9mm sbr for SHTF/chimp out?
Thoughts? Opinions?
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but thats not an uzi
>>30652050
>9mm
>SHTF/Chimp out
Top KEK
>>30652160
ey yo hol up.
u gon need one dem fotays namsayn senpai.
Stay indoors and you'll be safe.
In the super rare occurrence that someone breaks in, shoot them with anything that works.
There you go.
>>30652160
Now why is that? People always talking shit on 9mm. The round killed plenty of people in WWII battles and today in the modern age as well.
Doesn't shot placement count more than caliber?
>>30652050
Something that is not flashy
>>30652233
I've seen anons claim this to be fake
But I'm not too sure myself
>>30652274
Sounds pretty realistic to me, even if fake.
A 9mm sbr would be just fine for either of those situations. Many options are now available concerning ammo, and it would be pretty common in a SHTF situation. Just don't try any Lee Harvey Oswald type shit and you'd be okay.
Can someone enlighten me as to why anyone would ever want a rifle that uses handgun ammunition. Lack of maneuverability paired with a weaker cartridge. Seems pointless.
It would be OK but if it's rifle size and rifle weight I'd rather have a cartridge like 5.56. If we're talking tiny stuff like a MAC or SBR'd pistol then I'm down.
>>30652050
It's fine. If you shoot hot loaded 9mm it'll have plenty of power to take on most encounters you'll face. 9mm is extremely plentiful, and has a shit ton of varieties.
An SBR will be great for close quarters too, though you could easily argue a 5.56 sbr would be superior to it.
>>30652420
That's just it, it isn't a "rifle" and isn't meant to fill the role of one, either. It's a carbine with higher capacity, better accuracy, and a force multiplier at close range. It just happens to be handy that it shares ammunition with your sidearm (or someone else's), assuming it is also 9mm.
>>30652050
This thread is pure night /k/.
>>30652296
was going to say the same thing. no real inconsistencies or glaring errors/of omission.
>>30652050
better than nothing
sbr ak would be better
>>30652050
Good:
> 9mm is popular with dindu and lawman alike, easy to find in the field.
> Excellent mobility for CQB
> Compact Size good for a vehicle drivers while providing more utility than a pistol
> Can share ammo with sidearm if sidearm is 9mm.
Bad:
> Accuracy and ballistics not great > 50 yards
> Barrier penetration somewhat meh
> stopped easily by last-gen soft body armor and helmets
> Limited magazine size (AR/AK have 30+ round mags, this has 20)
> Very Bad against even slightly up armored targets (Think truck with 1/4" mild steel plate)
It's an option but you'd be equally served with a SBR AR/AK, and gaining medium to long range performance.
>>30652897
>equally served
no
>>30652050
Literally no reason to SBR a 9mm anything when you could SBR something in a caliber that will actually do something, like 556.
Pistol ammo is too heavy anyway
Is the Upper and lower of the Evo 3 plastic?
Has anyone here ever shot a 5.56 in a sbr without suppression?
The mother fucker is loud!!!!
I had the money and the options. I chose a AR instead, 9mm is fun but sbr rifle>sbr pcc every day.
>>30653378
A lot of that is wasted powder.
>>30653352
Why not just get an AR pistol with one of those legal stocks, and save yourself the stamp?
In general, what's superior about a SBR 9 OR 5.56 over a pistol+stock?
Get a damn AR.
>>30652424
Is the trigger on that a bolt/screw?
I dont know much about types of triggers, I guess that could be standard
>>30652204
Nah man 9mm can't kill, u mite as well us .22
Go for big man gun
>>30652175
Pol please go
>>30653539
The ability to really shoulder it w/o worrying if the ATF is gonna buttfuck you over a BS charge
>>30652897
A god damn pistol with a red dot can hit people at 100 yards, how is a carbine somehow inaccurate at more than 40?
>>30652454
Basically, it's a handgun with more firepower and should be used as a handgun would
>>30652424
is that a G36 stock?
>>30653772
I thought we were talking SHTF here
>>30653772
I thought there was a legal non-stamp pistol stock out there... is that claim exaggerated? Is it only legal to put the stock on, but not to shoulder it, or something?
9x19mm out of a decent barrel length carbine gets you .357Mag performance. That's not too bad.
And interchanging ammo with your sidearm is useful too. The fact you can carry a lot more ammo than intermediate or full power cartridges is nice too. They're also more easily concealed.
In urban SHTF environments, you won't be taking long range shots anyway.
I'm not a huge fan of the EVO3 though because the first batches we got here in Euroland were pretty brittle. The polymer rails would chip when cropped and crack easily if optics were overtightened.
The APC9 would be a better choice.
>>30653755
It's a rubber sleeve on the trigger because they have nasty trigger slap
>>30653872
I think it's custom for that gun because there's also this non-folding version. There are some other stocks, including an AR adapter so you could put a brace on there and keep it a pistol
>>30653352
120gr 9mm weighs about the same as 55gr 5.56
>>30653968
>9x19mm out of a decent barrel length carbine gets you .357Mag performance
stopped reading there
>>30652050
>sbr
>chimpout
a .22 would work well enough for a chimpout, desu, but if you want shit to really get fucked up, just get a folding stock AK. cheap ammo, plenty accurate enough for chimpout.
>>30653967
The totally-not-a-stock "arm brace" is legal, and it was legal to shoulder, but after 5 gorillion people sent letters to the ATF about the legality of shouldering eventually one of the letters came back saying that buying the stock with the intention of shouldering it is illegal. I've not heard of anybody being charged for it.
>>30653765
>everything i dont like is /pol/
>>30652050
SBRs don't have any of the advantages pistols have (concealability) or full size rifles have (ability to engage long range targets). Even a shotgun is better, because of the wide variety of ammo it can shoot (and increased per-shot lethality at close range. Dead men tell no tales).
>>30654028
>stopped reading there
>Take 4" .357Mag measurements
>Read carbine length 9x19mm measurements of similar bullet weight
>???
>PROFIT!
http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/357mag.html
http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/9luger.html
Granted, if you're going with a long barrel, you might as well go for intermediate cartridges.
>>30653968
>In urban SHTF environments, you won't be taking long range shots anyway.
In which case, either a handgun (increased portability) or a shotgun (increased lethality) is a better deal. Pistol caliber SBRs don't really have any purpose unless you're making them en masse for an entire battalion.
>>30654081
Weight advantage though.
>>30652233
but I just bought a new tactical outfit
>>30654088
>In which case, either a handgun (increased portability) or a shotgun (increased lethality) is a better deal. Pistol caliber SBRs don't really have any purpose unless you're making them en masse for an entire battalion.
Extends your accurate firing range though and is far far far easier to reload competently than a shotgun.
Yes, magazine fed shotguns exist, but magazines are bulky as hell to carry for few rounds.
But yes, I know what you're saying.
>>30652050
There are so few situations where a PCC is the best choice. A chimpout/happening is not one of them.
every god damn Pistol Caliber Carbine thread ends the fucking same
no wonder people keep avoiding them
>>30652050
A 9mm sbr for civil unrest is perfectly fine, if you need to shoot someone at relatively short distances or going out during that event, it will serve you wonderfully.
A good gun for shooting people from the roofs is a .22 with a can. Silent and it will will create a no-go zone for rioters.
I have been trough 3 general chimp outs in Argentina, last one in 2013.
>>30652233
Most of /k/ would be dead if they had to endure half of what we did.
>>30654516
>we
Are you lying or am I just a new fag who's never even seen this name fag before?
>>30652050
Theoretically could one buy the scorpion pistol, buy the stock kit and install it!? How would anyone know
Friendly reminder that the original 8 inch barrel is ballistically perfect for 9mm, anything longer, ie the carbine version, actually serves to slow down the projectile
>>30653968
>9x19mm out of a decent barrel length carbine gets you .357Mag performance.
No it doesn't. Unless you're comparing a 2in .357 to a 16in 9mm carbine with +P, then maybe.
>>30655178
They wouldn't, but if they ever did find out, your ass is going in federal pound you in the ass prison for 5-10 years. Bye bye gun ownership.
It's like littering. Chances are you will never be caught. But if they do catch you, it's a $500 fine.
Be much better to buy a brace and stick it on the gun if you don't want to wait for a stamp.
>>30655202
>Friendly reminder that the original 8 inch barrel is ballistically perfect for 9mm, anything longer, ie the carbine version, actually serves to slow down the projectile
Except evidence has already been posted in this very thread that the switching point seems to be 14"-15": http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/9luger.html
>>30655225
>No it doesn't. Unless you're comparing a 2in .357 to a 16in 9mm carbine with +P, then maybe.
See >>30654081
>>30652050
It gives you no real advantages over an SBR in 5.56. If you are in a SHTF scenario, you likely will only be able to carry one rifle. The 5.56 has a lot more versatility than a 9mm. It's got better range, accuracy, and stopping power. Everyone's SHTF rifle should be chambered in .223 or 5.56 if for no other reason than it means that we can all share ammo when we join raider gangs.
>>30654718
He claims he was in Bosnia as a kebab, he gives you reason to wish the Serbs has succeeded.
>>30652050
Will literally never work
If your gonna go for a pcc during shtf, id reccomend the hi point carbine, as theyre cheap and reliable. you can arm multiple people
>all these evotards
>not accepting the MP5 master race
>>30655461
>not accepting the MP5 master race
No automatic BHO
More annoying routine maintenance
Muh roller replacement requirements
Requiring aftermarket to make it ambi
Requiring aftermarket to mount optics
Muh stampings
I kinda like them, but you can't exactly call them modern.
>>30655501
>A fucking polymer czech made gun
>>30655461
Youve never had to work on the trigger of one.
>>30654718
Just another obnoxious tripfag on /k/ who lies about being present during the Yugo Wars with absolutely nothing to back it up. He's not the first to do this.
>Voj-"I killed an entire Serbian T-54 crew with a bayonet"-nik
>>30653777
> Can be done
does not imply
> Consistently done, quickly
>>30655527
>heavy
>short barrel
>recoil reducing brick that results in no recoil reduction while throwing off balance of weapon
HK trigger packs are fucking ez to work on, everything is large and nothing shoots out
>>30655507
>A fucking polymer czech made gun
I suggested the APC9, actually.
>>30655547
You didnt read the posts anon was responding to were you?
You just opened your mouth and spilled bullshit out
Please tell me you will never breed
>>30655563
>an actual meme gun with 0 spare parts in this continent
>>30655601
>an actual meme gun with 0 spare parts in this continent
Well...
>implying I'm on your continent.
Also, stop referring to guns as memes, you blithering idiot.
>>30655624
If you live in a 3rd world place like europe 5.56 is a better idea since illegall commbloc guns everywhere.
Also there are still 0 spares for that gun anywhere
>>30655639
>If you live in a 3rd world place like europe 5.56 is a better idea since illegall commbloc guns everywhere.
What does commbloc have to do with 5.56?
Either way, I don't own pistol carbines. I own intermediates that are barely larger, covering both bases with 5.56x45 & 7.62x39.
Both of my carbines would be considered SBRs in the US, which is just plain silly.
>Also there are still 0 spares for that gun anywhere
I don't own one, but I've heard no complaints from owners here. B&T stands by their products, I have some of their accessories like quadrails, etc. You can just mail them in case of issues & often they'll just send you parts for free.
>>30655701
>What does commbloc have to do with 5.56?
You are going to be dealing with rifle threats
>B&T stands by their products
>happening happens
>extractor on swiss watch snaps off
>"Dont worry guys ill just give them a call"
>>30655737
I was obviously saying you could contact them ahead of time for spares, you sperg.
>>30652050
The appeal of the PCC is just cool factor. You don't really gain much from putting a common handgun cartridge in a marginally longer barrel. A .355 JHP at 1400fps isn't going to perform much differently at 1600fps.
They do produce less muzzle blast than rifles, and as such they're quieter when suppressed. Thats pretty cool, but not in itself a deciding factor.
The new CZ and SIG MPX are both sexy firearms, I'd love either of them, but if something needs to get shot I'm throwing rifle booleets at it.
This is what you need.
Thread/
>>30653968
Your first sentence proves you should be working at a small gun shop, seeing as how you know nothing about them apparently. At least people expect fud to be spread there
>>30656036
>Your first sentence proves you should be working at a small gun shop, seeing as how you know nothing about them apparently. At least people expect fud to be spread there
Do you have ANYTHING, really ANYTHING at all to refute what has been said and proven by links to Ballistics By The Inch posted in this thread.
If so, please post. If not, stop trolling. You're cancer.
What are the Mechtech 'uppers' like?
Did someone say 9mm sbr
>>30653765
>somebody makes a racist comment
>POLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>30652050
>SHTF
You'll want an intermediate or full sized cartridge and a longer barrel (AR-15, Ares SCR, Ruger Mini, AK, battle rifle) so you can use the same gun for hunting food animals and for defense. If you're allergic to semi-autos and/or live in California a "scout" bolt gun or a lever action rifle would also be good options. SBRs are mostly useful for close quarters oper8n and static home defense, neither of which you will be doing much of in SHTF/TEOTWAWKI.
>chimp out
SBRs are fine but I'd rather have something with a bit more punch than 9mm. My personal choice would be an AK "pistol" in 7.62x39.
>>30656151
>>30654503
Isn't that a pellet rifle?
Please tell me more about the chimpouts, I've read some stuff about the collapses from FerFal.
I think if you are going to have an sbr i think 300 blk is a must.
>>30652659
>would be better
>no explanation given
Yeah, except heavier, louder, significantly heavier from ammo and mags.
Definitely better.
hurr durr if youre going to use an sbr ak a regular rifle ak would be better
then a snaiperxXx rifle would be better
then a tank would be better
>>30652897
Do you not realize that detachable magazines vary in size, and because it ships with a 20 rounder doesnt mean that's what it's stuck with you stupid fuck
Also if you think you're going to be shooting at an armored truck with a 9mm carbine you have no right to be posting here
>>30657353
That's only if you're going for an AR platform. 7.62x39 has the ballistics that 300blk was patterned after and works in a bunch of other platforms.
>>30656979
What is that rifle?
>>30658109
Ares SCR with wood furniture. It takes Remington 1100 stocks so you only need to figure out a standard AR-15 sized handguard in wood.
>>30656993
If you do this, is your Glock legally a rifle from now on? How does the law work on these?
>>30656358
What is this beautiful monstrosity.
>>30654718
I have nothing to lie about but I've never really made a thread about it anyway.
>>30659196
The Mechtech CCU in particular is ATF legal, has a >16" barrel, and doesn't require any stamps or BS for modifying in either direction. I'm not sure how they managed to make the NFA make sense like that, but it's cool.
>>30652050
I don't have much to add to the thread except that 9mm SBRs are pretty great.
>>30654718
>or am I just a new fag
yes
There is only one 9mm SBR that you fags should consider and thats the mother fucking storm. This gun is so sexy chicks expose there titties just to hold it. During a chimpout, the chimps will go to college, and get a liberal arts degree when they here you have one.
>>30656637
You're brakes gonna wreck your rail
Safe Queen detected
>>30660188
>You're brakes gonna wreck your rail
>9mm muzzle blast gases after 12.5" of travel
>first chamber is 1cm after the end of the handguard
>Safe Queen detected
yeah sure thing bruv
>>30655501
I'm not a fan but for entirely different reasons. I like the MP5 guts but hate the handling
>crummy grip angle
>ambi safety hits the web of your hand
>charging handle notch pinches skin
>mag release is right where my finger wants to sit
>steel construction is as heavy as an AR
It just ain't comfortable for me.
>ALL THESE SHIT REPLIES
The best SHTF weapon is a 9mm handgun. It's mobile, easily concealed, and uses a common round.
If you're carrying around some tacticool shit SBR, you will be shot by some panicked mall cop or anxious homeowner. The 9mm handgun avoids that future and allows you to protect yourself in case of emergency.
It's not cool but it's practical and that's what matters.
>INB4 all these faggots start saying but muh effective range, muh fire superiority, muh blah blah blah
kill yourself if you believe any of that nonsense.
>>30659196
You can convert pistol->rifle->pistol legally. But if it started as a rifle you cannot convert to a pistol. ATF is weird.
>>30660188
Muzzle pressure for a typical 9mm load at 12.5" would be around 1,700psi or lower. His rail is perfectly fine.
>>30660720
Heavy is good on a SMG. The other things are either personal preference or would be alleviated by wearing gloves and/or training.
>>30660783
>I play call of duty: the post
9mm AK's are the sexiest thing ever
It will work, but you are limiting yourself. Cheap and common with pistol ammo is the only thing going for it.
Go with a 16 inch AR in 5.56 for more range and power. If you have the means to SBR and hoard ammo, 300 Blackout. A short AK will do too.
9mm is limiting yourself.
