AK vs. AR
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Which do you prefer and why?
>>30521522
I prefer having both.
Because Freedom.
>>30521522
I prefer AK so that I don't feel the need to spend thousands on accessories that I'll never be happy with.
AK is good enough by itself, and the rounds are better too.
>>30521533
Good for you.
Now someone actually read the OP and stop wasting peoples time with shitposts.
>>30521540
There we go.
>>30521522
both
they both put holes in paper just fine
I didn't see a general questions thread. How much would you guys value a partially converted Saiga? I'm in a ban state if that matters
>>30521522
I have both but I'd say the AK is more fun because the round/action has the most perfect amount of recoil, I love the manual of arms of the AK as it feels much more natural for me, and I enjoy the history of buying surplus for the AK that the AR just doesn't have because older generations bought it all our or it was destroyed.
AR because I fucking hate how the AK feels, and I feel fine with my S&W MP15
>>30521533
>>30521546
>why reply
>>30521522
AK and slav guns in general. A big part of that is just the looks, but it also just feels more natural to me.
ARs are extremely nice rifles, and they have all sorts of things that I "should" love about them, but they just don't get me excited in the least.
Every time I finish shooting one, I just sigh and wish I'd been shooting my 556 ak instead.
AK because aesthetics.
>>30521576
I'm answering his question
I do not prefer either because they both work fine for my needs and conditions
AR15
ak is all "It's a solid platform, indestructible, can't screw it up, bury it in mud for 40 years then dig it up and shoots fine"
then it's all
"Don't buy that brand, or any other available brand, because they all fall apart after 50 rounds, mushrooming problems, finish causing barrels to explode into rust! Don't buy parts kits, don't buy stamped, don't buy milled, don't buy..."
AR15 are the exact opposite
>It's totally unreliable platform
then it's all
>what brand should you get? Pretty much all of them will do just fine for the next 10,000 rounds
>>30521522
AK because it's cheaper, i mean a gun is a gun right? why waste money buying the more expensive one, i am only paying for the brand anyway.
>>30521533
>>30521546
>>30521588
>>30521610
>>30521610
The thread was asking WHICH you prefer. You didn't need to answer if you didn't prefer one over the other. your faggotry need not apply
I'll have you know that i'm hiding any replies to this post before I read them because I don't want to read excuses to why you're retarded and you can stay mad that I got the last word.
kek, I win. :)
>>30521543
>>30521576
>Why reply
>Shitposts
>Etc
Perhaps the internet has ran its course on AR vs AK threads. I'm pretty sure that's been the case since ~1995 or so.
>In addition
Playing this-or-that games when the 'why not both' maymay fully applies is shit-tier retardation of the highest order.
>But just for shits
The AK is a lot of fun to shoot - cheap ammo, very collectible rifles and accessories from a huge range of warsaw pact variants, etc.
Downside - optics aren't as easy and the rainbow trajectory of 7.62x39 takes some practice to master out to 300-400 yards effectively. Can't replace a shot-out barrel without specialized tooling and a hydraulic press.
AR - accessories galore. Build-a-bear simple to make a custom config to your tastes. Low recoil. Flat trajectory. Mind-boggling gear queer options for accessories. Can replace barrels with a vise, torque wrench, and armorer's wrench.
Downside - a 'fun' factor is missing vs the AK. buffer tube CHONG CHONG CHONG noise when firing. Folding stocks + buffer tubes = nogo. 5.56 loses a lot of effectiveness from shorter barrels and requires Gucci ammo to stay kickass. Takes more time to clean. Can hiccup on steel case cheap ammo.
>>30521522
AR-15. Nonexistent recoil and easily suppressed. I can only shoot ~10rds or 30-30 or ~20rds of .308 before I feel injured. With 5.56 I can shoot 600-800 rounds a day and feel nothing. I love it.
I've heard good things about the 5.45 but, there's no benefit for me as I already have an AR-15.
>>30521522
>>30521533
I prefer having all 3.
Because Freedom as well.
>>30521675
>30-30 making you feel injured
>30-30
OH MY GOD LOOK AT THIS FAGGOT
>>30521625
Retard
>>30521675
>can only shoot ~10rds or 30-30 or ~20rds of .308 before I feel injured.
>>30521522
I prefer the AR because I own a few and have minimal experience with AKs. As soon as I sell my old gaming PC I'll be buying an AK, so my opinion is subject to change.
>>30521522
I enjoy shooting my AK 74 in a dumb fun way and my AR 15s in a technical way, if that makes any sense.
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>>30521639
>AK because it's cheaper
Lel
>>30521625
>AR15 are the exact opposite
Noice troll m80.
>>30521522
AK.
Because it's a robust work horse. A solid tool, not a sensitive, over-designed gadget that needs to be kept in tip top condition to function.
In general, I tend to prefer simple and reliable things in life. It's already a few small troubles off your shoulders when you know that an AK will almost certainly fire when you pull the trigger, no matter the situation or age.
>>30521732
AK is for retards and AR is for intelligent people, got it.
Neither! for I choose TAVOR! Iso 9000 standards ak like reliability can be fed any.223 - 5.56 even the shitty 3rd world kind. Takes any mags and with proper aftermarket mods has a match grade trigger pull of around 2.5 -3 lbs, put it on a diet and you can shave off around half a pound. Now resume your pleb argument for I am content with 1.5 -2 Moa
>>30521740
>muh tank
>muh work horse
>muh just werks
You retards are fucking annoying.
At because it's better.
Cheaper.
Easier to customize.
Ammo is cheaper.
Easier to build.
Less recoil
Comparable if nor superior variety of Calibers
Cuter Chinese cartoon personification.
Better rails.
More reliable.
>>30521735
>I'm a complete fucking retard
no surprise.
Are you trying to say that the AR platform is considered "extremely reliable" compared to the AK?
Or are you trying to say that there are so many shady AR brands out there, if you get a $450 AR15, it's probably going to explode in your hands?
Please respond.
Shit for Brains.
>>30521740
but the AR isn't sensitive, over-designed, or needs to be in tip top condition to function. retard detected and confirmed.
>>30521758
muh AK will beat (You)r plastic NATO toy any day, mate.
>>30521758
This. I really don't know anyone that has had much more than the occasional shitty ammo related failure in either "platform". Maybe some of my milfag friends that actually deployed have some stories, but none that I've heard.
>>30521765
Work on your b8, m8.
>>30521758
Buttblasted ARfag detected
>>30521747
But I have and enjoy shooting both, so does it balance out?
>>30521771
>>30521783
>>30521740
>robust work horse
>ITS JUST A SOLID TANK
fuck you retard.
>>30521757
somebody picked secret option C...
>>30521770
>but the AR isn't sensitive,
the fact that you need to use a very specific type of powder in the cartridges in order for the gun's mechanisms not foul and jam, is already a huge flaw. When I was still a newfag, who'd still handled an AK before, I also was shocked to hear that you need to fucking lube most non-AK rifles to keep them running.
>>30521796
U mad noguns?
My pws
Take that all you 4chin niggers
>>30521806
>nogunz
>owns one of the shittiest AKs anyone could ever have purchased
lol ok
>>30521781
>He called me out on my retardedness
>better call it bait!!!
Fuck you, you stupid idiot. Answer the fucking question, or admit that you're a retarded fucking asshole and the dumbest motherfucking trip on /k/ today.
>>30521522
>ITT: A bunch of assmad autists get pissy over finite details.
>>30521820
but the AR is just a better gun.
>>30521625
>has never set foot in /arg/
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>>30521816
>tries this hard with his b8
Nig, reel it in. Fucking newfags, I swear.
It's funny because no AK faggot could give one ACTUAL area where the AK beats the AR. Not one, yet they'll shill their shitty gun all day in this thread.
>>30521837
Answer the fucking question then, you piece of shit. If you can't answer the question, you are admitting that it's not bait and that you're a gigantic fucking retard.
Don't be afraid to admit it, you piece of shit. Everyone already knows and hates you.
>>30521522
Reciprocating bolt lever for easy forward assist and clearing, more sturdy feel, less expensive for even top brands, parts are just as easy to order online and have before something goes wrong, and cheap ammo make the AK (specifically a 7.62x39) my favorite.
For a thread asking about preferences this went to shit fast.
>>30521814
>still hasn't posted his tin can and plastic piece of dogshit
You have to be 18 to post here
>>30521829
go ahead into /arg/ and ask a question like this:
>I'm buying my first AR15 (or building it), which brands should I absolutely avoid?
and watch them all mumble and stick their thumbs up their butts. At most, some of them will squawk out their favorite brands, but none of them will tell you to "if you buy the M&P15, you can pretty much say goodbye to your hands and $500" like they will if you ask about the RAS47
>>30521864
Actually, he's one of the less annoying tripfags.
Also, the reality is that AK vs AR threads tend to bring out morons that oversimplify the fuck out of the strengths/weaknesses of each because it's better to be hilariously loud about one's ignorance than STFU and actually learn something.
>>30521837
I'm not sure how I feel about armed foamers.
>>30521869
Welcome to every AR vs AK thread ever. It always does this. Hell it did this on the rec.guns group back in the usenet days. (Yes, I am oldfag AF)
Hence - correct answer is always 'both'
>>30521910
>less annoying tripfags
I've never seen him post anything useful or informative or interesting. I've only seen misinformation, shitposts, etc.
Unless you think the pure, distilled shit of
>YOU ARE BAITING!!!! YOU ARE BAITING!!!
>How is this baiting? What part is inaccurate?
>BAAAAIIIIIITTTTTIIIIINNNNNGGGGG!!!!
is some sort of acceptable behavior for a Parthenian chipmunk augering forum.
>>30521890
>yfw they laugh at you for getting anything billet
>or anything Eotech
>or a NIB bolt carrier
>or anything Delton
>or anything DPMS
>or if you have an A2 grip
>or any optic that doesn't cost at least $400
>or if you don't have an optic at all
>or if you don't have a freefloated barrel
>>30521642
>winning anything on 4chan, ever
Oh anon...
>>30521910
lmao hi milsurpdude
>>30521942
>>or if you don't have a freefloated barrel
man i thought i was the only guy who understood free floating just - will - not make M855 group any better
especially with a shitty milspec trigger, a red dot, up close
> (and get this) if an untalented person is the end user
>>30521675
ak shoots 762x39 tho
also you are a pussy and probably carl kuntsman in disguise
>>30521942
they laugh at those things because they are cheap or they might increase your groups by 0.5 MOA, not because they'll explode in your hands or catch fire. Their concerns are summed up as closer to "Does my gun get to sit at the cool table?" and not "Is my gun going to work next time I take it to the range?"
The Eotechs, now that's different, but that's an optic, not a gun platform.
>>30521522
whynoyboth.wetback
>>30521973
oh shut the fuck up, there's like one real caveat to buying an AK and that's to avoid buying the RAS and anything IO, stop acting like there aren't a fuckload of little inane hurdles in buying an AR too you overdramatic cumguzzler
AR, but i do admit its mostly because I have minimal AK experience.
>>30521966
lol m855 sucks dick no matter what you do
>>30521522
Both
>>30521576
>I fucking hate how the AK feels
Die in a fire pls.
And I love my AR too
>>30521675
>>30521675
>I can only shoot ~10rds or 30-30 or ~20rds of .308 before I feel injured
>>30521864
>you piece of shit
>you piece of shit
>you're a gigantic fucking retard
>Everyone already knows and hates you
>>30521940
>One of the less annoying tripfags
Apparently I see that as a much lower bar than you do.
I can somewhat sympathize with antics like his, though. You can only take the time to attempt to inform a willfully ignorant person on the internet and get exactly ZERO success so many times before you simply resort to trolling.
I'm a smod on a rather large car forum that's been active since 1999 and yes, there are days when 'use search you lazy fuck' simply can't convey one's internalized anger at the laziness and ignorance some people have. The spoon-feeding demand is high these days.
So it's easier to simply countertroll and claim bait, BTFO, use search, or give 100% wrong information. Existence is suffering.
>>30521639
Senpai aks are more expensive
AR because I'm happy with the one I have now and how it's set up.
Once I get my ak and set it up the way I want I'll probably like it a bit more.
>>30521851
cheaper ammo
can feed shitty ammo
aesthetics
slavic history (if you're into that)
>>30521666
>folding stock no go
Folding stocks are fine on ARs
Shot both
Both are good
I rather have an AK feels better in my big hands
>>30522108
You sound like a douche. Shut up and talk about guns, even better post yours.
>>30522108
See
>>30522075
He's just a flagrant shitposter that spends his life making /k/ as terrible as possible. Stalker/Sigfag was worse, but this assfucker is the current reigning champion of "If he were to be poisoned by his social worker tonight, /k/ would be better for it tomorrow"
I prefer the weight of an AK, and the look of the wood and metal. Just feels more natural to me.
Also, I have spatial dysgraphia so it's hard for me to find the center of AR carry handle sights. AK sights have sharp lines to reference which is easier for me to figure out.
>>30521973
>>30521987
why are you ignoring this?
>>30522171
Actually, you guys bitching about tripfags is 100x worse.
>>30522210
Should I go ahead and buy the Century Arms C39? How about an early model VZ2008 or a WASR10?
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>>30522237
>Century Arms C39
yes? it's hardly ideal but it's not a bad rifle.
>early model VZ2008
no real difference from any other VZ2008, so sure
>or a WASR10?
why wouldn't you?
>>30522075
>>30521864
Both the AR and the AK are good weapon platforms. AK is a little more rugged and has the S L A V aesthetic, so it wins my love. Of course there is a considerable difference in the cartridges used and the AR is going to be a little more accurate at longer ranges, as 7.62x39 gets a little shaky once it gets around 400 yards. Unfortunately, entry-level/good AKs are more expensive than pretty good ARs due to import bans. If you're looking to become familiar with a modern weapon platform, just get an AR. No matter what, if you invest $500 into an AK or an AR it's going to be pretty shit. I just want a long, sexy VEPR.
>feeding the trip fag attention on a Ethiopian grass whistling board
>calling him the retard when both of you are retards
>>30521735
That is some sexy wood furniture you have there.
Tell us more about it, is it aftermarket/do it yourself, or did it come with your rifle?
>>30522237
A 2015+ WASR10 is a very good AK that'll hold value thanks to having been an imported rifle.
The C39V2 is okay but overpriced IMO. The original C39 is trash.
Early VZ2008's were a huge deal for the price. I missed out on the $399 w/5 mags deal that was only two years back but feels like an eternity.
Generally speaking, the greater the import/demil parts content on an AK, the higher value it'll hold in the long term. The WASR is desirable in this respect because it has a CHF barrel & other parts from ex-commie tooling.
>>30522309
Those aren't his.
>>30521765
If anyone is retarded, it's you for buying into the memes people spout on /k/ for gun advice. It's true that some companies will be inherently bad, but if you learn to work on any AK or AR as any most basic gunsmith would your gun would outlast 99% of anything anyone else has.
>>30522343
Prrrretty sure that's his A1 AR so.....
>>30521771
Man, I wish we could still get Finn rifles. Does Finland still make Valmets/Finn AKs or did they stop in '96?
>>30521522
AK
an AR jams at least once per mag and .223 will not meet the minimum penetration standards of the FBI in ballistics gel
>>30521735
Tell me about that AR, I want it. I'm making a late 70's/early 80's "Soldier of Fortune" kit and I really, really want an A1/A2 style AR, because my first choice of the FAL isn't economical for me in the long run.
So lay it on me big man, /arg/ was absolutely zero help.
>>30522171
No mate the reigning champ is Phil and has been for quite some time. You know that.
I would have kept my AK if red dot optics didnt look so trash on them.
>>30521522
The ar wins me over in every department except for one. That sweet, sweet feeling and noise that comes out of racking the charging handle of an AK. Nothing beats that.
>>30522450
>If anyone is retarded, it's you for buying into the memes
My whole point was that the major, long-lasting memes were false.
>>30522596
>needing red dot on glorious Kalashnikov
should it be easy enough to install the DD 12 inch lite rail on a BCM 20 inch barrel upper, leaving the original FSB?
>obviously removing the handguard cap
>>30522596
>>30522621
kys
>>30522660
Let me rephrase, they look trash with all wood furniture
>>30522660
>not using rail mounted optics
>>30521757
>Hey Yitzach, guess what I did? I sold the stupid goy some legs for his Tavor!
>Legs? What on earth for, Ishmael?
>I put a star of david on them and told him that Israel wants him to be able to shoot more steadily, so I charged him a hundred dollars!
>Oh, so it's a bipod?
>Yes, but the legs protrude from the pistol grip!
>The grip? Who on earth would buy such a stupid thing?
>The goyim, of course!
>Hahaha
>Hahaha
Wait gas piston is a meme on ars right?
>>30522696
no side rail senpai, and I actually like it in a scout position and being able to cowitness with muh irons tbqh.
>>30522660
I don't understand why you quoted me, please explain
>>30522621
>>30521642
But you killed a poor innocent bread with this shit thread, you egotistical cum dumpster
>>30522562
>>30521698
What model AR is that?
>>30522721
Some real KEK right here anon
>>30521675
i'm going to back this dude up
assuming suppressed -- to mitigate concerns about blast, flash, report distracting him
(even tho it reduces recoil to a degree)
>flinching is a thing
/k/ suggests RIMFIRE 22 to new shooters so they group well before moving on to bigger shit, and using 9mm instead of "#BigBoy" calibers to sink more hits in potential Defensive Gun Use
i dont like firing my nugget from the bench, but think it is powder puff recoil standing, so i get where dudebro is coming from ... tho AR10 type doesnt shoot nearly as hard, especially with my 762sdn6
here endeth the lesson
>>30521522
Having both like any good gun owner should, I prefer my AK most of all.
Feels easier to manipulate, even as a right handed guy, is actually lighter than my AR (which is a 20" with no accessories), isn't as picky about ammo, doesn't need to be saturated in lubricant, or oiled and cleaned religiously, and I like the small kick of recoil next to the AR's virtually no kick at all.
Also, assembling the AR was a pain in the ass. Fuck all of those little pins and piss-ant springs that try to fly across the room.
>>30522764
You're a cool dude, I don't care what the other anons say about you. Thanks a lot though, seriously.
>>30522857
dude, I mean this kindly, but what the fuck are you talking about?
I don't have a beef on AK, but for full disclosure I prefer AR, probably mostly from being used to it
in fairness, I grant that your AK is prolly lighter and will highlight it is easier to maneuver since you have a 20 inch AR (which I also prefer).
however: I dunno which AR you have that is finnicky about ammo. I shoot an 11.5 BCM -- so, shorties are supposed to be raceguns that run poorly, but I use shiity "maybe low pressure" steel cased Tula outta PMAGs
>only cycling issues I have EVER had were becuase of shitty old GI magazines
saturated in lubricant and religious cleaning are retarded arguments that, based on you being capable of typing full thoughts, I ...think... you are better than
I also grant that AK is much less boring to fire, having at least /some/ muzzle movement
assembly being relative, I never liked AK's big fucking spring, but I also half ass the shit outta cleaning my AR (google BCM's filthy 14) which fucking springs TRY TO FLY ACROSS THE ROOM??
>>30522744
Just mount a rial and get magnified optics then you can just look lower for irons as well. It's much more sturdy and will hold zero better then your current setup
>>30521540
This
>>30522918
Maybe I just have a shitty BCG and charging handle but if that thing isn't lubed up it smells like something is burning after charging it a single time.
As for the spring, those tiny little shitheads for the detent pins, particularly the ones meant to hold in the pivot pins that keep the upper receiver and lower receiver together.
I made the mistake of letting that thing slip while I held it down. Spent the next hour trying to find it in a room with carpet flooring.
>>30523000
trips checked
...are you ... REMOVING the pivot pins?
yeah i mean, if you want that smell gone, you dont need it to float in lube, but i guess its more an art than a science, one i figured out in the army (inb4 thank me/you for my/your service) but it is frustrating as hell
also the sound of the buffer and buffer spring can drive some guys nuts and make them buy the super expensive JP captive unit
im not really an AR fanboi, it defo has its problems, but i am very used to it, and the AK fails to light my fire even moreso
>>30522322
>A 2015+ WASR10 is a very good AK that'll hold value thanks to having been an imported rifle.
>2015+
Nigger WASRs have been good since 2008-ish
>>30523042
Not at all, those spring were only a problem when assembling the AR, that was the pain in the ass.
My AR is like my prissy capitalist prom queen. My AK is my commie whore that just gets its job done.
I love AKs, but AR15 is the objectively better gun.
>>30521522
AR because of BHO, the controls, Stoner gas is pretty clever, easier to throw optics on, and carry handle aesthetics if you don't want to fuck with red dots.
AKs are fine too though. They put rounds downrange. Bro has one so best of both worlds. It and the AR both are kind of boring to shoot, but that is kind of the point of such guns isn't it?
>>30522857
>is actually lighter than my AR (which is a 20" with no accessories)
How the fuck did you manage this?
>assembling the AR was a pain in the ass
As opposed to the ezmode build that is an AK am I right?
>>30523297
I suspect the barrel may be an Hbar, but the AK is only a 16" green mountain barrel on a stamped receiver.
Building an AK is time consuming but not exactly difficult if you have the tools. Rivet crushing is the worst part.
ARs are not difficult to assemble either, just tedious. All of the little pins and springs are a pain.
Needless to say the AR is inherently easier because it is normally -assembled- as opposed to built like an AK. That's if you buy a pre-machined upper and lower anyway.
>>30521522
AK and simply because it is dirt cheap to shoot.
>this entire thread
>>30521522
Ar15, because that's the platform I'm used to and prefer. Find it reliable, I know what to do if it ever jams, I'm drilled with it, so it goes automatically. Prefer the varieties of set ups you can have with it and the several uses it can have.
>>30521522
AK. It was my first rifle and it just hit home with me. I love my AR too, but whenever I'm behind my AK I feel more at home.
>>30521522
An AK for shitty conditions and an AR otherwise.
>>30521522
I own an AR-15, an AK-74 (Tantal to be more specific), and a Century All-Murican build milled AK47. I prefer the 74.
More experience with it, more accessories for it that are cheaper. I'd probably have wound up preferring the AR if I have been around them longer, but shit happens and 5.45 is based.
>>30523643
Ay don't dewdat breh
>>30521522
I prefer ak because it's impervious to all physical damage, whereas an ar will break if you drop it
>>30521799
>Not lubing all your guns period
>>30523651
Even with that wire stock or did you replace it?
>>30522135
And accuracy. They are pretty much the same now depending on your experience and what sights you use.
>>30521522
both
AR because I prefer the ergonomics, weight, and modability. I like AKs also, but I feel they're overpriced these days. Maybe it's only because I remember 8 years ago when WASRs were 300 bucks.
>>30523682
Even with the wire stock, I can rek things at a hundred+ yards no problem. I used to have a Maadi crutch stock on it and switched it out for a fixed RPK-style stock last week.
>>30523127
Referring to the most recent production batch that is virtually devoid of the canted FSB/RSB's and other issues often found on earlier WASR-10's.
Ususally avoided if you find a WASR 10/63 since those were built from demil'd Romy G AK's and other Romy AK's.
Nigger.
>>30522776
Spike's 14.5" upper w a Troy midlength rail over an FN barrel, TNArms polymer lower w NERV logo engraved
Sig.
Wgo is that faggot
>>30523224
>My AR is like my prissy capitalist prom queen
you are like guys who baby cast iron pans in that case -- as in, there is absolutely no reason to do so, and i have absolutely no fucking clue why they do it
>>30523426
>suspect
? jesus mate its not hard to figure out barrel profile
