Daily reminder to vote liberal democrats to legalize Concealed carry in Australia.
>Who are the Liberal democrats?
They're a libertarian party gaining traction in Australia
>What do they want to do?
Reduce redtape around firearm legislation, that means concealed carry and having self defense as a valid reason for owning a firearm.
Semmi autos will also be less restricted.
>How do I vote?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=66&v=DaudFcCCu1A
Watch this video.
>Firearm policy
Located here http://ldp.org.au/policy/firearms/
>>30440543
wheres the shrimp m8?
>>30440543
>vote for the liberal democrats to legalize guns
Holy shit Ausland really is backwards.
>>30440543
Please dear god let this work so Ausfags can try to reclaim they're balls.
>>30440554
That's not something we actually do m8.
>>30440561
Actually it is you who is backwards, Liberal has been hijacked by leftists to mean something else but traditionally it's always meant libertarian.
>>30440572
Hope so but it won't win the election or anything drastic like that.
>>30440588
>thats not something we do
wtf. WHY DID YOUR TOURISM BOARD FILM LEGENDARY PAUL HOGAN DOING THAT EXACT THING THEN M8'??
>>30440598
Dunno m8, maybe we did that stuff in the 80's? But not now.
>>30440598
We've always called them prawns but the tourist board figured the Yanks we wanted to visit wouldn't know what the actual fuck we were talking about
>>30440561
It's only in recent times that liberals have become such pussies. Historically liberals were for not trusting the state and having the means to overthrow them.
Also, if you're Australian you should for out the $70/year for party membership. I've had it for 12 months and it will do far more good than my $112/year SSAA membership.
>>30440543
Mate, this party should have a greater advertisement campaign. I now know what party to vote for.
Make Australia great again
>>30441075
There are a few based leyonhjelm posters I see on my way to work that say "stand up to the nanny state" or something. I feel like the Lib Dems could hopefully be the beggining of the uncucking of Australia. After the Brexit vote and other promising signs around the world, maybe people are starting to wake up to how fucking awful socialism is.
Of course, all hope could be shattered this time next week, but lets have heart.
>>30440667
>This
The SSAA does nothing for shooter rights.
They exist only to collect dues and they've basically been written into law.
>>30440543
>having self defense as a valid reason for owning a firearm
they are going to have to change a lot of self defense policy as well
there are laws that specifically say having an item placed in your house for the purpose of self defence is illegal
now if you can get away with it if you keep a glove and ball with the bat on the shelf next to your bed your lawyer will thank you
but a firearm will always break australian self defence laws for being too extreme
>>30441226
This, SSAA are fucking useless and dont deserve anyones money
How is it that based Leyonhjelm and the Liberal Democrats have managed to get money together to run pro hunting and pro self defence ads on youtube, when the SSAA make millions a year and seem to do nothing at all with it, i dont see new ranges opening up, i dont see existing ranges being upgraded. fuck them
>>30441347
The owners of the SSAA have strong links to parliament.
They get a steady stream of revenue from gun owners (as enforced by parliament) in return for keeping us from getting uppity.
>>30441471
>They get a steady stream of revenue from gun owners (as enforced by parliament) in return for keeping us from getting uppity.
wat?
>>30441597
You didn't know that the SSAA are a literal puppet organisation of the government?
>Gun laws ever being relaxed in this country
you're in denial m8
nothing will ever, ever, ever change
in fact it's going to get worse, I would say before it gets better, but that's just a non issue
>>30441603
oh ok i thought that's what you were inferring i just wasn't entirely sure
>>30441617
that file name
do facebook normies use vars as a reaction face without realising what he stands for?
also i agree
>>30441597
SSAA fudds sold the rest of out in return for the recognition of their club membership and safety courses being the officially approved ones.
>$$$
Now Shooters Union in Qld has their own official ranges, club memberships, safety course etc
>if you can support them, your money isnt going to the geriatric fudds
>>30441597
SSAA is one of the few recognised sporting shooter associations.
In the beginning they were basically the only ones.
If you want a license, you need to pay them yearly dues of $125.
The owners/board of the SSAA are good friends with parliament and stand to lose tens of millions in yearly revenue if membership of a club was no longer required.
In return for this pay packet they donate to various politicians and refuse to back any change of current laws.
There is not one single member of the SSAA that doesn't hate them.
>>30440543
Don't forget that at least one of the LDP officers post on /k/ too.
Probably more.
>>30441705
I'm a member of the LDP, but that just means I pay my yearly dues and I get the word out about minor parties.
>>30440561
>backwards
You mean upside down m8
can someone explain this to me can one of these minor parties become a big party and run the country
because too me the two party system doesn't really feel like democracy
most years labour and liberal aren't that different besides maybe boat people
Convince me why as a young person/student I should vote liberal instead of putting them at the bottom of my list
Anyone know if the shooters fishers and farmers party is doing much this election in NSW?
>>30441741
it doesn't matter who you vote for because the boomers will outweigh your vote anyway
>>30441726
There's nothing but money stopping them.
That money, however, is supplied by "donations" from lobby groups and corporations.
Big parties are built on the cornerstone of institutional corruption.
As such any large party, and some smaller parties, can not exist without corruption and bribery.
An ideal system would be an entirely independent parliament, but the next best thing is an entire house and senate made up of micro parties.
>>30441741
You shouldn't.
Liberals sent us down the river in the first place, just because they're not actively trying to sink the boat doesn't mean they're good for us.
Vote micro parties first, all major parties last.
>>30441761
b-b-b-but friendlyjordies s-s-said young Australians were the hidden majority
It dun mater anyway. Labor is going to win
>>30441811
Whoever wins, we lose.
>>30441813
that's pessimistic as fuck
is our political climate that bad? (lol okay maybe it is)
Are things really any worse off than the 20th century?
>>30441804
>Vote micro parties first, all major parties last.
yeah will be doing tqbh familia
>>30441797
hmmm could the government just give political parties a cap on donations so everyones on a level playing field
>>30441811
i don't get why people would vote for labour when australia has been relatively stable
>>30441797
>system would be an entirely independent parliament
what do you mean?
>>30441838
because voting liberal is not going to make my life any easier for the next 20 years
especially in regards to my uni fees
I don't give a fuck about refugees
>>30441820
We are definitely worse off.
Rights are being legislated away day after day and corporations literally own our government.
Right now you are being monitored, your meta data recorded and analysed - all for the crime of being an Australian citizen.
50 years ago, if the same thing were done with the mail system heads would have rolled.
We have lost all shooter's rights.
There are politicians trying to ban compound bows.
We can't even have certain Nerf guns.
Our government throws our money at state monopolies and then transfers the monopolies into the pockets of their corporate supporters.
Corruption is so ingrained in our political system that "conscience votes" are a huge deal in the media.
If this were in the corporate system people would be in prison for collusion.
>>30441833
Doesn't stop under the table donations.
Plus, political parties will still be paid for by lobby groups and corporations - they can't survive and have their fancy offices without it.
>>30441848
>>30441845
Ban political parties and political collusion.
Each candidate would be held to their policies and their promises to their constituents as much as you or I are held to statutory declarations.
>>30441871
so how does it work just one dude says this is what my policies are and what i would do if elected
and if he veers from that he is what kicked out?
>>30441851
when you late it out like that it makes me sick
>>30441851
and apt and well worded response.
duly noted, I should get a VPN before the party van shows up at my house
>>30441868
fantastic well thought out response friend, you really showed me
>>30441909
>>30441713
Yeah there's an officer of one of the local chapters too.
>>30441880
Statutory Declarations.
Violating one garners a prison sentence and a large fine.
>>30441907
>>30441909
It's the situation we're in.
All you can do is spread the word.
People don't have to vote for the LDP, the ALA, etc; but if we can make them aware of the state of our nation, our freedoms and the outright wrought in our political system, then maybe we can make a difference.
If you are going to explain it to someone, compare it to our corporate system - taking bribes on board decisions or colluding to alter the market will send you to prison - doing it in parliament will net you a salary and a pension.
Also show them examples of Xenophon, Leyonhjelm and Muir (whether or not you agree with their policies) - three basically lone men who have had the biggest individual impacts in Australian politics in decades; owed simply to the fact that they actually represent the people who voted for them.
Imagine an entire parliament made up of people as committed to their constituents as them.
>>30441757
Also curious.
I would have thought this board would be all for the shooters fishers farmers party?
Should I at least be referencing them 2nd or something?
>>30442016
Above major parties, but on the whole they're mostly Fudds.
They are intrinsically linked with the SSAA and as such benefit greatly from the current situation.
>>30441838
Yes - But the main reason for the stability has been Labour. For instance, the global financial crisis was headed by a labour man who's been called one of our greatest economists of all time by pretty much the entire political spectrum. Meanwhile the Libs have just focused on tax cuts for companies and cutting money from the ABC (our BBC style independent govt television broadcaster) and healthcare. Not to mention they've been trash for worker's conditions and updating our ancient internet infrastructure etc too. There's a lot of reasons to swap them out this year.
>>30442031
PS: To be fair, they did get elected on their policies for stopping illegal boat immigration and scraping our carbon tax ... Which I can see the appeal of ... But all the other promises (NO budget cuts to ABC & Healthcare etc) were pretty much forgotten.
>>30442024
Cool.
>>30442012
how are the polies colluding and taking bribes?
>>30442031
>>30442048
lol giving a shit about the abc which is probably as left leaning as all other stations and far from objective and thinking that rudd saved us during america's little housing hiccup when it was the mining boom and selling iron ore to china
>>30442031
>>30442048
oh and didn't the libs reduce the debt that labour got us in?
but its all much of a muchness the boat people are probably a drop in the ocean to all the people we are letting in anyway
>>30442048
>>30442031
>>30442079
sorry i meant to say that this guy >>30441851 is right and it doesn't really matter who gets in
>>30442052
Political parties.
You vote for a Liberal candidate - they promise not to support the TPP, it comes to a vote and they are forced by the party to vote the party line (denying "conscience votes") and vote to support the TPP.
They are forced to do this or they will be kicked out of the party, which pays for their campaigning, meaning they will lose their seat and their salary.
The party is supported by "donations" which are largely from lobby groups, corporations and other private interests.
The party is an extra-governmental agency that is artificially controlling our political system and acts as a direct conduit for bribery and corruption.
It's the exact same thing that unions used to do back in the day and it's the exact same thing people are sent to prison for in the private sector.
>>30442070
ABC is neat, it supports local productions and stimulates the sector.
Plus that ad free radio.
>>30442097
>>30442097
interesting where did you come by your opinions?
>>30442107
>local productions
what local productions
>stimulates the sector.
who cares grass roots online journalism is where you should be getting your news MSM is a dinosaur that i cant wait to die
> that ad free radio.
you don't listen to triple j by chance?
>>30442134
I did a bit of research on politics, Australian and world wide.
The advent of political parties was something warned of by the US founding fathers, they predicted open and wanton corruption in the political system and here we are today, drowning in it.
>>30442134
>you don't listen to triple j by chance?
Hahaha.. This Dude's onto you. Better come clean.
Also - Do you wash your hair with mayonnaise?
>>30442134
>Local productions.
S+S
Glass House (miss it so badly).
Gruen.
Australian Story.
Blinky Bill.
Chaser's.
Etc
I agree that grass roots is way better news.
>Triple J
Yeah, best music selection of any modern radio station, no ads, weekly programs on different genres of music and a pretty decent breakfast crew that manages not to be 100% cringe.
That said, there is massive Greenie bias on it, especially with their "Hack" hosts, but I just generally turn off the radio at that point.
I've called in once or twice during the hack program just to retort their bullshit, but they've since stopped answering my calls.
Also, I don't know when you were last involved in a bush fire, but ABC Local saves lives.
>>30442216
People do that?
>>30442079
But reducing the debt isn't actually a good thing always. It was a fucking great policy to spend during the GFC, and "THE DEBTS!" scare campaign doesn't change that. And in fact, the debt we ended up having was absolutely miniscule compared to any other 1st world country anyway.
But here's the kicker: The debt has INCREASED, not reduced. To quote the excellent "Fact Check" from the same ABC that the liberals want to destroy:
"On debt, Senator Wong is correct to state that net debt has increased by $100 billion since Labor left office.
But the deficit over that time has doubled, not tripled."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-18/fact-check-did-the-govt-triple-the-deficit/7407538
So no, their economics is amazingly bad I'm afraid.
... And yeah I agree with the boat people, but I suppose a hardline stance there is better for the overall picture than total laxity.
>>30440543
>if you are a greens voter, you should just stay at home
kekt heartily, fucken top stuff mate
>>30442256
>S+S
>Glass House (miss it so badly).
>Gruen.
>Australian Story.
>Blinky Bill.
>Chaser's.
>Etc
lol all shit and the chasers sold out and look what happened
>Triple J
your just not lucky enough to have a good local fm station
but whatever if the abc was shut down tomorrow i wouldn't shed a tear
>>30442256
>Blinky Bill.
cheese tv showing dragon ball z and pokemon was superior sorry
>>30442278
I can't listen to commercial radio, shit just irks me.
>>30442286
I'm not denying that, but Blinky Bill was comfy as fuck after school as a kid.
>>30442264
>But reducing the debt
having debt means you owe someone something and if you owe someone something there may come a time they want what you owe back and they will take it in whatever form you can give
land, political capital, trade etc...
i didn't read the rest of your post it must be my cognitive dissonance
>>30442070
Whoops, forgot to reply to you too.
Firstly - As left leaning as WHAT other stations?
All of the other ones aside from SBS are either right wing, or have connections to News Corp etc.
And in any case:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/audits-exonerate-abc-over-bias-claims/story-e6frg996-1226852398864
You're pretty much flat out wrong anyway.
And no, it wasn't Rudd himself you fool. It's not as if our heads of govt run the entire thing by themselves. Why don't you do some research and find out how little that mining boom helped us during the GFC.
>>30442294
we have a radio station that runs of subscriptions aka donations and its great
>>30442311
Neat, I'm a rural sandgroper so my only non-cringe non-commercial station is Triple-j.
>>30442308
>All of the other ones aside from SBS are either right wing, or have connections to News Corp etc.
lol with shows like the project and shit like that or do you think today tonight doing exposes of shoddy washing machine repairists as right wing?
As long as I can get an eyeful of Michelle Lim still, I don't give a fuck what happens to the ABC.
Pic related.
About Blinky Bill, ABC ain't the same. This isn't the 70's any more...
>>30442299
You're thinking of debt from the perspective of an uneducated layperson trying to work out their family budget.
Let's say you can borrow money at ~1% interest. And let's say you can invest money and get back ~2% interest.
You would be an idiot not to go into massive debt by borrowing at ~1% and investing at ~2%.
Furthermore: As I said, we had such a ridiculously small level of debt that if we really, REALLY had to, we indeed could've easily covered it by selling off whatever we needed to in order to raise the money. But virtually every other country in the world would've been several times more fucked than us in that situation, because our level of debt was retardedly small, even before it was doubled by the libs:
http://www.factsfightback.org.au/how-big-is-australias-debt-check-the-facts/
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-18/fact-check-did-the-govt-triple-the-deficit/7407538
>>30442327
>non-cringe
i dunno lad tripple j is pretty cringe well hack is very cringe if you ask me
but whatever i guess
>>30442333
How is talking about shoddy washing machine repairists left wing OR right wing?
Wow. Tbh I've never really had a good idea of why the libs were so popular (aside from their immigration and climate change policies of course). Seems like it's mostly ignorance of economics and "Fuck the left wingers!"
>>30442363
I'm talking about the general shows.
Hack must be just a black pit in the office where they relegate their cringe.
Most of their hosts on the regular shows are calm and don't do the over the top bullshit of mist radio hosts.
>>30442360
no i don't think so and don't get into your economic mumbo jumbo m8
>You would be an idiot not to go into massive debt by borrowing at ~1%
yes unless of course there is an economic collapse right and those people need there money back right?
>>30442386
yeah fair enough lad
>>30442374
what i'm trying to say is the news (when i used to watch it) was left leaning, as in the american version of left leaning aka liberal harping on about sjw shit and not giving a shit about real issues like our rights being murdered and the abc is very much the same, your on a gun board and your saying the australian media isn't left leaning?
>>30441848
>muh free uni
If you choose to consume education then you should pay for it faggot. Do you really think that it's sustainable for the government to keep borrowing umpteen billions, mortgaging our future with fucking interest payments our grandchildren will be paying off and taxing us in to the ground so that you can get a "free" degree in basketweaving or whatever useless bullshit you come up with next?
If you study something useful, then the cost of uni is worth it due to the money you will be able to earn with the skills you've gained. Why should everyone be forced to pay for a personal benefit to you? It might also discourage people from studying shit like town planning which has unethically pumped out 10 x the graduates than there are roles available.
>>30442501
>basketweaving
i had a good chuckle at that
>>30442501
>Basketweaving
Dave, is that you? My bros in highschool would always label shit subjects, sjw shit and pseudoscience as that.
lads serious question its a bit off topic
but what ummm like black technology does australia have?
like have any ufo's been downed and we have back engineered the craft or shit like that
i know some of you may be former adf had heard some rumours or some shit?
>>30440543
Good luck, you kangaroo-fucking shitcunts.
>>30442575
>>30442552
Quinkans.
Definately Quinkans.
>>30442308
>All the other ones aside from SBS are right wing
Oh, is that why we get such balanced coverage as EVERY Australian free to air network praising the effectiveness of our useless gun control measures, praising mass migration, pushing the wage gap myth, pushing anti-american race baiting propaganda (zim zam, mike brown et al), pushing anthropogenic climate change propaganda, staying silent on the crime and social turmoil that has occurred in Europe as a result of their mass migration and siding with the left on literally every social and political issue that we are dealing with?
>>30442598
m8 i'm not gunna google that but aside from pic related have we got anything cool
>>30442599
This.
This, is why I can't stand TV anymore.
>Aside from aforementioned Playschool with Michelle.
I literally watch zero TV, except when dragged in by the kids.
>>30442612
Ye have little sense of adventure.
>>30442615
i just watch sport but i'm pretty sure that goes for most people right? i mean watching tv in current year +1
>>30442619
ever been on /a/ and asked for anime recommendations?
>>30442599
dw he's just the afp/asio dude monitoring this thread
>>30442501
>If you choose to consume education then you should pay for it faggot.
If we want skilled workers we need to pay for them. We greatly benefited in the past from cheap/free universities and the lack of such will put us behind other countries in important sectors.
>>30442700
>We greatly benefited in the past from cheap/free universities and the lack of such will put us behind other countries in important sectors.
yes but that was before the whole tertiary education system got diluted and expanded
instead of churning out doctors and engineers now we have liberal arts students and nutritionists
and then what do we get more people sucking of the teat of welfare with a massive student debt
>>30440543
>If you are a greens voter, you should just stay at home.
Love this party already.
don't go to bed lads i wanna talk about gun politics
>>30442722
>instead of churning out doctors and engineers now we have liberal arts students and nutritionists
Money moving is money working.
We have a service based economy and these services are in demand - if we can't provide graduates, Pajeet will.
>and then what do we get more people sucking of the teat of welfare with a massive student debt
University costs have been allowed to balloon out of control - there is very little actual cost debt and it is used to generate positive growth via interest. Interest and loans have become a wrought that we use to artificially increase our CPI.
>>30442769
>service based economy
ahhhh well then we have to change the economy don't we
start manufacturing and refining instead of exporting raw materials
>University costs have been allowed to balloon out of control - there is very little actual cost debt and it is used to generate positive growth via interest. Interest and loans have become a wrought that we use to artificially increase our CPI.
so whats your solution? i'm all for free eduction but who's gunna pay for tumblerina to do her woman studies lectures?
>>30442816
>ahhhh well then we have to change the economy don't we
>start manufacturing and refining instead of exporting raw materials
Easier said than done.
>so whats your solution? i'm all for free eduction but who's gunna pay for tumblerina to do her woman studies lectures?
It artificially increases our CPI by increasing our cash flow, which in turn increases interest rates, etc. etc.
It's basically financial wizardry at work - the money gained by our growing CPI is greater than the money lost on unrecoverable loans.
Thoughts on family first party, lads?
>>30442837
>It's basically financial wizardry at work - the money gained by our growing CPI is greater than the money lost on unrecoverable loans.
are you some sort of economist because all this bullshit makes no sense to me
>>30442845
Cuckservatives.
>>30442861
>are you some sort of economist because all this bullshit makes no sense to me
I've studied it.
Basically, the money we expend on it is cash flow, the money automatically paid into it by the people that earn enough is cash flow, the interest the loans accrue is cash flow.
More cash flow means greater CPI, which means more growth of our GDP, which means we have a stronger economy - it's like when we purposely devalue our dollar to stimulate trade, or when the RBA refuses to lower interest rates - we're trying to stimulate cash flow to ensure we continue to grow our GDP.
>>30440543
Tell me about the Australians. Why do they wear the tea bags?
>>30442906
They're corks mate, keep the flies away.
>>30442893
yes but this cash flow you speak of which seems like what is most important how does that help the average australian?
>>30442934
>yes but this cash flow you speak of which seems like what is most important how does that help the average australian?
Immediately, it doesn't.
Long term, it creates growth in the economy, which ensures the growth of your salary/wage.
Basically it keeps the numbers green and prevents recessions.
>>30442906
>tea bags?
kek, look at this drongo m8s
>>30442845
Not bad, they need to team up with the smaller better parties in a coalition to cuck the bigguns.
>>30442951
ok
but going back to university how do we fix it? we need to rid ourselves of these basketweeving degrees that don't get jobs or even have jobs except in academia
>>30442989
>but going back to university how do we fix it?
Well, right now it's "broken just right".
Our financial wizards have skewed it to support our economy.
>we need to rid ourselves of these basketweeving degrees that don't get jobs or even have jobs except in academia
Cash flow is cash flow.
A waste of space isn't going to become a fantastic engineer because Vegan Interpretive Dance is no longer an available minor - you might as well use their debt to generate loans, interest and then recoup some of it when they crack 54K at age 40.
>>30443030
lol so your saying fuck em and then take it back off them from their life time of working at coles
For anyone who is interested: FOU has posted a manifesto/policy letter on their vision for Australian gun laws.
>>30440068
http://www.firearmownersunited.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/FOU-Policy-Final.pdf
And, if anyone is iterested further, I've gone through and edited it to be more concise and objective.
https://mega.nz/#!dAxRSS7K
>>30443062
Basically - they crack 54K (and I think they're trying to lower it to 50K) at any dead end job and they start paying.
Loans, interest and repayments all count towards GDP, so the same money is suddenly worth more than 200% its original value.
>>30443091
just give us the dot points lad
>>30443119
It's a fairly lengthy document, but the gist is.
>Licensing good.
>Different types of licensing bad.
>Registry bad.
>PTA bad.
So they want to reduce the licensing to three/four categories.
A:
>All shotguns
>All rimfire rifles
>All manual action centrefire rifles
B:
>All self loading centrefire rifles.
H:
>All handguns.
R:
>Machine Guns
>Rocket Launchers
>Flame throwers
I just want to get rid of fags and muslims while keeping muh guns.
Too much to ask?
>>30443141
>Flame throwers
now i think any good aussie bloke should be allowed to own and use recreationally flame throwers
>>30443152
whats your problem with those people?
>>30443225
>now i think any good aussie bloke should be allowed to own and use recreationally flame throwers
Yeah, but it's pretty much a direct transfer of our current Class R license.
what would happen if say port author happened recently instead of 1996?
>>30443141
an improvement, better than nothin anyway.
>>30443274
Muzzle loaders only.
Powder would have to be stored in a different state.
>>30443286
you will never fight the glorious seccessionist war with muzzle loaders
>>30443298
>you will never fight the glorious seccessionist war with muzzle loaders
As it is, any civil war in Australia will be fought with SKS rifles and a metric fuck ton of bikie built sub guns.
>>30443315
desu i'd like to see a luti(sp?) in action? like if it cycles properly and all that
i remember that dude making uzi's in his back yard
i'd like to see how well those things functioned as well
but i don't think the police would very much like gun reviews on illegally manufactured firearms and news got out that they functioned effectively
oh well
>>30443355
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv33pCUkLRM
ere ya go m8
>>30443355
>desu i'd like to see a luti(sp?) in action? like if it cycles properly and all that
They get seized quite often.
They function pretty much perfectly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv33pCUkLRM
Bikies love the subgun trade - less risk than drug trade, much higher profit margin.
>>30443355
high end lutys from 'straya
>>30443381
>Bikies love the subgun trade - less risk than drug trade, much higher profit margin.
how do you know about this officer?
>>30443381
>>30443367
criminals have these and all i have is a fucking butter knife
jesus christ i wont feel safe without a fucking backpack nuke now
>>30443406
kek
Reported street cost of subguns is between 1-10K depending on quality of manufacture/supply in area.
A jeweller was making high end MAC clones (that functioned better than actual MAC guns) and bikies were reselling them for ridiculous money.
A Luty made with hand tools, with an unrifled barrel will still net about 1K for what is ostensibly very minimal material cost and labour.
>>30443438
>i have is a fucking butter knife
Git a loif bin that knoif!
>>30443438
>criminals have these and all i have is a fucking butter knife
Pretty much.
Don't you feel safe now that pepper spray is illegal to carry; I mean, people don't break laws now, do they?
>>30443443
>>30443456
well lad thank god for the good police having no idea where these are coming from and who are manufacturing them, no offense officer
>>30443469
>well lad thank god for the good police having no idea where these are coming from and who are manufacturing them, no offense officer
Oh, the cops know, but they don't want to break the cold war that bikie gangs have been having for the past decade.
They don't want to return to the early 90's late 80's.
Plus, it's like every low end pot dealer - catch one, three others pop up - I don't know anyone in the business, but I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to find someone who can supply it.
From what I understand they're working more on illegal importations, which are also very available - you or I could go out and probably find a supplier within a weekend (especially consider Monis could source one and he couldn't even source a fucking flag - plus that 15 year old kid got a handgun that was imported from the US).
>>30443443
>>30443403
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>>30443367
how are they getting the boolets?
also why aren't they making rifles?
>>30443533
>also why aren't they making rifles?
straight blowback .32smg are a lot easier to make, you have any idea how much effort, skill and design goes into a rifle?
>>30443533
>how are they getting the boolets?
They reload their own or they have people buy them in bulk - just like they have people buy Cold N Flu meds for meth.
>also why aren't they making rifles?
Sub guns are much easier to make - plus it suits the nightly drive bys in Shitney and Pissbane.
AFAIK people did make AR-18 clones back in the day, but there's more profit in sub guns.
Plus, if you want a rifle, there's probably a few hundred thousand farmers who could point you to a field with some strange retic under it.
>>30443513
but the longer the cops let it happen the more criminals will get them i'd say its worth taking them down in order to stem the flow of illegal firearms
can you tell me more about this bikie cold war and the bikie wars in the early 90's and late 80's i was only a kid then
also how are they importing the weapons? just like bringing bulk machined parts and sneaking in a bolt or something at a time
>>30443559
yeah i was just curious you know branching out a business upping the tech
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>>30440543
hope it works out for you guys and you get your guns back!
>>30443585
Here, a homemade .22 rifle from Mexico with revolving magazine, it can be done BUT it is much harder and requires far more skill material as stated above, plus plans aren't readily available online a la http://thehomegunsmith.com/
>>30443588
it wont
>>30443616
forgot pic
>>30443623
loving this home made shit ahhahahaha
m16 when?
>>30443585
>but the longer the cops let it happen the more criminals will get them i'd say its worth taking them down in order to stem the flow of illegal firearms
It's a never ending flow.
It's why cops don't go after pot growers anymore.
You could walk to down to Bunning's whorehouse, grab all the materials and tools you need to make a Luty and no one would bat an eye.
A few hours later and bam, subgun.
>can you tell me more about this bikie cold war and the bikie wars in the early 90's and late 80's i was only a kid then
During the late 80's and 90's the crime wars sort of spilled over into every day life - club houses became literal fortresses, taking the cops hours to break into, there were shootouts in broad daylight between clubs and with each death the violence just got worse.
Eventually there were brokered agreements between clubs and the police, which stopped the violence.
But clubs still practice MAD, they still stock up on firearms, retribution is quick and fierce - if the cops came down on any particular club it would start another war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milperra_massacre
>>30443645
here a homemade 5.56 assault rifle from columbia
>>30443648
interesting i never watched underbelly or any shit like that so i'm not up to date on crime culture in australia
reading the wiki page they have all there own little laws and rules and officers and shit like that
interesting
how big are the bikie clubs in man power?
>>30443687
>how big are the bikie clubs in man power?
There's dozens of clubs and can range from a few dozen to a few thousand.
Don't remember the source, but supposedly (including affiliates) large clubs have about 5K members.
>>30443685
nice sbr? whats going on wheres the barrel?
when you say home made from columbia what do you mean? parts are from columbia or the plans?
>>30443648
> Comanchero leader "Jock" Ross, a military enthusiast, intended to stand in the open to give the appearance he was alone, hoping to draw the Bandidos into a pincer movement that was based on the "Bullhorn Ambush" that he read had been used in the Second Boer War
we zulu now hahahahahahahaha this shit is comedy gold
>>30441703
doesn't hate who?
>>30443702
Straight blowback, barrel is in the cylindrical body, gun probably came from FARC or Aguilas Negras
>>30442388
Sorry I've come back late.
"no i don't think so and don't get into your economic mumbo jumbo m8 "
You've literally summarised here why you're an idiot. "No I don't think so" isn't an argument. Don't talk about the fucking economy as if you know anything about it if very basic concepts are just 'mumbo jumbo' to you. We're not talking about saving up your pocket money for a shiny new toy, or borrowing money off your mum & dad here.
>yes unless of course there is an economic collapse right and those people need there money back right?
Except those loans have terms on them. And you don't have to pay back shit until those terms have ended. And in the case of an economic collapse, people also owe YOU money in the hypothetical I outlined earlier. Ideally you would also be spreading out who you make those loans to.
Futhermore, if such a crisis happens, you're in a MUCH better position to ride it out of you've spent money on ensuring your economy is healthy and you've got money coming in to pay those loans back eventually (at that point it's more their problem than ours), rather than having a weaker economy that's now been hit by a financial crisis to boot.
TL;DR - Sorry, you have no idea how a modern economy works, and now I'm beginning to understand that a ridiculously large proportion of Australians have the same issue.
>>30443731
The SSAA.
>>30443754
well i know how the banks work but the rest of it is just like i said mumbo jumbo
>>30440616
Well, they were right, I can barely understand spoken Australian
