War In North Korea
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What would a war with North Korea look like if it popped off over there right now?
I mean call me crazy, but it seems like the United States isn't playing games with the northern bastards anymore.
Taken from the website "Defcon Warning System" (quite a credible site, if I may add. While I may not agree with the opinions there sometimes, their fact-finding information is usually quite accurate):
In the event of hostilities, there is the potential for nuclear weapons to be used. North Korea has the ability to launch short and possibly medium range missiles armed with nuclear devices, and they are working on long range tech which will allow them to strike the United States itself. While there is no credible evidence they have this ability at this time, it is prudent to be aware that they will eventually if not already. Any nuclear conflict will significantly affect public perception, and may cause a run on supplies. Additionally, fallout from any nuclear detonation will reach the U.S. mainland within a couple days if less, depending on winds. Based on the type of nuclear weapons that will likely be used in any conflict, radiation reaching the U.S. will probably be minimal and cause no significant health hazard. Nevertheless, proper precautions are always advised. We wish to emphasize that this is merely a precautionary advisory considering a "worst-case" scenario which may not and probably will not happen. At this time, there have been no troop movements by North Korea which would indicate preparations for an offensive attack.
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Current information known to the DEFCON Warning System:
A widespread military drill is currently underway on the Korean Peninsula. Dubbed OPLAN 5015, its primary goal is to train in the event of war on the Korean Peninsula. Early on in the operation, OPLAN 5015 was changed to include decapitation strikes specifically on North Korea. At this time there is over 317,000 U.S., South Korean, and Japanese troops participating in the drill. There is also an unprecedented number of naval assets including two U.S. Nuclear Aircraft Carriers with a possible third in the vicinity. Two Amphibious Assault Ships with an estimated number of 2,000 troops and other military assets on board which we believe are separate to the assets currently taking part in ground exercises. On an important note, there has never been two modern day Amphibious Assault Ships participate in a military drill or otherwise. An unknown number of destroyers, cruisers, and submarines are in the area as well. We can estimate that one carrier group carries 17 different ships, so we estimate at least 34 naval assets are in the region. Air assets include 3 B-2 Spirits which were originally not slated to become apart of the drills have been moved to Diego Garcia. Many fighters, and B-52s are also in the region. In response to the movement of the B-2s, Russia has moved 3 Backfire bombers to Novosibirsk Tolmachevo Airport, 16 km from the centre of Novosibirsk, Siberia. Much of the field drills are slated to begin this coming Sunday, however tensions are running very high on the Korean Peninsula. Many military aircraft are already participating in live munitions exercises over South Korean airspace. South Korea has deployed a newly developed anti-aircraft missile system along the maritime border with North Korea in the Yellow Sea. U.S. artillery brigade based in South Korea launched a barrage of rockets close to the border town of Cheorwon, South Korea and the DPRK town of Pyonggang.
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On March 9, 2016, the DPRK launched 2 missiles identified as Hwasong-6, launched parallel to the DMZ from the western region of the country south of Pyonyang over land into the Yellow sea. North Korea is believed to have restarted a small research reactor at its Yongbyon nuclear complex in a possible attempt to make tritium, a key ingredient for hydrogen bombs. Due to these events, The DEFCON Warning System believes that this has potential to evolve into a war on the Korean Peninsula. These exercises and statements made by the United States can not be interpreted by North Korea as anything other than provocative. We believe that North Korea is feeling backed into a corner with all the military assets and drills in the region. North Korea may see it as its only choice but to attack the South in what it might rightfully call a defensive move. We will be monitoring this situation closely.
So let's say North Korea decides to commit suicide. What's the United States response? For some reason, I'm imagining a total curbstomp like Desert Storm in 1991. It feels the same -- precision weaponry and modern might chopping down the ranks of a swollen, yet antique North Korean military like old wheat stalks. What do you think?
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>>29250732
>old wheat stalks
Yeah fucking right lol
We are currently at war with North Korea. Perhaps you ought to reword your question.
>>29250781
Having a wing of B-1s, B-52s, B-2s, an assortment of fighters, the world's most advanced Navy, etc. will usually crumble a regime to rubble, so yeah.
>>29250794
>clearly means shooting war
>nitpicks
It's summer indeed
>>29250721
>>29250705
Listen, Droob. One of these threads pops up at least every other day, and i see you put some effort into this so im going ot humor you...
Nobody (unless properly provoked or attacked first) will ever curb stomp the Norks.
To china it is a valueable Buffer state.
Russia hardly cares and has virtually nothing to gain out of it.
The ROK Doesnt want it.
And The US/Allies wont dare touch it because Whoevers caught holding the ball has to put the pieces back together, And Rebuilding/ Fixing NK could ruin an economy alone...
Also the moment ANYTHING goes down, Seoul gets turned into a parking lot by THOUSANDS of artillery shells (even if they are duds imagine what even that projectile would do at force against a building, street etc.) And by the time the US even gets a bird in the air and has a plan of attack set Seoul is no-more...
Fun Fact tho:
The ROK would never lead its own attack or even defense against NK. In any such case they would demand their military be handed over to the United states (Its true, Look it up.)
tl;dr
op is a fag, no one wants to start shit, no one will. saber rattling with continue until someone gets tired of Kim's shit on the inside and a coup happens.
>>29250830
I disagree, Russia has everything to lose from a unified NK
>>29250835
Hey fuckwit, no one was asking if things would go down over there or not. He asked what it would look like if things did. Thus, you shitposted.
>>29250829
Translation: I'm proud of my ignorance and wish to spread and promote it like an angsty 14 year old.
>>29250830
This is a shitty meme, only a limited number of their artillery can reach the outskirts of seoul and that is they have all their long range pieces in one basket and if it's not killed by counter fire because South Korea has had ages to figure out where it is.
seoul will never be destroyed by the north unless the south attacks first, which it won't because they don't want the north to blow up seoul.
in many ways, the korean war is really just a gigantic hostage situation.
>>29250850
>Unified
What do you mean? NK doesnt have the manpower to take the ROK. Seoul and maybe (if they hadn't been targeted and destroyed by then) a nuke if they can manage.
Or do you mean a Unified NK people/Leadership? Because even then with a compitent government their people are still malnurished and their country poor.
>>29250876
Even a small number of pieces in fortified positions and mobile on tracks is enough if they make the first strike.
>>29250830
>thinks the US doesn't already have a plan of attack
Everything else was pretty spot on though
>>29250830
Don't add little fun facts if your big, boring facts are inaccurate to begin with. To think that the United States wouldn't counteract within a span of four hours would be quite foolish.
Even if your theory about destroying Seoul with artillery was correct (which it's not), what sort of shitty first strike would that be?
>"Hey, let's try to raze the fuck out of Seoul by concentrating all of our artillery pieces in one area. I'm sure we won't need to use them later, because according to Anon, the US won't be responding for a while. In fact, send our entire Air Force up, because the US has no birds in the air."
Fuck off lol.
>>29250816
We almost lost the Korean war. We barely fought them to a stalemate. This kind of confidence is misplaced and foolish.
>>29250830
>Seoul is no more
What is counter-battery fire
What are bunkers
What is Seoul proper being out if range of all but the longest-range artillery
I agree on everything else, but the Norks simply don't have the ability to demolish Seoul. We're talking 150k casualties at most
>>29250930
I mean that Russia would hate to see the downfall of communist Korea in favor of a united, democratic Korea you retard. Everyone knows that the North could never win.
>>29250942
China's not going to be there for you this time, commie.
>>29250924
You must be joking or completely uninformed. Seoul will be flattened by the North if they decide to push. Our regrouping efforts will occur in the southern part of the peninsula.
No more Task Force Smiths, yes but you can't stop the North during an invasion just like you cannot stop a simple wave in the ocean. It will happen and we will respond severely.
>>29251028
Flattened by what, Sherlock? Certainly not this bullshit artillery lol.
>>29251028
Never, ever post again.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a6212/north-korea-and-flattening-seoul/
http://nautilus.org/napsnet/napsnet-special-reports/mind-the-gap-between-rhetoric-and-reality/
>>29251099
You just let everyone know that you are an ignorant person.
>>29251106
Shit man, you posted that Pop Mechanic link just before I could. Good find, nevertheless.
Most important excerpt:
>Barring the use of nuclear weapons or large-scale bombing runs, destroying a city requires an extended campaign of shelling and demolition, the likes of which the world hasn't seen since WWII. When the Chechen capital of Grozny was all-but-destroyed by Russian forces in 1999, it was the result of months of artillery and missile bombardments, as well as air strikes. There's no doubt that North Korea's massive deployment of artillery, and potential deployment of roughly 300 ballistic missiles, could wreak havoc on Seoul and its population. What's clear, however, is that a sudden barrage of shells and missiles would only mark the beginning of a battle for the city, not an apocalyptic fate....
>>29251106
According to your weak sources, it would never happen as long as the North doesn't do x, or y, or even z.
What a load of trash - and it was written with a different leader in power - Kim Jong Il, not Kim Jung Un.
Keep up to date. Stay informed. You know one of their military cabinet heads was gunned down over the weekend, roger?
>>29251185
>According to your weak sources
You meanwhile, have provided zero sources.
>, it would never happen as long as the North doesn't do x, or y, or even z.
No, it says even if the DPRK abandoned any military strategy and simply devoted all artillery to shelling cities, your claims of "flattening "Seoul are bullshit.
>What a load of trash - and it was written with a different leader in power - Kim Jong Il, not Kim Jung Un.
Go ahead and post a source demonstrating a serious increase in DRPK artillery concentrations since 2012.
>Keep up to date. Stay informed. You know one of their military cabinet heads was gunned down over the weekend, roger?
Strange, you said "stay informed" and then posted something that has absolutely nothing to do with DRPK artillery concentrations.
>>29251185
It still doesn't change the fact that very few military forces on this earth can completely raze and demolish a city the size of Seoul in hours, barring the use of a multi-megaton nuclear weapon, which the Norks don't possess.
So copy that, mouth-breather?
>>29251185
>one of their military cabinet heads was gunned down over the weekend, roger
Right. Meaning that all of the sudden, the military capability of NK rises to a superpower level. Fuck outta here. If anything, the North would be more liable to do something retarded.
>>29250942
How the hell did Kim Jong-un find /k/?
Or do you honestly think Korea is still as powerful as it was in the 50s?
>>29251361
I'm not sure how either, but he's running amok. People here are seriously overestimating the power of a crumbling regime so weak that it's had to develop nuclear weapons (shitty ones, at that), to even prevent it from getting backhanded and casually swatted by the United States.
So far, according to the commie synthesizers in this thread, the first hours of the war will look like this:
- NK flattens Seoul using conventional artillery. (How? Who gives a fuck, right?)
- US sits around with thumbs up its ass. (That seems realistic, right?)
I think if it really came down to it, there would be mass defections on the NK side. Similiar to the Iraqi army (both in the face of the US, and ISIS). I don't think they'd actually 'fight to the last man' at all.
Especially not when you consider whatever foe they are facing would employ Psy-Ops of some kind, even if it was as basic as leaflets that say 'lay down your arms and come to X checkpoint for a free pass out'. Or simply just China saying 'X border crossing is open' they would probably flock there in droves considering it would be their one and only chance in generations to get out.
>>29251111
"Bullshit" is a word that can very well used to describe their artillery. When they shelled that SK island few years back, they found that one of four shells were duds. That sort of fail rate would be unacceptable by any standards and really speaks volume about how Norks are relying on decades old ordinance instead of upgrading because they have no means.
There is not going to be any "flattening" of Seoul. It won't be unfazed, mind. There will be structural damage and casualties far higher than anyone would like to admit, but the damage will be limited and retaliatory counter battery would be quick.
>>29250850
>>29250830
Look at these fools spouting nonsense as if they know anything but jackshit.
Russia would absolutely love it if Korea were unified. They have been trying to build a natural gas pipeline through North Korea to reach the South Korean market for years. So far that has not been possible due to the complexity of such a diplomatic negotiation and agreement, on top of the fact that the North Koreans would likely steal/siphon a significant amount of gas and threaten to use it as leverage against South Korea. Russia is desperate to diversify its natural gas sales since sanctions have been applied against it.
>>29251593
Some little oil pipeline doesn't mean shit, you retard. Russia likes having NK as a buffer state. Do you really think they want the US up their ass? There's only one thing the Russian's are more scared of than democracy, and that's the paranoia of being surrounded.
>>29250830
I need a clarification here, is a dud a round that doesn't make it out of the barrel for whatever reason, or is a dud charge that doesn't detonate properly after landing?
>>29251667
Use your eyes. Clearly the shell left the barrel, hence how the SK knew it was a dud. If duds didn't leave the barrel, NK wouldn't admit it.
>>29251667
A dud in the sense that it wouldnt detonate when it hit the ground or any proximity and is instead just a heavily slug.
