>New Russian Bomber to Be Able to Launch Nuclear Attacks From Outer Space
>The Russian Strategic Missile Forces Academy is developing a hypersonic strategic bomber capable of striking with nuclear warheads from outer space, Lt. Col. Aleksei Solodovnikov told RIA Novosti on Wednesday.
>“The idea is that the bomber will take off from a normal home airfield to patrol Russian airspace. Upon command it will ascend into outer space, strike a target with nuclear warheads and then return to its home base,” Solodovnikov told RIA Novosti.
>He added that the jet will be very capable and will need only one-two hours to reach any place on Earth through outer space.
http://sputniknews.com/military/20160713/1042888473/russia-space-bomber-engine.html
Pretty fucking interesting.
COMRADE
WE MUST
GO
BIGGER
>>30608100
Not so much interesting as it is bullshit, and in total disregard to the OST.
For emp use only
that's a description of an ICBM
>>30608100
It's pretty much impossible for a fixed wing aircraft to take off with enough fuel to power itself into space. Sheeeit even the space x plane had to have another aircraft carry it to the upper atmosphere. And space x was tiny. This won't be a thing for another 20 years at least
Well Tupolev had been working on a bunch of hypersonic and suborbital spaceplane concepts at the end of the Cold War, so it's not completely beyond the realm of possibility.
The real concern I have with those claims is the loiter time they're talking about. There's no reasonable way to get a hypersonic vehicle with the range and payload they want to be just loitering around waiting on alert like SAC used to do with the B-52s.
Also, I don't get why they're using a rendering of the T-4MS there. Tupolev put out more than enough pictures of their hypersonic vehicle concepts.
>>30608100
>I think that its lift-off mass must be 20-25 metric tons for it to be a strike aircraft.
Well either they're full of shit or the "official" they talked to literally has no idea what he's talking about. There's no way you're getting a ground-launched orbiter that small.
>>30608180
Because its SPUTNIKNEWS
Its about as unbias as FOX.
>>30608180
that concept is fascinating.
>>30608414
>MUH SPUTNIKNEWS
they're russian. they cover russian news. of course they get some stories first and cover them. fucking deal with it.
Because an Amerika Bomber is a really new idea.
http://www.luft46.com/misc/sanger.html
>>30608145
>and in total disregard to the OST.
you're a fucking moron. the plane and its nuϲⅼear cargo is not permanently stationed in space. it's completely within OST framework.
>>30608442
lmao
They're a site claiming that Russian 6th gens in 2025 will be hypersonic.
Fuck off.
>>30608430
It's effectively the same thing as the Rockwell X-30. You use turbojets or some kind of rocket assist for takeoff until your ramjets can take over, at which point you use ramjets to get as high and as fast as you can. I'm not sure exactly what the plan was with the X-30, but from what I've read, Tupolev's hypersonic proposals tended to max out at about Mach 6 using some kind of hydrogen based fuel. From that point, the Tu-2000 would fire rockets to get it all the way into space.
The real problem here is the scale. The Tu-360 - a proposed Mach 6 bomber with no ability to go into space - was to have a gross weight of 350 metric tons and palyoad of 10 tons. The Tu-2000, which was more of a spaceplane, was also going to have a 350 ton gross weight, but payload dropped to 8 tons.
People don't seem to realize just how hard it is to get stuff going that fast.
Hotol yet again.
>>30608650
If all its doing is going to space without achieving any kind of orbit, why bother with it rather than an ICBM?
Time to resurrect the Mig-105 project.
>>30608100
Irl arkbird when?
>>30608330
Much like every single Russian weapon that broke ass shithole claims to have, they're probably full of shit. There's no way in hell a bomber for anything can get orbital. Even if it could, the cost to operate it would be more than Russia's GDP. Russians are on par North Korea in claiming they have magic superweapons. I bet their nuclear arsenal is shit-tier these days too, and nuclear deterrence is basically Russian doctrine.
>>30608442
>Cambodian black and white cave paintings board
>Whining about Slavs being called out for their bullshit
The fuck out of here Putin.
>>30608711
Less predictable trajectories compared to ICBM. Hypersonic cruise missiles are the future.
>>30608751
Kinda like this one Chinese project.
>>30608787
I think you overestimate how much Delta-v these things could possibly have.
At hypersonic speeds, the trajectory is almost entirely predictable due to inability to really manouver.
>>30608836
>>30608442
I hope for your own brain, that you are trolling.
>>30608711
A stealth plane would be much harder to detect than an ICBM.
Russians sure seem to dominate the world of "3d rendered prototypes that will never see production"
>>30608873
Why not a stealthy ICBM?
>>30608762
>Putin
Tyrone's mad.
>>30608880
Geometry + massive heat signature makes that impossible. This plane will turn on its rockets when it's high in the atmosphere already.
>>30608174
You're talking about spaceshipone dumbass
>>30608880
Just hide the warheads among balloons with cheap batteries like everybody else does. It is impossible to hide your presence in space, but you can abuse decoys.
Will it be operative before 2050?
>>30608805
While the are people calling others mad, because they are mad, it seems to be an answer for russians and russiaboos for "i lost the arguement" or "he made a logical comment that destroys my claim".
>>30608920
Never does not take place before 2050, so no.
>>30608100
Did somebody let Russia know that jet engines do not work in space?
He called it a jet.
Why not go back to the old Fractional Orbital Bombardment System?
>>30608980
>amerinigger is trying to teach russians about space
wew lad
>>30608980
Well technically you could use the air breathing engines to get upward velocity, and then coast upwards into space on a parabolic arc.
FUCKING ITALY
>>30608100
Why not just fire an ICBM?
>>30609109
as if economy matters. russians have their own central bank and can print money as they wish. and just look at what they can do with such a weak economy.
most important thing is that their country's not being overrun by low IQ retards. pic related.
50 years from now, their country will still exist. how many western ones will be able to claim the same?
>>30609148
Nigga I'mma go through this line by line.
>as if economy matters
It's how the Soviets lost the Cold War.
>russians have their own central bank and can print money as they wish
So can Zimbabwe.
>and just look at what they can do with such a weak economy.
Flail around like a retard and achieve no meaningful strategic objectives?
>most important thing is that their country's not being overrun by low IQ retards. pic related.
>50 years from now, their country will still exist. how many western ones will be able to claim the same?
Except that Russia is currently more Muslim right now than any European country is projected to ever be, and shitskin infested America is still a better country by every metric than Russia ever was.
>>30609109
>>30609148
GDP is a meme statistic for Americans to jerk off their economy to.
>>30609190
>>30609148
>as if economy matters
>can print money
>therefore the Russian government can do whatever they want because printing money = creating wealth
I've already had to school a summerfag on 10th grade chemistry, and now I have to school another on basic economics.
>>30609148
>as if economy matters. russians have their own central bank and can print money as they wish
ha ha
HA HA HA HA HA
>>30609201
He's right to a point. Still, Russia is more comparable to Germany than the US.
>>30608883
>Tyrone
Try again, Slavshit. I know your family is hungry and the only way Glorious FSB will let you have your rations for the month is if you post about how super duper cool Russia is, but your shilling isn't wanted here.
>Pic related, typical Slav genetic "superiority"
>>30609148
meanwhile Russia isn't even on that fucking list, kek/10.
>>30608442
Huh, what the fuck are you talking about they're biased as fuck you moron.
>>30609269
I think it's a better estimate than GDP (PPP)
If a country is undervaluing their currency on international markets, it's usually because they're poor as fuck anyway.
>>30608980
how about you step out side and get shot its great american past time no?
>>30608100
I'm more interested in the drones equipped with microwave cannons?
>>30609302
>he's damage controlling this hard because he didn't know what a jet engine is
>>30609109
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>>30608100
Main part of article wasn't translated.
>«Двигaтeль пoлyчaeтcя двyхкoнтypный, тo ecть oн cмoжeт paбoтaть кaк в aтмocфepe, тaк и пepeключaтьcя в кocмичecкий peжим пoлeтa бeз вoздyхa, и вce этo нa oднoй ycтaнoвкe. Ha дaнный мoмeнт тaких двигaтeлeй пoкa нeт в Poccии, в oднoй cилoвoй ycтaнoвкe coвмeщeны двa двигaтeля cpaзy — caмoлeтный и paкeтный»
They want to build an engine capable for working in atmosphere and in space. With such engine they can build such bomber. And, as usual with Western media, Russians do not build this machine. They are working on idea of that machine. right now they are working on engine. And they want to have prototype of engine to 2018-2020. Without engine it's not even a project of space bomber, it's a concept.
>>30609302
Consider suicide. Actually, don't consider it, just go ahead and do it.
>>30609316
>he's using (PPP)
AHAHAHAHAHA
ENJOY NOT HAVING CARS FAGGOT
>>30609103
I dont think you will actually make it to space though, if you use this method.
There is alot of space (heh) between where jet engines can work and when you are actually in space.
>>30609348
Well, the current record for air breathing aircraft is 125,000 feet.
The limit for space is ~300,000.
They could be talking about something like a SABRE engine, but I think that's giving them much too much credit.
>>30609148
>as if economy matters. russians have their own central bank and can print money as they wish.
>>30609365
>giving them much too much credit
Dude, their rocket engines are best, US buys them.
>>30609388
Their rocket engines are the cheapest because the US keeps going off on white elephant projects.
Although with the increasing privatization of the US space program, this is starting to change.
And I was talking about the retard talking about jets firing missiles from space. I don't think he knows what a SABRE engine is.
>>30608100
>Upon command it will ascend into outer space
I'm assuming that whomever wrote that is getting their low-Earth orbit and outer space mixed up.
It's too bad Energia was too ambitious. One the top three most powerful rockets ever. Even the US would have had problems funding the thing.
>>30608100
This thing is doomed to become vaporware, just like 95% of all projects that the Russians announce.
>Still waiting for the Armata to have a 152 mm gun
>Still waiting for more aircraft carriers
>Still waiting for the PAK FA to actually work
These frigates seem to be the only thing really going well for them at the moment.
>>30609086
It is spelt "Laika" fyi, not trying to be a pedantic autist but c'est la vie.
>>30609442
>he thinks that there's an objectively correct way to transliterate from Cyrillic
![Science_8ed62c_1101628[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/6DjZEU3.gif "Science_8ed62c_1101628[1].gif")
>>30609439
>Russians announce.
They never announced 152mm gun for Armata and they still didn't chose project of their carrier. Russians don't like announce things, they like to speak about "work in progress" and "plans". Media are one who writes news about raped journalists.
>>30609481
>Media are one who writes news about raped journalists.
And there is the russian media, like the first national TV channel that shows a faked satellite photo of the downing of MH17, while the whole internet is already laughing about how badly it is faked a day before.
>>30609539
It was a Mikhail Leontyev's TV show, author can speak whatever he wants. And yes, he speaks about imminent end of USA every Thursday since March 1999. If he wants to discuss fake photos, he can do it, it's about his own reputation and thing called freedom of speech.
>>30608174
Suborbital trajectory you ignorant retard.
>>30609618
That isn't what the OP says though.
>It's how the Soviets lost the Cold War.
It's also how the US will fall apart. Russian economy's doing just fine. Even western intelligence services say so:
Here's what Canadian intelligence services said in their 2016 report:
>Western assessments that Russia is vulnerable to economic collapse and disruptive internal discontent are exaggerated. Russia is adapting to adversity; the economy is deliberately tilted to security rather than economic freedom. Political power in Russia is being steadily concentrated at the national level in an attempt to overcome system dysfunction in delivery. The current regime appears to be coherent, durable and united at the centre.
And Soros, who's one of Russia's biggest enemies, says the same thing:
>Soros sees Russia emerging as global power as EU fades | Reuters
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-soros-idUSKCN0Z629H
>Flail around like a retard and achieve no meaningful strategic objectives?
Retards like you said the same thing about them when they entered Syria. We've all seen what they can do.
>Except that Russia is currently more Muslim right now than any European country is projected to ever be, and shitskin infested America is still a better country by every metric than Russia ever was.
Their muslim population is situated in two fairly isolated provinces. And their population is falling. They also decomate them through constant wars.
Same cannot be said about blacks & hispanics in the US. US is one step away from a full-on race war. France will become majority black by 2045 (btw, have you seen their 2016 soccer team? lmao). London will have 50% of muslim population by 2040. Germany has imported more muslims than any other EU country. They will fall apart too.
And the most shocking thing is that US' social fabric has been torn apart by feminists, SJWs and the rest of the degenerates. Millennials are a failed generation that will finally destroy the US.
>>30609636
>We've all seen what they can do.
Lose a strike fighter to a bunch of roaches then do NOTHING?
>>30609636
>And their population is falling.
Not 100% true, but doesn't matter. Those regions and those muslims are part of Russia for more than 200 years and more or less integrated into society. It's not kind of a problem Europe has.
>>30609715
That's just ignorance or classical denial of reality.
>>30609725
What, the fact that they lost a fighter (they did) or have done nothing (they haven't, beyond what they have been doing before the downed fighter).
Furthermore, are the rebels gone? Is ISIS gone? Big bad russia was going to get both, amirite?
Oh wait, the vatniks changed the story after the Russians drawed down because they ran out of funds.
>>30609715
>Lose a strike fighter to a bunch of roaches then do NOTHING?
José please. Watch less CNN.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/war-in-syria-russia-s-rustbucket-military-delivers-a-hi-tech-shock-to-west-and-israel-a6842711.html
>>30609725
>Not 100% true
It's fucking true:
http://www.neweasterneurope.eu/articles-and-commentary/1690-russian-muslims-face-challenges-of-demography-and-migration
Russians are not constrained by western "liberal "values"... "values" that are destroying our countries. They unleash hell on those muslims who attack them and they decimate their populations. Do you have any idea how many muslims were killed by Russians during Chechen and Dagestan wars? The numbers are staggering. They're still killing them in Dagestan and they'll continue decimating them.
>>30609809
Ahhh yes, THAT independent article.
You might want to tell your bosses to stop using it here, because you got blown the fuck out the last time you did.
They take a Lt Generals words completely out of context, to the point of making it seem like he said the exact opposite of what he actually said.
Why the fuck would anything else in the clickbait article be relevant?
Oh, and please argue the above point, i do so love to blown out vatnick fucks.
>>30609715
Well, they banned some Turkish fruit. Some grapefruit farmer in Güzhikamet is probably buying skimmed instead of whole goat milk as a result.
>>30608100
>sputniknews
ITTIG
>>30609758
>are the rebels gone? Is ISIS gone?
Is Assad gone? You are denying reality. And reality is - Russia came to save Assad's regime from imminent collapse and to kill Chechens. Russia bombed opposition into the dirt and forced them to sigh cease-fire agreement. Russia forced Turkey to cease their help to ISIS (and ISIS answered by bombings on Turkish territory). Russia bombed ISIS's oil fields and forced coalition to do the same thing and hit ISIS's money sources.
Cease-fire agreement already was a fucking victory and already was enough for them to leave. But they stay and help Assad and Iran to liberate some major areas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVTQkYjv1h4
Admiral Kuznetsov is going to Syrian coast and that will dramatically increase their firepower. New Migs and Ka-52Ks are far better equipped than Su-24s and Hinds\Havoks.
>>30609809
>It's fucking true:
Dude, you can just open
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haceлeниe_Чeчни
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haceлeниe_Дaгecтaнa
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haceлeниe_Ингyшeтии
And see that population of three most "troubled" Islamic regions is growing.
>>30609933
>And see that population of three most "troubled" Islamic regions is growing.
They're concentrated and they are still killing them. In the west, opposite is true.
>>30609933
>Admiral Kuznetsov
Is a tub.
>>30608442
Reminder that sputniknews went and made up bullshit about the new Russian transport aircraft program, and even went so far as to use renders made by a student in a design class for his final project:
http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150319/1019742286.html
>>30609933
You're citing the Russian Wikipedia? The ANYONE CAN EDIT encyclopedia? The one from Russia? That country that pays it's citizens to go say nice things about Putin and his regime?
Seems legit, cunt.
>>30610042
>even went so far as to use renders made by a student
>went so far
What? The aircraft is a concept at this point. Sputnik posted the concept art, RT did the same.
https://www.rt.com/news/242097-pak-ta-russian-army/
>>30609979
Again - Chechens and others are not foreigners. They more or less integrated into Russian society. Russian problem with Islam is different. Russia faces bigger number of immigrants from former Soviet republics and muslim citizens of Russia, but those are still part of post-soviet sphere, they are still carriers of Soviet culture and tradition, they learn Russian lang. and they has no such troubles with integration. 30 years ago it was one fucking country.
>>30610043
Jesus Fucking Christ, if you want to go to official website of Russian agency of statistics and search through Excel tables - go ahead, no one stops you.
>>30610079
>https://www.rt.com/news/242097-pak-ta-russian-army/
>Artist concept of future Russian Special Purpose Aircraft (Concept: Aleksey Komarov, Customer and Technical Manager: Volga-Dnepr Group)
It not a PAK-TA, it's just an illustration from student's diploma. RT made this not very clear and other media fucked up by reposting it without careful checking.
>>30610120
>Official website of Russian agency of statistics
I've got news for you, Ivan, the Russian government lies too. They're just worse at it than the USG.
>>30610147
>I've got news for you, Ivan, the Russian government lies too.
OK, just don't lose your tinfoil hat and check your closet for KGB agents before going to bed.
>All this burger damage control for nothing
This is a classic scientist rapes reporter case. In real life, a professor from a branch office of Military Academy of Strategic Rocket Forces said that they have an idea for a supposedly 20-25 tonne strike bomber that can patrol airspace and deliver ammunition from near space. "Near space" starts at 20km. They want too cooperate with TsAGI to develop the airframe.
They didn't make any R&D, they don't even have any clear PRD. It's just a random professor saying they have an idea for a project of what is basically a modern MiG-25RB and media making mountains out of molehills.
>>30610120
>Concept: Aleksey Komarov, Customer and Technical Manager: Volga-Dnepr Group
He works at the airline. He is not a student. Do you speak English at home?
>>30610147
>Gobirnmint lies! Indipinding stats nao! REEEEE!
I smell tinfoil libertarian stench.
I wonder how much vodka their rocket scientists drink.
Do they still ration that stuff?
>>30610182
Dude.
https://translate.google.ru/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cardesign.ru%2Farticles%2Fdiploma%2F2014%2F6%2F11%2F6047%2F&edit-text=
He was student and it was his project for final exam. Volga-Dnepr was his place of pre-diploma practice or something like that. He made his project with them. It's absolutely normal and absolutely not related to PAK-TA.
>>30610182
>He is not a student
https://vimeo.com/103542677
http://www.cardesign.ru/articles/diploma/2014/6/11/6047/
The video is literally titled "diploma work", dumbass.
keking hard at all these retards who are butthurt about some artist's impression of a plane that's still secret.
>>30610198
You're obviously missing the point, and you're a moron if you really believe our government doesn't lie to us. I'm not saying that the moon landing was fake or Bush did 9/11 and JFK, but come on now, Anon.
>>30610165
The only people that need to worry about the FSB in their house is the poor Russians that aren't getting lynched for being fags or disappearing because they don't like Putin.
>>30609188
Their muslims are pretty much Chechnyaboos, some Kazakharidikileekis and a spattering of Azerpajamas. So pretty much just more Russian peasants who do nothing but squat and kill each other.
They aren't infested with sand nigger, camel fucking mudslimes who are all rapey and into spontaneous combustion
Looks like a damn paper airplane.
Quick, throw it at the Godzilla-sized American teacher in class!
>>30609086
>A FUCKING ROVER
>>30609103
this is impossible in KSP, nonetheless real life. You would have to be going somewhere in the order of several hundred thousand m/s before you left the stratosphere to achieve orbit from atmospheric thrust alone.
>>30609636
>London will have 50% of muslim population by 2040.
JUST London?
>>30609618
>suborbital trajectory
except that's nothing new, and op was making claims about "outer space." Even the nazis had practical plans for sub-orbital/LEO weapons>>30609635
>>30608674
>It's effectively the same thing as the Rockwell X-30. You use turbojets or some kind of rocket assist for takeoff until your ramjets can take over, at which point you use ramjets to get as high and as fast as you can.
Yea sure thats great except now you are moving at perhaps mach 5
And you need to get to mach 30 to reach orbit
And what sort of thrust to weight do you have
And what sort of payload, etc
And how many billions of dollars have you spent on producing this hypersonic ramjet?
And what benefit does it bring compared to just building a larger rocket and burning a little more fuel?
Spaceplanes are a meme
>>30608980
>He called it a jet.
No, called it a turbofan and said that they want to use rocket propulsion to achieve hypersonic speed.
>>30611304
>to achieve orbit
No one spoke a word about orbit.
>>30611376
>op was making claims
OP just reposted an article. He didn't make any claims at all.
>about "outer space."
Near space, not outer space.
>>30611418
It was never the idea to reach orbit.
>>30611541
well it was for the X-30
Whats this vehicle supposed to be, some high altitude hypersonic plane carrying ballistic missiles?
>>30611575
Probably the idea, yes.
>>30611575
Pretty much a hypersonic MiG-25RB armed with Kh-15-like PGM.
>>30608100
Also complete and total fantasy.
>>30608836
>>30608849
what's the story on this chink plane? did it ever fly?
>>30612439
No.
>>30608100
Hilariously, the Burgers already have a counter for it.
>>30608100
Yes.
>>30608100
A concept
>>30612439
Looks like a wind tunnel test model for the J-20's rear end.
Lockhead has said they could build an SR-72 hypersonic drone spy plane for just a billion. Now obviously this is due to the US already spending billions on various black DARPA programs over the years, but it does show that this technology is theoretically possible. Could Russia do it? Practically it would take a space race type investment, so it isn't likely, but I do think Russia has the brain power and manufacturing to pull it off it wanted to.
>>30613348
http://lockheedmartin.com/us/news/features/2015/sr-72.html
The US could build this in a few years if it wanted to. Lockheed Martin must have bumped into a wall in the normal back channels though. Apparently the CIA thinks the RQ-180 is the type of platform it needs going forward. That is just a guess though.
>>30613348
The big issue is what role it is.
There are already VLO spy satellites, and VLO aircraft.
If they can pick you up on radar, it kind of fucks with the whole spying thing.
>>30613348
>Could Russia do it? Practically it would take a space race type investment
...or, they could cheat and grab the needed info from under-defended US computer systems.
>>30613446
There's a difference between information and industrial experience.
You're going to need a lot of skilled workers and shit to put concepts into practice in this kind of engineering.
>>30608787
>Hypersonic cruise missiles are the future.
The future is laser area denial. Hypersonic anything will not be able to avoid detection, and so you're either going to have to go Hypersonic in such massive quantities that the target literally can't burn them all up, or you're going to have to avoid detection until you're close enough to sprint in before you can be burned up.
Hypersonic is useless for high technology planetary warfare, apart from things that can't be destroyed by lasers, like unguided kinetic strikes.
>>30609388
>Dude, their rocket engines are best, US buys them.
If the Russians were better at rocket engines than the US, they wouldn't have had to do pic related.
No, Russian engines are cheap as fuck. and reasonably reliable. They aren't the best.
>>30613894
They barely have any accidents anymore you fucking autist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_spaceflight-related_accidents_and_incidents
Russians make extremely reliable space vehicles and rockets. If I had $50mil, I'd go to ISS on one of their rockets without any fear.
>>30613894
>they wouldn't have had to do pic related
They didn't have to do it, Korolev just knew whose cock to suck in the government to push his retarded project. Look up RD-270 and UR-700.
>They aren't the best.
Yes they are.
>>30613956
I was not refering to the the fact that the N1 exploded.
I was refering to the fact that the first stage needed 30 NK-15s because they couldn't make a better motor.
>>30613956
I'd ride it too. I'm just saying they aren't the technological or efficiency leaders.
Especially efficiency.
>>30608849
What would be really cool is if the Chinese guys would, you know, put fishing line coming out of the nose like lasers, and then paint the lines with glow in the dark paint, and then turn on the black light dude!
>>30614349
>they couldn't make a better motor
Yes they could and did.
>they aren't the technological or efficiency leaders
Yes they are.
>>30608923
>that guy
>logical comment
>>30608180
That poor T-4MS shows up every time the words "future", "bomber" and 'Russia" get mentioned in relation to each other.
>>30609276
"Pic related' is a badly drawn floating head, not a real human. Your opinion is as irrelevant as you.
>>30609442
Officially yes, but "Layka" would be closer in terms of pronunciation.
>>30613894
>They aren't the best.
>>30614236
>Yes they are.
USSR was traditionally good at liquid fueled engines, while not so good at solid fuel engines.
For the US - this was backwards.
>>30609316
>PPP
Because building a space plane is the same as buying bread or consumer electronics.
>>30609636
>Russian economy's doing just fine
>>30616774
>Because building a space plane is the same as buying bread or consumer electronics.
If you use locally produced stuff - sure it is.
>>30613290
No, you see, Russia has already made fifty of them and has successfully tested them all.
Putin himself flew in all of them to show they are of finest quality.
You just don't know about them until now because they are also invisible!
>>30616803
>sure it is
Not even remotely similar. I don't know if you got the memo but russia is no longer a command economy.
>>30616839
>russia is no longer a command economy.
Most of it military and space companies are under government control. Also they created few holdings, so all companies in, for example, production chain for engines are under control of united engine-building corporation. Same shit with RosKosmos. It is closest to command economy you can get.
>>30616965
Weapons research and production does not make up the bulk of the russian economy, no?
Last time I checked russia got most of their cash from oil which is still traded in dollars. Not that it matters since space plane development is not exactly consumer goods. Unless there are shelves full of space plane research to buy in russia, the price of which we can compare to the space plane development filing the american stores, PPP is worthless here.
>>30608100
>developing
Will be funded loig enough for the manaegrs to get shiny new lada's and for their assistance to get implanted double d's. Then it'll have funding cuts, stagnated development and then be shut down altogether.
See Pakfa
>>30608100
Will go nicely with the planned nuclear space engine, the planned 250t throw weight rocket, the planned new space station and the fleet of super sonic stealth transport planens that will transport the thousands of T-14 tanks russia will build.
USA BTFO
>>30609148
>as if economy matters.
>This is what russia str000nkers actually believe
>>30617079
Don't you know? Everything is possible with the power of PPP! Amerialiures made a mistake bringing in all those external partners and all their money into the F-35 program, by keeping it a national matter they could have built six gorillon of them without any problems! All thanks to the power of PPP!
>>30617122
>Amerialiures made a mistake bringing in all those external partners and all their money into the F-35 program, by keeping it a national matter they could have built six gorillon of them without any problems!
What an idiot. They kept it national matter and build glorious F-22. Which is already better than F-35 ever will be.
>>30617249
To be fair, none of the problems of the F-35 can be traced to the partners in the project. It's not like lofty and outlandish demands by Denamark crippled the design.
>>30609276
t. American shill
>>30617007
wut?
>most of their cash from oil which is still traded in dollars
They print their own "cash"- the Ruble, and last I checked they don't use the dollar except for settling external balances and reserves.
>Unless there are shelves full of space plane research to buy in russia
They pay their own development people in Rubles and they don't import technology from abroad.
>the future is drones
>icbms are basically drones thst have been foing this for years
>bother building a cockpit onto one
>trollface.jpg
good fight russia
>>30609365
Something akin to SABRE is something I thought as well.
Also this reminds me of that one USMC project that was about developing a sub-orbital spaceplane that would enable striking anywhere in the world in 2 hours.
Anyone remember what it was called?
>>30617429
Ah, found it:
>SUSTAIN https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SUSTAIN_(military)
Space Marines when?
>>30611418
>And what benefit does it bring compared to just building a larger rocket and burning a little more fuel?
You don't have to build a new one every time.
>>30608100
Holy shit we star wars now
The US has a space plane they're not giving much info about. That means we already have the capability to shoot down the Russian's space plane. Now they'll need to make a space fighter in response.
>>30617546
>Now they'll need to make a space fighter in response.
space fighters would pretty much just be missiles.
>>30617552
more like drones
>>30617583
Modern missiles are pretty much suicide drones.
>>30617038
Coming from a country that still has problems with its "5th" gen F-35 16 (sixteen) years after its first flight this is truly golden.
>>30617364
The oil market is entirely based on the dollar, which is what the russians will be paid in, rubles are only ever used in russia.
>They pay their own development people in Rubles and they don't import technology from abroad.
So? This doesn't free them from the basics if economics.
Having your own currency doesn't allow tinpot dictators to spend freely, not Mugabe nor Putin can escape this.
>>30608733
>space fighter just sitting there gathering rust
Such is life in russia
>>30609636
>US is one step away from a full-on race war.
Sure it is, Sergei. Sure it is.
>>30609276
>hungry family
you would be totally correct with this meme ... if it would be still early 90's
t. NOT slav
seriously, pick up fresh bantz for russians or even better - educate yourself
>>30608100
Lol, fuck off vatnik. Russians incapable to design proper 5th generation fighter.
>>30617874
>only amercans wants to burn billions on unwanted generation of fighters
>skipping a generation is a bad thing for russians
>>30617862
Back to the bread line, vatnik.
>>30617890
>Only Americans
>Meanwhile 12 countries are buying F-35s
>>30617890
Skipping 5th generation and forever stuck on Sukhoi 4+++++? Ok.
>>30617902
He said "wants", not "forced to".
http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20160714/1465896915.html
Like I said, this is a classic scientist rapes reporter case.
/thread
>>30617930
like the USSR forced equipment onto Finland...my nigga? Like post USSR Russia tried to intimidate Finland and neighboring countries into buying Slav again?
>>30617930
Who is forcing those countries to buy F-35s?
>>30617905
Sounds like Russia is just sticking with what works.
Not even the US continues to make 5th Gen jets, because they're so expensive.
And how's that F-35 project coming along? You'd think a country with so many Mexicans would have gotten it done by now.
>>30617597
>>30617597
>Coming from the only country to actually have a fleet of working stealth aircraft and the current only working stealth fighter in existance. Aswell as a flag on the moon.
Stay mad europoors
>>30618206
>Has a fleet of working stealth aircraft
>STILL has problems with its "5th" gen F-35 16 (sixteen) years after its first flight despite that
Simply can't mare this shit up.
>Aswell as a flag on the moon.
>His country doesn't have its coat of arms on the Moon that didn't turn into the national flag of France with time
You are trying too hard.
>>30617905
>stuck on Sukhoi
Like something bad.
>>30618206
Certainly, the US space program has accomplished more than any other nation. Landing on the Moon was the peak, though you haven't reached that level since.
However, space accomplishments have nothing to do with the quality of US aircraft.
>>30618374
>Landing on the Moon was the peak
Billions were spend for the flag without any real purpose. Soviets build space stations and launched spy satellites.
>>30618259
>STILL has problems with its "5th" gen F-35 16 (sixteen) years after its first flight despite that
What planet are you on
>>30618583
http://fortune.com/2016/03/10/the-f-35-is-still-a-mess/
>>30618428
Because the USA doesn't have space stations and spy satellites?
>>30618583
He gets his news from RT and fortune, I wouldn't take the slavaboo seriously.
>>30618201
Wut? The USA is making 3k F-35s. There'a already 100 already built.
>>30618971
USA didn't possess modular space station technology before Russians kindly decided to share their experience with Mir.
>>30618998
And that's false erick, skylab experimented with modular tech.
>>30618981
>But a scathing new report from the Pentagon office in charge of testing and evaluating U.S. military weapons systems suggests that America’s fifth-generation, all-purpose combat jet is anything but ready for combat.
Pentagon are the agents of Kremlin, all lies, F-35 has no problems.
how ignorant of the space programs are you?
>>30619025
How old is that "new" report because the F-35A is pretty much ready to go. It's already being delivered to other countries and there are close to 100 already flying in the USA.
>>30619012
No, Eugene, it did not. Skylab is a single module in orbit with a single spaceship docked to it. Soviet Salute had two docking ports, hence was capable to receive multiple crews or supplies for a crew in orbit from a transport spacecraft. USA struggled to develop its own modular Freedom station during the whole 80s with exactly zero point double zero success because it simply didn't have the technology to. The US never succeeded in it before Russians shared their decades long experience in developing, constructing and operating modular space stations.
>>30619052
How long till its annual entire fleet grounding?
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/21/politics/f-35-software-system-gao-report/
>>30619095
There has only been 1 and that was like 3 years ago. How long can you continue to use the same dumb memes?
The SU-27 has had more entire fleet groundings over the last 3 years than the F-35. Did you know that?
>>30608100
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVqQKF7xgTQ
>>30619070
Yes it did Davis. Skylab operated a separate non pressurized telescope that was not part of the original design, helping NASA understand the requirements of docking on to a larger station permanently.
>>30619132
I'm sure that's what CNN tells you.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/23/business/new-troubles-for-pentagons-f-35-fighter.html
https://theaviationist.com/2014/07/04/f-35-grounding-2014/
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/03/24/US-F-35-Grounded-Putin-s-New-Jet-Beats-Us-Hands-Down
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3552155/Controversial-F-35-fighter-jet-brain-problem-entire-fleet-grounded-claims-report.html
Every fucking year.
>>30619132
The Russians still fly the 27, when it's horribly outdated and falling apart.
They should've just built more MiGs.
>>30619171
>mad about tech issues of a new fighter.
>still less grounding issues than any aircraft in the Russian or US arsenal during testing.
>>30619163
>non pressurized telescope
Seriously now? I don't think "multi-modular space station" means what you think it means, Eugene.
>>30619171
Actually it isn't what CNN tells me.
The F-35 wasn't grounded this year, did you even read the articles you posted? Or were you in such a giddy mood to shit post you forgot?
The F-35 hasn't been grounded since 2014.
Russia and various other SU-27, SU-30 operators ground their planes every year. As well as a variety of other jets.
>>30608100
This is a space plane. And probably a work of fiction because no one is allowed to weaponize space except for china because china didn't sign that treaty.
>>30619174
>The Russians still fly the 27, when it's horribly outdated and falling apart.
Can't you say the same about the F-15, F-16, and especially stuff like the B-52 though?
>>30619196
Nyet, methinks you don't know anything about spaceflight in general if you can't make the connection.
Once you get to college go to the library and ask for books on orbital mechanics and the history of American spaceflight.
>>30608100
Russia cant afford this. Even if it were a viable system which i doubt.
>>30619214
Whens the last time we had to ground the F15, 16 or 52 fleets?
And Russia grounds theirs once a year.
America has mastered the ancient art of good ground crews.
>>30619192
>Being this BTFO
I am not mad about a new fighter having Issues, I'm educating a fatnik in deep damage control that complains about T-50's development coming from a country that has a fleet of working stealth aircraft and STILL has problems with its "5th" gen F-35 16 (sixteen) years after its first flight are truly golden.
Can someone explain what's the point? Ballistic missiles deliver more payload and entry vehicles are way smaller target then fat bomber no?
>>30619238
>thinking anyone in this tread has been BTFO aside from you
You're forgetting something tovarish, хищнaя птицa is your clue.
>>30619238
it's 6 years after the T-50's first flight, and they have yet to receive a major order for production. I think that says more about the project than anything else.
It's a spacedrone
By the way, why don't we have spacedrones yet? Wouldn't they be perfect to set up a spacebase in advance so that eventually people can live in pre-made space colonies?
>>30619225
>Didn't actually address any points
>Resorted to strawman demagogy and ad hominem
At this point you are simply embarrassing yourself.
>>30619279
?
>>30619286
You didn't make any points in your response tovarish.
If you get to college, find some material.
>>30619250
>Can someone explain what's the point?
There is none.
>>30619260
The T-50 is in the long grass. The old aircraft Russia exports are cheaper, combat proven and just as good.
>>30619307
Combat proven? Not really. The SU-27/SU-30 line has never faced air to air combat except in the Ethiopian war, and it was vs each other.
>>30609144
/thread
>>30619319
Mostly no, but the Mig-29 is what most countries want. That aircraft does the job fine. The Russians just have silly ideas about lending people money to buy their crappy new aircraft, rather than new models of the old aircraft customers actually want.
>>30608100
Lol fuck international law
>>30619450
What's the mig-29s record? 0-30?
>>30612626
dat rust
>>30608100
>New Russian Bomber to Be Able to Launch Nuclear Attacks From Outer Space
That's a declaration of war, Russia isn't that stupid.
>>30620913
Saltwater is corrosive. News at 11.
Take a look at Russia's """"fleet""""".
>>30613894
>If the Russians were better at rocket engines than the US, they wouldn't have had to do pic related.
They didn't have the capability to build parts they needed to make larger engines, according to that documentary (The engines that came in from the cold). If they did have the industry capable of that, they certainly would have.
Guess what? They do now have the capability of producing larger rocket engines and do so.
>>30620967
America now makes the best engines at spacex, and maybe blue origin
The problem was always the fucking defense contractor jews
>>30620967
They still haven't developed a single chamber engine as large as the Saturn V rocket. Their largest rocket was actually produced in Ukraine, and I don't think they have access to it now.
>>30608100
>nuclear weapons
Honestly when is there going to be a time to justifiably use nuclear weapons? The long-term harmful effects of a nuclear blasts just isn't worth it
>>30621163
>Honestly when is there going to be a time to justifiably use nuclear weapons?
When you simply have nothing else to fall back on and you still want an aggressive foreign policy, like Russia.
>>30620967
>They didn't have the capability
RD-fucking-270. Look it up. Look at that impulse. If it doesn't make your duck hard you are probably gay.
>>30621112
>America now makes the best engines at spacex
The "best space engines" that require basically the same rocket composition as N-1? Come on.
>>30621132
>They still haven't developed
They did.
>Their largest rocket was actually produced in Ukraine
Largest ICBM. Designed by a Russian. Meanwhile event fucking Brazil pulled out of cooperation with Ukraine on the space rocket they were trying to build.
>>30621163
When a foreign government department known for dropping nukes on civilians calls you an existential threat.
>>30622132
>Russians
>giving a damn about the Japs
crocodiletears.jpg
>>30622132
>he thinks centers of production aren't fair game in total war
We warned the civilians with leaflets telling them that the city was about to get fucked. They had the opportunity to flee.
>>30622163
Geopolitics is half crocodile tears half whataboutism.
>>30622188
Americans were basically at their gates, Russians were about carry out their marvellous operation in Manchuria. What exactly were those bombing for?
>>30622093
Leave my duck out of this, you sick fuck. He has done nothing to you
>>30622308
Harder than ever.
>>30622295
>Americans were basically at their gates, Russians were about carry out their marvellous operation in Manchuria. What exactly were they not surrendering for?
>>30622331
Haven't seen that image years holy shit.
>>30622336
I mean don't you think it was kinda overkill?
>>30622385
Got a small pack of those that I didn't post for ages. Feels old, man.
>>30622457
well yeah, in hindsight.
>>30609148
>printing money
>what is hyperinflation
>what is mega devaluation
>>30622576
His point about printing is of course retarded, but Russian military industrial complex does indeed barely suffer from currency devaluation.
>>30622617
Just stating the consecuences (of printing money like a faggot) here.
>>30622163
Soviet Union fought and destroyed 1mln strong uniformed Kwantung army with tanks, artillery and machine guns.
The US fought and destroyed 200k+ Japanese civilians with two atomic bombs
Those are the greatest respective victories by USSR and USA against Imperial Japan.
It unequivocally informs us that:
1) Americans have inherent lack of confidence in conducting land offensive against industrial nation with any semblance of modern defense capabilites
2) Americans acknowledge no rules, morals or ethics against the use of weapons of mass destruction on civilian population
Based on this, we can tell that US will never fight Russia conventionally. They can't afford to let Russians retreat all the way back to Volga or Moscow. The attack will be sudden and it will be nuclear, so the Russian countermeasures must be similar in nature.
>>30623045
>with tanks, artillery and machine guns
With tanks, artillery and machine guns rush across the mountains. This has to be one of the most epic shit even happened in the history of military warfare.
>>30623045
>Those are the greatest respective victories by USSR and USA against Imperial Japan.
I like how you basically ignored the preceding 3-4 years of actual combat between the US and Japanese while the eastern Soviet forces basically sat on their asses and only joined in when Japan was far past the point of being able to fight back.
>>30623045
Those are some nice broad sweeping generalizations with no actual military theory behind them.
>>30623045
> Americans acknowledge no rules, morals or ethics against the use of weapons of mass destruction on civilian population
Except we used leaflet bombs to inform the civilian population that the nuclear bombs were going to be dropped.
>>30623045
I'm sorry, are you implying that American troops didn't engage and destroy the Imperial Japanese Army on many occasions?
Because if so, you are either:
1. Incredibly dishonest
2. Utterly retarded
>>30611304
>several hundred thousand meters per second to achieve orbit
Holy fucking shit, confirmed for having no idea in hell what you're talking about
>>30608100
Dose the Sputniknews article have any thing todo with the UK backing Sabre rocket engine concept?
12.07.2016
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-36773074
13.07.2016
http://sputniknews.com/military/20160713/1042888473/russia-space-bomber-engine.html
>Ivan; Look Sergei Brits make hypersonic SSTO spaceplane
>Sergei; Then we make hypersonic SSTO spaceplane bomber
>Ivan; But who will build this?
>Sergei; Ivan go see Tupolev, they had some good ideas and Ivan while you're out...
>Ivan; Yes Sergei?
>Sergei; could you get me some vodka, I'm all out!
pray that Trump becomes the President so we don't end up in war with Russia.
>>30624315
>paper plane
Skylon is about as real as Tupolev concept.
India's RLV on the other hand....
>>30624315
>autism
russians have been funding that project for years.
>>30608100
kek, we'll just shoot it down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeX4kHPCrCI
