>Be me in the People's Republic of Puerto Rico
>See California Gun Legislation fall to shit tier just as in Puerto Rico
>Get pissed
>See you guys bitching and whining
>See National Guard and Reserve Anons not doing shit
>Hear the lack of confirmation for support
>Hear the lack of other states intervening
>witness California fall to a socialist oligarchy as my country has become
So what happened to you fellows. You've done nonviolent resistance. You've done all you can to communicate to representstives that won't listen. Why aren't you taking up arms. Why aren't you convincing your superiors to go against California. Or the Marshalls against this unconstitutional legislation. Why haven't you made a stand? I've been on the frontlines of domestic bombings when the Independistas decided to form insurgencies. I was there at Castillo San Felipe de Morro occupying it and protesting against Obama's visit. I was there witnessing the corruption of our officers and seeing my people being lazy to stand up just like you for all the welfare and comfort they recieve.
Why haven't you upheld your promises to the Constitution? Why have you decided to stand down with tails between your legs? Why do you flee like cowards when you could establish political connections? Why, a non mainlander citizen that gained birth citizenship theough a trade and self governance act, has more balls to oppose an establishment than you? You've done nothing. You Califags just bitch and whine and plant to move, not accepting the responsibilities of nonviolent resistance and violent resistance that comes with consequences. Shit, even the left has more balls than you can ever dream of with Weatherman Underground and the BLM protests and riots.
>1/2
>>30476637
>2/2
Your ancestors who immigrated here for better opportunity, rights and dreams of living the American Dream has long been gone as you stand idly by watching those self evident rights be decline with a signature of a pen. You've allowed the commies to hain influence and set an example to others. You've allowed the commies to gain a boost of morale. Youve allowed the commies to gain a permanent foothold in not one but four states. You all yell SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED, yet at the first sign of resistance, you back away like cowardly dogs. You have brought disappointment and shame to not just yourself and your country but to your ancestors graves. Hope you enjoy the confiscations that will follow and arrest warrants, you damned masochists
>Puerto Rico
you have hope!
http://www.guns.com/2015/06/22/judges-ruling-threatens-upheaval-of-puerto-rico-gun-laws/
http://concealednation.org/2015/06/breaking-court-victory-gives-puerto-rico-permitless-concealed-carry-and-open-carry/
>>30476835
>2015
That's old news, government repealed it and we're still stuck with the Firearms Act of 2000. I don't k ow if they've reached conclusion with the supreme commonwealh court as no news has been heard from since
>>30476637
Wjat you are implying is known as civil war. With todays population and infrastructure that depends on highways for shipping of food and water, a civil war would see a minimum of 50 million casualities of uninvolved civilians on the east coast alone. Thats 50mil people AT THE LEAST who are NOT on one side or the other dying from disease and starvation.
Thats why I havent picked up arms and decided to fight. Instead I keep voting and gathering intell for if the 50mil dead on my hands becomes a reasonable price....and I hope that never happens.
>>30476938
Yes I am. Local Civil War, like in Athens, Tennessee. I'm not talking about a massive scale operation, more or less doing an Operation Urgent Fury with Sacramento. You see, civillian casualties can be casualties avoided with establishing an evacuation zone, dropping notices and leaflets. Problem is, who are going to get involved. The Federal Government is limited by the Inssurection Act and the Posse Comitatus Act. There's a process which identifies if he can take action or not. If done professionally with back up from other states and local LEO forces willing to join. Question is, are they willing? Will they upheld their promise if the Supreme Court refuse to accept it and Ninth Circuit Court decide to ignore their previous rulings, supreme court rulings and the constitution? Or will you remain your mouth shut as these communists spread their influence
>>30476938
That should fucking taken cunt
>>30476637
Because we are all pussies. we wont do fucking shit until someone else does something first.
>>30476938
50 million East coast faggots dead would solve alot of problems in this country
>>30476938
>uninvolved
they voted for the motherfuckers.
well anon at least here in P.R. we dont have to pay tax stamps for SBRs.
Suppresors and FA are illegal thou
>>30477103
>well anon at least here in P.R. we dont have to pay tax stamps for SBRs.
Wait what? I thought we still have to follow Fed laws. I still don't like it that we're as bad as commiefornia. I wanna have it back in the good ol' days in federal minimum, when my granddad got all the firearms he needed.
>>30477186
if you call "El cuartel general" (787) 793-1234 and ask them they will tell you about it. There no such thing as tax stamp here. Once you buy the gun you can modify it in any way except making it FA or adding a suppressor. No mag cap restrictions, bullet button bullshit over here
btw: Dont even bother to call on weekends
>>30477238
What about wih all the licensing and registration bullshit as well as ammo crap for the other firearms?
>>30477011
why not just have targeted hits against individual politicans?
>>30477282
That'll make us look like terrorists and give the antigun crowd more fuel. If it was done by the National Guards and local LEO, they would have trouble since they're going against tomeone with higher authority. Not to mention it'll boost morale for other free Americans, and can take care of the commies in Sacramento with one swoop. Basically besieging it or doing a coup
>>30477267
shooting license cost $250 to $300 : no ammo or firearms limit. You can only buy the calibers of the guns you already have registered under your name. If you only own a 9mm firearms then you cant buy 40 or any other caliber.
to carry it cost $750, go to court, tell a judge that you fear for your life because of the high amount of crime that is happening right now. Well and that enough to justify it. You got it.
Every firearms you buy is registered at the Police electronic record. with all your info and pictures. But dont worry they tried to find me once to ask me if I used drugs or was a violent person (2 years after they gave me the license) and gave up because they couldn't. All this while having my phone #, address, picture and all that shit.
puerto rico has gun laws? isnt it kinda hard to sign gun law bills with spray paint?
>>30476637
Because everyone from Cali is an entitled asshole and they need to fall into the ocean
>>30476938
What this anon says is true, but that is only just the start. If California were to be the starting area of a US civil war. Russia and Nato would immediately get involved, with Russia backing the rebels and Nato backing the Govt. this would inevitably lead to RUssia trying something stupid in East Europe while Nato troops come into the US, and spark WWIII. If any of these countries decide to use nukes, the world will end and billions will die.
But you are kinda late my friend. P.R. have just opened the gates of hell. By now you should have enough ammo and friends to wipe out
>>30477306
Protip: in this situation you will be depicted as and trrated like terrorists regardless
Also you will actually be terrorists
>>30477326
What about sef defense laws? Can I protect my home or myself when invaded or robbed?
>>30477451
>P.R. have just opened the gates of hell.
Explain. Is it the colonial crap or something?
>>30477465
Protip: When having the brass and several states rebelling against another, the media will have trouble justifying them as terrorists. Let alone, the actions of preventing non combatants to get killed.
>>30477396
>NATO getting involved
With logistics and supplies, yes, however, that would mean the Federal government violated both the Inssurection Act and the Posse Comitatus Act if they were to use US main forces against the rebels
>>30477579
is your life is in danger? if the answer is yes then you can shoot. You cant aim at people just because they flip you off on the highway or something.
>>30477587
yesterday the obamas sight the law to take fiscal control over the island. So they cant keep borrowing more and more money. Apparently the island have to pay the dept first, then pay all the government agencies and employed.
At the time threes no rescue helicopters or air ambulance. 3 or 4 day ago someone shoot at 6 policeman while they where patrolling on motorcycles.
>>30477697
>is your life is in danger? if the answer is yes then you can shoot. You cant aim at people just because they flip you off on the highway or something
Well I know that, but will it not get me prosecuted for defending myself like Stand your Ground and Castle Doctrine? Do I have to get a great lawyer and a shit ton of evidence?
>>30477697
What does fiscal control have to do with the officers and air ambulance/rescue copters along with the shooting of six officers?
>>30477326
>Carry and shooting licenses
Are they permanent or do I have to renew it after an x amount of years. Do I have to join a club or something? Also I thought there was an ammunition limit as according with the NRA-ILA, USA Carry and such.
>>30477774
threes no castle doctrine or stand your ground.
One refrigeration technician was servicing a small local store and when he got off the roof to take some tools 2 masked and armed guys tried to take him into the car. Both are dead and no trial, charges where presented to him.
On other occasion 3 guys broke in a preacher house and put him and his wife on the floor. They told him they are going to take his wife and if he lied on the ATM card number to empty his account they raped and killed her. When they turned back he pulled his G19 and plugged 2 of them and 1 was injured. no trial, charges where presented to either.
Your life is in grave danger no matter where you are.
>>30477789
simple, government wont pay cops or any other government employ. Would you risk your life for free?
>>30477803
renew every 6 years, must be member of a club which could be $50 a year or $500 for lifetime and there's no such thing as ammo limit
>>30477067
This desu
>>30477964
I forgot to renew you have to pay $100, not the entire process again.
>>30477964
>>30478003
>Both cases with no trials or charges presented
Holy hot damn! So I can get life membership with 500 dollars, get all the ammunition and firearms, no SBR laws, and in the presence of my life in danger against criminals through their threats and brandishing of a weapon, I can defend myself scot free? This also covers knives and potential weapons (i.e. Machetes, hammers, tools, etc) as well as kidnapping? What about if the criminal is also a threat to not just me but people around me as well? Jesus sounds good so far except for the licensing and registration crap, but it's not bad at all. What about Kalashnikovs and their variants? I've heard they were restricted by name
>>30478044
Also, am I required by law to have a safe? And do the police have to search my home like in Europe without a warrant?
>>30478044
if a criminal brandish and its not to kill, rob or something against me I wont even bother. Yeah tools like a machete are considered weapons but really nobody cares and you can buy one at the store.
If by threat you mean a criminal shooting or trying to commit a crime against another person and you see it yes you can defend the person. For me unless is pretty obvious the criminal is going to kill the person I wont bother, money or property is just material. I wont risk my life for a wallet or a tv.
Well you cant buy a Kalashnikov but... you can buy a wasr, arsenal, DDI, zastava, etc
>>30478052
safe is only required if you have 15 or more firearms. They cannot enter to your house without and order, unless you let them in
>>30477674
>>30477396
>>30476938
Nato lacks even the logistical strength to do much of anything at all.
Canada wouldn't dare help either. Too much bloodshed for no reason and when boys start coming home in bodybags? The politicians are screwed. So even if they wanted to help control things in the US, their own media prevents them from taking action.
Same can be said about every NATO country.
Russia would probably try something though.
Not an invasion because ultimately, there are still hundreds of nuclear silos that are able to function autonomously in the event of confirmed nuclear war and god knows what kind of shit the military has strapped onto the ICBM's to make them undetectable, and unable to be detonated mid air. But I'd definitely imagine seeing various eastern bloc arms dealers suddenly getting contacts from various benefactors who wish to unload cargo and see the US's current situation as primo opportunity. And from there, deals would be subcontracted through Mexico in the importation and transport of arms and munitions that are not easily manufactured or acquired in the US.
RPGs, missiles, anti material rifles and munitions, high explosives or components for high explosives delivered in bulk because while easy to make, RDX is a bitch to mix in bulk.
By large, the majority of those who would even consider taking up arms, are more than well equipped to pull off guerilla warfare, but there's many key pieces that are missing, that ultimately would drag out the conflict far beyond what is best for everybody.
>>30478095
>Well you cant buy a Kalashnikov but... you can buy a wasr, arsenal, DDI, zastava, etc
Yeah, that's what I meant by Kalashnikov. Thanks my fellow Neighbor, this was very informal and helpful
>>30478144
Yeah, I can see arms trading occuring through. And if we have the local defecting National Guard Units and LEO Organizations backing the rebels up? My greatest concern would be the leftists actually arming themselves to fight us as well. I have doubts (Except for Antifa) but would that also be a possibility?
>>30478114
Are there any other restrictions like waiting periods for firearms and ammunition sales?
>>30478314
Leftists?
Maybe.
It will definitely happen, libruls getting terrified that someone is going to kick down the gates to their white collar community, so they take up arms themselves to "put down the savages" but the degree to which is questionable.
PMCs would definitely start up again. Blackwater and company working for Wall Street companies and neighborhoods, basically enforcing martial law decreed by the highest bidder, all to combat the rise in Warlords you'd see start popping up in the states. And they employ ex mil, ex police and regular people who want to make money or don't want violence, which unfortunately is entirely reasonable.
/k/ often fails to realize how bloody a revolution will be, and many, many people will not want it, but will be just as opposed to the government taking action.
That's what the revolution will mostly be fighting against, not military types, but cop types and regular joes who are mad that "a bunch of idiots are going around, poking the bear."
It however, has been predicted that a large number of National Guard and Military forces would actually enact a coup if something like this were to happen, so the revolution might actually end up fighting against Stalin 2.0 the red white and blue. I think it was Strelnikov who talked about actual simulations done, but I can't find the screencap I had of it where he talked about how much a single warlord could fuck up the country if they took over the Mississippi.
>>30478557
Also do I have to deal with putting firearms and ammjnitions eperately or something in my vehicle?
>>30478557
no
>>30478901
unless you have the CCW permit you cant transport them loaded. I used to transport them all in the same bag but in different pockets
>>30476637
You already know the reason, OP.
America has lost its balls.
>tfw will never be able to unite right and left wings in revolution
>tfw will have to choose between supporting globalist capitalist scum and fascist uprising
>>30480027
Whoever wins, we lose.
>>30479789
Also with CC, can I carry it in the vehicle loaded and in reach? Can it be an SBR or any weapon that can be concealed easily?
>>30476637
Donald Trump will deport half of Commifornia's population anyway, then the likes of Dianne Feinsatan won't be able to cheat their way to political power in Commifornia.
>>30480027
>supporting globalist capitalist scum and fascist uprising
>Globalist capitalist
>Implying they aren't globalist socialist oligarchs
Only thing I agree with you damn commies is arming the proletriat, everything else is hooey as I've seen on my island.
>>30480094
they aren't socialist, they're differing power and wealth to multinational corporations
with that said, if revolution comes i'd rather see a clean slate for the US to work off of than what we have now
>>30480116
>They aren't socialist
>Ignoring the part were I said socialist oligarchs
>Literally what is the EU and Europe
>>30480116
Oh great. This asshole again.
>>30479789
with the CC you can carry a loaded concealed handgun or revolver wherever you want. Except for the fed buildings things like that.
To be able to fit in the handgun or revolver type of gun, the firearms cant have a stock. So you cant conceal an SBR because its registered as a rifle. But if you buy an AK pistol or AR without the stock sure you can.
>>30480143
Hey bud how you doin'?
>>30480137
The EU is an organization mostly built to facilitate free trade, something that is mostly to the benefit of massive corporations.
The welfare state aspects of the EU and California are just attempts to appease the populace as the lower classes get drained of all wealth, they are not the main goal.
>>30480148
Does adding a brace classifies it as a rifle? Ehat about a sling?
>>30480173
>The EU is an organization mostly built to facilitate free trade, something that is mostly to the benefit of massive corporations.
>Implying they weren't making one united government socialist oligarch Europe
>Implying they're just a trade organization
>>30480205
The difference between oligarchs and corporate executives running things aren't that massive. We're arguing over terminology rather than what the problem is itself.
>>30477011
>If done professionally with back up from other states and local LEO forces willing to join. Question is, are they willing? Will they upheld their promise if the Supreme Court refuse to accept it and Ninth Circuit Court decide to ignore their previous rulings, supreme court rulings and the constitution? Or will you remain your mouth shut as these communists spread their influence
As demonstrated with the Bundy Bunch in Oregon, even if the local population agrees with the reasons why you're doing something doesn't mean they agree with you doing that. Also you're talking about open warfare, it's dumb, there simply isn't enough motivated individuals to do this and Californians in general are a lost cause.
>>30477079
Yes, because fucking over the local population totally is a great idea and won't fill them with unbridled hatred and give the government an excuse to pull out the big guns while the public cheers.
Holy shit you are completely retarded.
>>30477306
>That'll make us look like terrorists and give the antigun crowd more fuel.
Oh because the other plan of "start a civil war" will make the antigun crowd reconsider their emotionally-charged position and back down.
>>30477612
Protip: None of that will ever happen.
>>30476637
I love being alive. I love my life and I don't want to die. And I'm afraid of being fucked by local, state, and federal authorities simply for trying to gather enough people to do something. But mostly I'm afraid of it being all for nothing. Let's say tomorrow we rise up and cast out all the Judges, Congressmen, Senators, and everyone else who shits on freedom. The next day similar people would be voted back into those positions, because that's what the people want. Fienstien hasn't been in office for over 20 years because she's a monarch, her constituents keep voting for her. As much as I would love to, I really don't think a violent insurrection would solve the problem even if it was successful.
We need some event that will convince the people that they want freedom. Or we could just seize power and tell the people they want freedom. Because at the end of the day, they people will go along with whatever they're told by the news and their party. If we really want to go crazy, we could round up any opposition, put them in camps, herd them into gas chambers, then just let them go. If that doesn't teach them the importance of freedom then I don't know what would.
>>30480179
nope none of them classifies it as a rifle
I'm half a country away. I couldn't care less about California gun laws.
>>30480027
name one thing wrong with fascism
Democracy & liberalism are mistakes that need to be rectified
>>30480378
>As demonstrated with the Bundy Bunch
>Cherry picking Oregon
They weren't backed at all from the LEOs and the local national guard. You're thinking of a small resistance crap. I'm talking about defection and large resistance like Athens, Tenesse.
>Oh because the other plan of "start a civil war" will make the antigun crowd reconsider their emotionally-charged position and back down.
Depends on who it'll appeal. Most of the states are red and knowing the atrocities commited in California, they'll sympathize with the gun crowd there.
>Protip: None of that will ever happen.
Protip: It can and will if you have the connections and silver tongue. Had Bundy kept his mouth shut about black people, he would have gotten support from the Republican Party to the end. This can include national guardsmen backing him up from red state governors.
>>30480677
Like you say, the problem is democracy
Possibly it would be solved by removing universal suffrage
Possibly it will take a new constitution and an end to the republic altogether
If Trump doesn't win and fix the demographic swing, then we're at the end of democracy anyways.
>>30481771
>They weren't backed at all from the LEOs and the local national guard. You're thinking of a small resistance crap. I'm talking about defection and large resistance like Athens, Tenesse.
Which won't happen at all unless you have the population on your side you mongoloid.
>Depends on who it'll appeal. Most of the states are red and knowing the atrocities commited in California, they'll sympathize with the gun crowd there.
Ignoring the massive [citation needed] for a moment, just because a state may be "red" doesn't mean it's going to support openly shooting at the government. You're thinking in absolute black and white terms here, the world doesn't and has never worked that way and only children and people who think like children are deluded into thinking otherwise.
Oh, and most people wouldn't consider this an "atrocity." Get your head out of your ass.
>Protip: It can and will if you have the connections and silver tongue.
Which you clearly don't, I partially support your position and despite that you're doing the opposite of winning me over. Nobody who cares enough to start a civil war in California is that politically connected because if they were then we wouldn't even be having this discussion anyway because none of this would have happened.
>Had Bundy kept his mouth shut about black people, he would have gotten support from the Republican Party to the end.
This is baseless conjecture, but after entertaining it in my head the only conclusion I can come up with is people like you exist. Had there been a Republican president at the helm the Bundys wouldn't have gotten support from anyone.
>This can include national guardsmen backing him up from red state governors.
Which would be cause for federal troops to show up and tell them to fuck off just like they did in the civil rights era, the scenario you're talking about has already happened.
You strike me as somebody too young to drink, or I hope this is all just youthful ignorance talking.
I usually try to avoid posting this.
Whatever happens, its only an inconvenience. 10 round mags, bullet buttons, no fwd grip, etc is just an annoyance and it makes a bunch of insufferable faggots feel better because they think they're doing something powerful.
If the shit ever hits the fan- however highly unlikely that is- it takes me about 4 minutes to remove the bullet button. Add another minute each to take the plastic blocks out of my 10/30 and 10/20mags and me and mine will be able to defend. I think far too much is made of this bullet button shit.
>>30480785
What about NFA compliant firearms? Are those allowed?
>>30476938
>>30477396
>>30477674
>>30477612
>>30478144
>>30478314
>>30478742
>>30480917
Give me liberty or give me death
>>30484255
bunping for desire to know on PR and NFA Compliance
Where are you, Puerto Anon? I need is info>>30487199>>30484255
>>30477238
You are not exempt from the NFA you dumb shit, i don't care what "El cuartel general" says.
>>30490942
>You are not exempt from the NFA you dumb shit, i don't care what "El cuartel general" says
Jealous main lander detected
>>30490942
>You are not exempt from the NFA you dumb shit, i don't care what "El cuartel general" says.
>He doesn't care about what the Puerto Rican Police State Department says.
>In the Commonwelath Capital
>That is the Police Headquarters in the Island
Spotted the gringo.
