Turkey Coup Attempt
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What went wrong /k/?
Not seizing all major media in the initial movements
>>30648296
using conscripts
They did not shoot down Erdogan and then arrest the PM.
A single f16 could have won the coup.
>>30648317
this, one of the worst coups in fucking ever
>you do coup at sunrise so you catch all the ministers and politicians at their known adresses and dont face resistance
no
>you take the targeted partys high ranks under custody, you take prime minister and the president under custody as first thing
no
>you take electricty and internet down so no gathering happens
no
>you take over all the media buildings and tv broadcasts and tell people to stay home
no
>you invade and take control of key buildings like governors office and police department and the ministrys at the capital
no
>you do it country wide
no
>you do it or not, you do not surrender like retards
no
>you do not let the presidents plane land when you have total air control
no
>>30648376
That was weird that they didn't
>>30648296
>not firing on the civilians and police trying to stop them
>not waiting to ambush kebab at the airport after he landed
>>30648412
This
We could've done a better job
>>30648376
>>30648441
>>30648412
Idunno man, I'd say the Turkish army is fucking retarded but they've successfully done this before. Something made them squeeze the trigger early.
>>30648317
>>30648376
>>30648412
These.
Although I think the Turkish military was purged to the point where they couldn't do half of this shit.
I think they just couldn't get enough dudes together to make it happen.
>>30648494
I have read that Erdogan was going to purge some generals in the next few months, so their hand was probably forced. But yeah they totally should have shot down his plane, no brainer...
>>30648376
were there any f16s under rebel control?
>>30648296
it was a false flag conceived by erdogan to clamp down on dissent
>>30648545
This, the whole thing screams fake. Who orders citizens to take to the streets?
It was a desperate move by generals who knew they would be purged from the army, there are rumors that these generals have been planning the coup for a long time but when they heard news that they would be arrested within a couple of days they shit their pants and made a shitty attempt at a coup.
I think the remnants of the old guard tried one last hurrah and then realized they waited too fucking long.
Should have done this during the Arab Spring.
>>30648710
yeah sure. I'm sure the airforce generals that led the coup would appreciate your comment.
the reason why they lost:
army > air force
>>30648675
But it worked.
>>30648441
Tbh at that point they'd already lost. A coup like this needs to be fast and firing on the kebab mobs would just bog them down even further, to say nothing of how bad it would look.
>>30648486
I think Erdogan arranged the whole thing.
So he could then purge the military, judges, clerics, and imams, that didn't support him and his increasingly Wahhabi like views.
>>30648545
This. Erdogan gets to purge more secular military leader and politicians at basically no cost.
It was half assed, not sure if intentionally or not still. It was clear they did not have their shit together when green troops tried to take CNN turk with no will to actually occupy it.
>>30648942
Whole ordeal also allows the government to gain public support and appear to be strong. NATO wants him in there and if the government had been overthrown they would have for sure intervened to keep their interests there. Turkey is screwed at this point, media is all government control and soon it will become a Western supported dictatorship that oppresses it's people. If a dictator agrees with what he is told to do by Western powers, he stays in office. If he does not, or there is any threat to his power, the west will intervene. It happened in Vietnam, Iraq, South Korea, Syria, Libiya, and many other. By faking this whole thing he conquers any resistance to his power.
>>30648296
They didn't shoot every motherfucking islamist they saw, that's what went wrong.
Worrying about "humanity" -- the worst fucking weakness -- fucked Turkey.
>>30648531
Yes, supposedly approx 10
>>30648675
The citizens were human shields designed to stop or hamper military advances. Furthermore the citizens might or might not have been led by Erdogan's police and military in plain clothes. They mobilized very quickly after his speech, and most of the citizens were men in their mid to late 20s and older. It's also these same men that executed and lynched the multiple coup soldiers. There were also calls to prayer happening repeatedly. The counter coup seemed to be very well organized for a bunch of civilians.
>>30648675
You order them because you know a high body count will give you the public support when you finally castrate the military and seize power.
>>30649138
I'm sure the coup forces would have upheld their NATO obligations.
>>30648296
it was carried out by turkroaches
>>30649168
Why would you worry about humanity in Turkey? Did they not want to hurt any European tourists or something?
>>30648471
>We
They surrendered when they should have lit the crowds and cops the fuck up.
Also, friendly reminder to never surrender to islamists.
>>30649931
Chances of death are much higher if your unit kills a crowd of civilians. If you surrender early you only have a moderate chance of being lynched.
>>30650235
You're not horribly familiar with Islam, are you senpai?
>>30650235
>Muslims
>If you surrender early you only have a moderate chance of being lynched
>>30648296
The coup was started by Erdogan. It was destined to fail from the beginning.
Now Erdogan is turning the country into an Islamic Dictatorship, while his cronies murder innocent civilians, Kurds, and soldiers in the streets.
>>30650235
>being this naive
must be nice living in fantasy land
>>30650295
>>30650378
Organized religions were created for law and order.
If you did no wrong you should not be punished.
Despite the fedora propaganda each religion is centered around community law.
>>30650584
It's cute the way you dismiss millions of dead bodies attached to Islam as fedora tipping. It's like you have no argument.
>>30650295
>>30650378
I think what he is trying to say is that if you kill a crowd of civilians you are all guaranteed to be lynched, but surrendering means of a few of you will be.
>>30650584
>If you did no wrong you should not be punished.
The definitions of 'wrong' vary between sharia and the Judeo-Christian ethic. Dunno if you noticed.
>>30650584
>I have completely ignored the past decade of the Religion of Peace.
>>30649270
Hitler did the same thing with the Reichstag in Berlin. A false flag operation to blame communists and rally people behind him.
>>30648376
>making Erdogan a martyr
>not losing any trace of legitimacy coup forces had, and pushing Turkey into civil war
lol?
>>30650733
>wanting a Colonel Peron to haunt your country for decades
nah
>>30650746
you can always kill them later, after a show trial.
Or chase them off into exile
>>30648296
the faction that started the coup weren't as big as they thought they were. Probably a lot of pro erdogan roaches in the military
>>30650761
If you can, do.
If the alternative is the little fucker running off and messaging you on Facetime, it's better to have him dead.
That way even if the coup fails, he can't go back to fucking things up for everyone.
>>30649138
You're forgetting how religious roaches are and how popular erdogan is there. That country is FUCKED. They are getting what they want
>putting t*rks in charge of ANYTHING
>Even t*rkey
>>30648296
The air force shot down the only real piece of equipement the coup forces had, the battle helicopter. After that even tanks must surrender. I'm not sure if this is accurate though don't take my word for it.
>>30651388
The Turkish airforce or USAF
Turkey has two power structures, like any other Muslim country. It parallels the Soviet system in that you have people who make educated decisions based on situation, experience and education then you have somebody who can, and often does, overule all of that based on the vague scribbles of 1800 year old pedophile.
And what you have their is the reason all Muslim countries are backwards shit heaps now, save Saudi Arabia and that is purely because they pay Westeners obsecene sums of money to build it for them.
>>30650343
And the powers of the EU want to let them join their Union.
>>30651881
>save Saudi Arabia
saved from their great plan? Saudis did 9/11 shill
>I hope I can watch the k
>>30652137
>the kings of old burn.
>yfw the driver was blind
>>30650733
No.
The AKP is built around Erdogan, much like Venezuela's ruling government was built around Chavez. Dictators, would-be or actual, tend to purge any competent threat from within their party just as hard as any from without. Part of this involves playing subordinates against each other, so that you hold the balance of power.
Hitler played that same game. So did Stalin, and Mao, and probably even the Kim family, based on what little we know of the NK nobility.
The weakness is that if the king is lost, and there is no widely-recognized chain of succession, the whole thing can implode. This happened countless times even in feudal times with clear rules of succession; and it happens today, when one man turns the government into a powder keg with himself as the fuse.
So, the first order of business of a coup against a dictator *must* be to physically eliminate said dictator. Once that has been done, your side might still lose out in the fighting over the power vacuum, but you stand a far, far better chance that leaving the dictator alive, with access to his supporters (particularly those who know they'll be the next up against the wall if he falls).
>>30651881
>opines about the nature of islamic societies.
> thinks islam is 1800 yrs old
ok
Rule no.1
>Seize or kill the head of the government before doing anything else
Rule no. 2
>Any mobile forces that are not part of the plot must be immobilized or too remote to intervene.
>>30652259
I have a hard time believing that Turkey would fall into chaos so readily. Wouldn't the AKP just nominate a successor from within their ranks? It's not like there's a massive cult of personality around the man himself.
Can someone provide a timeline of the coup?
I have no tv anymore.
>>30653298
They would try, but there would be an internal fight over it because of how Erdogan has positioned his subordinates against each other. Meanwhile, the military has time and space to consolidate power, guarantee that they won't be purged when things settle down, etc. What coup plotters need more than anything else is time--perceived legitimacy grows with every day in power, reducing public support for a counter-coup in the process. Given enough time, it becomes a done deal, especially in a case like Turkey where the military has always relinquished control after guaranteeing the survival of their constitution.
Erdogan's AKP successor wouldn't have the same authority, official or (more importantly unofficial), right away, which would further slow things down and buy the military more time.
And don't forget that in Turkey's parliamentary system (which Erdogan will most likely reduce or abolish now), it's entirely possible that AKP would have broken up and dissolved with his death, requiring several years to consolidate pro-Islamist sentiment into a new power base.
In short, it's not that Turkey would fall into chaos; it's that removing Erdogan and status quo ante as an option would have greatly improved the military's chances of success.
>>30648376
Rebels had only 6 or 8 F16s while Erdogan had the rest of the air force protecting him. Thats why rebels first tried to bring anti air missiles to Ankara but the intelligence officers prevented that by shooting the tires. Pic related.
>>30648296
It failed
>have tanks
>not using cannons to make crowd kebabs
Fake coup
>>30648296
Nothing. This could have been just an attempt to gain more power. Some of the soldiers thought it was just a fucking drill.
I mean if you are a high established General why the fuck would you make such fuckups that you are literally get your ass kicked by fucking police officers. This failure coup stinks way to much to be an actual coup but, rather a fucking power grab for Erdogan.
>>30653922
Seriously you dont start these things without willing to kill anyone who stands in your way.
>>30649138
The military likes Nato far more than Erdogan does. They certainly would have upheld Nato.
>>30653902
That's a truck, not an SAM battery.
>>30648296
Am I wrong to think that coups are pointless and ineffective if you don't assassinate the leader that you want to overthrow?
>>30653964
Its the launching platform.
>>30653970
This.
Because of their failure to do this, Erdogan was able to rally support and scare the rest of the military into complying and not joining their comrades in doing the right thing
>>30653970
>>30653985
Why did they do it while he was on holiday anyway, if it would have been better to seize parliament while he was there.
>>30653970
It looks better if they capture him and put him on trial, rather than killing him immediately.
>>30653970
You always have to take out the heads first, especially the ones that talk a lot. He got everyone to rally behind him threatening instability. If he were gone they'd have nothing to get behind.
>>30653970
Arrest, if you kill the men it can easily spiral out of control with the public, make the man a martyr and create a public backlash that results in a lot of dead and instability for the new regime
>>30653922
The soldiers thought it was an exercise.
>>30653975
It's a soft top truck you moron.
>>30648296
The #1 biggest thing that went wrong was that it wasn't even close to a unified decision within the military / most of the military had no idea it was going to happen.
a lot of things. also seems that erdogan was anticipating it, because you don't simply get lynch mobs that big ready in the matter of minutes.
>>30648296
Unlike the 3 coups during the cold war, the rebels didn't have any NATO support this time. The last time 1987, the US just didn't give a fuck.
Also, this was the first time the people actually resisted. The last 3 times, noone gave a fuck or tried to protest or something. This time, Erdocunt supporters lynched dozens of soldiers. Hell, they fucking slit their throats open and beat them to death.
And, this coup was the worst fucking coup attempt ever. Like many anons stated before.
I actually think it's very likely that Erdogan staged the whole thing to gain major support and get rid of a lot of Kemalists. Now, that fucking faggot has more support and power than ever before.
Turkey is the fucking motherland of conspiracies, just google Ergenekon.
imo, fuck the fucking turkish government, either the islamists or kemalists. the only bro tier non-cucks in that region are the Kurds, either PKK/YPG or Barzani KDP.
>>30654177
1960, it was 25 Generals who planned and executed the coup. 180 other generals were loyalists.
>>30654283
Touche
>>30654208
>I actually think it's very likely that Erdogan staged the whole thing to gain major support and get rid of a lot of Kemalists. Now, that fucking faggot has more support and power than ever before.
Yep, Reichstag fire.
>>30650635
I heard in a moderated debate once that it is a muslim belief that all men are born muslim and that if you are not at any given time then you are in apostasy. Of course apostasy is punishable by death under sharia effectively making any non muslim legal to be put to death?
Can anyone confirm if this is an actual widely held Quranic or hadith backed belief or was the debater misrepresenting.
>>30654425
I remember a imam spouting nonsense like that in a interview a while back. Can't for the life of me remember if he was sharia or sunni or some odd splinter faction
>>30654425
>>30654543
This is a mainstream belief.
But it only applies to Christians and Jews aka people of the book.
Jews and Christians are followers of Allah who have lost their way and abandoned Allah, and if they refuse to convert (back) the they are apostates.
That's why under Sharia law and the caliphate, Jews and Christians are allowed to live by Sharia law and pay the Jizya (religious tax) while atheists, agnostics, buddhists, sikhs, bahias, etc. are to be killed if they do not convert to Islam.
>>30648353
Explain
>>30648412
You do it or you don't. Considering hoe many of Erdogans monkeys were on streets. It's quite likely necessary massacre to complete the coup would have doomed the coup anyway.
>>30654543
>sharia or sunni or some odd splinter faction
Sharia isn't a religious sect homie
>>30654690
He meant Shiite.
Tactically, there are heaps.
But more broadly... literally no social base wanted or could benefit from the coup. Turkey of 2016 isn't Turkey of 1997, 1980, 1971, 1960. Not simply a vast gulf between rural Muslim conservatives and secular urban liberals - AKP enfranchised everyone except the Kurds and hard Left. Fascists, Nationalists, Centrists, Liberals, all had their place in the contemporary order - Kemalists favoured an anti-populist capitalist class that has developed to encompass all of the above; Guleninsts are too pro-secular and pro-liberal for the large, reactionary classes.
It was over before it began. Sun Tzu couldn't demonstrate a better example of Mongol water.
>>30654425
There's actually a Christian version of this, although it's in regards to what happens to all those people who aren't Christian out of various circumstances like child death, culture ignorance etc. Since in the modern world everybody has heard of Christianity, they had their chance to learn more and instead rejected God. Papists - not even once.
desu nothing will happen now and everything will move on as it did weeks ago.
I fucking hate those people who keep fear mongering and saying "LE WW3 IS COMING"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgREEL7NKig
this guy says it well
>>30654617
Actually its monotheists. And people of the book get to live by their own law.
>>30656893
That's not true.
I read on the news that the soldiers themselves had no idea what was happening. Still kind of think it's a false flag, but regardless the outcome is the same.
So is it over? I kept up with it initially, but had other things to do.
What happened?
>>30649239
Irrelevant. Most people who would answer such a call to arms/protest would be young men (with no family/businesses) to begin with.
>>30653902
Wut? The coup was composed of small group of army and pretty much the entire fucking air force. Which is/was where most of the islamic hardliners are/were. Where the fuck do you guys get your info?
so whats up next? full on islamic state? was really spooky when they decapitated those conscripts.
>>30652674
>>30657679
>was really spooky when they decapitated those conscripts.
Wut ? Did I miss something ? I heard about throats sliced and stuff but not complete beheading. I thought turkish people were somewhat civilized, now I realise they're IS tier.
Anyway those poor conscripts didn't deserve this. On the videos where they're shown trying to seize CNN Turk, they look like a bunch of unprofessional kids (which they were) and scared as fuck, even more than the journalists. I pity them.
>>30652810
>>Any mobile forces that are not part of the plot must be immobilized or too remote to intervene.
oh right so the other ~498,000 men who weren't part of the coup
>>30657880
the surrenders happened in a few batches, in istanbul anyway (where those killings happened), the first surrenders were soldiers who realised early on they weren't on a planned exercise after all so they gave themselves up, and were seen being peacefully taken away by the crowd and police
But some of the soldiers, who by this stage were well aware of the coup, decided to go ahead with the plans and started shooting protesters. It was THOSE soldiers who got lynched, probably by family/friends of people shot by the troops
>>30657667
>and pretty much the entire fucking air force... Where the fuck do you guys get your info?
uh, where are you getting that from? Erdogan was able to fly around in turkish airspace for a few hours in safety during the coup, before he eventually landed in Istanbul. Does that sound like the action of someone without an airforce to protect him?
Not to mention how loyalist jets shot down that helicopter full of plotters and started targeting rebel troops at their HQ in Ankara. They did more to protect erdogan's regime than most others
>>30657667
One air base near Ankara and few air units across country, like one KC-135 and few gunship helicopters. Most of the air force remain loyal. This does seam like official story has some truth. One four star general rebelled, his son in law commanding the base near Ankara join him and few officers across country whose loyalty he acquired through his service.
But now Erdogan is using the opportunity to make the whole armed forces coup prof by getting rid on anyone whose loyalty is not 100% clear.
>>30657880
Never fire on people unless you have sufficient ammo to kill them all. When people are in groups a group mentality takes over, pretty much meaning that the whole group acts as one aggressive individual would. If you are confronted by someone high on crack you are not going to just shoot him once, ether you kill him or you don't shoot at all.
Everything about this coup screams false flag.
>Didn't arrest Ergodan immediately or force him to land
>Didn't seize all media outlets and prevent him from speaking to media
>Mudslime clerics calling for prayer at 2am as soon as coup happens
>Extreme incompetence by the rebels, especially from a military that has done this before
>Removal of 2000 judges immediately after the coup ends
