>jets give it all the qualities of an aircraft
>propellers give it all the qualities of a helicopter
>relatively small and compact
>20mm controllable turret, unguided rockets and guided missiles
>12 soldier carrying capacity
>can be deployed directly on land or from parachutes
>can carry supplies as well
>performs an extremely wide range of missions with excellent efficiency
Why isn't this a real world thing yet?
Like, seriously. Why isn't the military funding this yet?
Also, find a flaw if you may, because I can't.
>>30614796
In the real world, those wings would shear right off at speed. Also, where the hell are you going to put the fuel tanks if you've got a big hole in each wing?
>>30614818
not to mention those tiny rotors wont do shit
>>30614872
Concur. The V-22 Osprey is barely airworthy and its rotors are enormous. No way in hell is >>30614796 getting off the ground without some kind of Kraut space magic.
>>30614950
> barely airworthy
Reality begs to differ.
>>30614964
Whatever you've gotta tell yourself, pal.
>>30614994
> being a cherry-picking nigger
Back to the field, David Axe.
>Y-32 Xian
>why isn't it a thing yet
Presumably because it's Chinese, so America needs to make it first, so the Chinese can copy it 30 years later.
>>30614994
It's like you think the CH-46 was better... how cute.
>>30615010
Cherry-picking, nothing. Literally just Googled it. Here, have a video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYeLishJ_Js
>>30615058
>reality
>what you think
>>30615096
No, the reality is that every single flying machine ever has had teething issues. Or do I need to bring up the Crashhawk, the Lawn Dart, the Thud, or any of the Widowmakers?
>>30615096
Listen nigger, you said something objectively retarded that is contradicted by real world use and got called out on it. Cut your losses and go home.
>>30614994
The V-22 already has a better safety record than the CH-46, which it replaced.
desu i was quite disappointed in the vehicles this expansion brought
would have wanted an attack chopper.
bigger than the pawnee and smaller than the blackfoot.
maybe a new IFV, jet... or even better. propeller attack plane.
like the Super Tucano.
>>30615058
but it is. the payload on the v-22 is pretty meh.
Class A accidents are accidents that involve loss of life or over $2,000,000 in damages.
The Class A accident rate per 100,000 flight hours for USMC helicopters
UH-1N & UH-1Y: 4.16
CH-53E: 3.36
CH-46: 3.09
MV-22: 3.06
AH-1Z: 1.54
The most dangerous helicopters for marines are Venoms and Twin Hueys, Ospreys are one of the safest.
>>30614796
because think about whats going to happen to the air in horizontal flight
>>30615061
>test flight from 1991
come on now
>>30615273
i know an engineer when i see one
>>30615241
idk man. The transport V-44 is worthless as far as I can tell, but the gunship V-44 is something neat with no real equivilant already in the game, the Xian is the fastest possible way to move people around and the LSVs are a nice middle ground between MRAPs (basically immune to small arms fire which is problematic in someone scenarios) and civilian cars.
I would have liked a real fast mover, but a lot of the stuff you mentioned is already in the game
Orca/hellcat are both medium sized armed helos, we have 6 IFVs with different weapon loadouts.
>>30615246
CH-46 vs V-22
Payload: 5,000 lbs vs 20,000 lbs (15000 if external); up to 24 troops vs up to 32 troops
Max takeoff weight (vertical): 24,300 lbs vs 52,600 lbs
Max speed: 166 mph vs 316 mph (at sea level)
Range: 633 mi vs 1,011 mi
Ferry range: 690 mi vs 2,230 mi
Service ceiling: 17,000 ft vs 25,000 ft
Rate of climb: 1,715 ft/min vs 2,320–4,000 ft/min
>>30615246
Dude what? The V-22 has a 3-4 times greater payload than the CH-46.
>>30615385
yeah i suppose so. i guess i've just been spoiled by all the mods that add a ton of heli/tank/APC variants.
Blend those things, and you get a ground-effect vehicle.
>>30615413
>>30615393
maybe in weight. total volume is shit. i should have been more specific. and our dumb asses spent shit loads of money developing a new jeep that fits in it instead of just borrowing some land rovers
>>30615241
You got the heli drone for pawnee-blackfoot hybrid
>>30614796
How would the wings work as an airfoil with two fuck huge holes in them?
>>30614796
It looks incredibly ugly.
Maybe if it wasn't so ugly it would be an option but definetely not at its current state.
>>30615780
Didn't see this >>30615273 but yeah exactly like that. It's not possible.
this thing is literally the pelican from halo, i love it
>>30615780
>>30615806
it would have to generate an insane amout of lift.
>>30615273
holy shit, someone on /k/ knows what they're talking about,
>>30614796
I want a falcon to be real
>>30614796
>MFW it's a fucking Pelican
>>30614796
Missiles can't even hit moving targets
>>30616382
Goddammit Lind! Go home!
The ducted fans might produce enough lift. If you compare them to turbofans they look about the right size. Not sure about the void in the wing it would depend if it could direct enough air around it or if boundry layer dragged the air into the fan.
>It's another ARMA retard who thinks he plays a realistic game
>>30615140
He is home, eating cheetos dipped in icecream, cause hes a neckbeard
>>30614796
Disk loading.
All the thrust spread out over the rotor on a normal helicopter would need to be concentrated in those fans, meaning they must run much faster and hotter.
Downwash and noise really terrible.
>>30615251
Clearly every helicopter should be replaced with the Viper.
>>30614796
It's shit in Arma 3 and it would be shit in real life.
Gets rekt by any jet in air to air combat meaning you can only use it with total air superiority. It's also less able to provide CAS than a jet due to its shitty weapon load out. As such, you may as well just bring a jet.
Further, the standard Kajman (CSAT attack helo) is a smaller target, is much more agile and can hide behind terrain meaning it lasts much longer against SPAAGs.
I enjoy shooting them down in KOTH in my Wipeout.
>>30616859
>koth
of course you dont find any use for it there, KotH maps are tiny. The whole point is how fast it can get a squad from one end of the island to the other and give them support
>>30616882
It is (almost) all the weaknesses of jets in ARMA 3 combined with all the weaknesses of helos.
Sure, its the fastest way to transport troops and it can offer some support but in every other way it is out classed.
>>30615273
Fucking kek
>tfw no dragon gunship ever because there's simply no good reason to
>>30616921
You dont seem to understand. Even if it had 0 weapons at all, it would still have a role as fast troop transport. Have 10 guys on one side of the m map that need to be on the other side? The Xian can deliver them at double to triple the speed of the next fastest vehicle, while being more durable (it can take 3 MANPADS hits, helos can only tank one before they start autorotating). The fact that it can provide support once it gets there is just icing.
This is worthless in king of the hill, because the furthest you ever have to fly is like 2 kilometers. If you are playing a game mode that utilizes the entire map, the Xian is very useful.
>>30616467
They are tiny, just look how have to be big to lift a single-seat.
it has harrier style Jump jets as well as the dinky propellers btw
>>30615670
Not like anything fit in the fucking CH-46.
The V-22 is objectively superior to what it replaced in every way.
>>30614796
>Literally Skyranger
Remove the Ayyy
>>30614796
More moving parts = higher development costs and lower reliability. Different engine and propulsion systems means more weight. Lower size means reduced fuel capacity and reduced lift which means a higher takeoff speed and higher lift fan rotation speed is required which means you need more fuel, which is not available in any abundance due to the vehicle's low volume. It's completely unworkable.
>>30617052
That particular aircraft is electric and has an endurance of 10 minutes.
>>30614796
>why dont they make planes with compromised airfoils
it doesnt work. this might suprise you anon. but making a aircraft requires alot of math. you cant just slap shit together and expect it to fly
>>30615273
Or it just closes up when transitioning to standard flight?
>>30617573
*tips fedora*
Science is a gay nerd thing so fuck you. Faith is all u need.
>Trying future V22 transport
>Notice video feed of troop compartment
>Get into troop compartment
>No cam
>Just a vent
BIS shills will defend this
>>30614796
>>jets give it SOME of the qualities of an aircraft
>>propellers give it SOME of the qualities of a helicopter
FTFY
>>30614994
I've actually seen one of those flying overhead like a year ago.
>>30617523
VIGILO CONFIDO
>>30617600
>Jesus is my co-pilot
>>30617649
Significantly larger rotors and no stowage structure = good
Operated by the army = doomed to poor flight records. When it comes to aircraft, you can't exercise leeway with required maintenance.
Those fans look about 2 meters across.
At 3200RPM, the tips of the blades would go supersonic, which is not something you want.
So at around 3100RPM, those 2 meter blades, pitched at about 35* are going to produce about ~1500 Lbf in thrust.
An F-16 engine produces ~17,000 Lbf.
You aren't lifting SHIT. My math might be off because i'm real tired, but its lower than hell. Stupid placement, too.
>>30615393
>Payload: 5,000 lbs vs 20,000 lbs
V-22 can manage about 5,000 lbs vertical takeoff
If you give it a fullsized runway, it can be maybe double that.
>up to 24 troops vs up to 32 troops
If the cabin is the same size, how can it hold more troops? In reality its less because payload is reduced rapidly at altitude, and the armor uses more space.
>Service ceiling: 17,000 ft vs 25,000 ft
V-22 can fly high in forward flight mode
It cannot land/take off at high altitudes
Anything above lets say around 5,000 ft will require a runway for the V-22 to operate off of, depending on payload + fuel load
>>30617289
Yes when you replace an aircraft with a new one, that costs like 10 times as much, it tends to be an improvement.
Of course now they have to ask the army to provide medevac & transport for them because the V-22 is a piece of shit, but hey thats life.
>>30617771
http://www.af.mil/AboutUs/FactSheets/Display/tabid/224/Article/104531/cv-22-osprey.aspx
>Maximum vertical takeoff weight: 52,870 pounds (23,982 kilograms)
>Maximum rolling takeoff weight: 60,500 pounds (27,443 kilograms)
>Payload: 24 troops (seated), 32 troops (floor loaded)
Sound like you know exactly what you're talking about, dude!
>>30617794
Oh, should mention empty weight is ~33,000lb before you start getting uppity that I quoted MTOW.
>>30617794
And you can fit 10 guys in a phone booth, whats your point?
They won't be actually operating with more than 18~ passengers.
>>30617806
That you need to learn to accept being wrong.
>>30617837
m8 the aircraft sucks
everyone knows it
It's crippled the marines
Theres a reason they kept the CH-46's around for so long despite having V-22's from like 2000 onward.
What's different to this from an AC-130 other than aesthetics?
>>30617723
Pretty sure the fans just provide a roll control type function and the main lift is provided by the 2 F-35 type pivoting engines at the back
Still wouldnt work but slightly less retarded
>>30617933
Everything. This is a just a Hind with fans instead of rotors. Its the new NATO VTOL that's got the howitzer and cannon on the side.
>tfw we get attacked by the Blue Man Group
>>30617608
Who gives a shit? Its just a video game.
>>30617991
>Thread about people sperging out about the physical implausibility of a vehicle in a video game, pulling all kinds of facts and figures out of their ass
>But pointing out the absence of a camera in an established camera location is a bridge too far
Haha okay fag, enjoy your shillbux.
>>30617900
Because V-22s are more expensive to maintain in terms of money and time.
Marines are barely holding their aircraft together.
>>30617723
>He doesn't want another Thunderscreech to warn the enemy ~40 miles away.
The fuck is wrong with you.
>>30618106
Because you'd have to dedicate a MOS to cleaning the shit out of the insides
>>30614818
Why would they shear?
>>30617579
That would require some massive flaps that seal fucking tight. And they have to be malfunction proof too otherwise everything gets fucked up.
>>30616342
fucking 343 will never bring it back, but I don't want them to. it would end up looking like a lumpy piece of shit just like everything else in H5.
rest in peas sweet prince.
>>30615241
If you didn't buy this just for the AK74 operating in pvp wasteland you are a cuck anyways.
>>30614796
>Also, find a flaw if you may, because I can't.
Its a shitty Sky-ranger.
>>30618459
The AKM, AKs74 and Makarov are easily the weakest part of the whole package. You never see anyone using them because they don't even have a suppressor, let alone sight options. The AK12 on the other hand has become the one gun to use in any gamemode. Overall the guns all sound like shit too, but with sound mods its nbd.
>>30616369
It's not even close, its some shitty wannabe. It can't even go into space or carry tanks.
>>30618521
The whole point of them is low tech gangsterism.
I use them just to nigger around wasteland feeling like a badass, and desu most of the non-marksman guns are equally shit anyways.
You sound like the kind of cuck who actually cares what firearm he ends up with that isn't a Lynx. Play much pvp or only pve?
>>30618545
>lynx
>good
laughing @ you, m320 for all your extreme range needs.
>>30618545
>The whole point of them is low tech gangsterism.
Yeah but its not consistent. Half the guerillas use vanilla AKs and RPGs, the other half use AK12s and MK46s with grip pods and lasers.
I just wish they'd added a few cans and sights to make them useful in other gamemodes.
>Lynx
I take it you play with stamina turned off.
The new Chinese DMR is better for literally everything except vehicles.
>>30618582
Kek, maybe in pve.
Online play in Wasteland etc tge Lynx is only rifle for confirmed kill at range, especially with the current rock-glitching.
Everything that isn't a Lynx is shitty unless you are camping an interior.
Who doesn't love hitting an exposed ankle for enough damage to kill another 3 targets? Also, m320 gets raped by respawning MRAPfags
>>30618608
M320 one shots through any armor at any range, what are you talking about?
>>30618597
>>30618608
Most pvp servers disable stamina.
Low tech as in they are some half a century old by the Arma 3 timeline. Obviously most "modern" attachments etc won't fit them.
>>30615160
Only because the brass is lying about what's pilot error and what's mechanical
>>30618617
It's lower damage, extremity shot's don't instakill. Most wasteland servers play a downing system, Lynx is the only current sniper rifle capable of instant killing with no down without a headshot.
I agree the m320 is a nice rifle, but if you want killcounts you are using thermal optic Lynx or go home.
>>30615273
Nothing to do with fluid dynamics, it just uses the Newtonian principle of lift rather than the Bernoulli principle.
>>30615393
Now add the price to these stats. Dealership tag and lifetime maintenance.
Do it faggot
>>30618638
Playing wasteland i have never had a 320 shot fail to put someone down, and it is much flatter shooting than the lynx
>>30618658
>flatter
It's fucking arma, use the zero and you are golden. Remember, shift-click is your friend.
I am not gonna go find the tables for damage, but even Shacktactics (fuck the spelling) is aware of this shit, every clan only buys Lynx for serious pvp. It's laughable at how badly balanced the marksman rifles are, Lynx has another 20% damage on the m320 if I remember the pre-release stats correctly?
You need to play more wasteland man, Lynx is the only gun I trust to kill the retarded 12 year old who only has his heel sticking out of the gunstore.
>>30617573
>you cant just slap shit together and expect it to fly
Wanna bet?
>>30618700
faster bullets mean easier shots on moving targets.
Ive played 100s of hours of wasteland, never once have i seen someone not die from an m320 shot.
>>30617573
>you cant just slap shit together and expect it to fly
wanna bet ?
>>30618701
the correct answer is, you can't slap shit together and expect it to fly well.
and that design is a well established lifting body fyi
>>30617035
I would say the Xian is the best vehicle in all of Arma 3 right now. It's not only about transporting troops long range with speed. It's also
>HALO
>LALO
>transporting vehicles or supplies
>either trough sling
>or trough the ramp
>CAS
>strafing as a jet
>strafing as helicopter
>reconaissance
>overwatch
Literally anything.
Think of any type of airborne mission. The Xian can do it.
>>30619190
Also don't forget it has a fucking controllable 30mm turret. That's a very big plus in my opinion. If you put controllable 30mm turrents into every air vehicle in the military everything would be so much more fun. Don't forget that.
>>30614796
Because physics:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_loading
>>30614796
CHINA STRONG!!!
GLORY FOR CSAT
>>30619243
SHITTY ECONOMY NATO FAGS CANT INTO HIGH TECH STEALTH SUIT
>>30619243
I just hate that camo.
It looks like poo.
>>30619261
It's literally the best.
Butthurt NATO cant deal with the fact that CSAT won Altis.
>>30619243
CSAT are arabs you silly billy.
>>30619261
GLORY FOR SCAT
>>30619254
Srsly tho, unless the viper suit has a miniature version of the aircon unit all CSAT outfits have, it would be the worst thing in the world to wear in the jungle.
>>30619274
>Arabs
lolno
Also, CSAT means Canton Strategic Alliance Treaty. Canton as for Canton/Guangzhou Province, which is in China.
>>30619274
>arabs
Iranian.
The Vipers are Chinese.
>jungle warfare
>can't even operate in mini shorts
>>30619298
>Middle eastern
>Speak Persian
>Hilariously out of place camo
>Not arab
>>30619274
CSAT's Pacific Forces are Chinese.
CSAT also should have Russia as a member
>2035 Crimean War Addon Never
>>30619324
Yes, you are right.
They are arab and this picture is photographic evidence of that. Surely an Iranian flag means they're Arabic, since Iran is an arab nation.
>>30619324
>Speaks Persian
>Arab
There are Arabs in Iran, its not an Arab country.
Why is CSAT so moe.
>>30619357
>Iran
>Tavor
kek
>>30619345
I guess they were worried that if Russia was a member, it would start to look too much like a ripoff of BRICS.
>>30619345
According to the official website, there are 6 CSAT members, and they are China, Iran, Russia, India, Indonesia and Kazakhstan.
>>30618639
Then why have the fucking wings you stupid homo
>>30619345
I bet in 2035 Ukraine still is using AK-74
>>30619389
Actually, it is the SCO.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Cooperation_Organisation
>>30619409
What the fuck is the point in putting CVs in front of tanks in a formation like that, wtf?
>>30619474
CV?
These are IFVs and basically as well armored and armed as light tanks.
>>30619243
>viper suit is thermal shielded
>harness is still glowing in IR
Shitty devs.
>>30619254
The brain-shaped helmet is triggering me.
Even without that obviously sinister looking mask, it would look so damn evil.
>>30619501
Which "light tanks" are you referring to?
They're basically BMP-3s.
>>30619243
>>30619254
what gun
>>30619537
Those in the 20 ton range.
The Chinese ZBD04A actually has a different chassis compared to the BMP-3, even though both use the same turret.
The Chinese have front-mounted engine, giving a larger passenger space, as well as some additional protection from the front.
>>30619542
6.5 AR with underslung .50 Beowulf
>>30619542
http://armedassault.wikia.com/wiki/Type_115
>underbarrel .50
>>30619542
I wished they would have used the actual "Future Warfighter" rifle of the PLA, the ZH-05/Type 11 OICW.
But instead, we get some dumb abomination. Who the hell needs .50 cal Beowulf? A fucking meme round?
Helicopters are aircraft
Thats the second best thing in apex
However i love the gun that fires 6.5 and the 50 cal
>>30614796
>Why isn't this a real world thing yet?
For the same reason that we don`t have little atomic batteries to power our houses and save energy bills: Energy, there`s nothing little and powerful enough to power a plane of the characteristics you want.
>>30619560
The Type 115 is quite useful against heavily armored infantry. You only need one shot to kill a NATO soldier clad in even the heaviest body-armor. And that, even beyond 300m.
But yeah, Airburst weapons would be great. There are already mods for the XM25 where it works great.
>>30615670
>>30617771
How does it feel being objectively fucking wrong and repeatedly proven to be wrong by reality?
>>30619560
>Who the hell needs .50 cal Beowulf?
I think they patched it before release, but in the preview used to be a one shot disable for all helis and would make either of the VTOLs explode in half a mag. Realistic or not, it was p useful.
I agree though, that would have been more appropriate. And adding an XM25 for NATO. And a few standalone launchers like the M79 and M32 from OA. And at least one shotgun. There really are a lot of things the A3 vanilla arsenal is missing.
>>30619254
Stronk!
>>30615694
oh fuck. i totally forgot about that thing. guess it does fulfil my wishes.
>>30619613
Meme drone. Cant even loiter like the MQ12 can.
>>30619626
But canards, man.
And also, it is based on a real life drone.
>>30619390
I dont think russia was part of CSAT, they were an ally, and cooperated and worked with CSAT, but were never an actual part.
>>30619652
> retractable front landing gear
> static read landing gear
What the fuck is the point of that?
>>30619667
Well, most of the stuff the Iranian CSAT uses were from Russia.
>>30619685
So the front gear doesn't obstruct the view of the camera I guess.
>>30619685
It's a rather small drone - no space for the rear gear to retract. Hence, the aerodynamic housing.
>>30619688
Yes, Russia sold stuff to CSAT and helped design new VTOL. Heres what the wiki says
>CSAT is made up of Iran, China, and several other East Asian, North African, South American, and Middle Eastern nations. Although not directly part of the organization, the Russian Federation also is mostly supportive of CSAT activity and has been known to involve itself in joint operations with CSAT forces, and has sold equipment and vehicles to Iran and China for CSAT operations in the Mediterranean Theatre, and South Pacific Theatre respectively.
>>30619712
Actually, not in Chinese service, but in Pakistani and Nigeria, as well as some other african/middle eastern states
>>30619726
Pakistan's CH-3A/B are called Burraq
>>30615273
Well, to play devil's advocate, the rotors wouldn't be spinning in horizontal flight which would reduce the suction dramatically and viscous effects would keep the flow relatively attached over and under that section. If you design it correctly the drag increase would be minimal.
>>30618639
I assume you mean the turning of the airflow would cause a reaction force on the airfoil and aren't referring to Newton's 3rd law. The former effect is pretty small and the latter is utterly retarded.
t. aero engi
> There are actually people who think the CH-46 is more capable than the V-22
I can't even...
Dont think anyone else mentioned it, but canonically, this VTOL is the East's F35, with a huge procurement and maintenance cost
>This was by far the largest CSAT joint development project, and it eventually became one of the most expensive programs in military procurement history. The final solution was based upon the most promising prototype designed in Xi'an, which was able to meet most of the requirements. High running and maintenance costs remains in issue that plagues the reputation of the otherwise extremely progressive aircraft with many unique features and cutting-edge technologies.
>>30615160
>The V-22 already has a better safety record than the CH-46, which it replaced.
Hardly surprising, seeing as how the CH-46 has been around for 40+ years longer.
CH-46 Sea Knight
First flight - August 1962
Introduction - 1964
V-22 Osprey
First flight - March 1989
Introduction - June 2007
>>30619749
http://armedassault.wikia.com/wiki/Y-32_Xi%27an
>The Xi'an is named after a town in China.
Duh, A town where the mainstay of China's transport aircrafts are made. Xi'an usually is synonymous with Xi'an Aircraft Corporation, the makers of the JH-7 naval bomber, H-6 and Y-20 airlifter.
Xi'an is actually pretty good in developing and building reliable but relatively technologically unchallenging aircrafts for the PLAAF. They are also not exactly known for getting over-budget or dragging things, as one can see from the Y-20's development needing merely 3 years of test-flight to get commissioned.
For realism sake, the Chinese/CSAT F-35 should actually go to either Chengdu or Kamov.
>>30619324
Why do they have Israeli rifles?
>>30619934
They're Iranian KH2002s. Any Tavors seen are captured from the Israeli sponsored FIA resistance movement.
Would someone please explain how this turned into a fiddy-cent army shitpost fest?
>>30620084
>OP has "Find a flaw, Protip:you cant" in it
This thread was always going to be a piece of shit. That said, Ive enjoyed talking about ARMA 3s setting. Most people just ignore it all and bury it under real gear mods. Reminds me of threads we had in 2013.
>>30618657
>America
>concerned with operational cost
Sorry but we're not some poorfag yuroshit country that cant afford whatever it needs
>>30619816
It was interesting that the VTOL in the game wasn't a yakovlev make, seeing as how one of the only design bureaus in the East that tackled VTOL with any margin of success.
>>30615061
>not cherry picking
>have a video
>>30622274
I dont even care
Tanoa makes ARMA the best game ever
such fucking operating
much wow
>>30618657
As opposed to the CH-46, which has been in production since 1971?
>>30615061
What you did is literally, and by definition, cherry-picking.
>>30614796
>Weight gives it the qualities of a brick.
>>30614796
I was kinda hoping they would add more low-tech slavshit vehicles for the nignogs, like a T-55 or Ural-4320.
>>30619735
except even when the rotors aren't spinning, there's still gapes in the blades.
>>30622401
Shut the fuck up faggot
