Ok so I am going to be moving from Jew York to Pennsylvania in approx. a month and I need a few pointers/clarification:
>Is there a set amount of time required as a PA citizen before i can make a firearm purchase?
>Is purchase of a handgun without a CCL permitted in PA?
>Are AK's legal, if so what are the limiting factors? ie. mag size, "assault" features.
>As long as i don't have a criminally history, is there any reason for a "shall issue" state (PA) to deny a permit for a CCL?
>If AK's are legal and handgun purchase prior to permit legal, what are some good poorfag beginners choices to get into their respective fields?
https://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/state-gun-laws/pennsylvania/
>>30653014
Also I am a PA resident and the laws here are pretty good. There are some shitty things, but nothing like mag bans or "assault" weapon bans.
No semi auto hunting for example, but I think this is actually getting fought and may change.
Some weird pseudo handgun registry bullshit with the state police (I don't have any handguns so look this up, it's pretty weird)
Private sales need FFL for handguns only
>>30653084
And of course I am no lawyer so look all this up first please. Maybe somethings changed without my notice
>>30653101
Ok. Thanks. Do you know if there is a minimum time that I have to spend as a PA resident before I can purchase a handgun, or a long gun even?
>>30653350
Shameful self bump for answer plox?
Former PA resident:
>No time needed as long as you are resident
>No need for CCL permit to get a handgun
>AK's are legal and no shitty assault bans
>As far as I know, a shall issue state cannot deny a CCL without valid legal reason
Dunno about the last one and keep in mind that if you're living in Philly this shit will be totally different.
>>30653468
Not gonna be in Philly lol. Gonna be in Tioga county. Are permits county issued like NY or is it completely different.
>>30653489
Yes they are county issues, but from what I remember it's pretty easy to go about the process. Just bring some paperwork to your county sheriff
>>30653507
So say I moved to PA tomorrow, and turned in the paperwork, as long as my record is clean I should be cleared?
>>30652985
>>30653448
okay faggot get ready to learn
you need to establish residency which means have an address you live in pa and intend to actually live here
http://www.dmv.org/pa-pennsylvania/apply-license.php
get your licence and to do that you need a utility bill and a copy of the lease or mortgage you have
once you have your licence you are a de facto resident
all of the next shit will apply after you have your drivers licence
you can buy long guns, shotguns, or pistols without a permit or limit pistols are put on the pa state police sales registry and you can to face to face sales for rifles or shotguns but have to transfer pistols through an ffl
in any county except philly they are immediate issue pretty much
here is how this works to get a ccw permit
go to the local courthouse
go to sheriffs office
ask deputy for pistol permit form
fill it out completely like a 4473 but you ALSO NEED TWO NON FAMILY REFERENCES
you pay 20$ cash right there
----this is where it differs in a couple of counties now---
they either
run the background check right there, print it out, laminate it, and give you it right there
file it and you get to wait a maximum of 45 days and it comes in the mail
we have no distinction about a salt firearms or mag limits except for hunting purposes and if you care about that read up on it because its a bitch and pretty complicated as game wardens dont fuck around
get an arsenal and a cz75
also if you want to be invited to the pa kommandos slack messaging thing post a burner email youll log in to it with and ill add you we do meetups and cool shit
>>30653489
>Tioga County
Nice.
Potter (where I'm at), Tioga, Lycoming, and Clinton county has some awesome hunting and the gun community here is amazing.
>>30653084
The handgun registry is a legacy thing. It basically hasn't existed/mattered in 30 years.
>>30653741
Ok this faggot is prepared to be schooled.
burner mail : [email protected]
>>30653744
Cool beans, I'm gonna be Wellsboro. Are there any really good shops that aren't pure fudd? i was trying to find PA gun shops on google and i mainly found fudd stores or places cross state that i don't have the time to travel to.
>>30653741
In regards to the two references, in my home county in NY it had to be five people that knew you for five years that lived in the county. Does that mean in PA i will need PA residents or can i throw them some good friends from NY the live near the border/phone numbers to cal?
>>30653741
Cool!
Didn't know people had to go through so much to get a permit, (two non family references? Why what's that all about)
What's the purpose of a ccw, if you own a long gun? Can't you just carry that around with you everywhere? I'll never understand why people want hand guns, they look bulky (glocks) and unfun.
>>30653982
the first "C" in "CCW" stands for concealed, anon
you want a compact/subcompact for a carry gun
>>30653982
Yea i guess I could look like a school shooter and carry my AR all over...
Or i could not draw the attention of every concerned mom, cuck and cop in a 5 mile radius by keeping a handgun concealed...
>>30653954
I normally shop at Beikirchs in Elkland. They are nice guys there and a few fine ladys at the counter also.
>>30654013
Ok, I went to one of Beikirchs shops near Rochester, NY and I was astounded at how much they had. Shit when I went in I didn't intended to buy anything, just check it out, and they still treated me with the utmost courtesy, unlike every small podunk Elmer shop or big chain I ever went into. Plus my father always bought his powder and primers from them and the always had decent prices he said.
>>30654008
But why carry? Do you fear something? Or do you want to protect society? Couldn't you carry a folded stock ak in your backpack?
Sorry for the autism i just don't get it, I mean couldn't you establish who you are with the police department and then walk around town with your ak on your back?
>>30654007
Is a mini Draco considered concealable?
>>30654033
jesus christ I don't think you have any idea what a CCW is
do you know the difference between a pistol and a rifle? that's a start.
>>30653945
k ill send it
>>30653961
http://www.montcopa.org/DocumentCenter/View/3880
just two non family memebers thats all it says on the application
>>30653982
its not a CCW its a LTCF
licence to carry firearms
also if any other pa bros want in on the mini meets and terrible pa memes slack is for all pa kommandos
>>30654041
pistol open carry is legal here in public if you dont travel in a vehicle
you basically need a LTCF to bring a pistol anywhere other than directly to a range or gunsmith or to sell it its gay but LTCFs are easy to get so just get one
>>30654045
we dont have CCW we have a LTCF fampai
>>30654033
So much Strawman it hurts...
>Do you expect/fear to get into an auto accident? No then no need for insurance.
>Do you expect/fear a housefire? No need for that extinguisher then.
etc. etc.
>>30654045
The dumbass is using a trip alone. Something tells me we've either got an offsite troll or a genuine retard.
>>30653741
that fire seems awfully bright
>>30654026
This Beikirchs is small-ish, but, they still have a really nice variety.
I would recommend it over any other shop around the area. The prices are very reasonable for the area and there isnt two fudds standing at the counter talking about obama taking away the guns.
>>30654058
>>30653945 (You)
Thanks. Hope to be able to go to a meet up this year. I wanted to go to the PA meet up last fall but wasn't sure about transferring firearms back and forth into NY lol, That seemed like all bad news.
>>30652985
> Pennsyltucky
> Assault Features
You have much to learn comrade...
>>30654087
since creep has ABANDONED pennsylvania its on us quaker staters to meme in the woods under are own accord now
>>30654094
all you gotta know is stay the fuck away from philly more than anything
>>30654094
Well I am coming from NY, so it has been drilled in my head to watch out for those scary salt features, and baby piercing cop heating armor seeking bullets. I still have flash backs man...
>>30654058
Ahh. I see now
>>30654109
>>30654094
I have heard that so many times haha. My mothers side has family from Philly and they constantly complain about crime and shit but still love the damn city.
>>30654087
>>30653945
We meet up at least once a month to do something. We hiked Centralia about 3-4 weeks ago.
Then had a 4th of July 4 day camping trip/mini nuggetfest on my property.
Good shit if you actively lurk or post in the slacks since we never make threads about them.
Pic related
>>30653753
state police are *supposed* to destroy sales records after 10 days or something like that.
>>30653954
most PA gun shops are fudd as fuck. You'll have to get closer to philly or pittsburgh to find places that stock black rifle shit
>>30653982
PA is an open carry state. You can try open carrying a rifle, but you'll get fucked with by the police in most major towns and posssibly arrested in pittsburgh and probably arrested in philly. You can probably get away with open carrying a pistol everywhere except philly, they're liberal shitstains constantly trying to make their own rules.
>>30654033
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
dont be a faggot, triponlyfaggot
>>30654135
Always wanted to see Centralia, big Silent Hill 1 and 2 fan.
Plus
>Dat Galil hnng
On a related note do what >>30653741 said. Very easy stuff
Pennsylvania even has its own armslist knock off pennswoods.cum (ignore the cum it's com.) That is made for Face to face transfers. Iv purchased several guns off there. They even have a handgun and NFA tab (state and federal laws still apply no FTF transfer on them).
Background checks at the most iv seen take 30 min. After that they box your shit up hand it too you and a box of ammo for giggles and your on your way.
>>30654143
>they're liberal shitstains constantly trying to make their own rules.
Please just let them make their own shitty policies so it doesn't affect other people in the state.
>>30654143
You would think with CuomoBloombergistan bordering PA that there would be more scurry salt rifles for sale near the border, it is like a prime market as long as they can come up with a legal liability form to stay outta trouble.
>>30654153
http://classifieds.rennug.com
It is no longer called pennswoods for the classifieds.
Still the same website tho.
>>30654153
dont be telling people about pennswoods
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>>30654165
Why change it?
Googling pennswoods still brings it up but just a different name.
More Centralia goodness
>>30654181
Damn, How did you manage to get that shot? Looks bretty gud.
>>30654181
No idea why they would change it.
If somebody bought it, they should have just kept the name because they didn't change anything else about the site.
![DJI_0015.MOV_snapshot_05.04_[2016.06.19_21.03.25].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/9qpFbBG.jpg "DJI_0015.MOV_snapshot_05.04_[2016.06.19_21.03.25].jpg")
>>30654187
We had a drone
>>30654160
unfortunately though allowing philly to make its own (firearms) rules would in fact affect the rest of the state because PA has state level preemption of local laws.
Allowing philly to make its own rules would set precedent for legal challenges by other cities within the state and open the door to having a confusing patchwork of random, arbitrary laws that would take years and millions to fight.
fuck philly, they get in line with everyone else
![DJI_0014.MOV_snapshot_04.22_[2016.06.19_20.59.12].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/w30gZjF.jpg "DJI_0014.MOV_snapshot_04.22_[2016.06.19_20.59.12].jpg")
>>30654143
>state police are *supposed* to destroy sales records after 10 days or something like that.
girlslaughing.gif
>most PA gun shops are fudd as fuck. You'll have to get closer to philly or pittsburgh to find places that stock black rifle shit
no idea what you are talking about i live in bumfuck fudd county and literally every store except walmart has salt rifles and even most big box stores carry pistols too
>PA is an open carry state. You can try open carrying a rifle, but you'll get fucked with by the police in most major towns and posssibly arrested in pittsburgh and probably arrested in philly. You can probably get away with open carrying a pistol everywhere except philly, they're liberal shitstains constantly trying to make their own rules.
i open carry all the time as an edgelord, rifles unloaded and pistols loaded
>>30653741
who would have thought VA would be better regrading gun laws than PA. Now I know...
Hell my little shitty 200 population town is littered with ARs and ak along with fudd shit out the ass. Same with the local LGS here
>>30654210
>salt rifles.
yeah ARs and AKs sell well.
try going in and asking for something DD, or surefire, or giselle, or wilson combat, or even midwest industries or yhm.
there is only 1 place near me I can think of that carrys anything like that and their selection is still poor. Try finding something for keymod or mlok its almost impossible.
shops are getting better though. a lot more places carry supressors now at least
>>30654210
>open carry all the time as an edgelord
George Marshall disapproves of your plan
>>30654286
Also thanks for the crater in my yard that is now a pond. Had to dig a drainage ditch for it.
Tragic boating accident
>>30653961
And most counties don't check. Mine (Erie) had my card in my mailbox in 3 days
>>30654309
So basically, most counties say " oh you passed the NICS, take it and leave me alone."?
>>30654294
just make it into an outhouse.
or a shallow grave for the cranky old cunt that lives next door
>>30654324
>Cranky old cunt
Hey, if you throw them into that, it'll get that pussy wet like it hasn't seen in years.
>>30654318
My local county which is the least populated in the state gave me my CC License before they gave me the reference letters.
I walked in said hello and asked for the application. The desk clerk handed me the form asked me to fill it out there in the office and as soon as I was done she had me move one step left so she could take the photo. The clerk gave me two form letters to give to my references after she had handed me the ID. I had my printed license in my wallet in the same visit.
>>30654318
westmoreland, summerset, and fayette do that
'take it and fuck off'
>>30654348
the fuck are reference letters?
>>30652985
>Is there a set amount of time required as a PA citizen before i can make a firearm purchase?
No, once you have PA ID, you're good to good.
>Is purchase of a handgun without a CCL permitted in PA?
Yes, but, the LTCF is easy to get and cheap.
>Are AK's legal, if so what are the limiting factors? ie. mag size, "assault" features.
Yes and no limiting factors.
>As long as i don't have a criminally history, is there any reason for a "shall issue" state (PA) to deny a permit for a CCL?
Not really, unless you live in Philly because the PPD does what the hell is wants.
>If AK's are legal and handgun purchase prior to permit legal, what are some good poorfag beginners choices to get into their respective fields?
There is no permit to purchase handguns. It's two forms and then cash and carry out the door. Ruger 9E for a pistol and I really don't know a thing about budget AKs.
What county are you moving to?
>>30654474
For the two references needed for the CC my county has form letters to hand out.
>>30654486
thats gay
>>30654486
Two references were struck from the PA form a few years ago. Your county is using an out of date form which is not the only legally acceptable form.
>>30654524
I've had my current CCW for over 4 years. It could have changed in the mean time.
>>30654523
My poor truck
>>30654481
Tioga
>>30654542
Any idea where? Wellsboro, Mansfield, Liberty?
>>30654550
Wellsboro, well like 5 miles out of Wellsboro but same thing.
>>30654539
Yes, it has changed in the last 4 years.
>>30654542
You should have no trouble getting an LTCF. Are you renting or buying? Will you have utility bills. If there is a questions as you really being a resident they will go back to utility bills as proof. These are the standard requirement for someone who is a legal resident but not a U.S. citizen - been down this road.
>>30654210
> Pittsburgh and Philly
> Implying that is real PA
Most towns in PA don't really give two shits if you open carry... Hell we hiked Centralia when a bunch of families were up there and a lot of people actually commended us... One was even a police dispatcher...
>>30654258
We're a silencer co. dealer up at that gun shop I told you i help out at... Most places don't carry high end stuff but most places will give you a good deal on them and order them for you...
>>30654562
When you get there check these guys out. Just down the road in Morris, PA.
http://blakforgearmoury.com/
>>30654573
i know i open carry all the time and none of the cops care even with muh ar salt pistols or draco
>>30654580
Will do, thanks /k/omrade. I say it is nice to see a productive helpful thread on this site again lel.
>>30654594
because its pa /k/
>>30654609
Pa threads tend to shit on Texas threads and a few others . Only other one that is about as helpful are Cali threads. But that's because they are all.huddling in a corner praying to a god or gods to help them
>>30654734
It is sad that it is true for those very reasons.
>>30654609
>live in PA
>am a shitposter
>don't even own any guns
>>30654776
buy some they arent hard to get
>>30654734
Texas
>No guns signs carry force of law
>Training and fingerprints required for CCW
>No guns in bars
>Open carry only recently decriminalized
PA
>LTCF issued while you wait by some Sheriffs (my last renewal took 2:31)
>Open carry totally legal
>LTCF costs just $20/5 years no training or fingerprinting.
> Can OC, can OC in a bar, can OC while drinking
> No guns signs have no force of law.
More CCW permits issued in PA both by overall number and percentage of population than in TX.
It's not that TX is unfriendly to guns, it's just that it's the least friendly pro gun state. The myth of texas is greater than the reality of texas.
It's funny this whole thread i have been getting excited to leave NY and go to PA, and just to reaffirm that i am making the right choice, my apt. complex has had 2 muggings, 2 assaults, and 2 separate cases of vandalism to the in house laundromat in the last 2 months, and the cops were here 10 min ago arresting a tenant that happened to have done all of that. Good god NY sucks, especially if you live near Elmira.
>>30654797
IKR, i always laugh when i hear people talk about Texas like it is the lawless wild west. Couldn't be further from the truth.
>>30654784
Crazy question, my father owns pistols in NY, and if i move to PA, can i have them "co-registered" on my PA permit. ie. something happens to him or the state revokes his permit so i could take legal ownership of them?
>>30655025
Pistols aren't individually registered to the carry permit.
You don't even need the permit to own a pistol.
>>30655039
So say something happened regarding my father, God forbid, I can just walk into NY and be like " Nope can't take them asshole, my inheritance." and go back to PA with them?
>>30655025
There's no listing pistols on a permit - like there is in NY. If you have a LTCF, you can carry anything you want as long as it's a handgun. An LTCF does not cover rifles. You can't carry a load rifle in or on a vehicle.
>>30655048
Yes. But, if the pistol is in NYS, you are subject to NYS laws at the time you take possession in NYS.
>>30655048
I really don't know what to tell you on that one. You could do a state to state transfer and really if you want to inherit them do it before he dies.
>>30655048
you take the pistols asap and run them over the border and if anyone from NY asks you dont answer and tell them to fuck off
>>30655126
My gut says that's wrong, but my logic driven brain says "stop being a pussy cuck and get this over with" lol
>>30655126
>>30655254
Sak is right, theres no way for them to prove that you have them and theres no way for them to prove they werent given to you legally
PA cant enforce the NY laws and NY cant enforce NY law in PA or the PA laws and the ATF doesnt give a fuck so long as they arent't stolen or illegally modified. No one is going to waste the time and money unless someone REALLY REALLY screwed up and they're out to get you.
Its not legal per se, but unless you take out a full page ad in the sunday paper and have a parade then no one will care
>>30654825
>elmira
Fuck Elmira.
>>30655396
Moobs quick, who makes the best US made, leather cowboy hats?!
>>30655766
The Japanese. Sperm whale ballsac skin. During the summer they loosen up to allow you to sweat better. Winter time they snug up to your head to trap heat
