This thread is about the greatest submachine gun ever.
>>30578347
sorry, faggot, but that doesn't look like your usual greatest submachine gun ever, let me fix that for you
Yeah uzis are great
>>30578347
Aesthetic: 1/10 at least shows off that extendo
Performance: good enough/10
If I wanted one of these or an Uzi, whats a good one to get and price to pay?
I need to build an 80's druglord arsenal.
Suomi thread?
You used the wrong image, but I got you OP.
>>30578416
Last I checked, which has been awhile, a full auto Mac 10/11 is one of the cheapest ways to get a transferable full auto
So if I was you, and you're in it to win it, that's what I'd go with, because of all the SMGs out there, the price you'd pay for a semi auto isn't worth it
gimme a decent stock and I'd rock that shit all day
>>30578381
Thinking of buying one of these. Should i get it in 32 or 9x18? I want a gun in 9x18 but i have lots of 32 and the makarov model looks less aesthetic
But that's not a mini Uzi, 12S, bizon or skorpion
Most importantly it's not a MP5 of any kind
It fails in every category but crudeness
>>30578347
That's not Tec9 but still good my nigga.
>>30578347 (OP) >>30578381>>30578449 >>30578632
You all are wrong cz26 with folding stock progressive trigger and the ability to have a 8 round stopper clip on the side for a quick partial reload
>>30579881
.32
Buy it in the chambering it was designed for
>>30579881
.380 if you ever want to find ammo for it
plan on getting a .32 vz.61 myself made up my mind i really want one.
SIG MPX
>>30580086
been thinking of getting one for a long while ago will start dumping whatever images i got left if i didn't delete them all
also it's no where near the best gun it's very dated. especially a .32
>>30580102
>>30580089
not Czech so therefore not good >sig fag
>>30580120
Guess I lost the others. So here's a picture of an m3 since it's designed around a round when browning figured out how to make semi-automatics bullets work unlike his attempt at .32acp
>>30578632
>WINNER
>>30579878
>decent stock
fuck off narc
>greatest submachine gun
>not a single MP-5
Bunch a slack jawed faggots 'round here
>>30578347
>greatest submachine gun ever.
>>30580557
>>30580783
I always thought that was just a modified sten.
I wonder how much it influenced the AUG design.
>>30581043
austria and austraila are different countries on different continents
>>30578347
isn't that gun made/designed by jews?
i don't like jews and avoid them whenever possible
>>30581043
They have some mechanical similarities with the Sten, but mostly cosmetic as the Owen's actually well built and fairly fucking tough. Also handle a lot better than a Sten, more akin to a carbine, far as I know there's no real direct influences on anything else except perhaps the F1's that came after it post-Vietnam. Though like the F1's, they had a dodgy safety that would probably kill you if you're not careful!
My true love will always be the MP5, but the Owen's kind of a special gun.
>ahem
>>30581155
Pic related is a MAC 10
Strictly American
What you're thinking of is an UZI
>>30581185
thank you for the clarification anon. as you can probably tell I am new to my interests in firearms
>>30580104
What's the reason for the two triggers?
>>30578347
The MAC is good but the sten is better.
>>30580783
>>30581043
Just another example of the fact that Australians are a great, hardworking industrious people and that we have no shortage of bootlicking statists and government beurocracts ever at the ready to stamp the vigour from innovators and people who make shit happen.
Made 10,000 pounds with a great idea that massively benefited the war effort? We'll take half of that thanks.
>>30581219
double the horsepower
>>30578347
> 36 replies
> noone even mentioned the best series of subguns ever created
>>30581184
inb4 'nuh uh it's a PDW'
>>30581307
>jewish guns
>>30581258
this to be desu
Dem asthetics...
Pretiest ITT
>>30581387
thats a .22 uzi isnt it? trust me i know my guns heh heh
>>30581219
To make the rounds go faster and give more thrust per squeeze
>>30581228
Sterling makes sten look like a heap of scrap
space mercenaries love them
grandpa knew what he was doing
>>30581149
Yes. Look at it disassembled here.
>>30580783
Throw a carry handle on it and it looks like the quick release barrel on an AUG. AUG even sort of looks like it in shape despite being a bullpup configuration
>>30580413
just typical hipster faggotry, no one wants to post the obvious one.
>>30578347
>Submachine gun
>Posts machine pistol
All the people in this thread posting machine pistols and calling them submachine guns...
>>30581349
They break em in by test firing on palestinians muslims though.
>>30578381
>VZ61
>Greatest SMG EVER
*Cough Cough What are you going in my seat Faggot? Keeping it warm?
M1A1 Master race stepping in bitch.
>>30581184
>requires an armorer to disassemble after 500 rounds for cleaning
nah bro
>>30582637
If i wanted a Thompson I'd just tie three bricks to a grease gun, it comes down to about the same
>>30578347
Jatimatic is the bestest ever.
>>30578416
An actual transferable MG Uzi would be something like $12000, a good 9mm subgun fetches a fair price due to the low cost of ammo allowing you to shoot it a lot.
If you just want an Uzi rifle, pistol, or SBR, it probably wouldn't break $1000 with an SBR stamp.
Many people think the collapsing folding stock is neat, and it kind of is, but I feel that the old fixed stocks are nicer on your cheek.
>>30582698
This has to be bait
>>30582760
except one you can easily convert to 9mm in a survival situation
>>30578347
Picked up a few at a gun show.
The weight is retarded...at least it reduces recoil, r-right?
>>30582637
> thompson
> good at anything
>>30583250
That's true though, you can't take apart the gas system on your own without a special tool, and you're supposed to clean it every 500 rounds or so.
MGV176
Militarized American 180
>>30581228
The Sten loses out on the fact that the Erma magazines are hysterically shitty.
As someone else says, the Sterling is better than the Sten in every way.
I'd sooner use a MAC M10 or M11/9 with a silencer than a Sten, if I'm going to be honest.
>>30578449
Really good drum mags, but the gun itself is awfully heavy. That does make it easy to control though.
>>30578632
They're good, but I like the American copy better.
>>30579881
Supposedly they're coming out with a .22LR conversion kit for the .32ACP one.
The .380ACP one would probably be a good bet at any rate, however.
>>30580044
That thing isn't for combat reloads, that's just an added tool to assist in filling the magazines outside of combat.
>>30580124
The MPX is actually pretty good though.
>>30581155
Your loss, I'll enjoy my Galils, Uzis and Jerichos.
>>30581307
Great for their time, but they honestly were outclassed by the MP5 in terms of performance.
Which isn't to say they aren't still good.
>>30581219
One trigger is full-auto, the other is semi-auto.
It's not a bad gun honestly, surprisingly good for coming from Fascist Italy.
>>30581184
Gordon Freeman pls go
>>30578381
I bought a parts kit of one and figured I was going to 3d print and aluminum cast the lower. But I got lucky and the cuts were in the right places and I was able to weld the original together with a MIG and some carbon rods. Cut the auto sear and welded a block to the stock slot and sear slot to make it legal. Then blasted it and mag parkerized the lower to make it even. It works flawlessly and is a super fun plinker, with only 315$ in the hole and a weekends worth of time. But I wouldnt put it at the top as best SMG, close but not the best.
>>30578347
This thread is about opinions.
>>30582939
oh, I didn't mean a full auto.
I just want to know which would go better with a Hawaiian shirt and a pair of aviators. As well as actually functioning reliably, that parts kinda important too.
>>30584668
An Uzi pistol/rifle or SBR would go very well with your aloha shirt.
no p90?
>>30583298
Well you can use the obscene weight of the Thompson to beat someone to death when you run out of ammo. Like a Deagle.
>>30584996
After shooting a PS90, I have to wonder - how often do operators injure themselves with those things? It seems like it'd be incredibly easy to accidentally put your hand over the barrel or at least in a position where the blast from the muzzle break would hit your hand.
Jatimatic / 10
>>30581400
Japanese subgun Minebea PM-9.
>>30583298
For being one of the earliest proper subguns, it was quite alright, especially after they dropped that Blish Lock nonsense, but it's awfully heavy and expensive.
I think the later M1A1 was pretty alright in concept but they could have redesigned it to have stamped sheet steel receiver to cut down on weight and manufacturing costs, and then going with a compensator to keep recoil down.
>>30585564
>no stock
>sling loop is the disassembly tab
Not particularly impressive desu
>>30585533
The PS90 has a 16inch barrel; if someone manages to burn himself with the muzzle blast, he deserves to have his hand crisped.
>>30585662
>PS90
>operators
>>30585662
I mean for regular P90s
>>30585674
Well, there's a hand stop right before the barrel, but I still imagine it would be as common as people accidentally themselves with KSGs.
>>30585533
It literally has a stop in front of the grip to prevent your hand from sliding out under the muzzle.
>>30585533
>>30585674
Not likely at all? Like not even in the slightest? You'd have to be immensely fucking retarded.
>>30578632
WINRAR
>>30585660
>Not getting the Cobra reference
>>30585794
I know.
I still don't think it's that amazing of a gun.
If it had a proper stock, it'd have been a whole lot better of a gun.
>>30580783
That's a really fucking sad story.
>>30585827
it´s pretty shit
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESDmEZ577lA&feature=youtu.be
but still a neat Idea/Concept
I wonder how hard it would be to convert a PPSh from 7.62x25 SMG to 7.62x39 LMG.
>>30586650
Well it's fine mechanically, it's basically like an Uzi, it just needs a proper stock so you can fire it from the shoulder properly.
get fucked, son
>>30586710
Would take a heavy recoil spring and bolt for sure.
>>30586710
Why would you want to take that piece of shit and try to make it something it isn't?
Look at an RPD or RPK.
>>30586710
Please stop thinking like moron-tier vidya.
Generally speaking, setting it up to run a physically similar pistol cartridge is plausible.
Going to a much physically longer and higher pressure rifle round in an open bolt SMG is simply not possible without changing almost everything about the weapon's bolt/breech/trunnion/mag & mag well etc.
Get an AK instead. That's basically what you'd have anyway,
>>30583301
I wonder what kind of cooky feed system people will develop in the future once rifle power ammo is this small.
>>30580372
gangster as fuck. if you were the sort of man that could carry this off, you were Escobar or GTA protagonist tier.
>>30580783
the main Character Owen Pitt in the Monster Hunter International series is named after that gun.
>>30581387
looks cool senpai.
>>30582637
My great granduncle had 2 full autos he bought in the late 20's when he was a car thief. he never was some kind of gangster, he was just a dumb hick that could steal cars good and hide them out in the sticks to chop them months later.
>>30586945
I have wanted one of these since i saw it in a gun magazine as a kid.
>>30585688
I am seriously considering buying a KSG, what are these accidents you speak of
>>30587332
retards put a fore-grips designed for ARs onto the under-mounted plastic rail. when they rack the pump they break the rail and they shoot their hand. you can buy aftermarket metal rails for the ksg to entirely negate the problem
>>30583333
>The Sten loses out on the fact that the Erma magazines are hysterically shitty.
>As someone else says, the Sterling is better than the Sten in every way.
>I'd sooner use a MAC M10 or M11/9 with a silencer than a Sten, if I'm going to be honest.
Sten's are still cool as fuck though. Pistol cal weapon that was simple to mass produce and ended up being effective against people with bigger weapons like rifles.
Very neat piece of history
would keep one as a safe queen/10
Sterling would be too tempting to actually shoot some paper and bottles with to leave around in a safe for very long.
>>30578347
Only 3 dollars for reliable .45 stopping power.
>>30587529
Oh yeah, I mean, though the magazines are shit, I still think it's a super cool gun, it has a cool look and it's impressively simple, I like that.
I've always toyed with the idea of making a magwell conversion for a Sten gun to make it feed from Glock magazines, just for reliable mags.
>would keep one as a safe queen
Honestly I'd still take it out every now and then because it's such a cool gun. Not as often as I'd shoot a Sterling, maybe, but still.
>>30587529
sten guns are sexy
especially the MK2
>>30584112
Is getting rid of the stock slot necessary? Those demiled guns always seem like the stock on over folders is welded on in the upright position to the top receiver, so entirely removing it from the thing seems like a big grey area.
You think it'd cost more to get a second threaded barrel to press and pin on it, than it costed you to acquire the thing?
>>30587201
The nork helical mag is pretty cool
>>30586710
Why do I have a photo of this saved and not a better somi
>this kills the man
>>30586710
>7.62x39mm
>straight blowback
Have fun cocking that bolt back, also have fun with the initial impulse of the bolt slamming forward violently as you pull the trigger.
7.62x39mm blowback automatics were tried by the Soviets and they were rejected for very real reasons.
>>30578449
Basically a pistol caliber lmg, 10/10
sup
>All these non fashionablehebrews and ameriboos
>Gotta be spaghetti fashionable
>>30588374
RPB a shit. Ingram better.
>>30587705
>that size mag full of .22
just shoot my shit up famalam
>>30587668
I would not weld the stock on the gun in the upright position. That would prevent you from disassembling it and being able to clean it. All I did was machine a block of steel to fit into the stock slot and then tack welded it. That way no stock can be fitted onto the gun. As for extra barrels. I have looked for threaded ones and otherwise and have yet to find a single barrel for sale. Czechpoint sells them for 90$ if they ever get in stock though.
>>30588507
What makes you think it's .22LR?
>>30588516
It's not .22. Go up the reply chain, I'm ponder what mags will look like in the future when rifle ammo is the size of .22
>>30580372
is there any law against concealed carrying shit like this?
>>30588570
No
>>30588570
Probably depends on your state.
You could CC something like an MPA Mini, though it'd be bulky with the 30rd stick
>>30588390
Heh nice try kid. That weapon can't decide if it wants to be a machine pistol or carbine and just ends up being a weird size.
>pic related done right
>>30588514
Woah someone actually sells them?
Seems like .32 shit is in one day and out another if you can even find it.
What do you use to clean the barrel with? I been thinking a .30 cal bore snake for .308/nato shit could maybe work before getting to patches but those snakes only come in rifle lengths wherever I check.
Boys, please...
>>30588695
That's the advantage, It's both!
>>30588743
Kind of mediocre.
The Zastava M56 is better.
>>30588740
Yeah I use a bore snake made for .308 rifles, the .32 acp (7.65 mm) round is only .03 mm larger than .30 cal (7.62 mm). Getting the snake through isnt a problem, just not as easy as it could be. I also use a plastic bore brush made for 9mm to clean out the chamber area, works well enough for the bore also.
>>30588899
More pictures of this skorpion? I'm a little fascinated by that not sure if I'd trust a receiver welded back together but it sounds a lot more sturdy than cast aluminum, that seems like a really awesome hobby project to work on. Please tell me you documented doing a lot of it this is my kind of gun porn fetish.
A 9mm brush works on the bore? I got a .32 waiting for me and been looking into different cleaning stuff figured I'd mostly settle for trying to get .308 stuff to work.
>>30583359
no one on /k/ owns an MPX. Shits garbage
>>30589039
I really don't have many pictures of the projects I do. I mainly do pictures as a reference for later, I really get too engrossed in working on these projects that I forget to. I envy people like Boris (AK shovel guy), who take the time to document everything.
>inB4 ATF
>>30580783
>Owen drank himself to death because the government taxed him to hell and back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DSVDcw6iW8
F
>>30581209
I bet you're here from /pol/. Probably reading all the HAPPENING threads and wishing you could defend yourself against muzzies or niggers just incase a RACE WAR or CIVIL WAR happens. Hell, you might even be waiting for the day of the rope. And if you are just remember to keep that shit out of my /k/
>>30589252
I know what you mean tried documenting when I was making knives but either I'd either get too caught up in the amount of mundane work, or scrap what I was doing and start the project over in a different way because of something new I learned or came up with.
That's really fucking cool that you were able to weld that back together. I didn't think that would be possible since like a lot of filler material in between the cuts. Does the mag have trouble fitting with a cut having being made down the well? The bolt looks like it travels so far back from the barrel chamber to strip a round from the mag are the carrier rails on the upper?
>>30585755
>Not likely at all? Like not even in the slightest?
I hate when people use question marks after declarative sentences. 14-20something girls do it all the time and it pisses me off to no end.
How about pic related?
>>30589917
Rather good actually.
Steyr were fools to sell the design and rights to it, but it's in the good hands of B&T, they fucking know their subguns.
Case in point, the APC9
>>30588390
"wow this italian-made item is so reliable!"
said nobody ever
>>30590449
To be fair, plenty of things made in Meatballistan were made to appeal to aesthetics first, and to work second. They're the kind of country that considers coffee breaks an important part of the day. It means they have the PASSIONE to make things look absolutely PERFETTO. But making something that works? Not unless you can design it to get up thirty minutes late for work and take cappuccino breaks. See also: their performance vehicles.
>>30588597
Are these as fun as they look? I really want to get one.
>>30581184
not easily maintained, rare, fires shitty ultra small low mass projectile that is only marketed for it's ability to stop terrorists by only having the capability to penetrate the body armor only a cop is retarded enough to carry.
>>30589442
Give him the benefit of the doubt at least. Innocent until proven.
>>30588583
Desantis?
>>30584612
>Is this tubular mag fed? what is it?
>>30593417
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>>30590449
Beretta is great, nigga.
>>30591384
MPAs? Yeah they're kind of fun, they have a whole line of modernized MAC styled guns, they even have ones in 5.7x28mm, using FN Five Seven mags, if you actually want that kind of thing, they make their guns in classic top-cocking style or a modernized side-cocking style, available with and without rails.
I wouldn't call most of their guns practical (though they have a fair few), but damn if they aren't fun blasters.
>>30582637
Bait.
>>30578381
I second that. Moderately powerful closed bolt submachinegun with a hair trigger in a light pistol sized package with a rate reducer mechanism putting it at easily manageable 850 rounds/minute?
I like the VZ 26 and its amazing two stage trigger, but it cannot even compete.
Sign me up for a VZ 61 senpai
>>30580102
Show me a gun of comparable size, weight, manageable firerate, accuracy and lightness of trigger.
Protip- you can't
>>30587705
>>30588507
Implying it actually works and doesn't exist solely to scare potential rioters
>>30587636
that receiver looks a little thin
>>30581219
>gee billy
>>30585859
There is a similar story in America of the Pancor Jackhammer shotgun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VKGhqIl4Gw
Actually America is full of similar stories.
>>30583281
What the mac-11? It's less than 2 kg come the fuck on dude.
>>30580783
This story is one of the reason I went to study Electronics & Telecommunications instead of Weapons Engineering. Firearms will always be threatened by lawmaking tyrants on the civilian side, and corrupted officials guarding the interests of firearm monopolies on the military side.
>>30587668
Dat serial number though
>>30593974
I'm guessing he means MAC-10 not 11, which is over 6lb. It feels goofy for something that looks like a pistol
>>30593927
It's fine.
