Why are SIG's so expensive? It's like HK tier at this point. Why get pic related when you can get a Glock for $400 cheaper
SP2022 is glock priced
>sig
>full metal
>sexy
>glock
>plastic shit tier gun
Sig gets you quality and durability (or a fucking anchor if you fell for the meme).
Glock gets you a grenade.
>>30656807
>SIG
>rust when you look at them funny
>Glock
>perfection
>>30656696
>Why are SIG's so expensive?
Rainbow gun is not cheap, Anon.
>Why get pic related when you can get a Glock for $400 cheaper
SEALs felt the same way.
>>30656816
>SIG
>quality and durability
>>30656779
this. also the p250
new glock 19s start at $539
>>30656696
Sigs have literally no advantage over a glock except the looks if you like them.
>>30656696
Ironically, the Legions are really the only Sigs that are actually worth the Sig price tag. It's the regular models that haven't had the trigger work that are a poor value.
>>30656825
I've probably abused my sigs more than anyone and I've never had them rust or jam
And both are shitty for ergos in their own way.
Glocks have shit grips and triggers, Sig's have shitty placement of controls.
>>30656816
>>30656825
>>30656832
>>30656842
>>30656844
how 'bout them sour grapes?
>>30656962
>spent 500$ too much on a gun
stay mad bro
>>30656977
>thinks all sigs cost $1000
>>30656837
>p250
>DAO
At least it's actually DAO.
Glock's trigger doesn't allow for second-strike.
>>30657003
I used to actually own one and the trigger pull was 5.9 lbs. It wasn't bad to shoot at all once you got used to the longer trigger pull.
>>30656696
Cool maymay faggot. I bet you got your Glock in 10mm, too.
>>30656696
>not owning 3
>555-come-on-now
>>30656696
Sigs and HKs are for people who want to spend more. They don't do anything better than a Glock or M&P. My P2000sk has a better trigger than my P-09, P1, and Glock 21, and a tighter lockup than all of them too, but it doesn't make me shoot any better.
>>30656816
thinking the anchor trope isn't worth the couple of bucks for the 1913 rail instead of SIG frankenshit, corrosion resistance, and an extra maagzine
>>30656696
I cry about the price of SIG's all the time. I had a P228 decades ago and sold it like a dumbass. Replacement cost is intimidating on my budget.
Every time I see the price of a new one I want to kick myself
>>30656696
>Why get pic related when you can get a Glock for $400 cheaper
I don't know where the fuck you're getting a glock for $900
>>30656832
>Why get pic related when you can get a Glock for $400 cheaper
>SEALs felt the same way.
I think you meant the Military Procurement office felt the same way.
>>30656696
>Why get pic related when you can get a Glock for $400 cheaper
Well you came to the right place if you're looking for people who hate high priced guns only because they're poor.
I think a better question is: If you have $1000, could only buy one handgun, and whatever money is leftover is burned, would you buy a glock or a sig?
>>30657024
>what is tap and rack?
>>30659933
i know your pain double dubs
first handgun, enlistment present to myself, P228 2005, west german 500 USD
today, M11A1 (p229 with p228 labelled grips, an extra magazine and a super kitsch UID barcode), after taxes and NICS and rebate 800 USD
>feels
>>30657024
what is DA SA
>>30660150
>Hang fire
>HURRRR, JUST TAP RACK!
Right, because you want the round detonating out of battery.
>>30660202
DA/SA is fine, too.
Glocks are neither. They use a "safe action" which is basically a single-action that doesn't rack all the way when the slide is racked, leaving you to finish the cocking when pulling the trigger.
>>30656696
yay sig thread!
i need advice /k/ i need a budget gun and want a sig. should i go p250 or sp2022?
>battle of the budget sigs!
>who wins!?
>you decide!
Pic related fag boy
>>30657003
i like dao for a cc gun. from what i've heard 250s have good triggers.
>>30656962
>glawkfags itt
>>30660287
Depends. They're two completely different pistols with Sig Sauer written on both of them being the only similarity. It all depends on what you intend to do with it whether it is for cc, hd or just plinking.
SP2022
>DA/SA
>pretty much a budget P226 if you will
Get it if you really like the traditional P-Series Sigs but cannot afford them.
P250
>DAO
>shares holsters, frames and mags with the P320
>great if you like the P320 but squeamish about carrying a striker for whatever reasons despite it being perfectly safe
I used to rag on the P250 so much but I'm curious myself as to how the DAO handles on it. Double action isn't really a big deal so many people on here make it out to be. People hate DAO because it requires additional training to get used to the longer trigger pull and they aren't willing to spend the time and effort into learning how to use it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsoX26OhDCY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZplH6zreQI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nod5qLlSGUM
Still, also consider the P320. You can find them for $500 new and have extremely good triggers.
G19 and Sig 320 are comparably priced
Just got this, unfired, for $660 as my first handgun. Its just so sexy I couldn't resist.
>>30660538
I really need to get my hands on one of these.
>DA/SA with decocker
>.380
How is the trigger?
>>30656844
Can anyone comment on the quality of the Legion series?
>>30660589
Felt buttery as a biscuit, my friend. Not nearly as much recoil as I expected either.
>>30656696
because Glocks feel like garbage.
i have yet 2 shoot a glock that didn't feel terrible in my hands.
>>30661931
>implying that comfort is the pinnacle of self defense technology
No matter how comfortable your pistol is, the bullet is gonna hurt the other guy a lot more than it hurts you, and for the price point, Glock hurts the enemy just fine.
Do not be a puss puss and complain about poorly made gun in your fist. Poorly made Nugget and Pepesha served the motherland just fine, and they were cheap POS
How are the SIG 1911's?
>>30656825
Glocks are great guns but they're far from perfect. I've owned 6 in total and 2 had problems from the factory. The other 4 were in fact perfect without any wear or faults but still, that's 1/3 of them having problems. Fuck that.
As for sigs. The PVD Nitron coating is as rust resistant as anything aside from cerakote and you can get a sig that's cerakoted if you want. The frames are aluminum. So the "sig's rust" meme is really only valid on old and improperly cared for guns. I don't hear anyone going on about how S&W revolvers rust either even though I've seen more of them rusty (even the chrome ones) than any other model of gun you can think of.
Sig has polymer guns that are both excellent and priced very competitively with Glock.
Now, if you really want to criticize Sig's metal frame guns I'll give you a clue, rail wear. You do need to use high end grease on the rails to keep them from wearing quickly. So make fun of them for that but also realize they shoot about 1000x nicer than a Glock.
>>30656696
The polymer models are within glock range p250, p320, pro series
>>30659933
>I had a P228 decades ago and sold it like a dumbass.
How'd you end up on 4chan grampa? lol
>>30656867
>shitty placement of controls
I love the Legion's trigger, but absolutely hate their minimized slide release. Who the fuck decided to make it that way and why, I wonder.
>>30661985
>Glock hurts the enemy just fine.
So a hipoint is sufficient enough. And it's signifigantly cheaper than a glock. Why bother with a glock? Why do you hate money?
What a stupid fucking argument.
>>30666467
>Who the fuck decided to make it that way and why, I wonder.
It's literally a P224 slide release. That's it, really. It does let you put your thumb over the grip without causing the slide to fail locking open on the last round.
Don't hate on Sig, they tried to actually salvage the only redeeming feature off the shitty ass 224. Hell, I might buy one and put one in on my 226.
>>30656696
>Why are SIG's so expensive?
Because they can be. Not much more to it than that. Only thing that extra money really gets you over say, a P-01 is maybe a nicer finish internally. And a bunch of MIM parts of questionable quality.
>>30660287
>i go p250 or sp2022?
Both good, up to you to decide if you want a DA/SA or (very light)DAO. Also, the P250 also has the whole modular thing going for it. Personally the P250 is probably the only new SIG I'd be interested in buying...glad they didn't drop it from the lineup when the P320 came around. Hope they don't for a very long time.
>all these poorfags
Everyone should have at least one Glock and one Sig.
>>30660107
>I think a better question is: If you have $1000, could only buy one handgun, and whatever money is leftover is burned, would you buy a glock or a sig?
this
>>30667289
>buying a glock
>not building ur own with a timberwolf or polymer80 frame
>>30660107
>Well you came to the right place if you're looking for people who hate high priced guns only because they're poor.
>only because they're poor.
SIGs are legitimately overpriced and overrated, especially post-Cohen. I'd rather spend SIG money on a Sphinx or worked over CZ.
>>30667420
Glock
>>30667501
I like factory warranties, shits nice to have just in case
>>30667100
Here's a reason to buy the meme anchor: no MIM parts and the short extractor. Sig is still under contract to produce the MK25 with the same parts and manufacturing technique as they used to manufacture the p226 Navy, developed in 1980ish. The MK25 has the added rail, anticorrosion internals, and night sights.
Is Sig still having major QC issues? I know that there was a whole slew of them after they got bought out by those textile guys and Sigs started being manufactured in Exeter.
>>30667574
>no MIM parts
>>30667574
>Here's a reason to buy the meme anchor: no MIM parts
Did not know this. Cool.
Talk me out of buying a pic related.
>>30662005
bretty gud
but for the price you might as well get a Colt
>>30667607
I've owned 3 separate newer sigs, 320, p229 legion and 938. I've also shot many more and generally been part of the "scene" locally for a while. I did have an issue with my 938. As a lefty, I believe I wash pushing the takedown pin out accidently with my thumbs, not sure, I could just have easily damaged the spring while cleaning it. Regardless the pin would come out a little and lock the slide while shooting. This happened 3 times and I sold the gun.
Other than that no complaints and I've had issues with my Glocks and others too.
Sig 320 is one of the very best polymer guns you can get right now. Metal sigs are also extremely nice shooting but if your measure of a gun is how much you can abuse it, just get a Glock.
>>30662005
Not to be "that guy" but sig doesn't make a 1911.
>>30667760
Do it. I has one and love it.
>>30667918
Yes they do, I'm staring at it on my nightstand as I type this
>>30667925
>squarish slide
>external extractor
>possibly a rail
It's not a 1911 you're looking at.
>>30667941
you're totally being "that guy" right now
>>30667972
Yeah, does it at least have a 5" barrel?
>>30662005
>>30667786
>>30667918
>>30667925
>>30667941
>>30667972
If you want a pricey 1911(or sorta-1911) get a Dan Wesson. Otherwise just get a damn Ruger.
>>30667987
The Ruger 1911 is the way to go IMO, unless you're brand loyal to something else. Personally I'm left handed though and haven't seen one with an ambi safety at any shops.
>>30666497
A Hi Point cannot perform as well as a Glock, while a Glock can perform as well as a Sig.
>>30668031
Not necessarily true.
I've had more malfunctions with my g19 than my C9. Both have about 1000 rounds through them.
>>30667972
Btw. I'm not saying it isn't an excellent gun... It's just not a 1911 anymore than a saiga is an ak-47.
>>30668048
Sheeeit, that's fucked up. Have you tried sending it in to get fixed?
>>30656696
Is this a good deal?
German Sig Sauer P226 in 9mm single/double for trade. I think it started life as a police service weapon, but I am not sure. The finish is beat up (read "character"), but rifling is great and internal function is very smooth. I replaced the decocker, hammer, and recoil spring(s) with factory parts when I got it in trade.
It's sporting a set of trijicon night sights, Hogue finger groove grips, two holsters, and five 15rd mags (three factory.) I also have the original box and documents from 1989 when it was born. The pistol is a great shooting gun with the smoothest trigger I've ever felt on a handgun. This Sig routinely outshoots my buddies $1200-$2000 1911s in his hands and mine.
Gais, I'm torn between a Sig P226 Legion or a Browning Hi Power to buy as a full size, steel frame service pistol. The Sig is one of the best handguns in existince if you ask me, the other is beautiful and has a lot of history around the world behind it. Note I already have a Glock 17 as a training/ home defense pistol as I'm already familiar with it, so I want this more as something wonderful to keep in the family for generations.
>>30668118
>steel frame
SIGs have aluminum frames.
>Note I already have a Glock 17 as a training/ home defense pistol as I'm already familiar with it, so I want this more as something wonderful to keep in the family for generations.
Get the Hi Power.
>>30668076
I don't think there's anything wrong with it per se. I've had 2 malfs with the glock and 0 with the hi-point.
I was just saying that a glock or a hi point can perform "as well as" a sig.
Why did Sig do that whole tacky Legion thing? Secret club shit Felt a bit douche chilly.
>>30668148
>Why did Sig do that whole tacky Legion thing? Secret club shit Felt a bit douche chilly.
They've done far worse...
>>30668148
Because it was a great marketing gimmick, and it worked. My local guns stores haven't been able to keep Legion guns stocked since they came out.
>>30668159
sig really does cater to man-children
>>30668133
That's what I've been wanting more... that said goddamn the Sig is a wonderful gun. Can't get enough of thier trigger.
>>30668148
Grayguns trigger
X-ray 3, excellent night sights
Extra machining on frame, checkering and undercut
Upgraded g10 grips
Solid guide rod
Custom cut case
Gray PVD nitron finish
Overall attractive aesthetics
Yes the secret club bullshit is retarded but there are enough tangible upgrades to justify the price difference regardless of the dumb marketing.
>>30668159
Oh shit I take what I said back. That's awful
>>30668160
I guess you're right. I saw one at my LGS and its very aesthetically pleasing, just the whole gimmick secret club thing wouldnt stop me from buying if price is right just not sure why Sig likes to shit it up sometimes
>>30668195
the only real upgrade there is the trigger.
>>30668195
Kek I wasn't saying its a shitty gun just the Legion bullshit was cringe.
>>30668233
Nah m8
>>30668238
Agreed, but worth overlooking
>>30668256
Shit that's nice, anon. If they had made a 220 I think I would've had to bought one. I'm trying to expand my small but growing handgun collection and I think the next one I buy will be a Sig.
>>30668256
the rest you listed were aesthetics. hardly worth an extra 600-700 bucks compared to an extra 226.
I mean spend the 325 on the trigger package and call it a day.
>>30668290
standard* not extra.
>>30668233
While I disagree with you I also forgot to mention it has a modified beavertail and low profile levers making it better for conceal carry. Honestly, I didn't know about the secret club when I bought it and it wasn't mentioned a selling point.
>>30668290
600-700 extra?
We're talking about $900 (with night sights) compared to $1200 street prices.
It's literally a $300 difference and worth it.
>>30668289
They're coming out with one soon. I miss my P220 and will probably replace it with a P220 Legion.
>>30668366
Guess I better start saving then.
>>30668290
While you're exaggerating price differences, you also bought a Sphinx which is just a gussied up CZ. The Legion is about $200 more than the Sphinx and a standard vanilla Sig with night sights is several hundred more than a standard CZ.
>>30668148
Agreed.
Fine pistol, but their campaign is too operator/special "swag".
My only real complaint is that Sig really was the best production gun company in the World. But in the last few years, they have opted for Gadsen flags, rainbow titanium, and adding beavertales to guns that didn't need them. Oh, and a huge line of Chinese shit accessories.
>>30658205
>Sigs and HKs are for people who want to spend more. They don't do anything better than a Glock or M&P. My P2000sk has a better trigger than my P-09, P1, and Glock 21, and a tighter lockup than all of them too, but it doesn't make me shoot any better.
These are the words of someone justifying their purchase. I say that as an owner of Sigs, Glocks, S&Ws and HKs.
>>30667514
>SIGs are legitimately overpriced and overrated, especially post-Cohen. I'd rather spend SIG money on a Sphinx or worked over CZ.
LOL! Throw good money after bad!
>>30668957
A standard CZ is a perfectly fine handgun. Just saying if I wanted to spend obscene amounts of money on a service pistol it'd probably be one of those. Or even an HK, because at least they generally seem to live up to their mythical reputation as the most durable handguns in existence. I just don't see anything special about SIGs in general - not garbage, just not worthy of their reputation or price tag.
>>30668583
>adding beavertales to guns
>opted for Gadsen flags
Even retards should be able to handle guns without getting pinched. What are you racist?!!
>rainbow titanium
sounds cute teebeeeiaghtchheee
I got a Sig P229 in 40 i love it.
>>30669442
>A standard CZ is a perfectly fine handgun.
If you say so. I've sent far too many of them back to consider owning one.
>>30668921
Are you saying that HKs don't have good triggers and nice lockup? Or that I'm saying HK's aren't worth the money to justify my cheaper purchases?
Just look at a CZ. Good guns, good design, but even I'll admit they cut corners (the machine marks on my $620 SP-01 will confirm that). Sig doesn't do that as much so you pay more. It's expensive to pump out high quality, all metal, good QC guns with tight tolerances.
>>30670795
>Sig doesn't do that as much
No, they cheap out on shit that actually matters like mediocre quality MIM small parts - and then go ahead and charge a premium anyway. Hey, as long as the gun *looks* nice...
>>30670795
>muh machine marks on non contact surfaces
Who the fuck cares?
>>30671119
Not me, I love my SP-01 more than life itself, but still, machine marks on the insides might imply shitty tolerances elsewhere since there's less attention to detail. Or at least that's what Sig would have you believe.
>>30656825
>muh perfect polymer wonder
>even muh sights are plastic
>>30660287
Do not get the SP2022 if you are concerned about purchasing $35+ mags
other than that its a great gun, no issues with mine
>>30671274
but I think that's all sig mags I believe
>>30671200
CAD/CAM Technician, here.
Unless there's a specific finish required on a surface for it to function properly, you really should not give a shit.
Question
Assuming I like the fit, how viable is it to CCW a P250 Compact in .45? I live in CA and I want an off roster handgun because I can get them legally
>>30671119
>>30671368
Or maybe people enjoy and derive pleasure from owning luxury items that have been machined with extreme precision, even if these factors do not affect the basic 'function' of the item.
This is why nice watches and luxury cars exist. Only poor people do not understand this. Are you guys poor?
>>30671433
Neither Sig nor HK even remotely qualify as "luxury" as far as manufacturing processes are concerned.
>>30671433
>luxury items that have been machined with extreme precision
See
>>30667100
>>30671062
>pic related
>>30671459
>>30671484
Just like with automobiles and cars, there is progressive scale. Some items are deemed more 'luxurious' than others, and people can and do value these attributes.
A rolls royce is more luxurious than a mercedes. A Mercedes is more luxurious than an Acura. An Acura is more luxurious than a Honda, etc, etc.
Just because some fat guy working the assembly line in Bavaria cut corners on interior of your specific BMW, doesn't mean your car isn't more luxurious and precisely machined than a ford fiesta.
>>30671513
And watches*
>>30671513
>>30671527
>Get a load of these poorfags not wanting to pay more money for weapons made of inferior materials
>>30671733
>inferior materials
I mean there may have been some QC issues at Sig (like every company ever) but nothing that indicates a widespread issue that decreases the overall quality of the weapons across the board.
You can't actually say that a Sig (or any high end pistol) categorically uses inferior materials or build quality to some cheaper brand. Some parts, maybe, but overall the engineering employed and materials used mean the pistol is more expensive to produce, and, therefore, more expensive to buy.
A sig (or, again, any high end pistol) provides an experience that many people value more than the experience provided by other makers. As a result, people buy them. I'm sorry about you being poor and all, but that's just the way it is man.
>>30668133
>Sigs have aluminum frames
You mean except for their elite lines? For example, pic related- the best mass produced handgun money can buy.
>>30656977
>thinks $500 is a lot of money
>>30671257
More like:
>buy $400 pistol
>spend $300 in trigger, sights, extended slide lock, extended mag release, mag plate, etc
>>30663532
Laugh all you like. I have two grandkids (and hopefully no more than that).
How does one avoid ending up on 4chan? I like /k/, not so much /b/ but even /b/ has its merits.
>>30656696
Why buy a Ferrari when you can get a Geo Metro for hundreds of thousands of dollars less, right?
Because sex appeal, that's why. Pro tip: What you do in life doesn't matter, looking good while doing it does.
All these poorfags pretending like their Glock is a better buy than a Sig... Whatever, denial is one way to deal with being a loser.
>>30672381
>What you do in life doesn't matter, looking good while doing it does.
That's rich, considering SIGs are some of the ugliest fucking hammer-fired pistols ever conceived.
Is it wrong /k/ that I want to buy a P220 because I love this movie? Mann almost had me with Collateral and the USP but I find the urge to buy a used W. German 220 from my LGS
>>30672462
Well... I own a CZ and yeah, they are prettier (to me) but I won't call a Sig ugly. A little too busy maybe, but overall I dig them.
>>30672466
>but I find the urge to buy a used W. German 220 from my LGS
Buy it, take it to the range and hopefully be in the next stall over from a poorfag /k/ommando shooting his police trade-in G19, his beat to shit makarov, and his non-matching numbers nugget.
>>30672466
The number of people buying Jerichos should make it clear that you're good to buy whatever pop culture gun gets your dick hard.
>>30672466
I have one. It's a fantastic gun.
Don't much much else to say...
>>30672462
>His gun has visible machine marks on the inside
>His finish is shit tier on the inside
>His gun is from a shithole ex soviet state
Stay jealous.
>>30672509
kek. I have to admit I own a few Glocks, but I want to buy something different this time and I think a Sig is going to be the way to go
>>30672561
good point, anon
>>30672614
>kek. I have to admit I own a few Glocks, but I want to buy something different this time and I think a Sig is going to be the way to go
Haha i own a G29 and a G19 myself. I also own a sig 228 and an HK USP9. They're all nice guns and they all have their place. To hell with any angry internet kid who wants to change your mind because 'stop liking what i don't like (or what i can't afford)'
>>30672651
This I love my Glocks and my Sigs. Hell, I came pretty close to picking up a USP compact as well. I even like M&Ps and Walthers. There aren't too many guns that I don't think are cool, it just comes down to what I want when I have the money for a new gun.
>>30672651
>They're all nice guns and they all have their place.
Thats how I feel. I get why some guys have 'their brand' but to be strictly loyal to one gun or company didn't make sense. Thats like saying I only like redheads and then a circa 2002 Jessica Simpson walks by but you have to stick to your dumb shit.
Does the P320 have the same Sig QC issues as the rest of their products?
>>30671433
>>30671513
>>30671869
>>30672381
>>30672432
>>30672613
>SIG
>luxury item
Only reason the P2XX's even exist is because the P210, a truly beautiful pistol, was too expensive to manufacture. And even SIGs' recent $2,000+ iteration of that model was being made using all sorts of cost-saving manufacturing shortcuts.
Paying a premium for actual quality is one thing...falling for advertising woo is another you tacky, mindless fucking faggot.
>>30672727
>Paying a premium for actual quality is one thing...falling for advertising woo is another you tacky, mindless fucking faggot.
If you think that sigs don't cost more to produce than your police trade glock, and if you think that people don't legitimately value the experience of owning a sig over some cookie cutter plastic gun, then you are literally too stupid to argue with.
Again, it's none of our faults that you're poor. How much money have you put into your glock 19 so far?
>>30672770
>If you think that sigs don't cost more to produce than your police trade glock
Pretty much any all-metal and/or hammer-fired pistol of acceptable quality is going to cost more to manufacture than a Glock, dumb fuck.
>and if you think that people don't legitimately value the experience of owning a sig over some cookie cutter plastic gun
People legitimately value owning a lot of things over a Glock, doesn't mean they've all deluded themselves into believing their gun of choice is some super exclusive "luxury" item as you have.
>How much money have you put into your glock 19 so far?
I don't like Glocks, or striker-fired pistols in general.
>>30672979
>Pretty much any all-metal and/or hammer-fired pistol of acceptable quality is going to cost more to manufacture than a Glock, dumb fuck.
>People legitimately value owning a lot of things over a Glock, doesn't mean they've all deluded themselves into believing their gun of choice is some super exclusive "luxury" item as you have.
These two passages just show how stupid (and probably poor) you really are. .
Of course a run of the mill sig is not a "super exclusive luxury item". No one is arguing that, except you, in the negative. The argument is that metal frame sigs, by their design and the materials used, are MORE luxurious than other, cheaper guns. And that this is what justifies their price.
A mercedes (to bring up a previous example) is not some "super exclusive luxury item" either. Any black man can buy a used, worn out one. But it is certainly more luxurious than what you drive.
Different degrees of 'luxury' is the entire point. A sig is more of a luxury item than a cheaper pistol. This is based on the materials used, the market perception of the item, and the engineering that went into developing the firearm.
This is super simple stuff and you're too busy being mad to understand it.
>>30672770
>If you think that sigs don't cost more to produce than your police trade glock
This
The only reason for Glock's success was the numerous contracts from military and law inforcement. And we all know which supplier always gets the contract, the cheapest.
>>30673169
>A sig is more of a luxury item than a cheaper pistol. This is based on the materials used, the market perception of the item, and the engineering that went into developing the firearm.
>This is based on the materials used
>and the engineering that went into developing the firearm.
Wild ass assumption on your part.
>>30673528
>metal frame guns have no reason to cost more than plastic pistols
Wew.
>>30673662
>There are no metal framed handguns that cost less than a SIG
>>30673864
>he thinks 1911s don't exist
>>30673191
If you work for the government in any capacity, it absolutely NEVER does well to forget that your arms, armor and other equipment are always made by the lowest bidder. Always.
>>30667941
Then what do you call this
>>30674883
Poorly cleaned and probably poorly lubed.
>>30674883
A knockoff of a 1911. The only real 1911s have a pony on them.
