How is the common infantryman supposed to destroy one of these beasts?
with a radio and air support
>>30581371
By waiting till the guys inside the tank are asleep
>>30581371
Javelin or TOW 2B, AT4 to the side or rear of the turret or hull maybe.
>>30581372
But wut if dey got nunthat
>>30581487
u ded son
With the plethora of effective AT shoulder weapons available.
Better question is how they defeat this
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trophy_(countermeasure)#
>>30581487
Its gunna be great when women join the front lines, we'll tell them the tonk is symbol of the patriarchy and is going to oppress them.
>then we run away
>>30581490
Chaff might gum up the radar works enough. Alternatively, some kind of rapid fire high capacity infantry rocket weapon might be able to get the system to expend all its 'rounds', leaving the vehicle open to a larger munition.
Long Range ATGM's for standoff engagement ability
Terrain Masking or anti-tank obstacles or terrain they are unable to handle, roadblocks, smokescreens
Close-Range anti tank weapon ambushes to vulnerable points of the vehicle (sides, rear, top, all vulnerable to modern short-range AT, should have enough at bear to overwhelm active or ERA type armors or at least dissuade them from coming in close without infantry support)
it reall depends on how the armor is being utilized
>>30581371
Cousin is an 0351, says they're trained to aim for the track then flank its rear cause it can't depress it's turret low enough from behind. Or if you had a shot from behind already
>>30581490
Multifire system with a primary chaff/jammer missile followed by a secondary AT missile.
>>30581490
throw a penny on one side of the tank. While the Trophy is busy looking for the lost shekel, hit it with an AT4 from the opposite side.
>>30581606
Dear god. Why not just save the trouble and blow yourself up with a grenade
>>30581371
Like this.
>>30581620
How about you just git gud and don't panic quit IRL?
with a soviet surplus
>>30581630
Or just get blown up by a 125mm HE.
>>30581624
crew survived
>>30581649
Cool story, fatnik.
>>30581681
you sound mad boi
>>30581703
Fatnik projections.
>>30581715
>>30581681
this kid lmao
>>30581371
>>30581624
monkey model
>>30581720
Fatnik damage control.
>>30581742
Proofs that the blow out panels failed????
>>30581490
give the AT missile it's own APS, to counter the tank APS.
>>30581793
>Fatnik proofster
Top kek.
>>30581802
Congratulations, you just accidentally tandem warhead.
>>30581810
a regular tandem warhead is held together as a single unit. But if we stack them like duplex ammo so that they separate mid-flight then the APS would go after the first one. To make it simpler to manufacture let's make it triplex so we're producing the same warhead instead of two different ones
>>30581804
No proofs!
>>30581636
> Bounced off the road and into the belly of the tank.
>>30581525
>some kind of rapid fire high capacity infantry rocket weapon might be able to get the system to expend all its 'rounds'
This, at least initially. smaller dumb munitions that are basically rocket motors used to spoof the system into expending its ammo. It would work until APS systems become sophisticated enough to distinguish and properly classify threats.
>>30581649
That was not the point now was it?
>>30581490
Does trophy stop top attack? if not. enjoy the javelin.
>>30581371
>>30581987
Air support covereth a multitude of sins.
>>30581380
>AT4
naw
Spam Missles and hope one gets through
>>30581371
with ten dollar worth RPGs
>>30581490
does this counter RPGs?
>>30581371
He doesent.
>>30581371
sticky bombs nigguh have you not seen saving private ryan?
>>30581371
>rock beats scissors, scissors beats paper, 1911 kills everything.
>>30581371
If he's poor then he can't do shit.
If he's American he just fires a round from his AR-15 and the tank is destroyed.
This is the power of freedom.
>>30581636
> 0 sauce
> 0 citation
> unwatermarked basically a greentext story with a meme tier image
>>30582521
I believe it's true, I've heard it before.
Still that makes I think 2 Challengers 2 lost in battle, out of which one from friendly fire(HESH went heshters gonna hesh and fucked it up).
>>30582464
yes, there's a video demo of it stopping an RPG-7. It uses radar to detect anything about the size and incoming about the speed of anti-tank weapons
>>30582541
and how does a guerrilla/insurgents counter this device?
>>30582521
No, it actually happened but the driver lost his foot. So what, tank is still operable.
>>30582541
So, if a sniper uses an anti-material cartridge like the 50BMG, would the Device try and attack the cartridge?
Tanks are literal shit in modern warfare. They are basically a huge pile of money waiting to get burned outdated machines. It's a fucking joke the U.S. Still produces them. They make good cover but they could make a far better vehicle for transport and cover with light weaponry and save a lot of cash. All you idiot freckle faced military asshats who think Tanks are still relevant need a serious reality check.
>>30582541
and how many rpgs it can stop per minute?
two from different directions? three?
a dozen?
>>30582576
Finally somebody with some common sense.
>>30582568
a .50 BMG bullet is nowhere near the size of an RPG
>>30582576
cool
>>30582576
People have been saying that for 70 years. And for 70 years you have been wrong.
>>30582576
Anime is a literal shit in modern cartoons. They are basically a huge pile of money waiting to get burned outdated comics. It's a fucking joke Japan Still produces them. They make good Time waste but they could make a far better entertainment method for fun and recreation with better art and save a lot of cash. All you idiot freckle faced art asshats who think Anime is still relevant need a serious reality check.
![cotd_email_1461119920_00032[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Tqnspwn.jpg "cotd_email_1461119920_00032[1].jpg")
>>30581371
Approach on a moped with one of these on the back, entice american pigs to open hatch with promise of sucky-sucky, toss a grenade inside.
>>30582590
ok then, 20mm decoys? fire them until the APS is empty, then fire real RPGs
is this how it can get countered?
>>30582615
that may set it off but you wouldn't want to take pot shots at a tank when it can shoot back
>>30581986
of course it does you retard
>>30582615
>RPGs to the side of a Chally 2
You can spare your energy for something else
>>30582620
3 guerilla soldiers shooting at you from different directions, and every one of them is firing his decoys behind a well camouflaged bush from about 500 meters
you think pogs will fight back instead of shitting their pants inside the tank?
>Knock on hatch
>"Who's there?"
>Throw grenade in
>>30582605
The funny thing is Anime is anime is actually more relevant than tanks. I'm sorry you're favorite war machine is basically fodder to a mud man with a rpg, ohh wait no I'm not because tank lovers are fucking idiots who are idiots who would still be using pitch forks in war if they had their way. It's time to grow up and admit these machines are useless money pits.
>>30582624
we're talking about merkevas
>>30582636
>Autism:the post
do your parents a favor and end yourself
>>30582636
you just say they are bad and meme a bit while not explaining how they are bad?
>>30582636
The funny thing tanks are actually more relevant than anime. I'm sorry you're favorite recreation method is basically a waste of time and fapbait, ohh wait no I'm not because weebshits are fucking idiots who are idiots who would still be using pitch forks in war if they had their way. It's time to grow up and admit these chinese cartoons are useless money pits.
PS:too many mistakes, you type like an underage
>>30581617
Kek
>>30582646
this
>>30582646
Wow you're really mad. Tanks are being outclassed in every way on the battlefield and it's not even the fact that they suck in modern war but how expensive they are for a shit machine. I find it amusing you think your childish war toy still means anything and your war fantasy of driving a tank is fodder to a towel head that works as a sheep herder in his normal life and is costing most military's an arm and a leg when they could be spending on far better equipment that would simply outclass a tank and save more lives but if you can have your fantasys who cares about reality right?
>>30582677
to long didnt read
kill yourself kid
>>30582685
That just means you have the average attention span of a tankfag. Congratulations!
>>30581810
Tandem warheads are ineffective against Trophy.
>>30582688
keep proving my point buddy :)
AT gun? a shoulder fired missile?
>>30582695
Your not my buddy friend. I wouldn't associate myself with a brain dead army back in my day type fag who refuses to accept the future.
>>30582706
keep proving my point buddy :)
>>30582710
I'm not your mom I should have to explain anything that's common sense to you. Look it up for yourself.
>>30582717
>shouldn't
>>30582716
You think you're smart but you're only repeating the same thing because you have no argument to defend your glorified tractor with a gun attached to it. Stay mad and don't bother responding.
>>30582729
Keep proving my point buddy :)
>>30582717
kek nice response
>tanks are bad
why?
>i shouldn't have to explain that to you
>>30582677
Wow you're really mad. anime is being outclassed in every way on the cartoons field and it's not even the fact that they suck in modern art but how expensive they are for a shit cartoon. I find it amusing you think your childish chinese cartoon still means anything and your fantasy of driving a slashing swords is fodder to a towel head that works as a sheep herder in his normal life and is costing most artists a headache and a time waste when they could be spending on far better drawing methods that would simply outclass anime and save more time but if you can have your fantasys who cares about reality right?
>>30582735
KEK
>>30582739
>>30581826
amerifat mad
>>30582734
>>30582735
>>30582739
Typical tank fags. No arguments and all talk. I honestly feel bad for you tin foil hat wearing motherfuckers. Nobody gives a fuck about tanks anymore besides you in your little worlds. I'm honestly laughing at your so called arguments you're trying to muster up in your desperation to defend these antiquated hunks of metal.
>>30582729
Do the world a favour and end yourself, we have already too many underage fat faggots jerking off to anime locked in their room the whole day eating Doritos.
>>30582747
*unzips dick47*
no u
>>30582754
Typical anime fags. No arguments and all talk. I honestly feel bad for you tin foil hat wearing motherfuckers. Nobody gives a fuck about anime anymore besides you in your little worlds. I'm honestly laughing at your so called arguments you're trying to muster up in your desperation to defend these antiquated hunks of cartoon.
>>30582624
>Sandniggers not removing protection caps
>RPG's not detonating
>Not even once
>>30582758
>>30582754
Keep proving my point buddy :)
>>30582767
>>30582754
prove how tanks have no place in warfare
here is a tip
>not all wars are going to be an insurgency
>>30581617
I've already stated my argument! I've said Tanks at useless in modern warfar and are junk In the actual battlefield. They're made fodder by people anybody with a landmine of rpg. I've yet to hear anybody give any great reason why tanks aren't basically overpriced hunks of metal. You guys are fucking retarded. I'm made my case but I'm still waiting for some sort of a defense from you guys.
>>30582804
Keep proving my point buddy :)
ps: you mad as fuck replying to troll posts
>>30582804
I've already stated my argument! I've said anime is useless in modern art and are junk In the actual art field. They're made crap by people anybody with a pen and paper. I've yet to hear anybody give any great reason why anime aren't basically overpriced hunks of paper. You guys are fucking retarded. I'm made my case but I'm still waiting for some sort of a defense from you guys.
>all those typos, what are you? an underage?
>>30582804
so your solution is to get less armoured smaller alternatives?
and landmines and rpg's wont work on them either?
>>30582521
if you put sean chance into google you'll find that the telegraphv(of london) ran this story. the telegraph don't make things up if they can be denied/ easily shown to be false. this happened.
>>30582820
This isn't even about anime you pale ass dumb bitch fuckboy. Tanks are garbage. Let's stick to the argument at hand.
>>30582823
The money saved could buy better equipment for soldiers and other parts of the military. Think outside the box Mcfly!
>>30582770
>70 times
>>30582835
This isn't even about tanks you pale ass dumb bitch fuckboy.anime is garbage. Let's stick to the argument at hand.
>>30582804
>posts anime
>expects to be taken serious
>>30582835
lol so what how do we get around then? if we cant use fucking cars anymore because you just ruled them out?
are you not aware of the whole mechanised infantry assault on iraq? should the troops have just walked across the desert or some shit?
>>30582804
ready for this? Until we move to swarm warfare with drones, and that will happen, but not yet...we will have an issue where infantry with out tanks will be killed by infantry with tanks.
Tanks are starting to field active countermeasures as a matter of course around the world. some of these are so damn good they can mitigate incoming tank rounds.
Pontificate on that; anti tank weapons no longer guarantee a tank kill.
trophy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VrAUTP6rTg
drozd/arena:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MZWyt5_tug
Quick kill:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pnl2698Xkqw
http://breakingdefense.com/2016/03/missile-defense-for-tanks-raytheon-quick-kill-vs-israeli-trophy/
The long story short is, these systems are over 8 years old at the youngest. The technology has evolved, and now your horizon has been expanded.
>>30582841
Ha! You stupid idiot bitch face. That's not even an anime! Typical tankfag not even knowing basic facts.
>>30582835
I have some points as to why tanks are good.
1. A tank could act as a moving shield for infantry.
2. A tank could provide heavy covering fire.
3. A tanl can clear the way for infantry and other vehicles
>>30582859
tank*
>>30582853
>>30582859
Maybe I was being a bit hasty when I said tanks are garbage guys. Thanks for coming up with an argument and convincing me otherwise. I'll admit I was wrong and be done with it. I'm sorry,
>>30582854
>Ha! You stupid idiot bitch face. That's not even an tank! Typical animefag not even knowing basic facts.
>>30581371
>>30581372
this
>>30581380
then this
>>30581374
and then as a last resort this
>>30582874
ANIMEFAGS BTFO ETERNALLY
>>30582886
What do you think of her though? She's cute ha?
>>30582893
What do you think of her though? she's cute ha?
>>30582893
She is cute and your argument about tanks isn't far from reality. Something needs to be done to improve them by a lot or they really could end up irrelevant.
>>30582874
don't worry tanks wont be very helpful when we get involved in space wars
>>30582908
You don't know that anon, we could still use them when we are invading a space nigger planet.
>>30582919
i meant like just general space ship to space ship fighting
>>30582900
Anon you are right now just being a fucking faggot.
>>30582919
But the niggers on space planet would probably just destroy them without breaking a sweat with RPGs even though they're dirt poor and cost the military hundreds of thousands of dollars but at least they'd look cool.
>>30582925
Oh, my bad then.
>>30582874
you are a good dude, and a mature man. Have a picture of a scopedog. VOTOMS. and a video of DOUGRAM!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuaCdGUamco
>>30581490
I think the most effective way to beat APS will be with the use of top down attack, in a similar fashion to latest TOW systems. The system must have an envelope, so the objective would be to design a weapon which can deliver a kill from the outside of that envelope. Considering that most AT systems use shaped charge the goal is to develop a shaped charge which can be delivered by missile from the outside of the APS engagement envelope.
>>30582944
>war never changes
>>30581371
Bury an anti-tank mine into the ground, jump into your fox hole, and wait.
>>30582974
I do it on bf4 all the time.
>>30582930
Anon you are right now just being a fucking faggot.
Aren't (multiple) molotov cocktails a severe problem even for modern tanks because their fire-extinguish system isn't that effective?
>>30583001
>>30583001
Anon you are right now just being a fucking faggot.
>>30583015
>>30582835
how do we make fast movements through fortifications and defences into the enemy's rear without tanks
>>30583024
>>30583017
Anon you are right now just being a fucking faggot.
>>30583036
i can't handle your shitposting so have some CP
>>30583048
Anon that isn't CP.
>>30582859
all these ignore the tanks main asset, it's MOBILITY
>>30583066
I am fucking retarded, sorry anon.
>>30582630
>do you think tanks will fight back against the guys shooting at them with rifles from behind a bush?
>>30582551
Fuck off ISIS
>>30581636
Haha. The tank got penetrated by a modern AT weapon and one soldier was injured seriously and the mother is crying about cover ups? Well shit, he could have been in a T-72 and just outright died along with his entire crew.
>>30581371
Explosively Formed Penetrators might work.
>>30581371
...Grenades.
>>30582576
>>30582716
Is your point that u r dumb. Because you have proved that
Bring your own tank
>>30583010
RPG, AT4 or anti-tank mine hit to the treads to disable. Call in arty strike to clear out supporting infantry. Approach cautiously and light the fucker on fire.
>>30582529
No, it wasn't lost in battle.
Tank itself was fine. It functioned perfectly. The driver who was wounded even drove it home after the event.
Basically, it took a very good AT weapon to possibly the worst place to get hit on a tank (Belly joint) and came away effectively unscathed and one WIA.
Somehow this is a thing that Vatniks consider an achievement.
>>30581636
>the government is covering up a young man's white lie to his mother about the danger he could face in war
>the government is covering up the fact that you can be hurt in a war
The age we live in...
>>30581822
>rocket scattergat
aww yiss
>>30583826
No, the driver being wounded means it's a critical failure
Compare this to stronk t-72, the advanced engineering means that if you hit it anywhere in the hull with an RPG-7, it's turret will flip as intended by glorious soviet designers
haha, stay jealous western dogs
>>30581371
Shoot the fucker driving the fuel truck. Some of you faggots put tanks on pedestals and don't even realize what a deep hole or wadi can do to these things.
>>30581374
>implying a trained tank crew will ALL sleep at the same time.
Regardless, depending on the operation they'll probably go back to the FOB to sleep
>>30581649
Funny fact an M1 Abrams has never been destroyed by an enemy tank.
I also believe only like 1 person from a crew has ever died
>>30581624
this. Ye Olde TOW / ATGMs with directional faced warheads. a scout and a radio, a better tank or a few really lucky hits from any of the modern man portable ATGMs
but these threads always like to pretend that combined arms doctrine isnt a thing and that a multimillion dollar modern tank would be alone against modern infantry who are also alone
ITT:
>only serious damage was by friendly fire
>driver losing a foot is nothing, Challenger is fine, barely penetrated
>just a mobility kill, Abrams is fine
>muh monkey models
meanwhile you could pave the road Raqqa-Baghdad with destroyed Abrams
>b-but T-72 is even worse!
So what, doesn't mean western tank are undestroyable
>>30584303
aaand an m1 has been in an engagement with a even remotely well equipped military or equally equipped tank when recently? the armor and gun are still viable but the US is just now equipping main body ground armor with decade-old commo, and the m1 lacks many features that give newer tanks a tactical advantage in terms of target acquisition and situational awareness
>>30581636
>"Oh Christ, That's bad"
kekek
>>30582853
Can these survive small-arms fire?
Obviously the tank will survive, but perhaps the sensors for the APS may be disabled by a few well-place .50bmg?
>>30584303
arent most american casualties actually from friendly fire?
>>30581490
>challenger 2 with trophy CM's
>mfw
>>30581487
den u gibsmedat
In the absence of AT weapons, Other tanks, air support etc an infantry squads best hope of defeating a tank is thus.
1:Draw into close terrain/Built up urban areas
2:Assault tank at close range, targeting the tracks for a mobility kill.
>>30581371
A Panzerfaust
