http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-shoots-down-russian-helicopter-near-palmyra-syria-a7128901.html
>A Russian military helicopter has been shot down by Isis near Palmyra, Syria, killing both pilots. The men have been named as Ryafagat Khabibulin and Yevgeny Dolgin.
>The Mi-25 aircraft was reportedly conducting a test flight in the area when it received a request for assistance from the Syrian military, who were under attack from group of Isis militants to the east of Palmyra. But after running out of ammunition, the helicopter was shot down, Russian news agency Sputnik reported.
>>30563365
Damn, poor guy literally had "fagat" in his name.
;_; rip in peace rosyans
>>30563365
Yevgeny Borisovitch Dolgin?
It was mi-35
>>30563365
Shot down by what? An anti-aircraft gun ora MANPAD?
Wait, according to others, the plane shot 3 rockets, the third somehow strike the helicopter itself downing it? Sounds nonsensical but maybe people here know if that's possible.
Video
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-36756848
>>30563365
>Mi-25
>Russian
Journawhores, I fucking swear.
>>30563481
google is really hard :(
>>30563465
Jesus christ that is terrifying. Loss of tail-rotor effectiveness by the looks.
>>30563491
Apparently it is for you. Mi-25 is an export version.
>>30563465
It was a pretty obvious tailrotor hit. It's impossible for it's own rocket(s) to do that.
>>30563481
It was a Syrian helicopter that was being taken for a test flight by Russians, but was ordered to divert and provide CAS.
>>30563515
Kamov master race.
I dunno every news source seems to say something different. It was syrian pilots and an MI-25 and shot down, now it's russan pilots and an MI-35 and now rocket or chaff failure or whatever.
>>30563540
>ywn cuddle with a KA-50
Why even live, faŠ¼
>>30563594
ON MY POSITION
>>30563594
ON MY POSITION
>>30563415
Volgin dipshit nice try
>>30563365
>syrian mi-24
I can only imagine that flew great
Reminds me of the Turkish AH-1Z(?) getting shot down a month ago
>>30563660
>>30563594
ON MY POSITION
>>30563465
don't the russian helicopters have ejection seat?
>>30563465
Reminds me of Black hawk Down. Things go tits up so quickly.
What do you think killed the pilots, the sheer force of hitting the ground from that altitude at that speed or the explosion/fire that happened a few seconds later?
Seeing how Russians got their ass whipped during the Chechen wars, they're really no better at fighting than Arabs. All show and no substance.
>>30563594
ON MY POSITION
So much for Russian helicopter ejection seats.
Maybe they couldn't afford to equip them.
>>30563594
ON MY POSITION
>>30563686
every time
>that spin up of the rocket's gyro right before he fires
made my dick diamonds
>>30563732
The Ka-52 is the only helicopter with ejection seats
>>30563465
Damn the pilots did pretty good at trying to put it down after it was hit
>>30563594
ON MY POSITION
>>30563758
Did they. I don't know anything about piloting a helicopter but I don't imagine they have literally any control at that point and whatever happens is out of their hands.
>>30563365
You need a Lynx to avoid that shit.
>>30563690
>>30563732
The Mi-24 dont have it.
>>30563365
>killing both pilots
Phew
>>30563776
All i know is from dcs
Try to keep the nose above your horizontal axis and try to glide it down soft
>>30563690
Would you really want to eject in ISIS controlled territory?
Fuck that, better to die in the crash
>>30563776
In the event of the loss of the tail rotor, you're told to gain as much forward velocity as possible to counter the torque of the main rotor.
However, that's much easier said than done.
>>30563365
>ragamatag kebabylon
>eugene dolphin
>>30563746
Just wait until energy weapons mature and we have capacitor whines on everything.
GET REKT russian swine.
>>30563365
>But after running out of ammunition
damn straight
>>30563714
Hitting the ground, your brain is going to pancake on the inside of your skull while you internal organs rip loose.
>ISIS hasn't shot down a helicopter in forever
>When they do so it just happens to be the one piloted by Russians
Seems suspicious.
>>30563902
Why?
>>30563827
>your allies are less than 50 mi away
I'll take my chances. SERE is taught for a reason.
>>30563690
you think about that for a second
>>30563902
Thats grasping at straws if IĀ“ve ever seen it.
>>30563917
Cause you'd expect statistically a Syrian helicopter shot down in Syria to be shown down with a Syrian crew, not the one time it was flying with Russians.
Also the story being put out by the Russians is clearly a lie. They say it was on the way back after using up all its ammo but you can see in the webm it's in the middle of an attack run when it's shot down.
>>30563935
Set it up to a interrupter gear like how machineguns and cannon fired thru the props of old warplanes.
>>30563959
Is this bait
>>30563963
Ejector seats does sound retarded on a helicopter was was that something someone even considered at some point?
>>30563935
>>30563963
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamov_Ka-50
>For improved pilot survivability the Ka-50 is fitted with a NPP Zvezda (transl. Star) K-37-800 ejection seat, which is a rare feature for a helicopter.[21] Before the rocket in the ejection seat deploys, the rotor blades are blown away by explosive charges in the rotor disc and the canopy is jettisoned.[22]
>>30563963
>not wanting to murder multiple enemies when you eject from helicopter. Sending spinning blades of doom below you
>>30563594
On my position
>>30563902
>ISIS hasn't shot down a helicopter in forever
>>30563827
>Not sprayin the bastards down in your seat with your AKS-74U taken from your sexy thigh holster
>>30563994
>>30563997
This / the concept of ejecting from a helicopter is fine, but comparing it to an interrupter gear sounds funny, like you're trying to squeeze the ejecting pilot through the spinning blades.
>Not attacking the rotors directly to the ejection seat
>>30564016
Is that supposed to be referring to the Turkish helicopter that went down in May? Because the Kurds did that, not ISIS.
>>30563690
I think its only the one with teh double rotors, not hinds.
>>30563935
youre the fucktard here buddy. Russia did develop and field such a thing. The rotors have explosive bolts that blow the rotors off before ejecting the pilots. The US thought about it, but then decided its better to leave the pilots in to more than likely die, than risk another mogadishu. Watch when an F35 gets shot down, they will say the ejection seat failed, or rather, the pilot must of been killed in the initial missle explosion and went down with the plane. This is because they need the pilot dead to detonate the remote explosives aboard to prevent enemy capture of sekrit tech.
>>30563594
ON MY POSITION
how could they shoot down my helifu
i want them all REMOVED from this earth
>>30563690
the Ka 50 series does, nothing else thou
I'm still waiting for ejection seats on comercial airplanes.
apology for poor english
when were you when chopper was kill
i was at tartus base eating pickles butter when pjotr radio
"chopper is kill"
"no"
>>30564038
What's the difference?
>>30564393
I was taking a shit.
"chopper is kill"
"nooooooOOOOOOOO.... ah"
>>30563530
>"test flight"
>clearly firing rockets at sand niggas
http://video.amaq.co.za/v/Rh09072016.mp4
>>30563530
>It's impossible for it's own rocket(s) to do that.
It isn't. There were problems with the apache because debris (i think it was rocket engine covers) of hellfire missiles could get into the tail rotor when fired, possibly damaging it. That went so far that apaches weren't equipped with hellfire missiles on the left pylon anymore until they fixed the problem.
>>30563365
Looks like it's actually a Mi35
>>30564559
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1388745/Armys-new-helicopter-cannot-fire-missiles.html
shitty source, i know, but i can't find anything better right now. Read about it ages ago and don't know where it was.
>>30564553
They were taking it for fully loaded test flight.
>"On July 8, Russian military pilot-instructors Evgeny Dolgin and Ryafagat Khabibulin, were conducting a calibration flight on a Syrian Mi-25 (export version of the Mi-24) helicopter loaded with ammunition in the province of Homs,ā
>>30564559
There's a difference between debris getting flung places and things exploding.
>>30564559
>>30564645
Dude, you see they popped flares right? They just did them a little early, or the US provided Stingers can sense the heat signature of the engines mo betta.
Its top shelf shit, because there is no smokestring following the missle for anti-missle countermeasures shit to pick up.
>>30564650
i'm not so sure if there's anything exploding. There's a lot of energy in the tail rotor, if it fails and gets smashed into the tail that could probably look like what we see in the video
>>30563465
>tail rotor hit
REEEEEE in heaven, based Kebab Removers.
>>30563594
ON MY POSITION
>>30564683
>Clear fireball, tailrotor gets blown off
>Nothing exploding
Did you even watch the video?
>>30564679
>Its top shelf shit, because there is no smokestring following the missle for anti-missle countermeasures shit to pick up.
They use smoke to track?
>>30564679
i don't see them popping flares in the video, but they do that all the time, without evidence that any infrared homing missile was actually launched. Here for example:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8ef_1465528533
Just a precaution.
>>30564734
yes i did. And i say it could just be the tail rotor slamming into the tail after it got fucked by whatever
>>30564808
You're either blind or lying. How the fuck is pic related the tail rotor hitting the tail?
>>30564856
i'm blind, i thought i just saw some sparkly shit.
Well, wonder what it was then
>>30564806
No that anon is a retard, countermeasure systems track the rocket itself. That is why you see some of them spin all over the fuckin place like the stinger does, so that the countermeasures system cannot track it.
>>30564892
>That is why you see some of them spin all over the fuckin place
Thought that was just the result of using two bang bang mode control surfaces on a spinning missile. I really doubt that you can trick decent MAWS by the missile moving strangely
>>30564871
RT and Friends are saying it was a TOW. I doubt it.
My bet is it was a MANPADS fired from behind.
>>30564892
eh- not really true. The stinger has an incredibly simple maneuvering system. Not only does it not have yaw/pitch, it only pitches in one direction- the other two fins have a pemanent "roll" built in. so the missile rolls until the seeker see's that the roll will line it up for the next direction change, pitch, it continues to roll -pitch- until it's close enough to go off. it's not maneuvering to avoid any countermeasures.
>>30564971
wouldnt hitting a helicopter with a TOW (or any SACLOS weapon for that matter) be extremly hard, even for well trained personel? I'd imagine even MCLOS would be better for this than to somehow try to aim the whole launch platform at a relatively fast moving helicopter.
What also makes me wonder is that the helicopter seems to be largely undamaged. The turkish cobra that was hit by an igla recently lost it's entire tail, this one just seems to have a fucked tail rotor.
>>30564567
what's the purpose of shorter rotorblades and non retractable gear?
what did they trade up for?
Why does it where the gear?
>>30565121
If you mean wings, it simply reduces weight, sacrificing hard points.
The reason was that Hind's typically didn't fly with a full loadout and if they did it was kind of overkill.
Retractable landing gear is simply to shed weight .
>>30565121
>shorter rotorblades
What?
>non retractable gear
Has a thing or two to do with weight and internal space, I imagine.
>>30565024
There have been MANPADS that use SACLOS guidance, such as the Javelin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javelin_(surface-to-air_missile)).
There was also a MCLOS MANPADS made, called the Blowpipe. They found it was better used against ground targets than air ones.
These are all tailored specifically towards engaging low flying aircraft. It's certainly possible to hit a flying helicopter with a TOW (I recall hearing stories about how the Iranians killed Iraqi Hinds with TOWs fired from Cobras during the Iran-Iraq War) but it would be hard, and would require ISIS to get ahold of a TOW.
The Turkish Cobra that was shot down was hit by the Igla in the middle of the actual tail iirc, hence why the tail was blown off. This looks like a hit from the rear that struck just below the tailrotor, blowing it off but not the entire tail.
>>30565185
oh shit I thought you meant the rotorblades. they look longer in the left pic. I just woke up
>>30565277
>MCLOS MANPADS
who the fuck thought that was a good idea
>>30565294
You don't know the meaning of "longer rotor blades", m8.
>>30565277
ISIS has had TOWs in the past. Apparently you can buy pretty much anything from anyone on the syrian black market and they overran some of the FSA groups that were supplied with them.
If i'm not confused the helicopter uses no significant part of its tail at all except for the tail rotor itself. All still there. That probably indicates that it wasn't hit by anything with a warhead designed to destroy aircraft. A TOW hit would probably look like this since except for the hole of the shaped charge it doesn't deal to much damage
>>30563365
>The men have been named as Urafaget Kebabgoblin and
fake and gay
>>30565360
I know ISIS have gotten their hands on TOWs in the past, but they wouldn't be very common. If it was a SACLOS missile that was used, it was probably a Konkurs, Fagot, or some other Soviet/Russian made one that would be present in large numbers. Can't really tell from that one video though, there just isn't much to go by.
>>30565311
Bongland: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowpipe_(missile)
>>30563594
ON MY POSITION
>>30563839
Wouldn't you also disengage the main from the engines and begin autorotation, to eliminate the torque? Or do you keep it geared in?
>>30564559
That's not motor debris hitting the tail rotor, that's a HE warhead.
>>30565024
Sure, but the tail itself is relatively unimportant; if you lose the tail rotor, you're going for a spin.
>>30564052
that + the US puts more effort in training its pilots to autorotate
>>30563365
>>30566169
You cannot autorotate properly without tailrotor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUlaGXDeSik
modern combat is terrifyingly fast
>>30567577
but you can still do it effectively
The spin is proportional to the amount of power in the main rotor. In the event of anti-torque rotor failure you're supposed to reduce power and auto rotate anyway.
>>30563723
This looks like a warhammer 40k imperial guard armor
>>30564020
That rapeface of that guy on the left
>>30565024
Hind is made of glorious soviet steel. It doesn't break off like capitalist pig steel.
>>30565185
actually the wings were shortened to correct the fact that they were so large they used to interrupt the flow of air downwards and cause the Hind to be unstable during hover.
ironically, this also meant the wings could generate lift while moving forward fast enough.
>>30563594
ON MY POSITION
>>30567734
For a reason.
>>30567889
>ironically, this also meant the wings could generate lift while moving forward fast enough.
That actually turned out to be a handing thing in the higher elevations of Afghanistan. Hinds could still carry full combat loads by doing rolling takeoffs, despite the thin air.
>>30564688
>based Kebab Removers.
Ironically enough, one of the pilots was a kebab himself.
>>30568108
Ryafagat Khabibulin sounds like Tatar name.
>>30563441
Looks like MANPAD
Probably something captured from Iraqi or Syrian .mil
Rest in peace my Christian brothers, You gave everything for us.
Hero's.
>>30564553
The explosion illuminates a smoke plume. Looks like MANPADS or fratricide.
Russia has taken a decent number of aerial losses in Syria if you include that nusra raid on their air base that destroyed 4-5 helicopters on the ground.
>>30563986
They've been done repeatedly before, they aren't even that hard to make.
>>30564024
Not having large helicopter blow up and spawn two minu helicopters as the seat unfolds a machine gun and rocket pod.
>>30566065
That would actually just spin you given that the rotors take time to wind down and you no longer have any real control of your movement.
>>30563365
Will Russia ever recover from this?
>>30568536
Hi slowpoke, how's pokemon go?
It's long time proven to be fake
>>30568885
proofs?
>>30563594
ON MY POSITION.
Why don't they just install small rocket thrusters that can be fired in emergency to counter rotation?
>>30568536
How many shootdowns?
>>30563958
>russians lieing
WOAH STOP THE PRESSES.
I`m not seeing a missile there or anything remotely like it. You could actually see it in the video when Kurds downed Turksish heli.
>>30568567
If you ungear the rotor, and let it spin freely, doesn't that remove the torque, like with a gyrocopter, which needs no tail rotor?
You'd still be in a deadly serious situation, of course, but wouldn't that be the first step in trying to survive?
Looks like Mi was hit multiple times by AA gun like zu 23 or something and one projectile has come in tail. Those sparklings are hits not shots fired by heli. And press threw the most probable version of incident. Just supposition.
>>30563365
>Ryafagat Khabibulin
russia saviour of white race
>>30569077
Nah. The first "explosions" are clearly just rocket launches. You even see the characteristic launch plumes following the choppa
Then out of the blue something hits the chopper in a shallow angle from above.
>Russian helicopters are being used as Stinger food in a arab shithouse again
>>30569077
Why is he sneaking up on Chinooks? Thats like the most NATO helicopter ever
>>30563594
ON MY POSITION
>>30563594
>exploded kebabs will come to you
no thanks senpai
>>30569061
You are correct, however not every helicopter can disengage the main rotor from the engines, some do have a sprag clutch in the mgb, which will solve the main rotor torque problem if you shut the engines down.
However, given the circumstances, i dont think shutting down the engines was an option considered by the pilots at the time. I dare say both were fighting the controls and not thinking what they needed to do.
So to conclude, shutting down the engines may have helped but if the explosion causes the helicopter to spin already, then you wouldnt be able to get out of it if you shut down the engines
>>30568459
Thats the smoke plume of the previously fired rocked
>>30567910
posting Death Pact with Imperial Guard. heresy
>>30563365
isn't that a video from the 80's? I think I have seen it before, just got a new isis logo.
>>30569140
>Stinger
I wouldn't be suprised if it wasnt an IGLA
>>30569278
I think that's an Ukrainian rebel from Maidan.
>>30563594
on my position
>>30563742
>battle cessna
every time
>>30564091
Never gonna happen, explosive charges next to screaming meddling children. Fatalities guaranteed
>>30565121
The hind was originally designed to fly fast strafing runs on armor. They had wings that provided 25% of the lift
The upgrades given to its engine over it's life removed the need for that. Smaller stubs carry less but induce less drag, the external gear increased the drag again for a net neutral but reduced the weight and freed internal space for fuel
>>30568536
Less than the coalition tbf.
About 3 helis and 1 SU-24.
>>30563594
ON MY POSITION
>inb4 banned for replying to thread derail
>again
>>30568108
Half of Russia is kebab. Removers my ass.
>>30567697
That's all well and good under control scenarios, when you're already at power on an attack you lose the tail rotor and by the time you clutch out the rotor the spin is already terminal.
F
>>30563594
ON MY POSITION
Can someone explain to me why are pro Russian trying to explain this as friendly fire, malfunction or some other non ISIS related event? Getting shoot down by an enemy is less embarrassing than it being your own mistake.
>>30570436
Because Russians have a long ongoing history of killing more of their own people than their enemies, so they don't find it as embarrassing as being killed by their enemies (*especially* enemies armed with US weaponry, which they are trying very hard to portray as inferior).
>>30563894
but autorotation
>>30564403
Are you retarded?
>>30570436
are you talking about the guys who literally shot their own men on the spot when they refused to die in a zerg rush wave on german MG nests?
and you are underestimating the russian macho mindset, getting killed by kebabs is like getting by little girls for them.
>>30569278
>ukie rebels having russian pump action grenade launchers
>>30563594
ON MY POSITION
>>30570243
what did the coalition loose?
>>30567910
What's that thing in the upper left? First time i see this creation
>>30563594
On my position, stalker.
>>30563686
Holy fuck, where do I get pants like that? They look super comfy. Can I go join them for the comfy combat kit without getting put on all sorts of Amerifat watchlists?
>>30570679
>where do I get pants like that
ask your local hipster/hippy
>>30563660
It was either a G or W.
Turks don't fly Zulucobras
>>30570436
Uneducated masses will stick to the official version according to which the helo was shot down by an "American-supplied TOW" unless Russian MoD changes it later.
The others try to find another cause either due to seeing how unrealistic the official version is and trying to get to the bottom of this or not willing to admit that the fabled Mi-35s aren't as invincible as they've been taught.
Think about it, would you rather admit that your state of the art ECMs didn't do the trick or claim that the only thing that can bring down your aircraft is another such aircraft?
>>30563465
>that second helo pilots watching their comrades go down
>>30570696
Is there a name for that style of pants, or do I just ask white kids with dreads to sell me big pants?
>>30570767
did that helicopter even have MAWS equipped?
>>30570776
no idea, and yes, I have seen a bunch of exactly those kids with these.
>>30563594
ON MY POSITION
>>30570807
Sweet, I'll have to track down some of those douchebags at the risk of looking like a douchebag myself.
>no contrail
>no tracers
>blast is too big and flashy to be a cannon shell
... well I have no fucking idea what took down that chopper.
>>30563594
ON MY POSITION
>>30571035
>implying rockets burn until they reach their target and never coast on momentum alone
>>30571054
That'd be a very long shot for a MANPAD though. They're typically fired from much closer ranges than that.
The poor resolution of the video doesn't help much, though.
>>30570436
Its a pretty vile but not the less standardised russian defensive discussion tactic, it was practised a lot in soviet times and is been dragged into the present time, basically it goes like this: Throw so much different information on negative stuff of yours, that in the end no one knows what to think of it anymore. If you look into it this goes almost with everything around russian stuff, everything negative must be questioned endlessly, is declared wrong or a result of brainwashing.
>>30570802
Would it make sense to send a Mi-35 on a mission like this without one?
>>30570627
BMO-T
basically a T-72 based APC for transporting flamethrower squads armed with RPO "flamethrowers"
>>30571063
MANPADs have pathetic ranges and not all of it is done under acceleration.
>>30571191
It was originally on a test flight, not combat sortie.
>>30571336
>MANPADs have pathetic ranges and not all of it is done under acceleration.
That's also true. No chaff release, but that doesn't mean much since almost all MANPADs are IR-guided. If the resolution was better we'd be able to see the missile itself coming in.
>>30571191
that depends if you expect the rebels to have manpads and if you have these systems ready and available. The Syrian Airforce is still using Mig 21s.
>>30571390
It could also be a wire guided ATG rocket, there are so many of them over there that they use them against empty tents.
>>30571462
*AT
>>30563594
ON MY POSITION
>>30570436
>>30570463
>>30570767
>>30571183
What the fuck are you inbreds talking about? No where in Russian media is this referred to as friendly fire.
Even RT posted a video about it, and you can clearly hear the "Allah Akbars" in the video as the chopper goes down.
>>30563868
....do you just wind up a camera with a flash just so you can hear the whine as it charges up? So satisfying.
>>30563958
>Middle of an attack run
Just to play devil's advocate here, I have heard (obviously this isn't a solid fact) that even after running out of ammunition attack aircraftay run additional runs just to keep heads down, grunts on the ground aren't keeping count of how much you've fired.
>>30563465
You can see the moment where he screams "BLYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT"
>>30571765
you can literally see it firing rockets seconds before it is hit
>>30571462
>It could also be a wire guided ATG rocket, there are so many of them over there that they use them against empty tents.
Quite true. In fact the first helo-on-helo kill was made with TOW missiles in the Iran/Iraq war. Still in that situation you'd expect to see the tracking flare - unless it was an ACLOS system or something similar.
>>30571183
>Its a pretty vile but not the less standardised russian defensive discussion tactic,
Quite true. This is indeed their propaganda strategy going back a long way.
>>30571309
>transporting flamethrower squads armed with RPO "flamethrowers"
Err not "flamethrower squads", but assault sappers/engineers and RChBD (NBC) troops.
>>30563594
ON MY POSITION
THE GREAT RUSSO-AMERICAN ALLIANCE WILL RISE AGAIN
>>30563594
On my position
>>30563594
ON MY POSITION
>>30572224
i intentionally avoided the term "combat engineers" as people have something else on their mind when they read it
i find it weird how these things and the Buratino are in service with chemical troops
Are LOS attack choppers even relevant anymore ? Helicopters seem so easy to swat out of the sky with man-portable anti-air weaponry if they show themselves.
>>30571336
>It was originally on a test flight, not combat sortie.
If they equipped it with rocket pods, and yet the ECM and warning systems have been taken off for some reason?
>>30571427
>The Syrian Airforce is still using Mig 21s.
It also doesn't actually use Mi-35's. There's a bunch of Mi-24 modifications but I can't recall any of them having stubby wings and unretractable landing gear, save for the Mi-35.
>>30571730
They got sidechannels, payed shills and useful idiots posting such stuff everywhere.
>>30571730
Here, on r/SCW, twitter. If something happens involving Russians there is always a huge amount of explanations, justification going on. From the start of Russian intervention there has been a constant stream of official, semi official and unofficial false information. From who they are targeting, how, what for, Allah and Jesus and Erdogan smuggling ISIS oil, to those singular event, like solider calling a bombing run on himself, T-90s surviving everything,no Turkish warning and not crossing into Turkish air space. Constant stream of "technical" half truths, most of which were/are easily disproved.
>>30570512
I mean this one.
>>30571007
they're called parachute pants, child
>>30563594
ON MY POSITION
>>30572974
r/SCW is literally cancer with full of commies and libtards.
God, I hate reddit and people who try to be politically correct all the fucking time.
>>30571309
Why do they keep insisting on such retarded paths of exiting the vehicle. Especially for something that is expected to operate under direct fire and thus a fast and comfortable way of leaving the vehicle is critical.
I guess this is a step up from the BTR-70 narrow passageways in the middle of road wheels.
But still.. god damnit. Why...
>>30572974
Things really got bad through ukraine crisis on the internet and /k/, by now you can almost guess everytime a discussion totaly gets out of hand here on /k/ something russian is involved (or /pol/ but that is a different type of retardation).
>>30573253
Wut? This is probaly the best slav version i have seen, while keeping in mind that the ones with the doors on the back are too often used by sitting on top instead, which renders it useless.
>>30573253
Because the manufacturing lines and designs are all Soviet, and because the vehicle itself is prestigious and important, not the soldier-slaves in it; and part of the vehicle's value is the ability to manufacture fuckloads of them cheaply.
>>30573372
Soviet engineers were only happy when there was one thing in their vehicle that would risk the life of or harm the operator in an devastating way.
>>30573421
>one
>>30563594
ON MY POSITION!
>>30573149
>parachute pants
You have your '80s pants mixed up--they're more like Hammer pants, but probably closer to harem pants.
I have way too many browser tabs open about different types of pants right now.
>>30573239
They are 50% pro Kurd and 50% pro Assad. I used to read comments before but with Russian intervention its gone full retard. The prevailing opinion is that Kurds don't need USAF but US needs them and that regime is full military genius mode. For some reason the majority seems to hold the view that if SAA can cut Castello road that the entire rebel Aleppo will surrender.
>>30563594
ON MY POSITION
>>30563594
ON MY POSITION
>>30563986
Kamov's KA-50 has an ejection seat. Explosive charges blow the six rotor blades and then the seat ejects.
>>30570679
That was the PKK in Turkey, but you can actually go fight for their sister organization in Syria, the YPG. They readily accept foreign volunteers to help fight ISIS. You might have a bit of trouble when you arrive home though.
>>30573253
They aren't commonly fielded anyways, most assault sappers and NBC troops stick with BTRs
>>30563594
on my position!
Another outlet saying it was a TOW.
http://www.stripes.com/news/middle-east/report-us-missile-brought-down-russian-helicopter-in-syria-1.418435
Doesn't seem bloody likely to me.
>>30575368
Is that a real quote?
>>30563594
ON MY POSITION
RIP. They did a good job trying to save themselves at least. AFAIK the pilots were recovered and this happened in Syrian territory that ISIS didn't hold + that other MI-35 was there to protect it after it went down.
>>30564971
Quick post and only posting one picture from a IS eastern Homs combat pic release today. They put out a bunch shooting and one tank kill. Pro SAA sources put out a video of the IS body count by the silos.
>they actually have TOWs
>tfw it's a possibility IS used a TOW on the Mi-35
>tfw RT could be right
Well, at least RT didn't pull the whole TOW thing out of their ass.
>>30574571
>You might have a bit of trouble when you arrive home though.
Depending on how much trouble, it might be worth it if those pants are standard-issue.
>>30563594
ON MY POSITION
>>30563594
On my position
>>30563594
ON MY POSITION
>>30563594
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