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CZ v. Sig who wins?
1. from a price stand point CZ absolutely wins, however why is the CZ cheaper? Is it of lesser quality? I am an idiot who can't tell the difference between quality between HK and Glock. Please inform/school me /k/.
2. what gun is used more by government, military and police departments?
3. what gun has more aftermarket parts and customization.
4. ergonomics and trigger.
Thanks /k/!
>>28878910
>who wins
Do your own fucking research. At the least, you could of listed specific models but no, you're just trying to insinuate a flame war like the fag you are.
>>28878922
S..sorry.
P-01 v. P229 both in 9mm. I mean me asking subjective questions shouldn't warrant a flame war does it?
>>28878910
1. CZs are made by slavs. They will have tooling marks all over the inside of the frame (doesn't affect function). The CZ finish is shittier. Besides that, no real difference.
2. In the US, Sig Sauer absolutely. Worldwide who knows, CZ clones are pretty popular. This doesn't matter though.
3. Sig probably wins here.
4. Sigs have better triggers, especially with that delicious SRT. Ergonomics are subjective. Lots of people really like both handguns in that category but the only answer I can give is that you have to try them yourself to find out what you like better.
>>28878940
My local range only have Glocks and MPs... I mean I don't like either Glocks or MPs. The only gun I love shooting is their 92FS, however its pretty big. I want something the size of a G19 but in DA/SA. Am I out of luck?
>>28878969
P229 or P-01 compact would both be good guns. Consider if you value being able to carry it "cocked and locked", assuming you intend to carry it. Otherwise, you'll probably have to just do it. If money isn't a concern I would go with a P229. You can also find old surplus P228s for like $400, FYI.
>>28878910
>CZ wins for price
Why? German engineers get paid more.
Naturally the benefit is also the Sig is a german design.
No substantial difference aside from obvious features (SIgs usually have decocker + safety, with the CZs you usually have to decide between them)
2
Sig is used more by police departments.
Not because it is a superior design, they (P226 and SP-01/P-01) are both great designs, Sig have naturally been around for a long time and are respected for the reliability and functionality of their design.
The P-01 and it's full length variant have been around for a comparably short time, but the P-01 is issued to Czech LEOs, so it and the steel framed SP-01 are required to adhere to similarly high standards.
And the CZ 75 platform itself basically being an evolution of the Browning Hi-Power pistol, it is naturally a very reliable design.
3
Sigs have been around for much longer, but CZ 75s have a large following in recent years so its hard to say for certain.
Custom gunsmiths should be able to modify either all just as easily.
4
They are both really well received DA/SA designs, the steel framed SP-01 & tactical are said to have amazing recoil, but it lacks the finish of all the bevelling and chamfered edges of the Sig.
You really don't lose either way, CZ SP-01 and amazing budget handgun design and a great shooter, and Sig with the sheer aesthetic and additional man-hours of machining going into refining every detail expected of a German design.
I say again, you really can't lose either way.
>>28878997
>You can also find old surplus P228s for like $400, FYI.
Not op but where? I know aim had israeli surplus 228's but that was last year.
>>28878910
1. Glock
2. Glock
3. Glock
4. Glock
>>28879047
Gunbroker, pretty much. Sorry, I had forgotten that all of AIM's Israeli surplus dried up.
>>28879010
>Sig 1853
>CZ 1917
Both companies have been around long enough TBPH.
Overall the Sig used by police are older W.Germans/German Sigs. Now a days no department use anything from Sig Sauer, especially Exetershit Sigs. CZs are still producing CZ75 for police throughout the world. So for modern usage CZ wins.
>>28879067
>Both companies have been around long enough TBPH.
How is this even a fucking consideration?
>beretta wins because it's over 400 years old fuck you
>>28879090
>read up on Beretta
>muskets used in the civil war were Berettas?
WTF?
>>28879010
>decocker safety
>Sig Sauer
Pick one and then kill yourself retard
>manual safety
>on a da/sa gun
I will never, ever, ever ,ever and I mean ever, get this meme.
>>28879151
By the fucking British, yes. The Muskets US forces used were given to us by the French.
>>28879067
>Now a days no department use anything from Sig Sauer, especially Exetershit Sigs.
Well this is complete bullshit
Beware of fanbois on both sides OP. Both of these guns are great. Sig has a reputation of being very high quality which leads to better reliability. The CZ has a reputation of being an excellent accurate shooter and feels great in hand.
>>28878910
I would say it's the same as Glock vs. HK. Both are equally functional guns, but one is for a person who has $800 to spend and the other is for a person with $500 to spend.
I don't know about the P-01, but I've got a P-09 that has no tooling marks to speak of and the finish is great.
I don't have any numbers in front of me, but I've heard that CZ has more LE and military usage worldwide, probably because it's cheaper. Which is why you shouldn't base a purchase on what LE and Military uses.
I couldn't really tell you about aftermarkets. If you're talking grips and sights I would guess they're about the same, but Sig would be easier to find. I would guess they're about the same as far as internal customization too.
Sig has the better trigger, but I prefer the ergos of the CZ 75.
>>28878910
>CZ v. Sig who wins?
Sig
>1. from a price stand point CZ absolutely wins, however why is the CZ cheaper? Is it of lesser quality?
Yes. Sig wins because you get what you pay for.
>2. what gun is used more by government, military and police departments?
Sig
>3. what gun has more aftermarket parts and customization.
Sig
>4. ergonomics and trigger.
Sig
CZs are nice and I would take one over a Beretta 92/M9, but I'd take Sig over CZ any day.
>>28881249
The tooling marks occur on the inside of the frame. You don't tool a polymer frame.
>>28878910
Once you pass the ~$550 mark in handguns you start hitting steep diminishing returns. A Sig will generally have a nicer trigger, smoother controls, and an easier takedown.
There's nothing wrong with the CZ75 though, it's comparable to similar GLOCKs, S&W's M&P series, Springfield's XD series, and pretty much everything else around $550. That's right around where you get something worth showing off.
>>28881283
Your entire post is lies and opinion.
>>28882465
If they are opinions how can they be lies?
>>28882476
>>28882493
Of what I said, what was a lie?
>>28882511
I am too lazy to post everything so...
1. opinion
2. lies they are both same quality
3. lies CZ is used more worldwide
4. lies CZcustom + Cajun gunworks
5. opinion
>>28882527
God this post is beyond wrong.
>>28882527
Oh my
>>28882527
Anon anon anon....
>>28882527
This is what CZ desperation looks like. What I said about Sigs is true and you know it.
>>28882707
>>28882646
>>28882639
>>28882553
Hey now, seeing as CZs and their clones are the darling of competitive shooting right now, I would at least say that anon has point 4 right.
CZ has a lot more 3rd party options for parts and accessories than Sig, and it's more viable to 'build' a Tactical Sport analogue than it is to 'build' an X-6.
This follows on with point 5, that while factory (and factory upgraded) options probably favor Sig, you have more completely personalized ergonomic and trigger options for the CZ.
But yeah, quality-wise, it's no question. Fit and finish, smoothness of function and controls all go to the Sig (unless you compare to Sphinx or similar not-CZ, or are only looking at custom shop models beyond the normal P226 vs CZ75 debate).
>>28882805
>CZ has a lot more 3rd party options for parts and accessories than Sig
except that's wrong
>>28882805
>it's more viable to 'build' a Tactical Sport analogue than it is to 'build' an X-6.
it's a similar argument to say that more people are modifying Nissan Skyline's to have similar horsepower to a McLaren F1.
Yes, not many people go out and modify products that don't require it. Even so, there are far more options for aftermarket sights, grips, barrels, holsters etc. for Sig Sauer's than there are for CZ's, there just are senpai
>>28881522
Yes, I was talking about the slide doesn't have tooling marks and is well finished. I didn't realize the tooling marks meme only applied to the frame.
>>28882839
>>28883011
Alright, I'll admit that as a competitor, I'm coming from a different mindset and am looking in totally different places than you guys. For tactical holsters and sights, sure, Sig has more options. Grips, nah, plenty of options for both.
But electronic optics, slide rackers, gas pedals, and notably, controls and trigger enhancements, obviously CZ comes out ahead.
I honestly hadn't considered holsters because I do my own kydex, but I can certainly see why more choices would be appealing there, considering how personal holster fit and function is.
>it's a similar argument to say that more people are modifying Nissan Skyline's to have similar horsepower to a McLaren F1.
No, firearms are simple devices. The difference between the two is not nearly so large as that. They literally have the same 'horsepower.'
>>28883116
clearly youve never looked at a cz
>>28878940
>Sigs have better triggers,
no
>>28883213
Yes
>>28883235
No, my 75b has a better trigger than any of my sigs.
Hell my 82 has a better trigger than any of my sigs.
>>28883244
That's cute
>>28878940
>SIGs have better triggers
I've literally dual wielded the damn things (yeah, tacky as fuck, but I wanted to try it just once in my life. It's fun and you should try it too) and the SIG P226 has a worse Trigger than a Jericho.
Fuck SIG triggers (at least the SA).
Extremely long takeup with a heavy final pull.
>>28881283
>he bought into the legion meme
>>28883267
>SA in DA/SA
>extremely long take up with heavy final pull
Tha fuck are you talking about?
>>28883244
I would put Sig's mast shop flat trigger's against anything available from CZ desu senpai
>>28883299
>he bought into the "everything is a meme" meme
>>28883257
Your mother is cute.
>>28883306
So CZs stock triggers are as good as sigs $2600 competition guns?
I agree.
>>28878910
Owned a Sig SP2022, fucking hated it. Extremely top heavy, grip was fat and hand was low on grip, trigger was pretty mediocre. Okay value for the price but taught me that bore axis is a real thing that does matter.
Tried another Sig - P320 fullsize. Same complaints. Top heavy, high bore axis, grip didn't feel very ergonomic. Trigger was pretty good but didn't like the size or shape of it. I think the only Sig that would feel reasonably well balanced would be a 2xx, something with a Steel frame but the bore axis and low grip would still not work with me.
Finally decided to try a CZ 75 P-07, was like it was tailored for me. Perfect grip size and shape, exceptional balance with low center-of-gravity, good trigger shape that broke at the right place, and muzzle flip and recoil impulse was by far the smoothest of any 9mm I've owned (7 or 8), even better than my Glock 34. I actually like the grip and balance of the P-07 more than a standard Steel CZ 75 and fucking finally I found a 9mm Pistol I don't have an itch to trade. Nothing against Sigs, they're okay for the money, but I thought they just felt wrong in all the wrong places for me.
>>28883312
>he bought into the "everything is a meme meme'' meme
>>28883313
thanks senpai, u want her number?
>>28883199
That's disgusting. Even more so when they make the P-09 look fine but can't be bothered to do the same for their other guns.
>>28883336
I loved my P220, I love my P239, I love my P226...
I didn't really care for my SP2022.
>>28883351
I got the 1-800 number off her tramp stamp already, thanks.
>>28883337
I think it might be time for you to get off of the computer and get ouside for a bit.
>>28883371
Must be someone else's mom then. My mom hates tattoos.
>>28883384
Have you seen your mothers upper ass lately?
>>28883373
>the "outside"meme
>>28883401
>>28878910
German Sig > CZ > American Sigs IMO
My american sig was the worst handgun I've ever owned by german one was one of the best, but it seems american sigs have gotten better but I have such a bad taste in my mouth from mine, coupled with shit service I will never fuck with them again.
Pretty much this
>>28883244
>>28883354
im fairly sure polycoat exists to hide how shitty czs finish is
>>28883313
>Sig 1911s
God god, why?
>>28883482
I don't have a dog in this fight but Sig's 1911's are very nice out of the box, fwiw
>>28883503
I just can't get into Sig 1911s and I'm a huge Sig fan.
>>28883477
P-09s are nitrided though. Must be new line/tooling for the P-07/P-09, hopefully filters back to their other budget/duty models eventually.
>>28883482
One is a 22
The TTT is pretty and has a very smooth action but my Ruger shoots better.
>why
Jumped on good deals and profited off purchasing them.
>>28883400
>pushes you into sandbox and steals your hotwheels
I mean since we're obviously on the playground and all...
>>28878910
>CZ v. Sig who wins?
The good manufacturers.
>>28883373
>he bought into the "outside" meme
CZ's have a very nice design with the slide riding inside of the frame. Like the P210 and Pardini GT's this is a great platform and why there are so many CZ clones out there.
I'm a Sig guy but can recognize CZ's for what they are and to me that is a very nice pistol for a very nice price. If they had a reputation for better quality/reliability they would probably be right at the very top along with Sigs 2bh.
>>28883555
Sorry, I forgot that the outdoors doesn't exist and life stops when you get off of the computer.
>>28883545
Ill take some pictures next time as I'm taking that as a no.
>>28883568
Go for it
>>28883512
I don't own a 1911 but if I did I would probably go Colt. I was just pointing out that Sig 1911's are quite nice out of the box.
>>28883566
oy m8 dont get too zozzled
>>28883596
I've got a Springfield, but if I were to buy another 1911, I'd either get a Colt or just go all out and pick up a Wilson Combat.
>>28883566
>>28883600
>snowdays
Oh my goodness, they're both really great. The edge goes to Sig, but they're more expensive. Just get one, you literally can't go wrong
>>28883565
Do CZs have a reputation of being unreliable?
>>28883636
I've heard more cases of CZs being picky about ammo but I can't confirm.
>>28883636
Not less than Sig, who have never been able to quite figure out how to make a proper extractor.
>>28883636
well relative to Sigs or Glocks.. yeah. I think they just lack that extra quality in manufacturing.
like I stated, imho they are great guns at a great price
>>28878910
Ive owned three sig's (one 228 and two 226's). I also own a CZ.
1. The CZ was cheaper, but a red-label sig is about the same price.
2. The Sig is definitely more widely used by military and LEO's in the US, in fact that's why 99% of people even buy sig, because muh seal team
3. Sigs probably have more aftermarket, but its honestly about the same, not a whole lot of other options besides sights, grips and a few variations of trigger components and springs.
4. CZ wins on ergonomics every time, probably one of the most comfortable guns to hold and shoot ever. The Sig's would be better if they didn't have that lump on the left side below the slide release. As for trigger, the Sig double action is better, the single action is about the same but the sig has a longer reset in its standard form, with the short reset kit though its much better.
>>28883663
>CZ wins on ergonomics every time, probably one of the most comfortable guns to hold and shoot ever.
I would say this is mostly true, but I do love, maybe even prefer, the feel and ergo's of the P228/P229
>>28883267
>implying a Jericho is a CZ
>implying a Tangfolio is a CZ
>implying an Arcus is a CZ
>implying comparing an $1100 competition CZ's trigger to a $600 duty/CC Sig's is a fair comparison
>>28883749
>$600 sig
Nobody mentioned the 2022 you faggot.
>>28883401
ebin
>>28883776
>paying $600 for an SP2022
>>28883776
These guys did:>>28883366
>>28883336
So there's that.
Also you can get a NIB base-model P226 for $600 pretty easily. The only CZ's you'll find in that range are new P07's and used 75B's.
>>28883749
>implying a SIG P226 isn't comparable to a Generic CZ
>implying a Jericho isn't mechanically identical to a CZ
>implying a huge amount f other things.
>>28883823
CZs can actually function with the stock extractor, though.
>>28883301
It has a good quarter inch pull that's barely noticeable and then locks up like a motherfucker before letting the hammer go.
It's a pain in the ass.
I love their DA though. I honesty wish I could get CZ SA and SIG DA in one gun.
>>28878940
NH Sigs are really hit or miss on finishes. >>28883650
My SP-01 has been the most reliable gun I've owned. It's even everything I've put in it.
>>28883657
How does "quality in manufacturing" relate in any way to reliability?
>>28883823
Fine.
>implying a Canik isn't mechanically identical to a Sig
>implying a Lionheart isn't mechanically identical to a Sig
Two can play that game if you wish to include clones.
>>28883808
>So there's that.
Touche.
>Also you can get a NIB base-model P226 for $600 pretty easily. The only CZ's you'll find in that range are new P07's and used 75B's.
You are comparing a really good deal on a sig to msrp on the CZ. A standard 75b at a good store around here goes for $500-$550 and sig 226's (not red box) are $700+.
>>28883832
>How does "quality in manufacturing" relate in any way to reliability?
how does it not? lol
>>28883336
> I actually like the grip and balance of the P-07 more than a standard Steel CZ 75
same, I actually didn't care for the steel CZ 75 at all and event found it uncomfortable, but the P-07 fits like a glove, and I don't even care for polymer guns. I'd even take it over a USP
that said I am a SIG guy and my pistol of choice is my german P228, I've heard mixed things about new SIGs compared to old ones but if you're deciding between SIG and CZ OP you just need to go to handle them (and preferably shoot them if possible) and see what you actually like better. All of the major brands these days are going to be mostly reliable and accurate and it's down to preference of features more than anything
>tfw I got a used CZ-75 BD for $300
What color should I cerakote it?
>>28883838
>Caniks are SIG clones
>lionhearts have SIG triggers
>lionhearts are SIGs like CZs are BHPs.
>>28883828
No shit.
Though the SIG I've been using works fine with the stock extractor too...
>>28883859
I just think it's illogical to say that SIG and Glock are more reliable because they "lack extra quality in manufacturing". What does that even mean? Is it the metallurgy? The fit? Cosmetic quality?
>>28883921
Rather it might not be illogical. It's just an out of your ass response.
inb4 hi power
>>28883853
an actual CZ is pretty fucking expensive around here. A base model SP01 is $750+ and Shadows are $2000+, yet we're swimming in base-model (non-red-label) Sigs for $599-699. Moreover since our county carries Sig P229's there's a humongous used market as well as every gunstore carrying a ton of aftermarket parts for Sigs.
On the other side of the coin, though, CZ *clones* are dirt cheap. You can find Jerichos all day for $400 and EAA/Tangfolio Witness Compacts for $200 even NIB.
>yes this is subjective, yes it is circumstantial, the point is that one isn't cheaper 100% of the time over the other and there is a large spread in price going up through the models.
>>28883650
I had the exact opposite experience. I get far more Sigs than CZs brought in by customers. The Sigs are often the high end models (X-Five & X-Six) and picky as fuck about ammo. In the last 3 months there were 3 X-Five with some problems (one of them has been to SigSauer 2 times already). No major problems with the older models so far, except normal wear.
In comparison, so far I only had 2 CZs (both 75s) brought in for major problems. One had bulge in the barrel and the other had bubba triggerjob which made it unsafe to use. They will eat just about anything though. Normal wear of parts like the SIG.
Over the last 1 1/2 years I have put around 6000 rounds through my own CZ75. So far I had 4 failures to properly eject. Several hundred between each of them.
Both manufactures make fine guns and people should stop arguing about it.
I prefer my CZ due to ergonomics and because I actually got mine for tree-fiddy.
But a Sig is fine too.
>>28883960
Well, I just assumed you were in America. CZ's are cheaper here across the board. The only Sig that comes close are the pro series (250, 2022, 320 etc.).
>>28883979
I am in America, Missouri to be exact.
>>28883960
I personally haven't seen a SIG (obviously not the 2022 steaming piece of shit) new for less than $799.
The used ones go for around $600-700 around here.
The CZ pattern handguns (this includes all clones except turkshit) God for about $500-600, sometimes less (I'm still kicking myself for not getting that $300 TZ-75).
I am partial to CZs and clones, so...yeah. I'm a bit biased.
Still, either is good, however these stupid fucks who refuse to accept that SIGs might not be the best thing since sliced bread are annoying as hell.
>>28883990
Then you need to find stores that don't charge above MSRP for CZ's, or just buy online.
>>28884000
While I have a CZ (P01), I can't say it's really anything special. I also don't care for Sig's (yeah I know, wtf am I doing in this thread, right?). I'd like to point out I wasn't decrying one as better than the other, my entire series of posts has been to point out that depending on where you live CZ's aren't necessarily cheaper, and in order to get a trigger comparable to a base-model P226 you have to step up to the competition pistols from CZ, which are close to if not at twice the price of a base model P226.
>>28884001
Or I could be happy with the CZ I have and not need to buy another.
>>28884028
>SIGs have better triggers
Okay. I agree with everything but this.
They have better DA triggers.
That would be correct.
But I maintain the SA is ass.
>>28884051
I concur that the SA is ass, but honestly I think it's *less* ass than CZ's DA, and that when you combine the two the Sig triggers are marginally better.
>>28884077
That only makes sense if you shoot double action more than single action.
>>28884077
You regularly shoot DA on a DA/SA gun?
Why?
>>28883636
No. At least I haven't heard it outside among real people. The only exception is the CZ97 has a completely deserved reputation for failing to feed hollow point ammo.
>>28884110
Because my only DA/SA gun is my carry piece so I practice draw-and-fire and rarely shoot more than 3-4 rounds without decocking it.
And I think a 10lb DA trigger with 1.2" of travel before break is criminal, and that's what my P01 has.
>>28879067
The Secret Service would like a word with you, as well as the Sheriff's Office I work for...
>>28884140
Pic related. 1.2" of travel and still hasn't broken
>>28884196
For reference here is the trigger at rest.
The fact it's got about a half inch of takeup before you're even moving the hammer is pretty ridiculous.
>>28878910
>CZ v. Sig who wins?
Glock
>1. from a price stand point CZ absolutely wins, however why is the CZ cheaper? Is it of lesser quality?
Glock
>2. what gun is used more by government, military and police departments?
Glock
>3. what gun has more aftermarket parts and customization.
Glock
>4. ergonomics and trigger.
Glock
>>28884220
Heeeere comes the glockfag train! Next stop, missing the point station!
>>28884235
I think you're missing the point. Just buy a Glock and then you'll understand.
>>28884110
>You regularly shoot DA on a DA/SA gun?
>Why?
because I want that first DA press to count, so I dry fire 99% DA, at the range i shoot one DA followed by one SA then I decock and start again. I'm actually a tad bit more accurate in DA now than I am with SA
>>28884220
lol so close Anon!
4. well not in the same league as either Sig or CZ but well played
>>28884255
I'm missing the point? You're not even looking at the point. The scope of the argument is Sig vs. CZ. Two brands. Which one makes the overall better products.
We can argue the finer points of Glock reliability and customization in another thread.
