The last thread was left at Versailles
Ur-Wiesel Edition
> What's this thread about?
As usual this thread is for the discussion and pics of tracked and wheeled AFVs of all kinds from MBTs to supertanks to self propelled AA guns. Please keep it civil and cite sources for statistics.
The German love affair with the humble half-track can be traced all the way from 1917, when Benz had patented the first German medium semi-tracked tractor. As the German Army continued to refit and rearm through the 1930s, half-track designs exploded in permutations, and became known collectively under the heading of SdKfz – Sonderkraft-fahrzeug (special motor vehicle). The most esoteric of these myriad designs was perhaps a diminutive vehicle known as the Kettenkrad. From 1939, leapfrogging off earlier patents for “tracked motorcycles”, NSU Werke of Neckarsulm, Germany built a number of prototypes of a hybrid bike and trailer transports. Enthusiastically received, the designs were quickly accepted into service by June 1941 as the Kleines Kettenkraftrad SdKfz 2, or Kettenkrad. Stoewer Werke in 1943 was also invited to produce the vehicles, along with other firms like the French SIMCA providing parts. The Kettenkrad was a strange looking transport: frontally a bike, with wheel, forks and handlebars, its rear was enclosed by a bodywork that was supported by two large sets of tracks. Unlike other half-tracks, it used an Opel Olympia engine, which could potentially reach 50 km/h (but practically never used over 40) and could steer either by using the handlebars or by varying the speed of the tracks. In total, some 8345 were officially produced by the war’s end, but interestingly, an estimated by 550 continued to be produced by NSU for peacetime use, or by independent contractors or collectors. The vast majority, however, were lost on the Eastern Front.
> Gun
N/A
> Dimensions (l w h)
3 x 1 x 1.2 m
> Weight
1.235 tonnes
> Engine
36hp petrol
> Speed
50 km/h
>>29624252
OP: As always, feedback, suggestions wanted and appreciated.
I thought I’d start the new wave of threads with something a little more light hearted, and perhaps a little less content heavy, after the grim deluge of posts that assailed you in the weeks beforehand. For those of you that missed the previous thread, I ended up posting it in the middle of the week due to my timetable being all jumbled up, so I do apologise for that. Please note that threads will still be posted at the usual time at the start of the weekend or a little bit before. Actually, in relation to the WWI megathreads, what did you guys think? I know one person suggested it was perhaps more appropriate for /his/, and certainly, it deviated from tanks quite a bit, so I’m wondering what the overall consensus was.
As far as the Kettenkrad goes, there were apparently two submodels, the SdKfz 2/1, which mounted a small backpack spool in the infantry pattern, and the SdKfz 2/2 had two spools that were much larger and located behind the driver on a frame. In the late war, stretched HK 102 suspensions were used to create the “Springer” demolitions vehicles, but only around 50 were ever produced by NSU. In addition, Kettenkrads had an enormous amount of variation due to the plethora of trailer designs that were proliferated along with their production, such as specialised cable drum mounting device sporting trailers and modified standard infantry carts.
I’m fairly lost as to what to do next at this point, as I want to leave a bit of a gap before I get onto the other tanks of WWI. Any suggestions?
>>29624259
More tank news, as per the new format.
If you have more queries regarding a news story, just point it out, and I’ll further elaborate and provide links.
Iran has unveiled a new tank. The Tiam appears to be an eclectic fusion of Chinese and US equipment, as well as obvious Russian influences. The hull seems to be derived from a US M47M (an M47 with an M60A1 engine), and the turret housing a 105 mm is similar to a Type 59/69 of Chinese origin. On the same day, refurbished Chieftains (Shirs) and T-62s were also exhibited, but the new “Karrar”, supposedly an analogue to the T-90A, was noticeably omitted.
Denmark, in a process to replace its 155 mm M109A3 howitzers, has prequalified five different contenders for its competition, according to the FMI. BAE, Elbit, Hanwha, HSW and Nexter are the confirmed candidates, and said prequalification is based entirely off manufacturing and delivery concerns, rather than an evaluation of the capabilities of the platforms being offered.
The United States Marine Corps is also planning to buy or lease Israeli Trophy Active Protection Systems (APS) for its inventory of M1 Abrams main battle tanks, according to deputy commandant of the USMC Lt Gen. Robert Walsh. Walsh, in the same announcement voiced recommendations to the Army to follow suit for the M1A2 and Strykers, citing the sustained period of development time an indigenous APS would require.
Poland is set to buy 96 self-propelled 120 mm Rak mortar systems, worth at least $320-325 million USD. 8 mortar companies of the Polish Army are set to receive the Raks, including AWD command post vehicles.
The Japanese MoD has awarded BAE a contract for 30 new AAV7A1s. Built to the RAM/RS standard, the contract will include tools, testing aids and equipment.
Russian has ordered an additional 20 BTR-82A APCs for its armed forces. The vehicles are set to be delivered by the end of the year under the State Defence Order for 2016.
And that’s all for now.
more T-14
T-15 is no where to be found
Oh man this is gonna be a great thread
How often does America cross train its Armored Divisions? Anyone have any good stories on the matter?
Pic related, Western Heavy Weights
>>29624393
don't have a story, but i have this pic
>>29624393
It's interesting how three out of five are British tanks.
>>29624426
That pic is of Greek tank trails IIRC, Challenger II, Leo 2, Abrams, T-80U, T-84 and however you spell Italitys design. Leopard 2 won obviously.
>>29624252
>>29624373
T 15 is being redesigned because it was 'too big' (for you) according to top military brass.
BMP 2 is the CUTEST THING EVER when it comes to - IFV/APCs.
>>29624383
Quick question: Where's the bore evacuator on the T-14? did they kept it hidden near/within the turret or did they remove it (since it's an full-auto autoloader now)?
>>29624393
moar lineups
>>29625443
no need since the crew is isolated from the firing mechanism.
Does anyone have the meaning of the letter following the serial number on the Abrams?
I've heard "U" means there's DU, S for SEP which also has DU, E for export and A for Australia.
It was a long while ago someone posted the meaning so I may not be remembering them correctly.
>>29624252
/thg/-guy is a really good guy. As a special thank you, you are gifted a bump and this pic of a rare tank.
>>29625452
>no need since the crew is isolated from the firing mechanism.
this is fault
snice the 2S35 Koalitsiya-SV have the same remote turret technology and similar crew compartment design but it have fume extractor
>>29625443
they use compressed air, similar to the French
>>29625499
The whole point of the extractor is the keep toxic fumes from reaching the crew right?
Does that SPG have the capability to be operated without the auto-loader? If so that would explain it.
>>29625490
>Rare Tank
>>29625514
the fume extractor also keep unburn gun powder out of the turret. unburn powder may cause fire and shit load of problem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFulTgkpj6o
and yes, the SPG have a fully remote turret,
>>29625472
Forum trolling tells me that "U" stands for M1A1HA (or Heavy Armor) package equipped tanks, which means that by definition, they have depleted uranium.
>>29624942
Yeh, the Leopard 2, obviously.
Oh wait that's absolutely not what happened. What happened is the Leclerc came out 1st in every fucking category BUT protection, because France did not disclose the armour's details in time* and the Greeks decided it could not be worse than the AMX 30 armour. Obviously this meant it was not on par with the Leo, Abrams or chally 2 etc. In the end it put us on third place behind the Leo 2 and Abrams.
That's not what I call an obvious victory.
*The Greeks did not test the armour, they instead relied on what each company told them.
>>29625771
and they still got bunch of T-80U
>>29625771
Meant obvious as in the Leopard 2 is what Greece uses so it was obviously the winner. I did intend to imply anything about the relative quality of the tanks trailed.
>>29625771
this is kind of related, i think you have some insight look about it, and i don't speak chese
http://www.fmv.se/Global/Bilder/Projekt/Stridsfordon%20121,122%20Leopard/Bakgrund%20till%20valet%20av%20Leopard%202.pdf
>>29625863
english version
>>29625841
I apologize for my tone then, got triggered for a second there. Shit's so frustrating.
>>29624259
I liked WWI a lot, and I think those kinds of threads are a pleasure to read. I don't think you should post on /his/ since no one actually knows jack about history on there anyway.
>>29625863
>>29625874
the less points here the better the tank did. each category has 1st, 2nd and 3rd place.
>>29624252
Any current western use of light tanks outside of the British Army?
>>29626171
brazil or columbia or some shit use stingray2's
>>29624270
>The United States Marine Corps is also planning to buy or lease Israeli Trophy Active Protection Systems (APS) for its inventory of M1 Abrams main battle tanks, according to deputy commandant of the USMC Lt Gen. Robert Walsh. Walsh, in the same announcement voiced recommendations to the Army to follow suit for the M1A2 and Strykers, citing the sustained period of development time an indigenous APS would require.
RAYTHEON FAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH
>>29625874
I thought the combat info system and autoloader were top class on the Leclerc. Did the tank catch fire during the trials?
>>29626323
They are. Since the Sweden results vary so wildly compared to the Greek ones, I can only surmise that it was due to teething problems : 4 Leclerc were built between 1991 and 1992, then 13 delivered between 1993 and 1994. The one used in Sweden is one of those and it's no wonder it behave so badly compared to the others.
>>29624383
>>29624373
Did the T-14 have 3 exhaust ports at last years parade?
>>29626400
Oh and I discussed with a guy from the 5ème régiment de dragons, they are still having fun with AMX10P and AMX30 according to what he said. Ever went to Mailly le camp Frenchfag?
>>29624270
>Robert Walsh. Walsh, in the same announcement voiced recommendations to the Army to follow suit for the M1A2 and Strykers, citing the sustained period of development time an indigenous APS would require.
The US Army has leased 4 Trophy systems already.
https://news.usni.org/2016/04/14/walsh-marines-may-protect-tanks-with-active-and-ew-protection-systems-much-like-ship-self-defense
>the Marine Corps is partnering with the Army to test out the Israeli Trophy Active Protection System (APS). The Army is leasing four systems and will experiment with their Stryker combat vehicle and M1A2 tanks. The Marine Corps is currently modifying some of its M1A1 tanks to install mounts for the Trophy system, and the service will later work with the Army to test the protective system on the Marine tanks against anti-tank guided missiles and RPGs
>>29626427
Thrice already. Pretty much everyone is bound to train there at some point, since it's one of two camps with a standing OPFOR (the other's specialised in urban combat).
The 5th is about to undergo drastic changes, becoming a true regiment of the forces and a joint arms one at that, with Leclerc squadrons, VBCI companies etc. Leclerc will gradually replace the AMX30 as OPFOR tanks.
>>29625472
>>29625731
#### Burlington armor
####U Depleted Uranium armor
####M Depleted Uranium armor
####A armor made for Australia
####E armor made for Arab export
>>29626455
>a true regiment of the forces
They would be deployed in OPEX? I'm not following you there, who would take over FORAD or would they do both or just do FORAD with newer stuff?
>>29626484
whats the difference between export and australia armour packages?
>>29626624
Export is suspected of being a Burlington variation while Australia's is supposedly the DU with the DU swapped for another material.
The actual compositions are not public info.
>>29626420
they have two exhaust port in both side of the chassis
i don't know about the third one
this pic is from last year, don't have one with out side skirt though
>>29626540
One squadron is deployed this very autumn to the Emirates.
And they'll do both.
>>29624393
That was actually from part of the Challenger 2 development iirc - they were evaluating/comparing current British army inventory (Chieftain and Chally 1) with competitors - the Leopard 2, M1 Abrams, and the Vickers MBT
>>29625880
Yeah I'd say what's likely prevented a lot of countries from buying the Leclerc is its cost, it's a very expensive tank and it doesn't have the benefit of economy of scale that the Leopard 2 and M1 Abrams do.
China HJ-10 NSOL ATGM and probably loading vehicle
>>29626993
It's 2016 and the PLA still wears trainers instead of combat boots.
>>29627039
those are vehicle crew
their foot soldier wear boots
>>29625444
>>29627051
that one angry T-90
>>29627051
>>29627072
>there is no photo of an AMX13, AMX30 and leclerc next to each other
>>29627072
My contribution
>>29626433
>>29624270
So is Quick Kill still likely to be a thing with Trophy being a stop-gap, or is it Trophy all the way?
Postin pic.
>>29627437
The future APS is MAPS which might include parts from Quick Kill.
But for now it's Trophy's time
>>29624373
>>29624383
>>29624399
the latest news from uralvagonzavod is that they're ready to start t-14 mass production right now, but still wait for those initial 20 models delivered into troops to conclude test trials
>>29627437
The program is going to have a stop gap within the next several years and then a full model in a decade or so. Trophy is likely going to be the stop gap.
>>29627094
Damn, right. A pity really. I can get one of a Leclerc and AMX 30 next to each other, though.
Some line-up pics incoming. This one is during the sweden trials.
Sorry for the shitty caption on this one, not my doing.
>>29628483
Ok not exactly lined-up, but cool anyway.
>>29628563
Great, thanks.
>>29627039
Liberation shoes, comrade. Nothing more liberating than wearing them while gone liberatin
>>29624259
You can either post it on /k/ or /his/, I'm up for the content anyway.
Philippines bought 8 Korean-made KAAV7A1 for around PHP2.5 billion (roughly 6.5 million dollars per vehicle)
>>29628702
These brabd new AAV will replace the venerable LVTH6 that was introduced in the 50s
>>29628702
>8 amphibious APC
>for the price of the T-90MS
why, and why only 8 of them
the chink have tons of amphibious light tank, armed with 105mm gun and thermal sight
>>29628599
In tank news today - 4 Leclercs have been deployed to the UK for Exercise Griffin Strike, they'll be operating alongside the British Army to test the Anglo-Franco Rapid Response Group's capabilities on Salisbury Plain.
No news on whether the Challengers are out to play or not. They recently had a MASSIVE exercise of over 60 tanks underway though, so they may still be in climbdown from that.
Might we finally get our first pictures of a Challenger and Leclerdc in joint-ops training? Salisbury Plain is the Challenger's home turf after all.
>>29628745
Am I late to the line-up party?
>>29628776
Didn't mean to reply, btw.
>>29628781
>>29628776
What's that, a mine plow?
>>29628787
I was here the other week. I'm a driver on an M1A2, some knowledge with loading and gunning
Anything you guys are curious about? Or Army shit in general in regards to AFVs?
>>29628789
Correct.
>>29628776
Have the IDF ever done a Merk 1 to 4 lineup?
OCD demands this be done.
>>29628787
Didn't know you were deployed in Australia mate.
>>29628802
How does the crew selection work?
Did you apply to become a driver, or were you selected to be one?
>>29628731
Firstly, the price includes spares,training, tropicalization and some other changes requested by the flips (such as communication suit). They will operate from flips' brand new LPD
Secondly they are meant for amphibious operation in southern flipland, with the ongoing battle between the military and Abou Seyyaf. There's no way you will see AAV-7 squares off with chink ZBD-05
>>29628802
is it true that Abrams driver can't get out thought their hatch if the gun isn't in forward position?
thing like the corner of the front of the turret cound block your hatch?
>>29624259
Next cold war tanks please!!! Experimental, western, russian, whatever. But anyways thanks for the threads as usual /thg/ guy. You're a real cool dude
>>29628812
Probably not. Would have been pretty cool though.
>>29628822
Me neither!
>>29628846
still too expensive for something with no armor and fire power
and you need a lot of armor and fire power for anti insurgency operation
>>29628829
New guys are either driver or loader. According to doctrine, new guys are drivers so that the loader can learn the gunner position. An alternate view is the new guy loading so that he can catch up to speed in general faster. Often, it's just whatever slot is available.
So yeah, I was picked.
>>29628851
You can get out at any position, it's just a bitch if it's not in a cardinal direction. To the rear there's a gate in the turret screen by the loader's feet, and you can crawl underneath the back of the turret through the actual hatch. Gun over side, obviously, you can get right out of the hatch. Gun over front, if the gun isn't depressed below level, you can squeeze out. In any other rotation, if you aren't a fat piece of shit, you can squeeze out of the hatch even though it takes a minute.
You can also rotate the gun to the 10 or 11 o' clock and remove the gunner's screen and climb in/out there.
>>29628729
Hahahah how lewd! You're not that anon that mentioned he was going to puckapunyal are you?
>>29628970
Nah, it's from the Chieftain's new video on the Sentinel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P1PZtZCup8
Pretty good video series, lot from a "tanker's perspective" and generally pretty even handed, albeit his slight (and self admitted) bias toward American tanks and not mentioning their weak points like he does for other nations.
He mentioned it on the WoT forums once as because he believes, more than other nations, that the Americans had the most reputation to regain post WW2 thanks to the whole "Sherman sux lol" thing for decades and wanted to help portray it otherwise by talking about their strengths instead, which I can respect, even if it does make him look a little harsh on other nations in his videos. There's a well meaning reasoning behind it, as opposed to nationalistic bias.
>>29629001
>a little harsh on other nations
but he said the true
Nazi engineering is just a meme
and the Soviet talk about their war dead as glorious sacrifice
>>29628584
Is that from Cold Response 2016?
Also, were you there?
I've just created a 1500 word writeup on the MPF program. I was thinking about posting it here, but it might be best if I created a new thread for it. I'll probably post it in an hour or so, I'm just going to try and soak in the hot tub to try and get rid of this pain in my neck first, so I can be around to respond. I'll be sure to link it to this thread.
>>29629052
I think you may have missed what I was saying, because I wasn't saying that he's just going on about "America better".
It's that normally he points out both positives and negatives in designs, but he's self admitted that he points out far less of the negatives with American tanks, because he believes they need a bit more "positive propaganda" to overcome the decades of misrepresentation.
How do you want your T-55 pham?
>>29628933
Japan paid roughly the same price for AAV-7 they bought from BAE systems, and they bought like 30 of them
Which means BAE systems' AAV7 would be more expensive if bought in smaller numbers
>>29627799
Not gonna lie T-14 is pretty cute with her skirts off. Reminds me of M60 Patton's god-tier aesthetic tracks n wheels
dumping a few random threaded vehicles
>>29629001
oh cool great vid. Didn't know they had a sentinel they really do have it all
>>29629214
the Ukraine one with bustle autoloader
>>29629262
There you go familam.
>>29628776
You guys don't have a panoramic commander's thermal sight?
>>29629278
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nlwh4ocfz4
>>29629214
>>29629270
Dont fall for it.
I highly question if they improved the base armor for any of the T-55 upgrades.
>>29629319
the Russia one have T-72B turret and Kontakt-5 chassis
the Ukraine one have original base armor, with some kind of NERA and NOZH ERA
>>29629288
Of course we do.
>>29629310
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oSFdvf5nwE
>>29629087
Most likely, but nope I was not.
>>29628745
I saw that, I'm looking forward to the pics that will inevitably appear on the Army's FB page.
>>29628802
Do you prefer sleeping at your post or on the back, over the engine ?
>>29629639
Did they really shoot one shell when they could have just shot a burst .50 bmg?
>forgot to take a screenshot of the best places to masturbate in a Leclerc, Abrahams and a Merk
Does anyone have the youtube link for the vid of a Syrian tank getting hit by a rocket from both the rebel launch position and from the tank behind the one getting hit?
>>29629718
MPF thread is up.
>>29629772
Leclerc : since all stations are well separated, any one can do. The most comfy is obviously the driver's station.
>>29629730
Judging by how they are walking so care free I'd say its night time, Iraqi Abrams don't have CROWS so a main gun round was the best choice for a guaranteed kill.
>>29630048
>not using coax
>>29630048
Don't know much about the abrahams but it seems weird to work on the TUSK and sell versions of it without stuff essential for urban warfare in the countries which forced the US army to launch the TUSK program.
>>29629772
Gotta be the rear compartment on the Merk. You can lay down and get comfy, and the ammo bins act as shelves for your tissue and lube.
>>29630245
Is that you btw ?
>>29629087
It is from the preperation before the exercise.
>>29630297
Nah, that's one of our loaders.
>>29630145
CROWS is not part of TUSK, and TUSK is not a monolithic all or nothing kit.
>>29630531
I just quickly checked the wiki page when I posted that and I assumed it was a part of it, since you know having a remote control MG would make sense in the kind of program TUSK is.
>>29627591
that pic reminds me
>>29630768
Where do you find all those pictures?
Is it from a blog or is it all from you?
>>29631113
Well i know a guy who goes to the swedish military archives. Im sort of working with him and a few other people to get swedish tanks into the game World of Tanks.
So the pictures are not directly from me but from the guy who runs this blog http://tanks.mod16.org/
>>29631169
WG said they will likely not put the strv 103 into WoT because they would need to add a whole new system of adjustable suspension, but if they did put it in they would also out this feature on other tanks that can adjust their suspension like the STB-1.
But really I just want them to get their shit straight and finally put the damn Chieftain in the game.
>>29631169
Tack så mycket.
>>29631195
>85
>>29631238
what?
>>29631195
My best guess is that the cheiftain will be part of a whole new heavy branch early next year. The reason it was pulled from being a tier 10 replacement was more or less that it didnt have any armor as far as i understood. T54's could go straight trough parts of the turret front with normal ap and the supertesters complained.
Anyway i know that they are in fact working on the Strv 103 and its suspension. They are working on both a TD branch ending with the Strv 103 (Im quite upset that, but its outside my controll.) and a medium/heavy tank branch ending with the Krv (pic related)
Im not sure if they are doing this in case they cant impliment the strv 103 on time, but in any case i think we can expect at least one swedish tank branch by the end of the year.
>>29631264
The amount of front armour this tank has.
>>29631300
They measured it with some ultrasound thing beforehand. The earlier prototype cheiftains had around 90mm iirc but that was scaled back on the production model.
>>29631211
np
Anyway here is a picture of the Krv prototype hull. I was actually invited to see this and all the other backstage stuff at the arsenalen armor museeum but i couldnt make it. Still i got some rather nice photos from the guys who did go there
>>29631276
>>29631300
I've heard that was the reason they pulled it, but I'm not sure I buy it.
http://tanks.gg/wot/tank/chieftain#tab:model.compare:t110e5
Utilizing it's gun depression (the way it was designed to be used) it's very tough, even if you only use half of the available 10 degrees.
The AMX50b, T57 Heavy, and FV215b have terrible armor as well.
>>29631370
Either way they decided to go with a conqueror upgrade instead, which fits the line better imo. We will see what they do with the chieftain but they wont waste as a CW reward, they are not that stupid. I expect a minibranch or a full new heavy branch.
>WoT cucks
>>29631462
>War thunder
ayy imao
never ending grinding and bias
>>29631370
>I've heard that was the reason they pulled it, but I'm not sure I buy it.
They pulled it because:
A) WoT's shitty mechanics don't take into account the armor design of the Chieftain and how it worked. This problem is prevelant in various tanks in game already, especially American ones. Their mechanics are set up for (surprise surprise) how Russian armor was designed. WoT has this bullshit "calibre x3 of thickness = ignore all angles" design in its programming that basically invalidates tanks by this concept.
B) The sources are suspect. No two examinations have shown the same thickness and there's ongoing disagreement given the prime source of the "85mm measure" was a guy VERY much known for bullshitting people to feed his bias. He was caught red handed using an excerpt from a Soviet propaganda magazine to feet incorrect info once. The ones that AW's devs measured read 100mm for example.
C) Chieftain's design philosophy is entirely mismatched to WoT's game design of nose to nose ramming combat.
D) This is the biggest reason, they noticed how EVERYONE wanted the Chieftain, and wanted to put it behind a new line instead of just giving it away, because then they get more people grinding/spending money to reach it. Business decision.
The Chieftain's frontal plate was very good. Especially given the additional angles/ranges it would normally be hit at. WoT just struggles to really implement this given the conflicting sources. However the main reason, as ever, is they smell money on the tank and thus are likely panicking over how to present it given their usual approach of half-assing British tanks won't cut it when this tank has such a massive base of wanting users.
The Krv was a swedish "heavy tank" developed during 1951-58. It was developed specifically to counter the IS3 heavy tank. It was meant to feature a 15cm smoothbore gun mounted in a occilating turret.
The tank was inspired bu the AMX 13 and the is3. A single prototype hull was finished in 1956 with a modefied hull being used for the Akv 151 SPG. Project ended up being canceled in 1958 after some extreme problems with developing the armament and after Bofors decided they would rather waste their prodiction capacity on a obsolete 12cm aa gun project.
>>29631462
Enjoy your battle rating system m8. I dont really have anything against that game but a lot of people i know do.
>>29631478
>Implying WoT doesn't have bias as well
BTW what show is that?
>>29627071
>>29631565
>WoT doesn't have bias as well
Atleast they dont say they are actually being realistic and straight up say that there is no russian bias.
>BTW what show is that?
Some russian one.
Dont really know.
>>29630297
>>29630364
Come on we all know Merkgunner is a qt IDF tanker
>>29631938
That picture is shooped.
>>29628745
Now THAT is interesting. Maybe they'll bring one or two to Tankfest if they can stand the ATDU poking over it.
>>29628802
What's the maximum height requirement for driving them?
>>29630601
IIRC, a remote .50 was part of TUSK, but it was developed after the main fighting.
>>29631195
Their usual source of references has one to examine, so it's likely they'll get it in at some point.
>>29631938
>>29631947
>>29624252
I actually found out today that the Kettenkrad used in Saving Private Ryan was actually real, and used for forestry stuff after filming was done.
>>29631940
I'd Golan her Heights, if you know - actually I don't know what that means.
>>29633012
distracted posting is distracted
>>29632992
>>29632998
>>29633012
>>29633179
>>29633202
>>29633216
Anyone know what the ADL is suppose to do for the M829A4? I get it's necessary for things like smart and air-burst rounds, but what could it do for a Kinetic penetrator?
>>29633512
Corrections after launch is the only thing I could possibly think of.
>>29633512
http://www.dote.osd.mil/pub/reports/FY2015/pdf/army/2015m829a4.pdf
>The rings serve as the interface between the Abrams’ fire control system and the M829A4. The ADL enables the Abrams’ fire control system to send information to the M829A4.
I have yet to find anything about the data link beyond this.
>>29633512
Perhaps it can control whether it is segmented or not for dealing with ERA?
Redpill me on the Merkava, folks
>>29631462
does the laser range finder work?
low tier tank range finder only work at 600m
>>29633901
Try asking a more specific question instead of using a dead /pol/ meme.
>>29633901
It is a jew tank
That is all.
>>29633901
It's not the best tank in the world, but it's the best tank for Israel.
At least that's what Israel said about it.
>>29634005
I'm a relative armor newfag and I want to know more about the Merkava.
How is the BMS compared to other tanks?
How does it fit into israeli doctrine - ex: David Eshel arguing that Iraelis have some major flaws in tactical conduct in 2006 and Iraeli training afterwards
Does APS allow Merkavas (and tanks in general) to be more aggresive in urban combat, or reduce demands for infantry escort?
How frequently do Merkavas ride with extra infantry in them?
These are all questions based on wiki reading
Just want to know more about it, seems interesting as a tank compared to the more "standard" M1, Leopard, Challenger, etc
>>29629001
For Christ’s’s sake! Do Aussies not know how to make a video?
Who wants the God damned guy’s face front-and-center in the video?
It's like a 70's porno, why even include the guy at all?
Why not just film the tank (the ONLY thing anybody is interested in) in a slow panning movement, while the guy reads the lines in an over-dub?
Dumbass...
>>29634224
I'm fine with it, lets people who know their shit add little tid bits of information here and there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8Jq5lagUOw
>>29625393
the BMD 2 is even cuter
>>29634282
No, this is a badly done video that ignores the actual subject to focus on the guy babbling on screen.
I can hear the guy, I neither need nor want to see him.
Show me the damn tank!
>>29634224
>American presenter
>Working for Slavs
>In a British museum
>Aussies
>>29634505
I love nicholas moran, fucking great tank videos. I love the fact he was a real tanker.
>>29634519
>American presenter
He's not American, he's from some metric country.
>>29634505
Nicholas Moran is great and frankly him being in the shot is better because I don't want 22 minutes of them panning the same fuckin tank over and over again.
>>29634505
There's a thousand fucking images out there of the Sentinel in Bovington.
There's only one video giving this sort of awesome info about the tank we'd never get elsewise.
>>29631727
>>29634549
No, he of American citizenship, but he's of European background, if that makes sense.
>>29629722
On the front slope. A woobie and heavy sleeping bag are warm enough, although I've never been in snowy conditions. I've only been overseas in Kuwait.
>>29631957
No special height requirement, although I'm 5'9" and I barely fit inside the seat. My CVC scrapes against the top of the hole even though I have my seat lowered all the way.
>>29634505
Tone down your autism there anon, you're still getting the same information, and you could always look up other videos of Bovington galleries for the tank itself.
>>29634728
Isn't he Irish?
>>29634728
He may have a US passport, but he's Irish or wherever the fuck he's from.
>>29635532
>>29635551
Well he's served in the US Army, so I guess that makes him pretty American.
>>29634108
>How is the BMS compared to other tanks?
I don't know about other BMS's, but it works well.
>How does it fit into israeli doctrine - ex: David Eshel arguing that Iraelis have some major flaws in tactical conduct in 2006 and Iraeli training afterwards
It fits right in. 2006 was a fuck up on many levels, but not on the individual crew training or the tanks themeselves. It's sunday morning, and I'm too hungover to get into it right now.
>Does APS allow Merkavas (and tanks in general) to be more aggresive in urban combat,
Most definitely.
>or reduce demands for infantry escort?
No. That demand is still a thing.
>How frequently do Merkavas ride with extra infantry in them?
Never. Getting rid of most of our combat load just to be able to carry a few guys is retarded. We have Namers and Achzarits for this.
>>29635936
Do you feel like the frontally mounted engine is beneficial to the tank? As far as I can tell all it does is remove a piece of protection from the back and potentially weaken the frontal armor just to fit the engine there.
Does the fact that there's armor above the engine help in urban combat?
Also what about potential tank vs tank combat, say if Egypt were to buy LeClercs or a potential post-war Syria is given T-14s, would the Merkava be effective in open-ground long-range battles against modern opponents?
>>29636025
>LeClercs
Incoming Frenchfag.
It's Leclerc, mate. It's named after a dude.
>>29635936
>It fits right in. 2006 was a fuck up on many levels, but not on the individual crew training or the tanks themeselves. It's sunday morning, and I'm too hungover to get into it right now.
Can you go into it tomorrow? Modern tank doctrine is extremely interesting to me.
>>29636025
>Leclercs
>T-14
Time for Merkava Mk VIII cause the next couple of gens would be fucked
>>29636025
Why would Egypt buy Leclercs when they build(assemble) their own Abrams?
I made this after some anon mentioned it in the Kubinka museum thread. Cannot be unseen. Spread my seed
>>29636163
Kindly requesting benis edit
>>29636557
Here ya go. In custom pepe green
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>>29636604
Thank you, that's a pretty rare one. I wonder if there's one floating around for the Sentinel.
>>29636622
oh you wanted it for that pic?
>>29636637
No actually, but that's a pretty terrific idea. Did you manage to find any other dank ones in that Kubinka thread?
Also, apologizing in advance to /thg/ guy for shitting up the thread.
>>29636650
Nah I just made these. The thread was cool, I was most impressed they had an S-tank.
Also sorry for shitting up the thread too
By the way what MG is even under Sentinel's unfortunate armor hood?
>>29636671
A 7.7 mm Vickers machinegun.
>>29634832
>sleeping alone on the front slope
>not over the engine plate which will keep your warm through the night
>cuddled with your crewmates
Why, America.
>>29631940
We all wish.
>>29635936
>>29636093
Regarding 2006, to sum up very broadly, the Hezbollah was underestimated. Tsahal lead frontal raids without enough sound intel and with inadequate, scattered assets, and lacked the local favorable power ratio to seize heavily defended positions.
The infantry deployed alongside the Merks was too scarce and badly prepared for close combat quarters, which was necessary to cleanse the Hezbollah underground network. The tanks were scattered all over the front and had to advance at the infantrymen pace, locally they were not mobile enough and too few to counter the *massive* volleys of missiles/rockets they withstood.
Toward the end of the war, the armoured brigades had to charge, without previous scouting and without infantry, toward the Litani, along easily predictible axis.
However, despite this, the Merkavas fared superbly, and I fucking mean it. The Hezbollah fighters were no slouchs and cleverly used their missiles/rockets assets, keeping the most recent stuff (AT14, RPG29) for the Mk IV, using the older shit against the Mk 2/3.
Some numbers :
50 tanks were hit by rockets/missiles, 32 Mk 2/3 and 18 Mk 4. We don't know how many were penetrated, but we know that 18 tankers died... and not one of them a crewman of a Mk 4. Which means that 18 Mk 4 were hit by the most modern stuff available to the Hezbollah, some of them several times, and no one died.
2 tanks were hit and destroyed by IEDs, one Mk 2 or 3, one Mk 4. The 4 crewmen of the old tank died, only one in the Mk 4.
I'll let you draw your own conclusions on the quality of the Merkava 4...
>>29636092
A dude.
The marshall who rallied our colonial troops in Africa and liberated Paris.
A dude.
Oh, the seething wrath inside.
>>29625547
>the fume extractor also keep unburn gun powder out of the turret. unburn powder may cause fire and shit load of problem
The novel microwave ignition on the Koalitsiya probably isn't as good in burning the propellant as the conventional primer is.
>>29625499
>they use compressed air, similar to the French
There is no indication that they do, and firing videos doesn't show a puff of smoke a few moments after the gun shoots.
>>29636801
>and firing videos doesn't show a puff of smoke a few moments after the gun shoots.
but it does, rewatch the first firing video please
the one on STAR channel
>>29636771
Why was 2006 such a shitshow compared to earlier conflicts? Was there an issue within the IDF other than underestimating Hezbollah?
>>29633922
There was no laser rangefinder on the Chieftain Mk. III.
>>29636771
>Why, America.
Because I'm the driver so I need to periodically turn on the engine over night so the voltage doesn't drop (we keep the power on to run the radios). The LT sleeps on a cot on the back deck (bitch is hot enough to radiate several feet above the surface over night), gunner sleeps right on it in the coolest spot, and the loader has a hammock that he puts under the bustle rack (gun over side). Obviously wouldn't slide in a combat environment but we never even left Kuwait. Just a fucking shit-ton of maneuver training.
Why, in 30+ years, we haven't figured out how to run a "radio only" mode or auxiliary generator that charges the batteries, I don't know, but we haven't.
On other tanks it's a total cuddlefest though
>>29636771
How do they know which one's the Mk IV and which one's the Mk III? Is it really that noticeable?
>>29636817
>but it does, rewatch the first firing video please
>the one on STAR channel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuoAfmmzipg
There's no puff of smoke. Compare it with the Leclerc firing and there is a puff after a noticeable delay since the pump only works after firing.
>>29631507
>B) The sources are suspect. No two examinations have shown the same thickness and there's ongoing disagreement given the prime source of the "85mm measure" was a guy VERY much known for bullshitting people to feed his bias. He was caught red handed using an excerpt from a Soviet propaganda magazine to feet incorrect info once. The ones that AW's devs measured read 100mm for example.
The glacis is also 85 mm thick in War Thunder Ground Forces.
Only the early Chieftain prototypes had a 120 mm thick glacis but it was less sloped.
This is a stupid question but bear with me. Say I had more money than I could use and I wanted a tank. Would a modern military let me own one if it had a deactivated main gun and the armour was replaced with plain old Steel or something light? Would they just say fuck you based on security reasons?
>>29636861
And by own one I meant buy a modern tank, as I know own it is legal to own tanks in certain countries
>>29636865
What like an Abrams or a Challenger 2 or a Leopard?
>>29636852
this is T-14, i make it slow motion
notice the smoke behide the muzzle blast
>>29636896
and the T-90MS for comparing sake
the T-14 smoke is less noticeable because the gun chamber pressure is higher than most tank gun today and it have a better fume extractor
>>29636844
Let me get this straight. When you say cot, that's like, a foldable camp bed ? Your LTs sleep on cots ? I need something like that damnit.
Also regarding the radios, do you mean that every tank in the platoon has them on all night long ? For us it's just the crew on watch duty so the batteries stand fine.
>>29636827
Well "earlier conflicts" was rather long ago, at the time. Tsahal was more used to heavy police duty against Palestinians by then.
>>29636846
Oh yes, the differences are glaring. I mean, I'm not sure how it goes for other militaries, but we as tankers do a hell of a lot of identification courses, because obviously you wanna know what's that thing you're about to shoot. It's much easier to differentiate a Merk 3 and a 4 than, let's say, a BMP 1 and a BRM.
So you bet your ass the Hezbollah fighters had seen a shit-ton of pictures of every piece of equipment Tsahal fields and could easily ID them.
>>29636852
No pump on the (French) Leclerc. Cabin's overpressurised.
>>29636921
Sure, but they did well in those earlier conflicts, didn't they? Just wondering why a modern military had such a backslide in operational doctrine implementation
>>29636921
>Let me get this straight. When you say cot, that's like, a foldable camp bed ? Your LTs sleep on cots ? I need something like that damnit.
Lol no my loader just stole it from our attached support company and since he got his hammock, LT grabbed it.
>Also regarding the radios, do you mean that every tank in the platoon has them on all night long ? For us it's just the crew on watch duty so the batteries stand fine.
Ideally we have one man awake on each tank but last couple ops we did the training smart (ergo, combat dumb) thing of only having one guy in the section up on radio with the other tank off.
>>29636946
Combo of different factors, as usual. Overconfidence borne of past victories, overall lack of adequate training because they had been doing low key policing for 20 years, misplaced sense of superioty upon a foe deemed no greater than the Hamas, etc. Food for thought, I don't have the perfect explanation to be honest. Merkgunner would have a different insight perhaps, to complete or maybe infirm what I said.
In any case, compare with French military 1918 and 1939, or USSR 1945 and 1979, etc. YOu can draw parallels with many other situations.
>>29636975
>doing low key policing for 20 years
As far as I know from reading a US Army case study on the feasibility of armor in 2020, the biggest problem with the IDF in 2006 was due to their training revolving around COIN operations. So once Hezbollah began engaging the IDF in symmetrical warfare the IDF found themselves out of their depth.
>>29636870
Yea pretty much or even like a cold war era MBT
>>29637030
>cold war era MBT
You definitely can
>>29636975
One of the benefits of the US sticking its dick in everywhere is that our guys get more practice than most.
Unfortunately we then do everything in our power to erode this edge.
>>29637039
I know like a t54 and surplus slav shit is easy to get but what about British or American? And then what about a modern era tank without any of the fancy stuff, pretty much just the engine and design with dummy armour?
Hello treadheads!
These pictures were posted in 2 different threads about tanks here.
So does anybody have more from this set?
>>29637104
>>29629565
i am confused
>>29637104
>>29637110
http://flickrhivemind.net/Tags/ironsword/Interesting
>>29637131
Iranian light tank they showed off recently.
>>29637104
>>29637110
god I love modern shit in OD green
>>29637143
look like they come straight out of Moscow
>>29637158
>>29628730
it's HUGE
>>29634728
He was Irish reserve(enlisted) then National Guard (commissioned). Deployed to Iraq.
>>29637004
>Hezbollah
>Conventional warfare
Pick one.
IDF would smash arabs in a normal war.
>>29634505
>nick moran
>not based
>watch tank video
>the challenger guy appears instead
>god dammit whatever
>"obviously..."
>"obviously..."
>"obviously..."
just fuck my video up
>>29637137
Thank you Anon, very much!
>>29637171
Damn, I hadn't noticed how gigantic it is.
>>29637186
Did he see any active combat?
>>29637104
>>29637110
Abrams in one colour which isn't beige. Weird.
>tfw no Demag
>>29636854
And yet AW's own research and measuring of vehicles found 100mm on a Mk5.
WT's sources are the exact same dude as WoT's, the same guy who is extremely dubious. Like I said, he's been seen using very suspect things before to try and push a "Chieftain was a shitty tank that bad shit armor and shit gun" everywhere.
Especially as his "proof" is just numbers on a hull that "I measured guv, honest." He's never been backed up by anyone.
>>29637877
Not sure. You might have to ask him yourself. Or maybe somebody already did.
But this is a photo posted by him of a tank in his platoon.
>>29637304
The chieftain has become much better at talking to the camera. The other guy on the hand...well, at least we know what separates Men from the Officers.
If you're all looking for good videos for tonks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjacUnmi2iY
David Fletcher of Bovington museum going around his museum talking about items in it. He has a wonderfully funny depreciative tone, very British and has a lot of cool factoids that are often left unknown.
Best of all, he has super rare archive footage on vehicles we've probably never seen moving before.
>>29637043
>Unfortunately we then do everything in our power to erode this edge.
You mean we focus on what we are doing during a 10+ year war and then modernize afterwards, just like what happened after Vietnam.
There is a lot of shit in the works, as in 'we need it in 2 years' time frame.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOKjj9XHBFo
