>Prayers for those who deserve supplication
- Targeted the air force and artillery in the Syrian army positions and gatherings militants in Bani Zaid neighborhood in the city of Aleppo, which led to obtain withdrawals in the ranks of the insurgents from the neighborhood after taking such large numbers of dead and wounded.
- Fell a number of dead and wounded in the ranks of the militants after targeting the Syrian Air Force insurgent positions in Mallah farms and through Alcastelo city Huraytan Leiramon area in the countryside of the northern Aleppo.
- bombing Syrian air force and several Russian raids al Nasra Front and "Freedom movement Sham" in the sites Tel afflicting the village in the countryside of Aleppo , the north, in conjunction with the targeted militant positions in Kfaragom village in the countryside of Aleppo west.
- " The democratic forces of Syria , " seized control of the silos City Manbej located on the south side of the city in addition to the roundabout law west of the city in the countryside of Aleppo , the north - east after clashes with Daash, the center offers "forces" towards the city, and has a "silo" of strategic importance because of the high that would facilitate the process of controlling the Manbej location.
- killed 31 militants of the "democratic forces of Syria , " shot by a sniper organize Daash over the past four days Parties Manbej city in the countryside of Aleppo , the north - east.
- brought "democratic forces of Syria , " military reinforcements from the city of Qamishli in the countryside of northern Hasaka toward Aleppo east.
- denied Kurdish source news circulated by some of the sites and accounts of the gunmen and that talk about that "units of the Kurdish protection "prepares to withdraw and recruit girls for Afrin Zjhn city in the fighting north and east of the city of Aleppo. Stressing that the necessity of self - defense law applies only to males between the ages of 19 to 30 years, does not apply to females.
>>30398175
Yes there was a SAA offensive around Bani Zaid/Zahra early this morning. It started at 5 am when they moved into new areas then they were ambushed sometime later with about 56 pro SAA forces killed, 18 of those were Liwa Al Qud fighters.
I rustled up some video of the turkey shoot with these guys missing their shots on runners although they have another video of the dead in the aftermath of this that isn't youtube safe. They hit some of them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=uHyn2XrtwUA
Pro rebel sources claim YPG in Afrin have agreed on a joint SAA/YPG Aleppo offesinve coming soon. That'll be another shitstorm.
why didn't ISIS take the shaer gas fields last year when they had Palmyra? Why would they wait until after the SAA/Russians had recaptured Palmyra to take the shaer gas fields?
>>30398615
This question is right up my alley. IS prepped their back up bases on the Hama/Homs border region when the Russians first entered the war secretly.
The area near Shaer gas field was kept quiet to allow them time to stockpile, dig their underground tunnels in peace while fighting on other fronts. They didn't expose this base area until after they lost Palmyra. This is also why they have had much greater success in eastern Homs than in places like northern Aleppo.
>>30398654
do you think they have a chance of seizing Salamiyeh city or retaking Palmyra? Or do you think they'll restrict themselves to raiding?
>>30398677
I doubt retaking Palmyra but they can annoy the shit out of the SAA/Russians there. They know the Russians can't allow Palmyra to fall. Not after their classical music concert, new base and everything. This allows IS to pin them down.
Every Syrian government held town in eastern Homs is in trouble. They can't root IS out.
>>30398558
It looks like there is quite a distance between rebels and SAA. Also God knows how many of those guys got hit and just kept running, after all adrenalin is hell of a drug.
>>30398677
No chance, even during the retreat from Raqqa RuAF kept its helos flying around Palmyra instead of sending them north to back up SAA.
>>30398761
what a clusterfuck, and to think how they were yammering on about how they would relieve Deir Ezzor almost immediately after they captured Palmyra.
Deir Ezzor probably will end up falling inevitably because the SAA can't get their shit together.
Dagestani near Aleppo.
The Caucasus guys always seem to have the flashiest guns.
>>30398978
Lace up your fucking boots
ISIS 2 man SVBIED.
>>30398988
They have the most money and are often also the best soldiers, since they're often veterans against Russia and they don't have the meme-arab culture "allah will guide the bullet" mentality.
>>30398997
Using a MT-LB as VBIED, isn't that kind of expensive/wasting?
>>30399006
are there Chechens in Syria?
>>30398988
what's with jihadis and sandals?
>>30399020
Tons of them, they are ISIS's most elite soldiers (also the most loyal).
And also, this:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurgency_in_the_North_Caucasus
Dagestanis are often veterans too.
>>30398175
WHAT ARE YOU NIGGERS TALKING ABOUT.
THE LIBERATION OF ALLEPO HAS STARTED
>>30399038
Wait I thought they were on Russia's side now? Like how they used them in Ukraine.
>>30399052
>people can't take different sides
>>30399016
I don't think they paid much for it.
>>30398952
Of course. I was amused at the Russian Palmyra concert back then knowing the Russians just put their stakes down near a IS area they had no idea was still fully intact(I was less laughing and more shocked they would think this was a good idea). Now they have to watch the SAA get picked apart in front of their eyes.
Video is IS taking a SAA checkpoint near Palmyra yesterday. Ruaf surely responded after the fact.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfR1m4aiPBA&feature=youtu.be
>>30399052
Chechnya's situation is weird. They have a warlord-based culture.
In the 2000's, Putin decided to buy out the biggest warlord, Kadyrov, and make him president. He keeps the other warlords under his thumb and makes Putin's job easier.
But not everyone supports him, and Chechnya has the highest jihadists per capita in the world.
>>30398558
>joint SAA/YPG Aleppo offesinve coming soon
HHHNNNNNNNNNNG
...but seriously, its afrin canton...i wouldnt get my hopes up, these fuckers are the SAA equivalent of the kurds. ISIS on full retreat everywhere in northern aleppo (cause manbij) and wow, just a few damn villages captured
>>30399042
don't get my hopes up senpai
>>30398175
>killed 31 militants of the "democratic forces of Syria , " shot by a sniper organize Daash over the past four days Parties Manbej city
That's interesting, Manbij is partially becoming some bloody sniper battle, the Kurdish sources are talking about a YPG female sniper that already killed some 3 ISIS snipers, but that could be only propaganda.
The greatest doubt with Manbij is if ISIS is fighting hard to try buy some time until reinforces could reach them or if they are only doing a last stand with city and trying to kill the greatest number of enemies until it falls.
>>30398558
When I seen this video, the first thing that passed through my mind was those scenes from wild life documentaries, where a migratory herd passes running in line through a water stream. Poor Quds, the only thing they done recently is being used as cannon fodder by the SAA and reatring en masse under fire.
>Pro rebel sources claim YPG in Afrin have agreed on a joint SAA/YPG Aleppo offesinve coming soon. That'll be another shitstorm.
A joint offensive seems quite unlikely, as I personally can't see the SAA and YPG cooperating that well and coordinating attacks. Maybe just two simultaneous assaults?
Old thread:
http://boards.4chan.org/k/thread/30353603/middle-east-thread-saa-was-never-good-edition#top
>>30399180
>YPG female sniper that already killed some 3 ISIS snipers
sounds like horseshit desu, probably just a female fighter "claiming" to have killed 3 isis snipers
>>30399197
I agree with you, mostly because the kurdish twitter guys/girls are full of propaganda, even if generally very trustworthy.
>>30399180
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydRlFZr0fg4
Here is a video from Manbij silos today where they say they have captured it. I am not sure they captured the whole thing. Looks like in the video they are still taking fire.
IS is officially screwed in Manbij but I think they can make it bloody so the YPG/SDF/US SF are still trying to soften them up.
Fallujah
>>30399020
>are there Chechens in Syria?
During the latest years, its become hard to do proper jihad in Chechnya, you know, short life expectancy and all that, so they go where its easier to do so.
>>30399582
>>30399593
>>30399603
>>30399610
>>30399627
>>30399666
>>30399603
Why do ayyrabs feel the need to paint and nigger up every single vehicle that they get their hands on
>>30399678
>>30399588
Its got more to do with lack of heavy weapons in Chechnya than the ability of Kadirov or FSB to hunt them down. All they can do in Chechnya is stay in the mountains and shoot up patrols, ambush light SF teams that go to far into the mountains. Syria simply offers much more for any up and coming Jihadist, more weapons, more money, more respect and more women.
>>30399689
I assume they come black. They do the flags cause they are super patriotic/religious, but also for unit identification.
>>30399704
They still have weapons, the problem for them is that they mostly lost local support. And living in the mountains, especially during winter is not fun.
Hence they try not to.
Why in the holy fuck aren't the Russians using CAS near Palmyra? It's a single road through the middle of the desert with no urban buildup or cover or caves or tunnels. It should be the absolute, most opportune place to use helo's and other CAS. It should be a freaking turkey shoot.
>>30399689
It's to tell which unit they're from. Black is ISOF, Dark blue with the white "stars" are Police.
ISIS has also captured a bunch of humvees and they're mostly tan
>>30398994
I don't think he's even wearing socks.
>>30399016
Despite the propaganda pieces that they show off, IS usually has more trouble maintaining heavy armor in the long run than anyone else, so they may as well dispose of them as moving bombs when their reliability starts to falter.
>>30399117
>>30399038
thanks I didn't know shit about the current Chechnya situation now I'm intrigued
are they there to actually support ISIS or do they just want to kill Russians? Both?
>>30399927
A lot of them joined ISIS with several of their commanders, but a lot of them also remained loyal to AQ central and are with Nusra. They were there before the Russians, there were reports that FSB was helping them leave Chechnya for Syria.
>>30399927
They just want to fight in the name of radical islam, killing wherever they go
Chechens have shown up in Iraq and Afghanistan before ISIS was a thing
>>30398796
i always assume soldiers are hopped up on amphetamines and pain killers
>>30400065
Not poor soldiers/militiamen from almost broken countries.
>>30400201
yeah, that makes sense
>>30400201
Those guys are hopped up on whatever drugs are cultivated in the area.
It is a rare combat zone that doesn't have people taking advantage of the chaos to get into the narcotics game.
>>30400250
there was a vice article that talked about how drugs and war go hand in hand since the beginning
>>30398978
Delete this.
>>30399280
Oh and late hey to you after coming back 2 weeks later.
Slow time in the mid east so things to watch for tomorrow...
>>30402227
Manbij -YPG/SDF plus numerous western SF and US bombers have the place surrounded, are slowing chipping away toward the city while IS has had just enough time to put up a legit last stand. I am watching if IS can continue to absorb US airstrikes while holding out or will the YPG fold them with their urban warfare skills and the best air force in the world.
Fallujah-well I lost track of that one didn't I. Similar situation here on a much grander scale filled with Iraqi general battle reports I don't believe, some serious Iraqi forces progress and IS forces still holding out.
>>30402287
Southern Aleppo- When will Jaf go for Al Hadher? Every step Jaf/JAN takes has been planned in advance to the grim reality pro Iranian/Hezbhollah fans face of a much larger and well organized enemy than they thought and the very last of the major Shia/SAA forces stongholds left in the crosshairs.
Both Ghoutas-The SAA keeping pressure on both right now. Pro SAA map released but I don't have it. I haven't been posting any maps yet anyway.
On that note Deir Ezzor as the SAA still hangs in there retaking Mt. Thardah and getting reinforcements. Great defensive stands by the SAA but as anon said early none of it matters. It's obvious IS can't close the deal but given enough time they can.
Eastern Homs- IS on the prowel since taking Shaer and retaking Huwaysis. Russians starting to take a more active role in this areas defence.My choice for most excting battle front with IS and Russian armed forces right next to each other.
>>30402504
Northern Aleppo- ping pong championship match between IS and the FSA
Northern Homs pocket -rebels on the move again
Ithriya/entire SAA supply line/Khanser to Aleppo- IS closed it down before and they will try to do it again.
Done, just posting to bump thread.
>>30402609
Lastly IS has released a video of executing a man with his own laptop. Sometimes I feel this way on mine...bad joke I know.
https://twitter.com/ShamiRebel/status/746841541709201408
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDHuVwkdLQ
>>30398952
>how they were yammering on about how they would relieve Deir Ezzor almost immediately after they captured Palmyra.
Who?
>>30399789
Because it's not that simple.
>>30402609
>Ithriya/entire SAA supply line/Khanser to Aleppo- IS closed it down before and they will try to do it again.
Any maps?
>>30403124
why isn't it simple? im not disagreeing with you or anything, i just would like to know the reason behind your thinking.
>>30403087
All the pros, they were so happy after Palmyra they figured saving Deir Ezzor was next. Even I thought the SAA would give it a good try.
>>30403141
It's easy to see on livemap or something as it's the only Syrian government land route into Aleppo
>>30403465
I see what you are saying but the Ruaf simply doesn't have enough aircraft besides IS are good at moving around in just small enough groups to make a airstrike not worth it and than forming up into larger groups before they attack.
They are the most heavily bombed terrorist group in the world. They know a thing or two on how to avoid airstrikes.
>>30398558
Breaking of round 2 with pro SAA forces on the offensive in Aleppo tonight going on now.
>>30399180
my money would be on the later, ISIS has shown limited attempts to get to the city and lack the strength in Aleppo to make such an assault without exposing Deir Ez-Zor or Raqqa.
msm in france is saying fallujah has been liberated
can anyone confirm
>>30407492
again? didn't they liberate it a week ago? or was it 2 weeks?
>>30399689
i'm just surprised they don't go infor red gofasta stripes.
>>30399689
There's probably a point that you don't see. It would have been gone after 5 years of war if it didn't serve a purpose.
>>30399966
>Chechens have shown up in Iraq and Afghanistan before ISIS was a thing
Spot the stupid American. There were no Chechens among the Iraqi resistance.
>>30407612
no they said they liberated the city when they capped the central district aka the governers building (just like they did in ramadi). Now the actual city is capped, but still IS in some surrounding areas (just like ramadi again)
>>30399582
> Saturday night fever
>>30407711
Yeah but now they have no major stronghold nearby, Ramadi was only a problem because ISIS operated out of Fallujah
Some real quick updates:
>Ramliyah recaptured by SAA/NDF after being abandoned yesterday
>SAA makes minor advances in Northern allepo by taking the al-Asamat area in Al-Mallah Farms, this is actually pretty big in the micro-managing world that is the Aleppo battle.
>SDF/YPG clashing with ISIS to the north of Manbij, this comes after yesterday the SDF captured the Silos and roundabout to the south of the city
So, Fallujah has fallen as well. Thats all the ISIS heartland in Anbar more or less taken. I really thought this would be the one final massive battle, dwarfing Mosul or Raqqa. They kept retreating out of all these smaller middle sized towns to Fallujah, just to give the town away like that.
It also means, that finally the >MosulNext meme might approach at last. There is still Hawijah left, which I guess will be taken in autumn. Not so sure how they will go with Tal Afar: Taking it before Mosul to further isolate the city from Syria or hoping it will fall in the aftermatch of the fall of Mosul.
To the south of Mosul there are also the two sizeable towns of Sharkat and Qaiyyara on the provincial border with a large military base in there. I dont know if they will be assaulted in a separate push or in one ongoing offensive into Mosul (kinda like Garma or Saqlawiyah in the Fallujah offensive, though the former are of course a bit larger)
Nothing much else left in Iraq (apart from shit tons of jihadis hiding in the rural areas and the general sunni-shia and arab-kurd tensions)
>>30408500
Also, in case ISIS is truly kicked out of all the iraqi towns -and mind you, thats still a long way unless they keep collapsing- I wonder what will happen to the multiple tens of thousands of shia militias who suddenly have nothing to do anymore apart from shitty counter insurgency?
Taking Kirkuk back from the Kurds?
Going into Syria, down the euphrates into Deir az Zour? I can imagine they would want to push ISIS further away from the border, so a larger offensive that would also obviously greatly help the allied Assad government is quite a possibility.
Bring down the Baghdad government to replace it with a hardcore shia, even more iranian puppet government (Badr has already though aloud of this possibility and they are the most powerful shia militia right now)
>>30408546
I would imagine most of the PMU units would go home. It's not like they dont have lives outside of combat. They are just a militia after all.
>>30408500
to be fair, it was a month long battle with overwhelming numbers and air support.
>>30408565
Some of them, sure. But some have become extremely powerful and popular through the war, there is no way that they will just disappear. Especially with ISIS still being well in syria.
>>30408609
The first weeks were on the outskirts. The last 1,5 after the initial victory proclamation were just ISIS holdouts. ISIS itself has admitted that they didnt fought for the city at large and retreated with their main power.
We dont have reliable numbers, but it was definitely unbloodier then Ramadi or Tikrit and this despite having far more popular support and time to entrench.
>with overwhelming numbers and air support.
Yeah sure. But that wont change. And the fewer towns remain, the more the iraqi troops+militia can keep concentrating their forces.
If they know that they have no change to hold a city, then why dont just switch completely to insurgency mode? I though that was the lesson of the iraqi insurgency after Fallujah II in 2004, that its impossible to hold a town against a direct US attack no matter the preparation time or number of defenders; and they never again tried to hold larger towns if I remember rightly.
>>30404072
>All the pros,
Were saying "we'll now relieve Dier immediately"?
Because that's a lie.
>>30408669
>We dont have reliable numbers, but it was definitely unbloodier then Ramadi or Tikrit and this despite having far more popular support and time to entrench.
This is simply wrong.
Over 600 Iraqis have died at Fallujah. That's the most since Ramadi fell in 2015.
>>30408669
It was bloody as hell, with somewhere around 1,500 isis members dying and 500 iraqi's dying, and ISIS has learned that retreating into civilian areas is a good tactic for not getting immediately assploded by airstrikes while inflicting maximum casualties by just leaving an IED behind every rock and inside ever crevice. They're undermanned at the present, and were completely surrounded, they knew the city would fall they just needed iraq to bleed as much as possible.
>>30408703
I think it's somewhere in the 2000 dead iraqis and up range
judging how they were regular losing 100 men a day it could well be a lot higher than that
>>30408737
to be fair lost can mean wounded as well, especially when being translated over several twitter accounts reporting news halfway around the world/
>>30408703
>This is simply wrong.
Why? Both Ramadi and Tikrit had at least two times the numbers that you cited for Fallujah.
>>30408766
no
the figures for 100 men a day specified that they were only for those who were killed. The number of wounded goes into the many thousands. I remember a source in Baghdad mentioning that after the first week of the offensive they already had over a thousand wounded.
Most of the fighters who perished were hashd al shaabi grunts and iraqi army soldiers. The counter terrorist elites were only used in the city clearing.
This was an extremely costly battle for the iraqis, they managed to liberate Fallujah but at great price in lives and material.
>>30408727
>3:1 casualty rate for the defender in an urban battle
I dont think so, Ahmed.
>>30408766
>>30408811
>>30408822
All of the dubs during the last posts.
Read the reuters article on the capture of Fallujah.
>At least 1,800 Islamic State fighters were killed in the operation to retake Falluja and the rest had fled, he said.
That's more IS then I thought were in there
>Daesh (another name for Islamic State) worked to brainwash people and we need serious programs by the international community to help people get rid of Daesh's deviant ideologies and restore their normal life."
>Daesh (another name for Islamic State) worked to brainwash people
So they literally need reeducation camps, got it.
But seriously great victory for the Shia militias, Iraqi government and US on pushing IS away from their stronghold here.
>>30408679
So what were you saying post Palmyra back then if you so angry about the speculated Deir push that never happened?
>>30408884
Sorry link here
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-iraq-falluja-idUSKCN0ZC08J
>>30407805
All good updates , not much has changed since you posted.
>>30408898
>the general commanding the operation declared
>Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi claimed
>Lieutenant General Abdul Wahab al-Saidi told state TV.....Saidi said ........he said.
>army Colonel Ahmed al-Saidi described ........he said by telephone
>Sabah al-Numani, a spokesman for the counter-terrorism forces told Reuters .........Numani said.
>Defence Minister Khalid al-Obeidi said
Nice, how the whole article are just iraqi military proclamations. I mean sure, they won, but how much value have some army bulletins that they killed a million isis fighters while losing one iraqi with a sprained ankle. And that the only way anyone could think anything bad about the shia government had to be brainwashing.
>>30408898
you're back!
if everything goes well on my end i'll be able to shitpost more often and will have more time to research.
>>30409045
Yep and I got some catching up to do. My obsession with eastern Homs IS tactics still has me dead on with this front after a 2 odd week hiatus. Also Deir Ezzor. I listen to everyone else after that.
Last post for a while.
-Continued fighting on Mallah farms after the Ruaf brought the hammer down. SAA forces are locked in combat there. This is big. Who knew a fucking farm would be the biggest battle for Aleppo city.
-Eastern Homs with another IS raid around Qarytayn and airstrikes, fighting near Shaer
-Heavy US airstrikes on the silo area of Manbij as YPG/SDF are bumping into ISs last stand lines.
>>30409154
>Heavy US airstrikes on the silo area of Manbi
Havent they taken that one already? Kurdish media is proclaiming the silos captured almost on a daily basis for weeks now.
>>30409179
taking the silo doesn't necessarily mean that the surrounding area has been cleared. Plus the counterattack by ISIL during the sandstorm had one spear focus on the silo, which in a sense was contested territory.
>>30409179
I think it's the perimeter not the silos. YPG is probably worried about a counter attack there.
>>30402227
Always good to see you back, too.
>>30409179
Yesterday, there reports that ISIS had just retaken the silos.
>#اوقفوا_ارهاب_روسيا
My mom needs to see me post it again
Apparently Basher Al Assad toured Marj al Sultan Airport area today. He had breakfast with the solders and toured SAA points around the area.
heres some more pictures
>>30409462
Batman?
I'm in Afghanistan right now working with some SF guys
IS has moved into Afghanistan both from Pakistan and Iraq and they're tearing the ANA up pretty fucking hard.
Also the Taliban is at its peak right now since before the US invaded. They're pretty much on our side against IS so they're standing by letting the ANA do their shit before they really move to attack.
>>30398997
>2 man SVBIED
>wasting 2 halfway trained humans just to deliver 1 bomb
... this is so stupid, I'm at a loss for words. At least ISIS doesn't pay SGLI.
>>30411122
I mean theoretically the passenger could bail right before if it was an urban area. Then they could hide in a building and suicide vest any crowd that might gather.
>Cooking with Mahmoud
https://twitter.com/bm21_grad/status/747169939564396544
Anyone know any good twitter accounts or other sources of news in syria and iraq?
>>30410777
JAI had a BBQ today in eastern Ghouta with a Saaf helicopter
https://twitter.com/Paradoxy13/status/747179631200116736
No pictures yet
>>30410964
>Taliban now on the American side.
Sound ludicrous as fuck, but if this is true, it's amazing how things changed dramatically in 5 years.
There are reports that the Rebels shot down an SAA helicopter in East Ghouta. JaI claimed that they did it using their SA-8 Gecko (9K33 Osa).
The one in the pic.
As was already posted, Bashar was visiting troops in Marj al Sultan, east Ghouta. So, imagine if...
>>30412001
https://twitter.com/Jeremiija/lists/syria
>>30412044
It's hardly surprising. What the Taliban is doing is pretty much be an alliance of convenience. They and their AQ allies have some bad blood with IS affiliates; squabbles with the ANA would only leave their turf ripe for the taking by IS.
Once the IS threat is gone they'll just go back to fighting the ANA, as they always have been.
>>30412126
those eyebrows
>>30411488
pretty fucin /out/ right there
![vpVRsqZ[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/PP1Ucq9.gif "vpVRsqZ[1].gif")
>>30412248
I want to lick her face
>In a speech at the Herzliya Conference, Israel’s military intelligence chief, Major General Herzi Halevy, took Israel’s long-standing position that it “prefers ISIS” over the Syrian government to a whole ‘nother level, declaring openly that Israel does not want to see ISIS defeated in the war.
http://news.antiwar.com/2016/06/21/israeli-intel-chief-we-dont-want-isis-defeated-in-syria/
>>30412406
i just read that article, is that shit for real?
>>30412436
Can you paste?
>not clicking that.
>AMMAN, Jordan — Weapons shipped into Jordan by the Central Intelligence Agency and Saudi Arabia intended for Syrian rebels have been systematically stolen by Jordanian intelligence operatives and sold to arms merchants on the black market, according to American and Jordanian officials.
>Some of the stolen weapons were used in a shooting in November that killed two Americans and three others at a police training facility in Amman, F.B.I. officials believe after months of investigating the attack, according to people familiar with the investigation.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/27/world/middleeast/cia-arms-for-syrian-rebels-supplied-black-market-officials-say.html?_r=0
>>30412469
>In a speech at the Herzliya Conference, Israel’s military intelligence chief, Major General Herzi Halevy, took Israel’s long-standing position that it “prefers ISIS” over the Syrian government to a whole ‘nother level, declaring openly that Israel does not want to see ISIS defeated in the war.
>Quoted in the Hebrew-language NRG site, linked to Maariv, Maj. Gen. Halevy expressed concern about the recent offensives against ISIS territory, saying that in the last three months the Islamist group was facing the “most difficult” situation since its inception and declaration of a caliphate.
>Israeli officials have regularly expressed comfort with the idea of ISIS conquering the whole of Syria, saying they find it preferable to the Iran-allied government surviving the war. At the same time, they were never so overtly supportive of ISIS and its survival.
>Halevy went on to express concern that the defeat of ISIS might mean the “superpowers” leaving Syria, saying this would put Israel “in a hard position” after being so opposed to the survival of the Syrian government.
>He then said Israel will do “all we can so as to not find ourselves in such a situation,” suggesting that the Israeli military is looking at direct support for ISIS as a matter of policy, and not just rhetoric.
>>30412085
Video of the shot down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq1KWfslg6s
Where the fuck would this guy get an Ops Core Maritime from?
>>30413061
Probably the same place he got that missile from.
>>30413070
The more I think about it, there's probably an advisor somewhere off camera. The stinger is brand new with foam all over it, he probably just let the dude wear it for safety reasons?
>>30413061
Iraqi Kurdistan's Peshmerga get directly supplied weapons and gear from Germany, France, UK and US
Or is that a TOW missile?
>>30413093
>stinger
>>30413104
>>30413389
It's a Javelin
>>30408822
>I don't know what airstrikes are: the post
>>30399689
>>30407689
I noticed a lot of the newer equipment in Iraq has unit specific camoflauge which can serve many purposes such as:
> Security - so a random tan IS humvee VBIED doesnt just slip in a convoy of other tan humvees and so you can fight in different landcovers
> Keeping track of assets so you know if IS captured a vehicle or if the PMUs bribed/stole army equipment
> Morale - if all your equipment up to the vehicle towing the porta john is the same camo, soldiers will feel like they are part of an actual army and not just a random mob
> Gives the Iraqi people a sense of order, and establishes unit lore/spirit as units become distinguishable, attracting recruits
Syria/Iraq III might be the last war in which the combatants on all sides have developed indigenous equipment, rigorous organization andeffective camo. War between industrialized powers will just suck because everything is done with sensors and automatic.
Incredible good footage by some group touring Fallujah in the aftermath of the city being declared captured today. A full 13 mins of blown up buildings, Shia militia/ISF humvees driving around and some gunfire indicating possible IS holdouts in some sections.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=598wAdBXmj0&feature=share
>>30408812
>Most of the fighters who perished were hashd al shaabi grunts and iraqi army soldiers. The counter terrorist elites were only used in the city clearing.
I have a feeling that Abadi launched the operation on Fallujah with the poorly trained Hashd at the onset in order to bleed them out, while reserving his best forces for the actual city clearing. Abadi (and the US) would rather the
Hashd stay out of the picture politically and militarily as they are a growing threat, but he needs them as cannon fodder to avoid burning his better SOF and fledgling US trained Iraqi Army units.
The Hashd loves to be in the spotlight and most of the media and twitter accounts in Iraq report on the Hashd constantly while only a few follow just the IA proper. Typical of militias in this war, you can count on there being plenty of media showing the Hashd standing next to dead ISIS members with their sectarian flag, but very little of them actually fighting or doing anything tactical. Lots of footage of them standing in a convoy or standing up magdumping for the camera, wasting a belt/barrel so they can feel awesome but not doing anything to hurt ISIS. What is worse is the Hashd often bribes the IA to "share" tanks and equipment, so you end up with Kataib Hezbollah showing off their Abrams in a propaganda shoot while not actually using it in a tactically appropriate way, then bitch in Iranian media spheres that the US led Iraqi Army is "undermining" the Hashd's "offensive". The US has even offered to help train the Hashd but the big groups still have a hate boner for the US which really sucks for them cause the US is now giving the IA the really good shit, like the M-ATV and decent training.
Somehow, Iraq is beating ISIS now, which is awesome, but I find it hard to believe the Hashd has any value as an offensive force besides cannon fodder and local defense. Great for morale, but terrible for a replacement for a national army.
>>30412761
The article you quotes oversimplifies the situation to insinuate Israel's alleged support for ISIS. Israel's strategy is to be proactive and is entirely a matter of what comes after ISIS is defeated and the resulting balance of power in this intractable civil war. ISIS is no friend of Israel, and they would do terrible things if they weren't busy getting their shit pushed in on all fronts. The truth is, ISIS poses little real threat to Israel now and Israel is more focused on preventing Iranian proxies from getting huge arsenals near the border. This might piss off the politically ignorant "America/Israel did ISIS" (who think ISIS is the be all and end all of this conflict) and of course, Hezboos, but Israel has bigger concerns and is looking towards the next big threat. ISIS isn't a true threat for Israel, but a Hezbollah with billions of dollars worth of the latest Russian/Iranian weaponry is. Fighting Hezb does not make Israel an ally to ISIS, the IDF has literally bombed everyone in this conflict as some point, no matter what the article allegedly implies or how much Zionists trigger your fee fees.
Contrary to popular belief, Israel and Assad were on good terms, as the SAA was predictable for the IDF and Assad knew the IDF could have taken Damascus in 73 had the war not ended.
Israel would rather the Rebels control the Golan and are trying to bring goodwill by providing medical and food aid to civilians/fighters, and are hoping ISIS in the Sinai makes a move on Gaza so Israel will have a casus belli to go full retard there and hopefully retake the Sinai Six Day War style.
>>30416481
meh it was a given isis would leave behind some "martyrs" to snipe a few nigs.
>>30416700
Im afraid storming the city was the easy part, now they have to pacify the city and that is going to take years and keep a lot of Iraqi forces from participating in the Mosul offensive. Meanwhile, tens of thousands of Fallujans are without shelter as the refugee camps set up were not prepared. The aftermath is going to be ugly.
whats up with this guy?
>>30399582
>No ear pro
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>30416699
I see
i am pretty ignorant to how israel's relationship is with the middle east and thats why i posted the whole article. im glad for you're insight.
i totally understand their concerns abotu pro iranian forces being so close to their borders.
>>30416873
hot damn, lol.
>>30416859
no fucking idea, considering how we cant see any faces or any type of identifying features.
>>30416937
dude has 200 dollar shoes and 400 dollar pants on...
>>30416981
soooo SOF?
That or a volunteer that wants to be opsec and has some money in his bank account. Most likely the latter because it appears hes wearing a different set of camo from that of the gunner (who is using that beaut of a choco-chip) and he's using a G-36. So he's very likely a volunteer with the Kurds
>>30413439
the CLU isn't from a Javelin
Reports that SDF have advanced north of the silos in Manbij, killing 16 as well as 26 toward the northern entrance of the city. This all could be hyperbole but i wouldn't doubt that the kurds are making gain, so take it with a grain of salt.
Although there are plenty of reports of civilians providing kurds with information about isis positions so that does give them a leg up.
>>30413061
granades on his chest?
>>30418058
Only problem is they making these gains in exactly the same spot, that they have gained over and over during the last week.
>>30418161
Well it's been proven they hold up to the first roundabout to the west, and a bit past the silos to the south. So saying they've killed some people in the north isnt news of making gains and have advanced north of the silos is new and they haven't made claims officially of any major landmarks north of the silos nor from Kurdistan24 or ANHA. No clue where you've been hearing anything but i've been watching manbij closely and it's the first i've heard of it.
>>30412406
What? He never said any of this. Your source is BS man.
He was talking about Hezbollah and how (and why) it doesn't seek direct confrontation with Israel right now, how Hezbollah and Hamas still direct the better part of their resources to prepare to war with Israel and how the Syrian government supplies Hezbollah with weaponry specifically meant to be used against Israel instead of in the war in Syria (and "implying" we can hear on the news about how this weapons are getting blown up from time by unidentified jets).
He was talking about the effect that economics and religion have on the middle east, and how the wars are no longer a fight between few armies separated into good and bad guys, but instead a cluster of interests where "my enemies enemy is my friend but also my enemy, and my enemy is also my friend".
Barely mentioned ISIS by name, cause he focused on the strategic aspects of war, while he sees ISIS as more of an tactical influence on what's going on.
> Source: I've been in the Herzliya Conference.
>>30418203
why were you there?
And well actually, that's what i thought. you just can't believe most sources when it comes to Israel.
>>30418203
>"my enemies enemy is my friend but also my enemy, and my enemy is also my friend"
That's a helluva way of describing it.
Reports that JAI shot down a Mig-29 near damascus, could be bullshit but this could be a a fairly substantial loss.
>>30418237
>>30412085
Is this about the same event or has Jaysh got their hands on some sweet new ammunition?
Also, does anyone have information how their mini war with the other Ghouta rebels are going? Or have they come to their senses that they have more pressing concerns right now?
Big Surprise:
ISIS captures Baragheda as well as several other villages from the FSA.
Pic related
>>30418313
I thought the infighting ceased for now
>>30418333
>FSA
Why are they so incompetent.
>>30418510
>sandniggers backed by turkey
There
Mallah battle farms update. Heavy fighting ongoing as the SAA has taken about half of the farm area. About the same as yesterday actually.
Another jet has been shot down by JAIs SA-8 gecko. Pro SAA sources claim it was a Mig-23 downed and not a Mig-29 claimed by JAI. This happened near Al-Seen airbase.
Last I read on the copter it made it back to base safely from pro SAA sources but this Mig has been confirmed down by both sides.
If the video has been posted I didn't check so here is JAIs SA-8.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlSlMmmYB0E
You bet the SAA/Ruskies are trying to locate this thing ASAP.
>>30418559
Interesting they held off so long with firing that. They only got so many missiles, I had thought the last time they shot 3 In a row that was their missiles exhausted.
>>30418944
Also interesting to note, jaish al Islam showed that they infact have two Osa's, one is in the qalamoon region. And, early on in the Russian intervention the Russians claimed they bombed and destroyed the Osa, clearly they didn't...
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36643435
Apparently Erdogan apologized for shooting down the Su-24 in november
maybe they are desperate after the huge drop in tourism and need russian tourists
>>30419093
have the russian sanctions really affected turkey's economy?
>>30419124
mainly it's the missing tourists, no more Russians. Also there's almost no more tourists from Europe, since Turkey declared war on the Kurds and ISIS is targeting tourists in the cities.
>>30419124
the turkish tourism industry is doing very badly and the second largest group (3.5 million in 2014). Also westerners aren't to keen on vacationing in Turkey as it's seen a lot of terrorist attacks lately
maybe even other sanction imposed by russia are affecting the food industry and farmers won't have a good market on which to sell their fruits and vegetables if the sanctions are maintained
really weird for Erdogan to do this and i guess he is afraid he might lose support
>>30418208
Was in the region because I visited a friend and he told me that he can get me in since he knows that I get a boner for all things military.
The point of this conferences is being open to the public. It's just that the # of sits is limited.
There were more speekers: different MoD dudes and lower ranking military officers talking about geopolitical shifts and about thought processes.
>>30418232
> Welcome to the Middle East
> Now git out
A bit outdated now, but the concept still works:
"Sir, Iran is backing Assad. Gulf states are against Assad.
Assad is against Muslim Brotherhood. Muslim Brotherhood and Obama are against General Sisi.
But Gulf states are pro Sisi. Which means they are against Muslim Brotherhood.
Iran is pro Hamas, but Hamas is backing Muslim Brotherhood.
Obama is backing Muslim Brotherhood, yet Hamas is against the US.
Gulf states are pro US. But Turkey is with Gulf states against Assad; yet Turkey is pro Muslim Brotherhood against General Sisi. And General Sisi is being backed by the Gulf states.
Welcome to the Middle East and have a nice day."
> And everybody hates Israel
> Except Micronesia. For some odd reason.
>>30419268
*russians were the second largest group
even the lifting of sanctions won't bring huge numbers of russians (they lack currency after the ruble tool a dive) unless the prices go down too
>>30419187
There are pretty much no tourists in Turkey period, yeah. All those attacks took their toll.
Rebels are launching a Latakia offensive. There is a possibility this could be a big one. They believe the SAA is tied up elsewhere. I think they are going to go hard assuming Ruaf/SAA/Shia back up are too busy in Aleppo.
Since I don't have much else this should be my last post for a few unless sometime major happens
>>30419290
I feel like that is overblown? There was what 3 attacks?
Maybe I'm naive and stupid but I'd still go on a vacation to Turkey, hell I'd love to I'm sure it's beautiful. If I get hit in a bomb blast its close to winning the lottery.
>>30419973
Oh I see someone mention it on reddit. It's TIP leading the way, the Asian jihadists that show skill in their attacks.
>>30419973
I feel like that won't go anywhere. Latakia terrain isnt advantageous for attacking and SAA saturation there is heavy. If there's anywhere that's going to be well protected its alawite heartland. With the Russian base right there it'd be hell from the sky, no offensive would be successful, phyrric at most.
>>30418232
>>30419277
An interesting thought experiment for whenever someone goes on a rant how Israel supports ISIS/whatever is ask the person how they would feel if Israel went full Gaza on ISIS (even though they share no borders). I guarantee the answer would be "muh innocents" and "disproportionate force", ignoring the bloodlust they were demanding towards ISIS. The moment Israel gets involved versus ISIS, the US led coalition collapses and Hezbollah "the only force fighting ISIS for the world" will turn their guns. Everyone will become fully hostile to the Kurds, as the Kurds are very open for their support for Israel, and the West will be blamed for backing "Zionist Kurds and Occupiers of Arab Land". Enemy of my enemy is my friend does not apply to Arabs, unfortunately. Its for the best that Israel stay out of this war,even if Arabs keep buying the meme that "Israel did ISIS".
Some people just hate Israel no matter what so it isn't a question of corrective politics on what role Israel should take, but deeply embedded ideology wherein Israel is the root of all evil.
Hi guys
What if the Tabqa race was just a hoax to bind ISIS forces and stopping them to overrun the YPG at Manbij and the retreat was all planned to rush to aleppo (Handarath/Mallah) while FSA/Nusra where sending most of their soldiers to (at least, less important) south Aleppo and "wasting" them - i mean, the average syrian general gives no shit about a K/D rate of 1:4 (shia:sunni-jihadis) of their dead shia militias from iraq but they at least weaken the jihadis, so mission accomplished:
ALEPPO SURROUNDED WHEN
>inb4 i dont really believe it, but hell, why cant the SAA into mastermind strategy?!
>>30420042
Recently TIP/Jund were able to capture a few villages in Al Ghab that were never taken back by the SAA because they blew the only bridge in the area that could reinforce the villages.
If they planned this out like they did their last one I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss them. It also depends on who else is joining them.
>>30420062
Because the SAA is a totally spent and fundamentally broken force by now. No amount of Russian/Iranian support, T-90's, MLRS and air support can fix what is utterly broken. The Regime has lost all credibility in Rebel areas and their army has been eroding from the inside for the past 5 years. The only ones still fighting hard for Assad are Iranian backed PMUs and Assad's Alawite minority. There is no functional SAA, there are various Assad loyal factions with lots of Russian arms and Hezbollah like militias. There is no unified command, and sectarian forces have very little desire to hold land taken from ISIS, so they bail rather than fight to protect a population they see as hostile. All Assad can do is hold his core areas and bomb the shit out of whoever is weakest. Emptying towns and leveling them is the only way for Assad to make progress outside of loyalist areas. There is no victory for liberating Syria, only for Assad.
>>30412406
this site looks very trustworthy, soon we'll start taking stormfront posts as evidence.
>>30419973
>There is a possibility this could be a big one
TIP already claims to be advancing, JAN has announced a offensive, Islamic front and Ahrar al-Sham as well. Tis a shitstorm b a brewin
I'll check up on it later, sadly it's my thread quitting time.
>>30420062
>Implying Assad has any strategy other than to bleed his enemies out until another set of negotiations can begin and or the US has a new president who will stop pressuring him to abdicate.
Assad puts poorly trained conscripts in tactically worthless positions, leaves tons of the latest Russian/Iranian hardware with them to compensate with no training, and does very little aerial recon/ humintel on ISIS (that he saves for probing Rebel areas).Then Assadboos wonder with wide open amazement when a dozen ISIS/Rebels rout them and capture tons of weapons, ATGMs and T-90s intact. And vatniks will cry "US is arming ISIS" when its the latest and best Russian gear falling into the hands of the insurgents. It does not give one much confidence in Loyalist capabilities to fight ISIS when this is a regular occurrence with almost zero self correction.
Ironically, the pathetic Iraqi Army is doing incredibly well and are on a victory streak. ISIS is contained, demoralized, and as soon as they attempt to counterattack, the US has an A-10 dumping 30mm depleted uranium farts. And the Iraqis are motivated like hell to avenge their fallen - even the Sunnis! Where is that national pride and sense of unity in Syria? Oh thats right, Syria is a broken state in the MIDDLE OF A GODDAMN CIVIL WAR. Thats why the Regime isn't making progress, and thats why they have no urgency to unite the nation. Its all broken beyond repair.
>>30420185
>soon we'll start taking stormfront posts as evidence.
4chan already does this, the danker the meme the more truthful stormfaggotry appears.
>>30408884
>So what were you saying post Palmyra back then if you so angry about the speculated Deir push that never happened?
I was saying I expect Qataryn and then to expand to the north in east Homs.
The second the Russians slowed down their air campaign right before Palmyra was a captured, I knew the SAA would be pretty stagnant.
Russia wants a peace treaty. They don't want a complete SAA victory because then Hillary/Turkey/Gulf States would intervene.
>>30418510
They are Arabs.
Oh wait... Not really anymore.
>>30418960
Or they could have destroyed one and a new one was acquired.
>>30420171
Lots of unsubstantiated claims and exaggerations in this post. Totally trustworthy.
>>30420314
>Ironically, the pathetic Iraqi Army is doing incredibly well and are on a victory streak.
Let's just ignore the full backing of a coalition of 40 nations and 200 airplanes for the last 2.5 years.
>>30420419
Your stubborn refusal to acknowledge reality is all that buying Regime/Vatnik propaganda will get you. In the short term, Assad is winning in small inconsequential battles; in the long term he has already lost. Russia and Iran are pumping resources, air support and troops in and they STILL can't sustain a drive across open desert (there was no "sandstorm"). Palmyra is a good example - it was a pure propaganda victory that failed to take advantage of the momentum they had going. ISIS was on the run and they could have chased them straight to Deiz. But they didn't - Russia flew in an orchestra and assadboos came their pants collectively when the town had very little strategic importance to ISIS. US backed factions with pickup trucks are heading right for the vitals of ISIS territory, while Assad can't even push a few dozen km in the desert with a gorrillion T-90s and Hinds without getting chopped the fuck up by TOWs/MANPADS. This is just my observation - the Kurds and Iraqi army are doing far more versus ISIS with far less hardware than what Russia/Iran is giving Assad and still failing. Think about that.
But thats not my bigger point. There is no going back to the way things were before the rebellion, yet assadboos circlejerk every minor victory and shut out the big picture where the truth is there is nothing left of a unified Syria. There is no progress. Assad needs to do something to change in momentum like win the rebels over so he can fight ISIS as a unified Syrian nation. But he has absolutely no credibility with most of his population. Not that this matters, you will just call me a Wahhabi and go about your circlejerk over your god emperors fallen kingdom depopulating villages and bombing civilians.
>>30420419
Care to back up your claims?
>>30420433
Glad you noticed that the US's strategy is somehow working. Even though the Shia majority Hashd claims all the valor and categorically refuses to cooperate with the US in any capacity - severely limiting what the US can do - the US backed Iraqi army and Peshmerga have momentum and the support of the people they are liberating. Can you say the same for the SAA (or realistically, Hezbollah) when it recaptures former Rebel turf?
Russia and Iran have been backing Assad for a lot longer, and Syria wasn't neutered like Iraq was when it came to armored and aerial assets. Syria has thousands of tanks and the backing of nations who don't give two fucks about collateral damage, yet the SAA still can barely advance and blames losses on the weather or ridiculous shit.
>>30398175
what syrian troops who are in kurdish territory do and how many of them are there , can they be used to liberate deir e zor from kurdish territory since kurds are pretty close to it?
>>30420657
talking about areas around quamishli and al hasakaf who are under syrian goverment control
>>30412126
When did the cholas move to Syria
>>30412044
its funny, it's like when a girl hates your guts, but a few slick words later you are in her guts.
>>30420641
>Glad you noticed that the US's strategy is somehow working
Yeah. Who would've guessed 2+ years of constant bombing against third world farmers would slowly win?
>Russia and Iran have been backing Assad for a lot longer,
They have? What does "backing" imply? Iran only showed up in 2014. Russia in October 2015.
>and Syria wasn't neutered like Iraq was when it came to armored and aerial assets.
Iraq had thousands of M-1's, tens of thousands of humvees, 8 years of US training, US intelligence, US special forces, drone strikes, and $300 billion in US monetary aid.
>Syria has thousands of tanks and the backing of nations who don't give two fucks about collateral damage,
Had*
Syria is fighting against far more than goat farmers, unlike Iraq.
And the Iranians and Russians care very much about collateral damage. If they didn't you'd have seen carpet bombing of entire cities. The Russians could do that.
>yet the SAA still can barely advance and blames losses on the weather or ridiculous shit.
Barely? They've expanded 25,000 sq miles since September 2015.
And ISIS has pushed even the Kurds and Americans back during sand storms.
None of this means the SAA is doing well. But you acting like Iraq and Syria are in any way, comparable, is simply idiotic.
>>30420314
>30mm depleted uranium farts
>>30420859
BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT
>>30420842
>And the Iranians and Russians care very much about collateral damage
got any source for that? as far as i know and as most media reported, majority of the civilian casualties/collateral damages was their doing
>>30420433
40 nations really doesn't mean much of anything, it's 39 token good lucks, and then the US. But yes US airpower is helping.
>>30420842
>Iran only showed up in 2014
Lmao no, read some more. Late 2012 Iran logistically and with military guidance saved Assad. If it wasnt for Iran beginning high gear in 2012 I'd wager there'd be decent odds Assad may have collapsed entirely.
>>30420842
>Iraq had thousands of M-1's, tens of thousands of humvees, 8 years of US training, US intelligence, US special forces, drone strikes, and $300 billion in US monetary aid.
Iraqis do not have thousands of M-1s, they have a few hundred and the rest of their armored forces are slavshit and shit the Iranians sent to their proxies. I've noticed Iraq makes very little use of massed armor versus ISIS in contrast to Syrian/Russian doctrine. I think this has to do with US armor doctrine which avoids sending armor in places where ATGMs can pick them off with impunity and are vulnerable to close in infantry attacks. ISIS has lots of tanks, but rarely is seen using them outside of Syria - where they have plenty of opportunities to capture new ones. Tanks are harder to steal when the force using them doesn't expend them wastefully like the SAA does constantly.
>>30420968
*not him
Thats the difference between "secondery consideration - mission comes first" and "don't care at all - might as well just nuke the 1 guy, that's the only way to be sure".
>>30421103
Cont: Iranian involvement in Syria has gone on since the 80s but that's a whole nother big post.
I believe it was in 2013, Liwa Al Dawoud (a rebel group who notably had a bunch of tanks and ended up being absorbed into ISIS) killed an Iranian revolutionary guard advisor and his cadre around Aleppo, it was big news at the time. The footage from the guys phone and camera gave some telling looks into the Syrian Army. The Iranians run the show largely. Syrian soldiers were going to Iranian superiors to ask for leave, not their officers.
Iranian's gave so much hugely needed administrational needs to the regime. The regime just had neopotism with dummies who didnt know how to actually lead and train, the Iranians came in and began running things like they should be ran. Iranian advisors were big in creating and setting up the NDF troops and concept of it.
>>30421103
Active Iranian military units only arrived in 2014.
Unofficial militias don't count.
>>30421215
Yes I'm sure the public info is correct :^) Iranians were there from practically the get go. They want to keep their involvement on the down low, of course you don't know about it. Iranians take opsec decently seriously, at least the revolutionary guards. The terms official and unofficial is meaningless. And it's an objective fact Iranian revolutionary guards were in Syria in 2013, I assume obviously they were there from 2012 but that instance of 2013 is the first noteable dead one with paperwork and footage to go along with him.
>>30421165
>no they didn't have thousands, they had 900
Go fuck yourself. They officially have 900. That doesn't include the ones blown up over the last few years.
>Tanks are harder to steal when the force using them doesn't expend them wastefully like the SAA does constantly.
>waste them
Your whole post is trashed because you can't keep your political bias out of your "analysis".
>>30421068
6 nations have more than 10 bombers in operation there. America has only done 70% of the bombing.
Don't try diminishing just how much more powerful the Coalition's airpower is in comparison to the 60 or so Russian planes/helis.
>>30421236
Nerd stop being aggressive and actually try to address with counter arguments. And yea the SAA use of their tanks is pretty clearly flawed in some way.
>>30421215
By that metric, rebels have achieve everything on their own.
>>30421230
Gonna need some sources for active Iranian military units involved before 2014.
Retards think Hezz = Iranian military
>>30421248
Got a source for 70%? Not saying you're wrong but I swear I read something like 90% before
>>30421262
Google what Ive already said, I'm at work on my phone. "Iranian revolutionary guard killed in Syria, footage, 2013", some combination of keywords.
I'm actually kind of stunned you're trying to argue the opposite, I thought Iran saved Assad was pretty common knowledge.
Where do you queerboys get the hottest new images anymore after militaryphotos went down? I really miss that site.
>>30420549
>assadaboos
>vatnik
I highly doubt you have anything but a bias opinion on the subject, so your opinion is rather of low credibility. The fact stands that Assad still holds a majority of every major city, even outside of the Alawite lands. Where are the Shia populations in places like Deiz, Hasakah, Damascus, and Allepo? Protip, there aren't much, yet Assad holds a majority of those cities. I dunno why you're so stupid, maybe you are some butthurt Sunni
>>30421394
Assad started with a large army that was centered around loyalty for last 50 years and secret police and regular police. The fact that he lost anything is a sign of just how much people wanted him gone.
>>30421262
>>30421215
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI_88ChjQtU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIbIYtIiS4Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXNeFEuv5QQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbgLTPjAf_A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uleP0VDhI30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy9gDmZY-ug
>>30420657
They mostly are keep in reserve, do the security and policing of the areas still under the government, and are used as reinforcements for the forces keeping Deir ez zor.
Dunno what their real numbers, but from time to time, Ivan reports a new batch of NDF or SAA graduates, that generally vary from 250 to 400 members, reported. He posted some photos of the new SAA graduates training armored warfare in the Hassakah army base, some months ago.
I doubt that they could realistically stage a ground operation to relief Deirz, starting from the little territory they still hold on Hassakah; the quality, numbers, organization and equipent of their troops there are probably not that good. They would also need to do some good deal with the YPG/SDF to pass through their area and use it as jumpboard for a "large scale" operation. A combined operation (SAA enters with armored and air support, and the YPG with infantry) is not unimaginable, but very difficult to happen, as both sides doesnt seem to prone to cooperate in this kind of degree.
It's preferable for the SAA to still keep it just for recruiting and training new NDF/SAA reinforcements for Deir ez Zor, its the only thing they can really do.
HAPPENING GUYS
NUSRA & FRIENDS STARTED LARGE SCALE OFFENSIVE IN NORTHERN LATAKIA. MANY VILLAGES/TOWNS CAPTURED
its fucking over, i dont want to be pro assad anymore, SAA sucks fucking ass
>>30421262
> Hezz = Iranian military
Might as well be.
I see Hezz as autonomous drone operated by Iran: it does it's own stuff, engage it's own targets, but always follow the goals their owners programmed them with, as well as relying on said masters for maintenence.
Hey guys I'm attached to one of the SF ODA's closest to the current biggest battle in Afghanistan right now.
Here's a rundown of a developing situation
>350+ IS have pushed into Kot
>700 ANA went down there to try to push IS back / hault them
>ANA forces got rekt hard, left 4 COPs along the highway they used to get down there to hold some of what they gained
>IS pushed up ahead and took 3/4 of the COPs
>SF ODAs, ANA, UAVs, Apaches, Bombing missions are all being drawn out right now
Tomorrow I should be getting a live feed from the fight from a UAV directly overhead
>>30421519
Again, I think you might be retarded or a legit butthurt Sunni. Radical Islamist have always been starting trouble in Syria. Good way of deflecting what I said to fit your bias views, you never even touched upon anything I said. Goes to show how worthless your opinion is.
>>30421618
SF for special forces, but ODA? And that's pretty neat if you're telling the truth.
>>30421547
Note the head advisor in that said he'd been there for a year and a half already, meaning mid 2012.
>>30421646
ODA is a team of about 15 SF guys, I won't reveal which ODAs I'm working with but shit's pretty cash. Shot a minigun the other day, and I got a video of it.
>>30421667
What exactly do you do there?
>>30421680
I'm infantry
>>30421685
Neat. /k/'s got its own eyes on the ground.
>>30421701
Last time the ODA went there they killed 28 people and wounded about 36 more. That was with 340 mortar rounds. In one day. They had fucking connex-size storages of mortar rounds full and left with none.
>>30421724
Purely with mortars? What caliber? How many firing?
>>30421746
I'm not too sure but definitely nothing like 120's. And They only get Bravos attached to them so they supplied their own tubes. How many I do not know because this was with the 10th mtn group that was there before us. They painted their EKIA and EWIA count in tally marks on the fucking gym lol
>Bomb and massacre your people for years doing exactly what your father did in the 1970's
>Recapture depopulated ruins while major pockets of insurgency remain near every major urban center.
>Requires massive aid and foreign sectarian manpower to marginally turn back tide after 5 years of constant war
>Creates massive refugee and humanitarian crisis fucking Europe over
>Reign as the self appointed savior of the Syrian people, of which a vast number hates his guts
>Regime change supporters are snidely told to suck it up because "muh Jihadists, muh secularlism"
>Enforces a blanket "Assad or IS" loyalty test to justify continued repression of ALL groups opposed to the Regime without putting priority on fighting IS.
>Lack of an alternative empowers IS and AQ and redirects attention away from Assad's deliberate repression of moderate alternative from the very beginning of the civil war.
>>30421567
>>30421618
>2 happenings at once
meh i doubt
>>30421627
Sorry but not the same guy. Although he did have a point. Syria didn't have a problem with radicals, well excluding those Assad allowed to operate in eastern Syria and hit US troops, which were limited in both their staying power and the ability to penetrated the social and economic fiber of even the eastern Syrian society. Among all Islamist political groups only Muslim Brotherhood has a developed political wing, there are other groups with developed political systems but they operate in Pakistan, in ME there is only MB. All others are military organizations, based solely on force and can exist only in a war or war like state. They grow and expand only in war. In Syria MB was defeated, Hafez killed or exiled majority of them. The weakness of political Islamists was shown by the fact that MB, which has spearheaded Islamists in Tunis, Libya, Egypt has been inconsequential in Syria from the start. Their large exiled political population has allowed them to dominate SNC in Istanbul. On the ground no political Islamists were empowered until the war started, when Al Qaida an company arrived and started kicking ass and taking names. The rebellion against Assad was a peoples rebellion and like all rebellions lead by people which turn into war, the people were slaughtered by the state apparatus, be it army, secret police or regular police. Even the army deserters lacked the organizational structures to create effective resistance. Al Qaeda and company didn't, they had experience, develop organization and military capability. Their arrival prevented Assad from exploiting his main advantage, that of being the one with organized system. If there was no peoples rebellion Al Qaeda and company would never have been able to penetrate and establish themselves. And the rebellion certainly wasn't lead by political Islamists because so far we have only seen political Islamists in Syria rise on the back of military success of their organizations.
>>30422121
Wow.... you typed all that.... just to look even more retarded and show how ignorant you actually are. When MB had their rebellion, they didn't receive the amount of support groups like Nursa are right now.
Now lets consider the following, because obviously you've drunk too much kool aid and think "Uzbeks and Chechens" are the "people of Syria".
1. Past "Rebellions" in Syria, didn't have major backing by nearly ever Gulf State, Turkey, and the Strongest Military power in the world
2. You say if it wasn't a "peoples" rebellion, AQ (Nursa) wouldn't have succeeded as much as they have, which is pure ignorance. AQ has had people come from all over the world to fight for them. They, by proxy of "moderate rebel" groups, have received military hardware WAY past the levels the Syrian government has, such as TOWs. The SAA never received advanced hardware till the coming of Russia, and even then, it wasn't on the level of US hardware.
3. The "Rebels" are only surviving and making any offenses of the border areas. "b-but my north hama!!!!" that area is contained and is never, NEVER going to get any bigger. The reason ANY "rebel" jihadis can make any push is due to the importation of people from Chechya, Uzbeks, ETC. If it was a supposed "peoples" revolution, ghoutas, hama, and other places would have active fronts.
Again kys
>>30421812
>vast number hate his guts
Almost had me there. Even when the war first started and it was a "democratic" revolution, A majority of the population and major population centers stayed under Government control.
nice meme tho
>>30420060
You used Isreal way too many times for me to not think you're JIDF.
So fuck off.
>>30422427
Hama 1982 is a different animal to 2011 Arab spring. Regime in '82 was able to localize it to just a city (mostly), 2011 was wildfire across the country. Now you'll say muh outsider influence, I say mass populous uprising. It was too big to contain cause there was too much of tu country supporting the rebellion. Which in turn spiraled into other things and paths.
>>30420060
>le false analogy
Good try there, trying to do the whole "compare apple and oranges". Also like your whole "I CAN PREDICT THE FUTURE OF THIS WHAT IF SCENARIO!!!!!!"
try harder next time
>>30422507
If it's the opposite, vast numbers supporting him, why is taking back Syria such a brutally slow struggle? Inb4 outsiders. Thats like saying you can win a war with just air support no ground troops.
>>30422582
Again, you must have brain parasites, if you are "le same person I respond to XD", you brought up Hama first.
Second, there is no "you say patato, I say patato" bs here. If it was "le popular uprising" then there would be no need for outside interference, YET the Saudis, Turks, and many other countries had been helping "Moderate rebels" since day one, while Russia didn't pop in till a couple of months ago.
Again, your ignorance is outstanding, cognitive dissonance
>>30422615
WOW, are you retarded? It is a brutal struggle because
1. The government has to fight on 2 fronts, while the "Rebels" basically only fought the government, while at the same time recieving arms and training from one of the richest countries in the world, and the TOP MILITARY POWER IN THE WORLD, and ISIS, until the Kurds received US help, basically where fighting a enemy that was 3 years into a "civil war".
2. ITS 5 YEARS INTO THE WAR, the people pool is small. People are leaving the country, or dying. The Syrian people can only supply so many troops, and the people are tired.
I swear, its like you have no common sense. Im talking to children
>>30422714
>Im talking to children
Then leave them kids alone
>>30399038
Kadyrov claims he has men infiltrated in ISIS and sabotaging them from within. But then again, it's Kadyrov...
>>30399006
Post-Second War most of the guys have either already died, or joined the new regime. For some time now, the "Next Gen" seems to be constantly on the butt-end of some SF operation.
>>30422714
If Assad had the support of his people there would be no need for Iranian and Russian direct involvement to save his ass. Turks, Saudis haven't been forced to send their soldiers to fight Assad, yet rebels don't seem to be runing out of men. Fuck I don't think rebels got any heavy equipment, every tanks they have they captured from the SAA. Shit they didn't even get significant number of MANPADS, even atgm supply is limited. They got few 40 year old towed mlrs systems. For a regime loved by the people Assad sure does have to really on a lot of foreign soldiers and on a lot of foreign guns. Iran has been arming SAA from before 2012, Russian too. Iranians have been present from the start, certainly in advisory role, they were so well integrated that they were able to take over pretty much everything by 2013, with the establishment of NDF. Or do you think that SAA didn't receive a single gun from Russia until last year. You suffer from some serious cognitive dissonance is you think that SAA proudly stood alone for years. They are and have been dependent on foreign support as much if not more then the rebels.
If the rebels "backers" got as involved as regime backers you would have to scraper Assad of the walls of his "home".
>>30422974
A lot of news come from Russian sources, so of course they never lose anyone. That being said, the Chechen's simply don't have access to weapons needed to fight a "war" so they don't. Plus Kremlin has given Kadyrov unlimited budget to buy people loyalty. Look at the pictures of Grozny, the place looks better than most Russian cities.
>>30399953
>there were reports that FSB was helping them leave Chechnya for Syria.
This has to be one of the stupidest things I've read in a while. Don't you have shame, anon.
>>30423030
http://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/russia-militants/
Like I said reports. But I don't see why it would be strange. You think German, French agencies didn't know there were thousands of jihadists leaving their countries.
>>30423016
In most cases it is dudes who are barely prepared for basic criminal activity, against organised troops with bigger bang than your average Army unit. Of course the federals win.
>>30423097
This article honestly sounds more like an effort to set up the Russians. So, the FSB knows where the Wahabists are (called "Russian" the whole time), and decides to offer them a deal, instead of wiping them out? And not only that... That chick sure smokes some good stuff.
>>30423232
God knows how much they know or how much direct contact there is. At the end of the day, its far cheaper and less risky to buy someone a plane ticket than it is to send people to kill them. Everyone does it. The Turks probably arrested more people for trying to join ISIS than all the Euros combined. I know that no Balkan country has arrested anyone for trying to leave, but have detain everyone coming back. If they came back for their families to take them to Syria there were placed under "surveillance" up to the point that they left the country. The Saudis and company have been doing it for decades, find jihadi Ahmed, buy him a ticket to closes infidel and sayonara. The Saudis know that the jihadists they are sending out would love nothing more than to put every Sauds head on a pike but few of them survive to become a direct threat to monarchy, but if they tried to keep them in they would have been overthrown decades ago.
>>30422989
Holy shit, why do you continue this, you're just making yourself look stupid.
1. "le every heavy equipment is from the SAA" no, just stop. When this first started, some of the army deserted and changed sides, and with them they took their heavy equipment.
2. "b-but the manpad small number!!!!!" no, really, your making yourself look even more stupid. The amount the US supplied where limited, but the Saudis have been buying directly from the US, and have in turn been gifting them to the "Rebels" as well as other supplies. If you weren't retarded you would know this.
3. Russia didn't get directly involved until recently, while the US has been supplying WEAPONS and TRAINING since day one. You are retarded. To top it off, before the last couple of months, what the rebels where being given have a VAST technological difference than what the SAA have.
3. "for a regime loved by its people" LMAO. For a "movement" ran by the populace, they really need those CHECHENS and other jihadis to come help. THE FOREIGN JIHADS BEEN THERE SINCE THE START, THE SHIA MILITIAS ARE MORE RECENT.
Again, I swear you are literally retarded. "if not more foreign support" Yeah yeah yeah lol, getting help from the RICHEST oil country in the world, and the STRONGEST military power in the world is so equal to getting help from a sanctioned Iran and Russia.
its like im talking to children
>>30423339
just the way you type (regardless of content) is 9/10 troll, it actually rustles me.
>>30423425
>tries to make a argument
>gets btfo
>lmao ur a troll
Good job, can't even touch upon the content. Way to show you don't know what you're spewing.
