How do the Japanese stand as a military force during WWII compared to the other nations? How effective were they?
Beyond sea and air during the early years their equipment and many tactics were either outdated or obsolete.
Their basic ammunition standardization (none) was a prime example of just utterly incompetent their high command were in terms of logistics and longterm warfare.
>>30431767
Most of these "contests" are fabrications of the Chinese following the war (and in some cases during the war in an attempt to induce American intervention)
I'll put it like this.
As far as their ground forces were concerned. They had the best WW1 Army, in WW2.
If they hadn't invested so much into carriers and airplanes before the war. It would also apply to their navy.
Logistically, they were complete shit. Never established convoys to get supplies through. They just sent what ever ship they had, on its own, hoping it got to its destination. Which is why US submarines were so effective in destroying their supply lines. They resorted to using submarines as tankers and cargo ships at the end of the war. It was the only way to get anything back to Japan.
Which is another one of their problems. They misused submarines. They left them as scouts for fleets. Instead of letting them run loose to sink enemy logistics shipping.
They didn't rotate experienced pilots back to Japan to train up new pilots. So every time a pilot was shot down. His experience was lost and he was replaced by a completely green pilot.
They only did well because they faced a China in the midst of a decades long civil war and undermanned and under equipped western colonial forces. They fought the Soviets once before the war proper and got BTFO. Which is why Japan never attacked the Soviets during the war.
They had two nuclear weapons programs. One run by the navy near Tokyo. They knew how to enrich uranium and build a bomb. Yet they had no uranium ore or heavy water. The Army ran their program in korea. Where they had access to uranium ore. We don't really know how far the Army program got. Since the Soviets looted everything in Korea and sent it back to Russia. Though there is a story about a Japanese officer in korea. He tells a reporter in an American Army unit that he witnessed a huge fireball and mushroom cloud off the coast of korea just before the war ended. Though I doubt the Japanese army would have wasted material on a test fire like that. If they thought they had a working bomb. They would have used it against the Soviets.
>>30431842
It took 2 posts.
>>30431878
>If they hadn't invested so much into carriers and airplanes before the war.
What?
You think they'd be better off with LESS carriers?
>>30432219
No.
What I am saying is. They had a very nice ww1 navy, plus carriers and airplanes.
The more I read into, the more I can see that overall Japan wasn't really good. It was more that their enemies in Asia were just worse.
Early advantages they had in the war against the US has been countered by mid 1942 and it was all downhill from there.
>>30432284
Things were going downhill by '41
Once the Americans decided to stop giving them oil it was over for Japan
>>30433593
the entire reason for the war was to get the resources needed for a heavy industry economy.
If they had just stopped after Manchuku. they could have developed that and Korea. Giving them the farm fields, metal deposits, and oil fields they needed.
>>30433902
>Japan
>Checking their imperial ambitions without the assistance of American Firebombing
Never
It was PAN-ASIAN ALLIANCE (with Japanese """"leadership"""") or bust
>>30433922
>No India
>No Indonesia
>No Australia
Even in an alternative universe the Japs are still failures
The only thing the Japanese had going for them is that 1) They were halfway across the world from the West and 2) They started preparing for war years before the West (Which is why their Zero seemed so powerful, when it was really just its enemies being so weak.)
>>30431878
>Never established convoys to get supplies through. They just sent what ever ship they had, on its own, hoping it got to its destination.
Actually they did develop a convoy system. However it was for the most part, too little and too late. On a few occasions, USN wolfpacks pretty much wiped out entire convoys as well as the escorts.
>>30433922
Hirohito had the opportunity to start ending the war early once Tojo was removed from office, but he decided not to.
>>30431732
I believe the IJA was the only military force in history ever to be repeatedly BTFO by Indians--albeit they were British-led Indians.
>>30433902
>If they had just stopped after Manchuku. they could have developed that and Korea.
This would not have been possible. You can't occupy a hostile population with a strong national identity that's half as large as your own. Especially not during the Cold War when those places are right next to the USSR. Korea and Manchuria would have been an unimaginable drain on Japanese economy and manpower and just not worth trying to hold on to.
>>30441132
Eh, consider the numbers involved it's more impressive the japs put up a fight in that part of the campaign at all
>>30431732
IJA was a joke, navy was semi-joke and organisation of this shit was terrible.
They achieved successes because everybody they've faced early on was unprepared, under equipped, heavily outnumbered or used faulty equipment(for instance - American torpedoes).
>>30441836
Military that made a fool of a good half of the world was a joke.
Right
Given Japanese technological inferiority to their enemies I'd say what they managed to accomplish was actually pretty impressive. But like other Anons pointed out their equipment and tactics were badly outdated and they were outclassed by other forces.
Another interesting thing to note is that their entire motive for war was outdated too, they seemed to still have their heads full of 19th century ideas of colonialism, imperialism, and nationalism, which is why they began their big expansion of their colonial empire right as Europeans were beginning to dismantle theirs.
Might have something to do with the fact that not only was Japan late to the colonial party, but they missed out on all the worst parts of WW1 meaning that they didn't lose faith in 19th century style nationalism like Europeans did.
>>30431732
All I care about are tanks
And the Japs sucked at tanks
So fuck 'em
>>30431732
The most outdated, antiquated and malnourished force of any major power in WW2.
Their equipment was comparable to late WW1 and they were no better motorized than Allied powers in WW1.
And surely, they got curb stomped by everyone.
>>30443368
You have to give the average Jap soldier credit for their ridiculous fighting spirit.
>>30431732
The more important question is, who would have won in a war, Italy or Japan?
>>30441810
>Eh, consider the numbers involved it's more impressive the japs put up a fight in that part of the campaign at all
You mean considering there was rough parity for the important battles? Also Japs didn't really put up a fight, unless your standard for "putting up a fight" is extremely low.
>>30445074
Italy and Japan had roughly the same war production except Italy was the least mobilized major economy in WW2 and Japan was the most mobilized economy.
>>30442291
Lt. General Percival surrendering 80,000 British soldiers to 30,000 Japanese soldiers really didn't help.
God fucking damnit, Percival.
>>30445378
There was one British division at Singapore. The rest were Indians and Malay, plus an understrength Australian division.
>>30445407
Does it matter that they weren't all top quality? They're still combatants.
Let's see...
>Thermite-tier airplanes.
>Most pistols are .32 ACP or 8mm Nambu. I hesitate to use the phrase "stopping power," but DAMN, that's some weak shit!
>Lightly armored tanks.
>Navy run by battleship-cadre; don't give the aircraft carrier the importance it deserves.
>Ineffective use of submarines.
>Ineffective use of everything, really. Their own soldiers noted their lack of coordination.
>Banzai charges against semi-automatic rifles.
>Sizeable empire, but most citizens outside of Japan are excluded from it, and therefore cannot contribute much to the war effort (except for their women).
>Take over lots of European colonies and Manchuria, but there isn't much industry there, save for Dutch oil refining.
>No mass training program for pilots until it's too late.
>Religious cult of Emperor and sacred Japan, which means that when the U.S. Army Airforce bends Japan over and has its way with her, it just demoralizes them even more.
Claim to be liberators; actually treat locals worse than Europeans and Americans did. As a result, get Pinoys all up in their shit.
>Three-Alls policy in China has similar effect.
>Convince their own civilians to jump off cliffs.
>And seriously, what is with this Japanese response towards failure? You could just retreat to a better position or withdraw and take the time to learn from your mistakes. Lol, nope, seppuku!
Overall, I cannot fault the fighting spirit of their men. But this fighting spirit is little use when out gunned, out numbered, and out maneuvered. Overall, their officers and samurai culture were to blame. Hirohito was a shit-tier ruler who deserved the gallows.
>>30444692
literally a meme
>>30448150
Bad shitposter, go shitpost somewhere else.
>>30447777
>Does it matter that they weren't all top quality? They're still combatants.
Yeah you're right, quality doesn't matter at all.
Sarcasm aside, what matters more is that they weren't British. There weren't 80,000 British soldiers because something like 70,000 of them were Indians, Malay, and a few Australians.
>>30431842
Sure they were, Jap Fag, sure they were. This is why I have no issue with us nuking you nips. You just can't admit you people were pretty much the shittiest shits ever. Raping, murdering, basically acting like yellow niggers. Kinda wish we kept dropping A-bombs on you sick fucks.
>>30448871
Still, it's stupid to disregard a force of 80,000 men because 70,000 of them weren't born on a rainy little aristocratic island.
>>30441836
>navy was semi-joke
That semi joke of a navy was highly trained, well motivated and more than ready for battle. In night fighting, they were far ahead of the Allied navies and proved highly dangerous opponents.
>>30431732
if japan had as much production output as murrica did, the land of the burgers would be selling sushi in their burger kings right now.
MURRICA didn't win the tech war, instead they zergling rush the fuck out of them with shit planes and boats out numbering them 10 to 1
>>30450181
Weak Bait Is Weak.
>>30450181
>Real US Army
>Obviously Marines
>>30450181
YEAH JAPANEZE WUZ GUD BOIS, DEY DINDU NUFFIN WRONG
>>30450181
>MURRICA didn't win the tech war
>didn't win
>the tech war
Fuck, you're right, the Nip's THOUSAND TIMES FOLDED GRORIOUS NIPPON STEEL katanas were waaaaay more advanced than the Manhattan Project.
>>30450919
This person makes a salient point.
>>30450181
The US won in tech, production, tactics, and strategy. They beat japan soundly in every way that mattered.
>>30451027
This. Anyone who thinks otherwise is ignorant of the American war time economy.
>>30431878
>He tells a reporter in an American Army unit that he witnessed a huge fireball and mushroom cloud off the coast of korea just before the war ended. Though I doubt the Japanese army would have wasted material on a test fire like that. If they thought they had a working bomb. They would have used it against the Soviets.
If his reports are true, it could have been the Japanese destroying a munitions dump to prevent it from falling into enemy hands. The mushroom cloud is just due to the MAGNITUDE of the explosion - a large enough conventional explosion can create one.
"We need warships like floating iron castles
Our floating castles,
Shall defend all points of Imperial Japan."
- The Battleship March or something, idk.
The Japanese Navy, at the start of the war was quite advanced, but as time went on, it began to lag behind.
Likewise with the Army, very advanced at first but turning into a fanatic force of ragged men later on.
>>30450181
>literally invented one of the most powerful weapons currently devised
>used it twice, and turned two of Japanese cities into something resembling the surface of the sun
>"didn't win the tech war"
>>30450267
>marines
airsoft..
>>30438840
this irks me why is there the meme of the uboat rape machines while the us subs were arguably more effective and advanced (barring the shite torpedos)
>>30449565
>far ahead of the Allied navies
t. radar assisted gunnery
>>30451970
They were also much, much more bloodthirsty.
German UBoats did some warcrime-y shit, but no where near the savagery that American submarines did in the Pacifc.
>Sir, Japanese cargo vessel ahead
>Sink it
>Sir, it has no visible armament and no armed escorts
>SINK IT
Even fucking worse, the Americans would actually gun down survivors in the water. Now, not picking up survivors, I can understand, but fucking surfacing just to gun them down? That's fucked up.
>>30431878
>As far as their ground forces were concerned. They had the best WW1 Army, in WW2.
>>30452748
It's true, the Japs would have kicked ass if they had decided to have join Germany in WWI, rather than the Allies.
>>30431732
Easily the most incompetent and ineffectual force next to China. Severely underequipped, poorly led and poorly trained. Fucking Italy did better than them because at least they won battles unlike Japan who only won in their initial sucker punch after Pearl. The IJN was severly incompetant, with outdated doctrines and old ships and their airforce was equally primative and untrained. Had the US not did a Germany First policy, Japan would have folded by mid 1943 at best.
Put Italy in Japans situation and they would have fared much better.
>>30454704
>American Dead in Mediterranean
~51,000 Dead
>American Dead in Pacific
~82,000 Dead
Well
Would you look at that
>>30455565
Many little islands are more defendable than Italy
>>30454704
The Italians literally gave up during the invasion and were bailed out by the Germans. If anything Japan is what you get if you take Italy and make them fanatical devoted and suicidally overconfident.
Who had the best doctors experimenting on humans during the war? The US still have those documents locked up.
>>30455849
Many of the more troublesome islands could simply be (and in many cases were) bypassed, and Central Italy is actually a bitch to advance through.
>>30455849
Still there were more casualties on those little islands, even if some of them were bypassed.
>>30456058
Most casualties happened on big islands.
>>30452718
>>Sir, Japanese cargo vessel ahead
>>Sink it
>>Sir, it has no visible armament and no armed escorts
>>SINK IT
>Even fucking worse, the Americans would actually gun down survivors in the water. Now, not picking up survivors, I can understand, but fucking surfacing just to gun them down? That's fucked up.
If you think the Germans did none of these things on many instances, you're crazy. As far as machine gunning people in the water, the North Atlantic would kill them damn near as fast. Very few people that went in the water with no ship in sight came back out of the water, alive or otherwise. The SCS and westPAC is a bit different; people can survive for a long, long time. And when they do, they give up datum on when the sub was there, exactly what happened, exactly where, etc. All things that can get a sub killed.
It isn't pretty, and it isn't humanity at it's best. But it was often a tactical necessity, especially early in the war when putting as much tonnage on the bottom as possible while keeping US subs alive as long as possible to keep striking and keep the IJN off our back was absolutely paramount.
As far as war crimes? Every single participant in WWII committed them. All the developed world, pretty much. Dickwaving about who did the worst is pointless and juvenile.
>>30457129
>Dickwaving about who did the worst is pointless and juvenile.
So how many times have you stood up to defend the Nazis when people call them the worst?
Or is it just America you want to defend?
>>30457621
>So how many times have you stood up to defend the Nazis when people call them the worst?
I don't engage in those conversations. Not since high school. I usually just say X or Y was really morally repugnant and move on without trying to compare which moral cesspit is deeper. Not even philosophy or ethics majors navel gaze their way into that rat's warren. It's stupid and it serves no purpose outside of retarded nationalistic dickwaving about events that were long over before any of us were born. Learn what cogent lessons you can from the excesses of history, apply the lessons to your life going forward and leave the dick measuring to morons.
>>30457676
>Learn what cogent lessons you can from the excesses of history, apply the lessons to your life going forward and leave the dick measuring to morons.
Fucking preach it.
>>30457676
>I don't engage in those conversations.
And yet here you are.
Fucking get off the soapbox and look in a mirror, mate
>>30457723
>And yet here you are.
Debunking an absolute statement of breathtaking inaccuracy. Excuse me for insisting on historical accuracy and pointing out the tactical reason for the action beyond "durr muh murrica evil" memeing. Not comparing which acts or which cultures or which countries were more evil during WWII.
But I know you won't understand that distinction. Someday, once you've actually grown up a little, you might find the wisdom in looking at history with as much analytical dispassion as possible to see clearly what lessons might be there for you.
They had a sweet submachine gun
>>30457833
You haven't read Ronald Spector "Eagle against the Sun" if you actually think the American submarine force in the pacific wasn't more callous and cruel than the U-Boat force.
>>30455565
There were many, many more men deployed to the Pacific theater.
>>30445074
>>30445336
Japan.
They had competent leaders.
>>30457912
>You haven't read Ronald Spector "Eagle against the Sun" if you actually think the American submarine force in the pacific wasn't more callous and cruel than the U-Boat force.
One source, even a good peer reviewed one, does not a well-balanced and researched understanding make. As it happens, I have read Spector's excellent Eagle Against the Sun, and I have to say that you spectacularly missed the point. Spector's entire purpose for dwelling upon the violence of that theatre was not to paint any one combatant as "more savage" than any other in WWII. It was simply to illustrate how brutal that theatre was against the backdrop of a world almost completely desensitized to brutality for those years. Furthermore, I do not remember him making a single absolute comparative statement about the brutality of USN silent servicemen against the actions of U-boats in the North Atlantic. If you know of such a statement, I'd love for you to quote it for me so I can go dig my copy out of the garage and maybe learn something.
However, I suspect you're vaguely recalling a sense of brutality from an in-depth portrayal of the Pacific without a counter-balanced "Spector" take on the North Atlantic.
>>30458018
>Japan
>Competent leaders
>Get bogged down in a decade long war with China
>Treat the people of Asia awful, rather than treat them nicely and pretend to be the liberator of Asia from western colonialism
>GET IN A WAR WITH THE US
What?
>>30451986
You need to hit the books. Early in the war the IJN absolutely ravaged the Allies in night combat and in the Solomons it was a hell of a time before USN commanders could figure out how to properly use radar and formations in a night battle. Until then losses were heavy.
>>30461274
>Early in the war the IJN absolutely ravaged the Allies in night combat and in the Solomons
The night battles happened in the Guadalcanal campaign-Savo, Guadalnacal I & II, Cape Esperance, and Tassafaronga. Losses for the two sides were
>US
4 cruisers
1 destroyer
>Japan
2 battleships
2 cruisers
7 destroyers
You need to hit the books, weeb.
>>30431732
OP is a fag.
>>30457908
they made like 3 and didn't issue them till the end of the war.
>>30462064
Let's update the US losses to
>5 cruisers
>3 light cruisers
>5 destroyers
Still an absolute shitstomp by the US.
![[Hatsuyuki]_Kotoura-san_-_01_[BD][720p][6290A537].mp4_snapshot_21.39_[2016.03.19_09.42.05].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/jezCkrX.jpg "[Hatsuyuki]_Kotoura-san_-_01_[BD][720p][6290A537].mp4_snapshot_21.39_[2016.03.19_09.42.05].jpg")
>>30458018
>Japan.
>They had competent leaders.
>>30462064
Try not to be an absolute shithead. Every, and i do mean EVERY serious study on the naval war in the Pacific notes pre war Japanese night fighting training and tactics to be miles better than the Allies.
BTW you forgot the Battle of the Java sea.
>>30437438
holy shit, a Zero in flat color looks so ugly.
>>30459665
>>30462210
relatively compared to the Italians.
Italians couldn't defeat Ethiopia with out resorting to just gassing them all.
>>30451986
>radar assisted gunnery
To keep away from these things as much as possible.
>>30462375
>Try not to be an absolute shithead.
Try not to get everything wrong.
> Every, and i do mean EVERY serious study on the naval war in the Pacific notes pre war Japanese night fighting training and tactics to be miles better than the Allies.
That must be why they absolutely ravaged the USN in night battles, right?
>BTW you forgot the Battle of the Java sea.
Which happened in the afternoon.
Time to hit the books.
>>30462392
>Italians couldn't defeat Ethiopia with out resorting to just gassing them all.
At least they won.
Japan dropped the literal plague on China but still couldn't win.
>>30462797
>Which happened in the afternoon.
Are you fucking stupid or what? Can't wait for you kiddies to go back to school.
>>30462978
>The fleets sighted each other at about 16:00 on 27 February and closed to firing range, opening fire at 16:16. Both sides exhibited poor gunnery and torpedo skills during this phase of the battle.
wew lad
![USN-CN-JavaSea-10[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/tECMZWq.jpg "USN-CN-JavaSea-10[1].jpg")
>>30462978
>>30462990
>time to hit the books
>>30462990
"battle raged intermittently from mid-afternoon to midnight as the Allies tried to reach and attack the troop transports of the Java invasion fleet"
>>30463010
"Doorman's command, now reduced to four cruisers, again encountered the Japanese escort group at 23:00; both columns exchanged fire in the darkness at long range, until De Ruyter and Java were sunk, by one devastating torpedo salvo"
>>30463011
>>30463018
"Battle" ended in a couple of hours, then the ABD force was chased through the night. It's time to hit the books, dumbass.
>>30463032
"De Ruyter was hit by a single Type 93 torpedo fired by Haguro at about 23:30, and she sank at about 02:30"
>>30463032
HNLMS Java
"During the Battle of the Java Sea on 27 February 1942, she was sunk at 23:00 together with De Ruyter"
>>30463054
>Early in the war the IJN absolutely ravaged the Allies in night combat
>Battle of Java Sea happened at night because a retreating fleet was chased
What other gems do you have for us?
>>30463079
>>30463054
And Hiei sank at 1100. Doesn't make Guadalcanal a day battle.
>>30463080
You are too stupid for words.
>>30463133
Go ahead and explain how the IJN absolute ravaged the Allies in night combat despite losing more boats, being the only side to lose capital ships, losing more tonnage, and winning only 2 of 5 battles.
You really desperately want to count Java Sea as a night battle? Japan still loses big.
What do you say, cunt? Can you say anything that's not an ad hominem meant to deflect from your retardedness? Can you make a single argument to save yourself?
>>30457621
>So how many times have you stood up to defend the Nazis when people call them the worst?
When it comes to this specific instance Nimitz, of all people, defended Dönitz which allowed the latter to avoid death penalty and only go to jail for few years, NOT for unrestricted sub warfare.
>>30463193
To be perfectly honest, there were more death penalties give out at the end of the war than necessary
>>30462375
>EVERY serious study on the naval war in the Pacific notes pre war Japanese night fighting training and tactics to be miles better than the Allies
This is a meme. USN doctrine was quite similar to IJN doctrine when it comes to night battles. The only difference is that the IJN trained their men more on it than the USN. However, with effective use of radar, it nearly, if not completely, offset the advantage of the IJN which was their meticulously trained men in night fighting. Even if you count the Java Sea, the other night battles the Allies participated in showed that the Allies still performed better than their so called "elite night fighting geniuses" counterparts.
>>30465657
Brits were the only ones capable of performing carrier operations at night, so I would say the RN was the best night fighting outfit in early WW2. Taranto and Bismarck-hunt were both done at night.
>>30465721
Until Enterprise and Saratoga became specialized in performing carrier operations at night.
I totally love how Japan basically swept World War 2 under the carpet and pretend it never happened.
>>30465777
Dindu nuffin at all
>>30465777
No, no, no, they swept the years of 1943-1945 under the carpet.
You'll still see a bunch of shit of the "Glory Years' of 1931 to 1942.
That recent movie about the sinking of the Yamato was so amazing because it talked about an event outside of those years (though they still glorified the fuck outta it)
>>30465837
Well can't really make a movie about Hotel Yamato.
>>30452718
Anon, the Germans did the same.
>>30465777
It is a cultural thing for Japan.
You don't talk about your shame in Japan.
unlike the Germans. who can not stop apologizing for ww2, and destroying europe in an effort to prove they are not nazis.
>>30466097
All memes aside, German guilt for World War II is what's keeping Europe together right now.
>>30445074
Italy lost against ethiopia
>>30468059
...in my headcanon.
>>30465837
>Glorified
Well if by glorified you mean "almost everyone except the main character dies by being shot or gruesomely blown up and only shooting down like 9 planes in exchange".
>>30431732
>Army
Small arms were generally of high quality but the Army lacked the armor, artillery and mechanization that defined fighting in Europe.
Staff officers were generally competent at making and executing plans but the organizational culture prevented them from deviating from the plan when the situation changed, leading to unnecessary losses. Against the Chinese who never had much in the way of heavy equipment and second rate British colonial forces stripped of men and materiel for the fight in North Africa this proved enough. When faced by a revitalized British force in Burma and a Soviet attack in Manchuria it quickly folded.
Army Aviation was mediocre, lacking the heavy bombers and dedicated ground attack aircraft which made up large amounts of other nations air inventory. The quality of the fighter designs ranged from on par with 1941 Soviet aircraft to one roughly equivalent to a BF 109.
Across the board a lack of resources prevented serious rearming and modernizing.
>Navy
The cruisers where well designed for surface action and Japans carrier doctrine was ahead of its time. Everything else kinda sucked.
The battleships were mostly modernized WWI vintage, all lacked antiquate AAA even by Italian standards, most were to slow and/or fuel hungry to support operations across the reaches of the Pacific and the quality of armor and ammunition was below American or British standards. Even at it best all they could do was force the Royal Navy, depleted by years of grinding attrition in the Atlantic and Mediterranean, to withdrawal.
Destroyers were never available in the numbers needed and cruisers, loaded with torpedoes for surface action, were prone to catastrophic explosions.
The carriers managed to be the worst of both the American and British design philosophy, lacking the armored flight decks and structural integrity of the British carriers without gaining the massive open hanger spaces of the American ships.
Aircraft were okay but quickly obsolete.
>>30469863
Succinctly put
They though it was a good idea to put torpedoes on a tank.
Its not a good idea to put torpedoes on a tank.
>>30469602
I counted 15-ish planes shot down, which is 3 more than the entire Ten-Go task force and 3 times more than what could be attributed to the Yamato.
> Fury (an M4A3 which blows the fuck out of a historical tiger) kills a tiger
> FUCKING BURGER DIRECTORS, REEEEEEE
> Yamato shoots down 3 times more planes than it actually did
> not glorified
>>30473679
>3 more
5 more. 10 downed planes, 12 pilots killed.
>>30449483
The thing is the colonial troops had absolutely horrid training, morale, and equipment at the start of the war.
On a joint patrol in Iraq, you counted the number of Americans/Brits/Aussies/Poles, then subtract IA/IP to get the actual effective fighting force.
I don't think the British colonial troops weren't IA tier bad, but early on they were not very good troops.
>>30472329
It's ATGM guided by the fury of the sun god itself
>>30473679
I counted ~10 which is accurate.
>>30472329
Were those Long Lances? It's especially NOT a good idea to put Long Lances on a tank. Or on anything else.
>>30451090
The Navy still had some good ideas towards the end, they just didn't have the means to follow through. Could've used another hundred or so of pic related
>>30476383
Destroyers? That was their good idea, having destroyers?
>>30465901
You can't really make a movie about any japanese battleships as they mostly spent the war in their harbors. Except maybe Kongo who gets the dubious award for "performing the least terribly during the Battle of Samar"'
>>30476394
Battleships participated in many if not all of the major op s, including PH.
>>30465777
They bring it back up but only to lament on how they had the bombs dropped on them.
>>30476394
The naval battles around Guadalcanal would make for a pretty damn fine movie, for either country.
>dat night battle between Washington and SouDak VS Kirishima, Atago and Takao
>both sides fighting savagely and cleverly
>both sides having moments of spectacular SNAFU
>>30452718
So what? The Germans would have sunk it had it been an enemy vessel. What part of unrestricted submarine warfare do you not understand?
>>30467895
>Europe
>Together
>>30452718
it's always weird seeing ignorant fucks make posts like these
>>30476394
Kongou dess
Fucking Kancolle. I can't read anything about the IJN without my mind going straight to anime girls. Jesus christ.
>>30467895
>Europe
>together
didnt nippon wreak the british on bicycles ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Singapore
>>30452718
>Sir, Japanese cargo vessel ahead
>Sink it
>Sir, it has no visible armament and no armed escorts
>SINK IT
>Even fucking worse, the Americans would actually gun down survivors in the water. Now, not picking up survivors, I can understand, but fucking surfacing just to gun them down? That's fucked up.
>implying any of that is bad
The only good jap is a dead one
>>30477600
Having tanks and air superiority helped too, but sure, it was totally bicycles.
>>30477510
Kongou desune~~
>>30477533
>Brexit
>happening
>>30468335
>not knowing Italy fought 2 wars against Ethiopia
Ethiopia won the first war. Well, won in the same since that Finland won the Winter War. Ethiopia fought the Italians out and basically retained the same borders.
The second one they lost.
>>30477631
Anyone have the one about why America nuked Japan over the war crimes?
>>30476454
I'm surprised that there isn't more media about this. The naval battles of Guadalcanal were basically the biggest surface actions without carriers of the Pacific War.
>>30431732
Pretty shit desu.
Only did well because everyone else in the immediate vicinity was even worse.
>>30444692
Japs are absolutely insane. Even the Japanese-Americans in the 442nd regiment were utterly ruthless.
>>30480136
>The naval battles of Guadalcanal were basically the biggest surface actions without carriers of the Pacific War.
The only one off the top of my head that was bigger in the Pacific was Surigao Strait, and that was a pretty one sided faceraping. Guadalcanal was interesting all around. Newer technologies feeding new tactics, and then chaos when the new tech glitches, etc. Just an interesting story from a war history perspective.
>>30480057
>Ethiopia won the first war. Well, won in the same since that Finland won the Winter War. Ethiopia fought the Italians out and basically retained the same borders.
They won in the sense that they lost?
>>30478112
funny isn't it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhsmnyY2TaI
>>30480232
no wonder you're so retarded since you're a leave voter.
If you actually were aware of what the vote meant maybe you'd not act so stupid on anonymous tibetian basketweaving board
>>30457908
>tfw the Nip weapon firing sounds in Men of War
