limitations. You'll notice that only girls are allowed to do this and that, while only boys are allowed to do other things, as well how you're allowed to dress.
Even as a child you'll notice that women have long hair, and wear pretty things. Since you identify to grow up like that, you'll want to have long hair and wear dresses.
When it comes to toys it's the same thing, the ones you identify with play with certain toys, so you want to play with them too.
As another anon said.
How is this not the first thing that comes into your mind?
>>5243372
>>naturally
I'm sorry, do you ovulate and have periods?
>>5243378
Okay...let me explain:
Socialize how I want
Wear what I want
Talk how I do
Etc.
Fucktard
>>5243425
Then you're just an effeminate man. I doubt more than a couple of people ever said you were like a woman. You just amplified those voice because they're what you wanted to hear.
>>5243425
>Wear what I want
Yeah, people were probably too scared to offend you. Trannies are known for being pretty violent.
>>5243436
Nope. Fairly constant. Sorry. Plus the whole being happier as a woman thing.
>>5243447
There are a lot of traps passing as women, doesn't mean they identify as women. I congratulate you being able to fool people around you with dresses and makeup though
>>5243377
Oh sorry. Let me rephrase:
I guess to trannies being a female really does boil down to dolls and dresses AND PRETTY MUCH EVERY OTHER STEREOTYPE ASSOCIATED WITH FEMALES huh. Pretty pathetic desu
>>5243462
Except it doesn't boil down to that, it's only the first thing children notice.
Maybe you should consider euthanasia?
>>5243471
>it's only the first thing children notice.
You explicitly said you were jealous of girls being able to have long hair and pretty pink things. And that made you trans. Nice excuse.
>>5243479
I said that when I was 2-4 years old I was jealous of my sister getting compliments on her long hair and dress, when I wasn't even allowed to have long hair or wear dresses.
You really really should consider, euthanasia, it must be painful to live with such low intelligence.
>>5243479
Functional illiteracy is a terrible social ill. You should consider getting remedial classes.
>>5243484
>I said that when I was 2-4 years old I was jealous of my sister getting compliments on her long hair and dress, when I wasn't even allowed to have long hair or wear dresses.
That doesn't disprove any of what I said. You're just regurgitating you're trans because you want to wear pretty dresses.
>>5243492
Sorry I'm triggering you.
>>5243523
No, I'm not.
I don't think anything anyone says can get into your thick head.
>>5243523
>triggering
I see, feel or hear no flashbacks, so no I'm not triggered.
I am, however, very sad that you live with a burden such as yours in a modern society that relies so much on the written word.
>>5243532
>can't prove em wrong
>just keep calling them stupid, that'll do!
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