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>PAK-FA IS KILL
>PAK-FA IS KILL
>PAK-FA IS KILL
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2016/01/20/its-russias-turn-to-learn-that-stealth-warplanes-are-hard-to-do/?utm_source=Facebook
>>28629940
There is absolutely nothing new in this article. Meanwhile Russians are trying to build THF-band radar.
>RCS of a Super Hornet
>BOLTS
>No S-Ducts
>Costs soaring
>India pulling out
>canards
>Only buying 12 by 2020
>Already doing modernization programs for the rest of the air fleet because the PAK-FA is kill
>More prototypes made with still ZERO fixes to the inlets, BOLTS, RCS or anything else
It's sad tbqh, i was expecting so much more after the months of shittalking we got prior to the armata breaking down during parade
>>28629940
>utm_source=Facebook
>>28630140
Russia will have a long hard road ahead of it just to stay on parity with other world powers in air power. Without other nations subsidizing their R&D they will permanently be an entire fighter generation behind the west/China. They'll just have to focus on missiles and sensors, as usual really.
Slavaboos need to recognize that Russia is no longer a world power.
>>28630181
What you meant to say was
>behind the US
which is basically the status quo
>>28630188
I'm not trying to make US vs. world shitfest. Eurofags/50 centers get butthurt when you don't include them in the conversation.
>It would be fair to describe this [Su-35] aircraft as the pinnacle of current conventional-fighter design,” wrote Carlo Kopp, an analyst with the Air Power Australia think tank, “blending a superb basic aerodynamic design with advanced engine, flight control and avionic technology”
>Air Power Australia think tank
Oh, ok.
>>28629940
>David Axe
RIP Russia
Impressive.
Just goes to show that Russia should have just bought Chinese.
>>28630204
>I can't handle europoors so I will be disingenuous instead
>>28630140
T-50 PAK FA is going into production regardless and Armata never broke down.
Show me a country with an economy smaller than Colombia capable of creating things like PAK FA and Armata, putting people in space and keeping 50% of a space station. That's right, there isn't and there will never be one, only Russia.
>>28630691
What's it like being a tedious manchild?
>>28630204
Fun fact tho china is not in europe.
>>28630676
China doesn't have 5th gen aircraft, only fake mockups using AL-31F engines because the mockup is so heavy crappy Chinese engines can't push it off the ground.
>>28630792
>Fun fact tho china is not in europe.
Well no fucking shit. I had no clue.
>>28630754
production of 12 aircraft
>armata never broke down
of course not
they just towed it away for shits and giggles
>economy smaller than Colombia
so not Russia then?
Russia's economy is now Poo In the Loo tier though
>keeping 50% of a space station
things that never happened?
>>28630941
>they just towed it away for shits and giggles
Tried to tow away to clear the path, but UVZ makes brakes so good the engineering vehicle nearly failed trying to pull it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=540&v=AK8XkVBLbn0
>so not Russia then?
It will be smaller Colombia very soon and smaller than Poland even. And will still be putting people in space and maintain the most important parts of the ISS. Meanwhile Pshepshes will still be cleaning toilets for Russian oligarchs in London.
>>28630998
>engineering vehicle specifically designed to get these things out of trenches and mud pits is too weak to move it on flat terrain
>IT'S BECAUSE BRAKES TOO GOOD
My fucking sides
>>28630754
>In 2010 the cost was expected to be $150 billion. It includes NASA's budget of $58.7 billion (inflation unadjusted) for the station from 1985 to 2015 ($72.4 billion in 2010 dollars), Russia's $12 billion......
heh, 50% :p
>>28630754
50% by what measurement?
>>28631202
>brazils contribution is a palette
>>28631225
art in zero g?
>>28630165
just the link I clicked, even if you're not a programmer you should know this
>>28631225
They couldn't even finish the palette actually. USA got mad and kicked them out of the program.
>Brazil originally joined the programme as a bilateral partner of the United States by a contract with NASA to supply hardware.[5] In return, NASA would provide Brazil with access to its ISS facilities on-orbit, as well as a flight opportunity for one Brazilian astronaut during the course of the ISS programme. However, due to cost issues, the subcontractor Embraer was unable to provide the promised ExPrESS pallet, and Brazil left the programme in 2007.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_the_International_Space_Station
>>28631573
what was the pallet supposed to do anyway?
>>28630941
>Muh 12 T-50 mene
>What is LRIP?
Dumbfuckistanian burgerclap amerilard is mad again.
>>28631664
Storage for spare external parts and tools.
>>28631795
So...
>no need for pressurization
>hardly any electronics
>just a pallet with some kind of lock-down mechanism
>just some aircraft aluminium and plastic
>cost overruns and cancellations
how?
>>28630242
sounds more like the pinnacle of airshow-plane design.
>>28630754
just last year you slavboos were clamoring about having 2000 PAK FA's by 2020, now it's only 12.
>>28631920
>slavboos were clamoring about having 2000 PAK FA's by 2020
I'm pretty sure no one ever said that. Except for underage burger kids on /k, of course.
>>28631874
Because Brazil.
Having Brazilians onboard the ISS would be like inviting Indians or Nigerians. A bad idea from the very beginning.
>>28631967
stay mad vatnik
>>28630754
Maybe you need to look at this from the other perspective.
Russia is spending so much money trying to compete with the Military Industrial Complexes of far more wealthy nations that it's civilian sector is non-competitive outside of extraction.
Without a robust civilian sector driving demand and growing the economy, Russia will never have the economic power to actually contest the other nations in technology.
>>28630140
>>BOLTS
stopped reading there. you know nothing about stealth
>>28632351
I know that it is stealthy
>>28629940
article is about the same level of bulshit as f-35 articles on War is Boring.
yes, russia did cut down initial orders. but that is most likely because the plane with interim engines fitted turned out to be underpowered. we'll have to wait until at least 2020 to see if they can get the 5th-gen engine done right.
>>28632017
Russia's Great Power status has never come from its economy.
>>28632351
Pak-fa has bolts instead of hexes because Slav tier engineering
>>28631755
>I-i-it's just LRIP the orders haven't really been cut and the engines are totally finished cyka!
Kek
So much slavboos crying in this thread
>>28630140
Russians actually refused to let Indians fly them, because they were scared they would figure out that Tejas has a better RCS than them.
>No rivets
>No canards
>Small airframe
>Composite body
>Y-ducts
>Orders for 120 confirmed
>>28630754
Technology is sticky, but innovative minds are fleeing Russia.
Russian economy is collapsing.
>>28635965
We simply produce more. 3rd most effective tertiary education on earth.
>>28636020
Efficiency is unimportant.
US is rich enough to just throw money at every problem and semi-interesting University research. US can afford it, Russian can't.
>>28630140
>Muh bolts
Literally all aircraft have them in some way. Here's a photo I took of an F-22 with a ton of them
>>28629940
>blogs.reuters.com
>>28631202
NASA paid the Russians to build and launch those components. To keep the Russian space program alive and kicking and to get access to surplus proton rockets.
>>28636207
Now compare those to the bolts on the PAK FA and you'll see why people bring it up. Even China is doing better with their J-20.
>>28630181
TBQH I dont think many people will fall for the J31 meme. I wouldn't arm my banana republic with them. I'd defo go for su-27s.
>>28636349
>Su-27
>Not based Su-35
Stay pleb senpai.
>>28636349
> I wouldn't arm my banana republic with them. I'd defo go for su-27s.
Falling for the cheap fly-away cost as a poor country buying fighters is like the guy who buys a 30 year old used sports car thinking he's got himself a bargain.
It's the maintenance where they get ya.
>>28638650
J-31 wouldn't be any better, using RD-33 derived engines
>>28638747
That's why you buy F-16s or Gripens.
If you can't afford at least that much you shouldn't be playing with fast jets anyway.
>>28631202
>Brazil's pallet (Probably Taurus Pistols strapped together
>Japanese "Experiment" Module
>Europe/Italy: Two modules smaller than the hentai experiment module
>Canadian Space Crane
Lockshills so btfo that they need to find faults with other jets to cover up their shit
>>28629940
This blog has absolutely no substance
>/k/ is replying anyway
>>28631202
>>28638927
>>28636304
That's a really old picture. A lot of the original Russian components were decided they weren't needed (eg. the US section would provide power so the Science Power Platform wasn't needed) or consolidated (1 research module replaced the planned 2).
>>28638650
Except maintenance of the j31 would probably be as bad given Ruskie engines and maintaining the stealth coating and all the other bells and whistles.
>>28630140
>canards
You just went full retard.
>>28636308
Nice moving of the goal post
>>28639092
And some of US components canceled, like Habitation Module and Centrifuge Accommodation Module, really old pic.
>>28630181
>that entire post
literally [citation needed] the post. Ameriboos are just as bad as slavboos. Just like how it was during the Cold War really.
>>28639314
Reality. Russia is an economically broken kleptocratic paper tiger. Or have you forgotten that the Sochi games cost 5 times what the London Summer games did for a fraction of the events and incomplete venues. And ~25 times more than the Vancouver Winter games.
They can trot out all the fancy demo weapons they want like the PAK-FA and the T-14, but they can't afford to match numbers with NATO.
The PAK FA is going to blow the F-35 away.
>>28640251
Russia favors cheap and reliable over expensive and bug ridden. The US can only compete by getting other countries to sanction Russia.
>>28636207
Yeah, Russians just haven't mastered the mysteries of countersunk bolt technology.
>>28636304
Nope. Most of ISS, and pretty much all of the radiators and power systems, went up in shuttles. Russians have nothing that could lift payloads that size and really have nothing that could assemble them in space.
>>28640345
>Russian equipment
>Reliable
That's why everyone drives Russian cars and flies in Russian aircraft.
>It could, however, help Russia maintain its aerial edge.
Implying there is an edge to maintain
It's like an aeriel led pipe
>>28636020
>efficiency total enrollment in tertiary education
>Finland 3rd
Pretty shit metric desu. You can enroll however much you want. Output quality matters a lot. Our courses are pretty babbied down
t. Finlander
>>28640397
Just mass produce Su-35 and call it a day
>>28640345
>Reliable
That's why fighter foreign sales include multiple spares of the engines and multiple returns to Russia for overhaul, right?
Meanwhile an American fighter's engine is usually good for its entire operational lifespan.
![taxi-test-of-the-second-mass-produced-j-20[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ks5joJv.jpg "taxi-test-of-the-second-mass-produced-j-20[1].jpg")
Meanwhile J20 enters LRIP
So much for 2018 ETA
>>28630016
>THF-band radar
Top fucking lel. A 20 meter long stick with a pressure sensor on the end would literally be a better detection device.
You now, /k/, say whatever, but in the confrontation between Russia and NATO all these tanks, fifth-generation aircraft, special forces and so on... it all doesn't matter. Real war with Russia is already over. Globalization and capitalism won the war.
>>28629940
Called it so long ago amid a storm of russhit tears. if the Indians don't want any part of it it's guaranteed shit
>>28640469
Comparing J-20 to F-35 or PAK FA is like comparing a $30 fake Chinese Iphone clone to a real Iphone and a Galaxy S5.
This piece of junk has no stats, no achievements, no nothing. It's literally a paparazzi aircraft, where some government employee takes pictures of it and pretends he is a civilian leaking these images to the internet.
>>28641154
>comparing a $30 fake Chinese Iphone clone to a real Iphone and a Galaxy S5.
It can do absolutely same thing and more but without fancy trademark?
>>28641154
The airplane can shoot single rank bomb, it will two rank aerolite favor left and right still move in middle screen, if it send out shoot wipe aerolite, the shot will Dissapear.
The airplane can shoot double rank bomb, enemy and our side shoot double rank bomb. Will block off by aerolite
>>28630792
>Fun fact tho china is not in europe
Yet.
They should wait 15 years. By then, they will go into a path to become a food and commercial superpower with the permafrost disappearing, the rest of the world becoming increasingly hungry, and the artic opening new oversea trade routes between Europe, America, and Asia.
>>28642487
>being this delusional
>>28643158
Climate change is a bitch.
>>28643182
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maunder_Minimum
It is also not real. Just fluctuations based on solar cycles. Earth has gone through countless ice ages despite CO2 levels being much higher than they are now.
>>28643243
Sure, whatever you say. Say hello to your corporate overlords for me.
>>28643312
I sure will, while I buy their coats for the upcoming snowstorm.
>>28643356
>it snowed once so global warming doesn't real
seriously m8? The past couple decades have been getting consistently hotter, and the hottest year on record was last year. Instead of arguing that climate change isn't happening because it still gets cold on occasion, you could at the very least try to make people take you more seriously by arguing that there's not enough data to prove humans have anything to do with it.
>>28643427
We saw a similar rapid drop in temperatures during the middle ages, well before man made climate change would have even been possible. Climate changes all the time, we are simply more aware of it now.
see: >>28643243
AND, even it was real. You don't need to worry about it. Global solar installations grew 34% from 2014 to 2015. In 15 years most energy will be from renewables. There is heavy exponential growth.
>>28635965
>Bottom of chart
>Worst than Greece
>Brazil
Orgulho de ser brasileiro, valeu Dilma.
>>28636415
a flanker is still a flanker
more kills in airshows then it ever will get in combat
>>28644666
Underrated
>>28630140
>RCS
>BOLTS
>No S ducts
I feel bad for the project. The plane had so much promise not unlike the entire Su-47 program.
The gap between the engines was always going to increase the RCS profile, but the absolute failure of the engines is what made this plane tragic.
Even the Yak-1 didn't burn down as much during testing.
>tfw the russians found out the hard way that making a stealth aircraft out of the Su fighter baseline was stupid
>but the engine fires are what killed it
What a strange world we live in.
Russia hasn't really progressed past soviet tech. It's kinda sad.
>>28643524
>Rapid drop in temperatures
Yes. That's winter for you. There's still more energy and more violent weather around, including huge winter storms that used to happen every fifty years coming every five now.
The barely noticeable increase in average temperature doesn't matter much. It's that barely noticeable increase in energy feeds more powerful weather systems and changes previously reliable climate patterns.
>>28643243
Why does the majority of the scientific community disagree with you? Is there some conspiracy you think?
>>28647953
Russian economy is completely dependent on oil and an overall joke.
They don't have the money for groceries let alone fancy new military technology.
>>28648192
If Italy really wanted to, I bet they could probably win another Cold War with Russia.
>>28648229
Italy lost against fucking Ethopia, they are a joke of a nation.
>>28648400
>dueling incompetence
I would pay real money to see this...
>>28648400
Hold up, Ethiopia was receiving arms from everyone in Europe who wasn't Italy, and was a semi-competent state back then.
>>28648229
Yeah, well Lamborghini is better than all Ford vehicles, so you could say Italy has already defeated the USA.
>>28648708
Yeah, that would explain why Italians can't even get 20% of their youth employed.
And Ford still makes more revenue than a Lamborghini, and Tesla Model S goes from 0-60 much faster than all but the most expensive Lambos ever will.
>>28648708
>Gallardo
>Better than a GT
>>28649309
Gallardo
> AWD & RWD options.
> Stick or paddle shifters.
> Eye catching to the ladies.
Ford GT
> RWD only.
> Stock only.
> Eye catching to all the lady's fathers.
What was the question again?
....also, I always thought the ford gt was some 50 years old...its fucking new, 2000s+ hahah GT a shit.
>>28648498
No they weren't.
They defeated Italy, because Italians are incompetant. Read up on their exploits in WW2, they got holed up fighting...wait for it.... GREECE, and so Germany had to fight the North African at a much later date than they wanted to do so, and so screwing everything up.
>>28649236
everything south of rome shouldn't count.
Lamborghini is owned by VW who makes more than ford, and VW makes cars faster, and nicer than any tesla.
>>28649625
>and VW makes cars faster, and nicer than any tesla
Is that why they are caught up in the biggest automobile scandals in decades? Can't even get the emissions checks right, sounds real smart to me. Stock is garbage, and CEO already got fired.
Damages might be in the tens of billions, but mindshare costs will probably be in the +100 billion in lost revenue from sales all things considered.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal
>>28649782
Cool, I'd still rather own a porche over a Tesla.
>>28649851
Cool. VW is still going broke, nobody wants a Porsche, Tesla is still the #1 selling luxury brand, and your opinion is still shit.
Also, your gasoline car will be banned in a number of Europoor countries, starting by 2020 in Paris. Something to do with emissions cars giving you cancer. Hmmmmm.
>>28649927
US car sales. Cool.
VW isn't in risk of going broke. You don't understand how large they are.
Tesla's are nice, but they aren't well built and their powertrain is shot after 3 years. Lithium Ion isn't a long term solution. They are a fad car for the ultra wealthy.
>>28642385
Here is your 50 cents
>>28648192
Hmmm, a graph that puts china on top and refers to taiwan as a province of china? def not made by a chinese person.
>>28629940
>David Axe
>Carlo Kopp
As a PAK-Fist, it infuriates me to know of the amount of disinfo that Americans are sperging out just because they have a seed of fear in their hearts.
>>28650042
Eh?
Taiwan belongs to China. That's undisputed. It's a province of China.
The question that people get prissy about is if it's a province of the Republic of China or the People's Republic of China.
>>28649588
Yes, they were.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Italo-Ethiopian_War
>18-25k Pastamen
>80-100k Ethiopians with guns
>Another 100k with spears
>Ethiopia was getting guns from russia
They defeated Italy for a variety of reasons, namely that the Italians were outnumbered 8-1 by a force that was better equipped than any other force in Africa. Imagine how much progress the British would have made had half of the Zulus had guns.
>>28644666
lel
>>28652172
Its really no worse than the F-35 threads about a year ago, before it became cool to like it.
>>28631202
canada literally made a fez hat
>>28649927
>Tesla is still the #1 selling luxury brand
>>28652597
This is wrong, the anti F-35 threads were shills who were trying to provide disinformation. The difference is that all the bad things about PAK-FA is true unlike the ones about the F-35.
>>28649927
i dont know how to properly state how stupid you are. Tesla is a tiny company that the creator doesn't give a shit about. I would love a Porsche and im not the only one. VW is in no danger of going broke just making less money and paying fines. VW will bounce back
>>28629940
I can tell you what is kill
Tu-95 is kill!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8ZzVXZgRrQ
Just build an airforce made exclusivity of drones already.
>>28653060
Beautiful.
>>28652172
>a seed of fear
More like a harvest of mirth, m8.
>>28652773
Nice bait.
gotta start screencapping these threads to shove them in your faces in 2017 when jet will enter mass production. but then again, that would be just petty and ultimately achieve nothing
>>28643427
>>28643427
except it wasn't.
Global temperatures have been plateauing for the past decade and a half. Numerous scandals with data used for studies that claimed temperatures were rising showed that it was all bullcrap.
gtfo Al Gore
>>28648040
remember that time Al Gore predicted massive amounts of hurricanes would happen because of global warming?
And then the US had many years of extremely quiet hurricane seasons?
lol.
>>28652172
>seed of fear
>F-22 already numbers 184
>F-35 already in production
>both have better features than the PAK-FAG
>fear
>>28652773
the anti-F-35 crap was basically Pierre Sprey sperging out everywhere in an attempt to stay relevant with his 1970's fighter jet philosophy
>>28653432
So it was not leaking tanks no defence against lightning or wonky software?
>>28653415
I'm more worried about what it will do humans and our ability to produce food and places to live. It is also pretty clearly acidifiying the oceans.
>>28655603
Actually CO2 levels are below optimal for plant growth right now. Increasing CO2 levels would actually increase crop production, not the other way around.
Ocean acidification has more to do with humans using the Ocean as a large garbage dump than anything.
>>28631755
It's always so easy to spot when some slav is grumpy because they string poor insults together till you damn near need a translator to figure it out.
>>28631795
I'm impressed that Brazil is so incompetent they couldn't build a space-use storage bin and tool box. I bet even North Korea could've managed that.
>>28655818
>this
Fun fact, we're only 150 ppm above where plants suffer mass die-off.
Also, the Ocean Acidification is the result of cherry picking data and ignores cyclical decreases in oceanic pH.
