Assuming we ever develop synthetic muscle that can respond with force and efficiency that puts drive shaft based locomotion to shame.
Would the new land based weapons rely on artificial legs, like a gekko.
Or something more like a snake with no single complex joint, just a mass of syth-muscle?
>>30392475
Wheels and treads will be better at literally everything so long as real world physics apply. The only use for synthetic muscle will be prosthesis
>>30392484
Wheeled vehicles can't enter and clear a building.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf7IEVTDjng
>>30392747
>the derpasarous with the huge googly eyes
Fucking hell
>>30392747
Just replace its squeezer with a human shaped hand, and a makarov, and you're golden.
>>30392747
>senpai my hips are moving on its own!
>>30392747
Now all we need are some tactical banana peels to keep them at bay
>>30392475
It's not about locomotion anon, it's about power.
We don't have the means to generate or at least store the power needed to create the locomotion. That's why Boston Dynamic's walking rover dog thing got canned.
If a free energy source like a Iron Man arc reactor suddenly existed we'd have prototype exo suits in literally months. Within a year we'd be retooling all military vehicles. Synthetic muscle fiber be damned, we'll use whatever is the most effective.
>>30392475
I don't know but the possibilities intrigue/terrify me
>>30395007
!!!Big Waifu!!! I honestly don't know how I feel about this. Centaurs don't do it for me, but 3D combat utility waifus totally do.
>>30392747
That is fucking terrifying.
>>30393808
Donno why nobody uses petrol or diesel and have hydraulics instead of electronics
>>30397755
>dieselpunk power armor
yes please
>>30392747
they can enter fine. They can't easily climb stairs. Make a wheeled robot the size of those robots, not the size of a jeep, and it'll enter fine.
>>30397735
Ponyfag gtfo
>>30397755
Weight and cost famalam, a battery is cheaper and lighter and can be used indoors without exposure to Co and diesel particulates. No risk of hydraulic leaks, hydraulics are heavier too.
>>30392475
No, we'll make amazing engines out synth muscle instead, and use those to make superior vehicles that will blow your shitty snakes and legs out of the water.
>>30398005
synth muscle piston engine when
>>30392475
The method of locomotion used by snakes and worms is really not that efficient and the only real advantage is that it can coil around things and climb poles that way. A set of arms to go with the legs usually renders that a moot point.
>>30398005
>we'll develop a way to convert energy into force almost directly, then use it in a really roundabout way to generate force
There's a reason why your classmates called you retarded, Timmy.
>>30398079
Top kek. Every mecha thread someone brings up artificial muscles. Congratulations, you are that idiot!
>>30398125
OP appears to be asking the question in the context of autonomous drones and not vehicles, but do solve this problem first, alright?
>dat image
I was actually confused for a moment before looking at the scale, but aren't you posting an image that states that humans with legs are more energy efficient than everything except bicycles?
>>30398150
I forgot the problem apparently.
Big giant walking mechs are big giant targets. Armor tactics emphasize use of terrain and firing from in defilade. Powered armor/mobile infantry would be the way to go, if power was available.
>>30398150
I suggest you read OP again and read between the lines.
>Would the new land based weapons rely on artificial legs
The answer being these new land based weapons will rely on tracks.
>dat image
Yes, the image is accurate, now guess what cycles are powered by.
>>30398079
No, it's fucking advantage is you don't get stuck in narrow tunnels.
>>30392747
I want one. This looks like the ultimate pet.
>>30392747
Messed up the design, I think. They shouldn't have the grabber look like a head, make it look weird as hell when it puts it out on the arm, making people freak out. They should have the head about where a dog's head would be, with some sort of sensor package or something, then have the arm look like it's not a part of the main body so people instead think "Oh, the robot dog has a robot arm! That's cute." thus empathizing with the dog more.
>>30399347
How about a prehensile tail?
>>30392475
I've seen the machine on the right before... many times
>>30392475
We'd develop engines that are driven by synthmuscle contracting and flexing instead of cylinders going up and down to drive a crankshaft. But I could see a few gecko like creations, they'd be great for construction if given synthmuscle arms.
>>30398125
bicycle a best
>>30392475
Legs are physically, inherently more efficient than snake style winding at high speeds.
At low speeds, ofc, snakes are probably better for 3d motion in rubble, up power-line poles for sniping, etc.
>>30399398
Usually several seconds before being bisected by a space katana.
But don't EVEN get me started on the goddamn shockwave stomps...
>synthetic muscle
Pic related
>>30392475
Metal Gear?
>>30392475
I cannot fucking wait for elective surgery for efficent synthetic muscle, too bad we'll all be long dead or warfare will have completely changed by then.
>>30392747
Sure they can. Just get a bomb robot and duct tape a machine gun on it.
>>30397749
Holy shit what THE FUCK is that?
>>30402874
War... war never changes.
>>30403493
War, war has changed.
You know all the akas: Hamburger. Spam in a can. Infantry's just another word for cannon fodder where you come from: the important battles are all fought in the wires anyway these days, and they're over in nanoseconds. The last thing you want is to end up in some godforsaken shithole where meat still matters, where you've got to splice yourself into a clanking armored exoskeleton just to keep from getting squashed the moment your boots hit the ground.
>the eternal power problem
Aluminum air and lithium-air batteries are both past the prototype stage and have 5x the density of regular lithium-ion.
On the hydrocarbon front, Liquid Piston flipped a Wankel engine inside-out and is putting out kilowatts with an engine that can fit in your hand.
>>30392747
Wait, banana peels actually make you slip?
I thought just an old joke with basis in reality.
>>30403560
Yes, they're quite slippery. Although, IIRC, at one point they were a polite euphemism for horse-shit back in the 1920s when horses were still on city streets.
>>30403571
>Yes, they're quite slippery.
Would it be a bad idea to microwave a banana peel and then jerk off with it?
>>30392747
Just jdam it
>>30392484
uhm, anon, if you break a thread or enough wheels, the vehicles tops.
Something made with artificial muscles might be INCREDIBLY more resilient to mobility damage. But it'd be so far in the future I can't really make any predictions.
Though walkers, if made in such a way, would make sense.
>>30392475
If artificial muscles could work like your pic related (and I think one day they certainly will) then maybe if might make since to have AFVs that walked on any number of legs rather than using traditional ICEs of electric motors. That said engine technology and electric motors will only continue to improve, so for heavy vehicles which need good weight distribution it wouldn't make sense to put them on legs.
Also geckos armed with ATGMs would be fucking terrifying.
>>30403591
Only one way to find out. Godspeed, anon.
>>30403357
The doom of all mankind.
>>30403846
Muh dick be too thick. Keeps splitting the peel.
Damn good though. You ought to try it.
>>30400154
What game in the pic fampai?
>>30392475
What the fuck is that piece of shit on the right? It doesn't even have a weapon system
>>30404218
Warframe. It's a game about grinding.
>>30404246
>weapon system
that design is from metal gear rising you fucking inbred
>>30404280
Grinding, anger at robo-ostriches, crying over the RNG, and praying the devs add a decent weapon one of these days that doesn't need nitian.
>>30403691
uhm, anon, if you break a joint or enough "tendons" or "bones", the vehicles stops.
>>30392747
Fucking kek
The banana killed me
>>30404280
>>30404990
I don't mind the grind, it's fun to play and it's a more proactive grinding, going after the resources or blueprints you want, and even if you're not getting what you want exactly you're getting a bunch of good stuff along the way, and the gameplay is really fun and varied.
>>30404427
>metal gear rising
>Not 4
It appears the nanomachines have devoured your brain Senator, resulting in defective recollection.
>>30392475
That snake is adorable, I want one.
/k/ Robot Industries when?
>>30404218
Farming simulator 2016
>>30400795
Seems pneumatic, could be changed to hydraulic if we are to find a material like rubber that can withstand the enormous pressure they must be pun on in order to make a function machine.
The funny thing is that Greeks believed that our muscles were pneumatic in mature
>>30404131
try duct tapping the peel after microwave
>>30397749
CONTROLLING CROWDS INTENSIFIES
>>30392747
I don't want to live in this world anymore.
>>30404246
They have tank armor and can run and jump like a giant pair of legs on steroids, which they are. Since they hunt in packs even if they face up against AT there is generally enough of them to take it out before their pack takes too many losses. They don't really /need/ guns since they can just stab infantry with a robot tongue or stamp on infantry, but you can outfit them with two externally mounted fiddy cal MGs or whatever. Also they moo, but it is a very scary moo and that can help demoralize the enemy.
>>30412962
I can agree on the mooing even though I grew up around cattle hearing a Moo in the distance of an quiet Arab town after a large firefight and seeing things close in from large leaps in a distance and the mooing getting louder started to make nervous as fuck as It didn't seem right. Was made worse by seeing their legs move the way they do after stomping on 3 hadjis and then shooting some while others picked them up and threw them down.
All
While
Mooing
>Mooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
>>30415718
What's worse, Gekko moo, or Reaper horn?
>>30412962
so basically, a tank with higher silhouette and without it's main weapon system.
is this thing for riot suppression or something?
>>30415828
Urban combat is what they get used for in the games, and they're almost always accompanied by a few squads of infantry. Kind of like a humvee that can fit places that a humvee can't. Plus they jump good.
>>30397970
One AA battery being cheaper and lighter than a 7.3 Liter Ford Powerstroke has literally no bearing on a fuckhuge Li-Ion batter and a small diesel motor you dumb ass nigger
>>30408243
[DE]Steve pls go
>>30399398
Nahh senpai you need the pre-update 10 moas with them legs for dayzzz. still kinda bummed they took them out.
>>30403520
>where you've got to splice yourself into a clanking armored exoskeleton just to keep from getting squashed the moment your boots hit the ground.
Christ, youre making me hard.
>>30397749
source?
>>30395007
The future is a strange place.
>>30418387
>>30395007
fucking weebs
>take random subject
>integrate underage girls
>masturbate
>>30392484
>Wheels and treads will be better at literally everything
Minus cross country capabilities.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scpo1Ze7nsA
>"""superior""" threads got stuck
>man walks over ridge not even paying attention that is the """obstacle"""
>>30397755
>Donno why nobody uses petrol or diesel and have hydraulics instead of electronics
Big Dog literally uses diesel. As for hydraulics it probably give better controll and hydraulics don't need brakes, valves are brakes. Electric actuators need dedicated brakes to stand still without spending energy. SpotMini is full electric.
牛だろ鳴き声をよく聞け
>>30399347
>calls messed up design
>yeah make it look weird as hell 2 freak out ppl lol
>>30405066
Only because pain forces us to stop. Even with a fractured leg or pulled tendon the leg could still move and function. Likely would further the damage caused but if you can fix it later and need it now. It is better then having a wheel blown off and the entire vehicle shut down.
>>30397755
We Jin-Roh now
>>30398125
the idea behind planes and vehicles is speed and transport capacity tho, try dragging that new aircraft engine behind your bike
>>30397867
>treads
>can't climb stairs
>can't climb rubble
If only battlefields were always perfectly flat. Urban environments make treads shit. It's where something with legs benefits immensely.
>>30420157
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dluiPYDDbtw
>perfectly flat
>>30420198
wheres the urban you fucktard.
You can see it struggle hard in places. Try doing those turns in a tight environment and that thing would get stuck instantly.
>>30419513
what
>>30418406
Why do the geckos make that fucking sound it's so
fucking stupid
>>30412962
Those thing can tank 4-5 RPGs
but a Javelin will just one shot them
>>30420744
According to the wiki:
>"Gekkos were designed to replicate the sounds of these "peaceful" animals in order to cause enemy soldiers to psychologically lower their guard on the battlefield"
>>30420776
And that's assuming you can hit them in the first place; if they weren't jumping everywhere like kangaroos on crack they'd fuck with the guidance system on the rockets to make them miss.
>>30403357
>>30418372
It's a render.
>>30403357
it would be for the best if you forget this thread ever happened
